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@Endstille said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/869220#Comment_869220
So what happened to the guarantee of yours? All of a sudden no longer mentioning it and ofc you now speak for 99% of the korean server, excuse me, 99+% yeah i totally believe that (NOT). Sorry I have not seen a single freaking person with this amount of arrogance, not a single streamer here would even dare to say such stuff. Imagine coming to a forum stating, yeah i speak for 99+% of server x. 🤣 LuL
Please stop with the stories of your korean streamer, I remember he did an experiment to proof how op nurse was. The funfact was that he only did succeed in it with the most broken addon combinations, not proofing that nurse is broken but delivering proof that the addons were broken which again nurse players agreed upon and thus also welcomed the announced change by bhvr. Funny was also that in the experiment itself, survivors didn't even bring items all the time, a time where instaheals were a thing and all.
Same hilarious stuff that otz claims when he says this swf brought everything at their disposal and you see in the endscreen, a yellow medkit and a yellow toolbox much wow. Kinda strange for people who wanted to v him.
Mind to explain that leatherface yamoaka? Literally have no idea what you talk about.
Character assassination what? Maybe you shouldn't tell obvious lies so we can actually believe you? Sorry i didn't write a story about survivors playing perfect making no mistakes and yet chases end super quick! ez pz 4k. 🤣 Like how did you believe that this story made any sense?
Like try to stick to the truth for once, I literally said the percentages of 4 people not a single was 100% yet you ofc make it to always. See why I do not see you as credible person when you knowingly change statements of me posted a page before of this? When you make claims, stuff that you can not back up in any kind or way.
Like I already said, it has nothing to do with weakness of nurse, it is about fun. I know you love staring at the ground or watching people run away others do not. Maybe change your attitude and not try to throw around your insults about skill instead try to understand what people wrote.
Preach
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@Mr_K said:
Is there a Pretty Good Job category?
XD I mean they're trying, and as a Nurse main I get you... but if they get more cred and awards maybe that means more time for us :D
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@UncannyLuck said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/869049#Comment_869049
That is entirely fair, and has nothing to do with what I wrote.
I am not saying people can't or shouldn't share their personal experiences or give feedback (at least, here). I am saying that there's not much point in having stats if you're just going to ignore them or argue with them if they don't fit what you've experienced.
So arguing with stats that don't fit your personal experience is not feedback then?
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@TheHourMan said:
Can you post a link to where I can vote?
Sure thing @TheHourMan, let me know if this works: https://store.steampowered.com/app/381210/Dead_by_Daylight/ , I added it to the main post as well
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@UncannyLuck said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/869003#Comment_869003
I think it would help if you actually read what I wrote. I'll try to summarize it again for you anyway though:
I don't blame behavior for not releasing stats because people ignore them when they don't fit their expectations, rather than considering that their perspective may have been wrong or adjusting it based on the new evidence.
None of what I said had anything to do with feedback.
Let me try to rephrase, people sharing their personal experience is feedback, whether they are right or wrong is another question.
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@UncannyLuck said:
Honestly this whole thread is why, despite enjoying the stats released by behavior, I don't blame them for not doing it. People will just complain that their stats don't fit their preconceived notions, which are based on personal experience.
Maybe the definition of Feedback will help you understand why people are sharing their own personal experiences:
Feedback
noun [ U ]
information or statements of opinion about something, such as a new product, that can tell you if it is successful or liked:
Have you had any feedback from customers about the new soap?
On top of that developers have said over and over again that they appreciate hearing feedback, whether good or bad so not really sure what your goal is with your comment as each experience is personal.
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@immortalls96 we weren't met by silence today, but the answer wasn't that fun to hear either... basically nothing's gonna happen to her again for a while except for changing the sensitivity for console players
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866488#Comment_866488
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@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/867902#Comment_867902
Plus her kill rate is definitely lower right now because many people who aren't very well-versed in nurse wanted to try out her changes.
I saw many people just fooling around with her new addons, especially the one that makes you an m1 killer after the first blink hit.
It is guaranteed that her kill rate will be higher the next time stats are released.
But as always, nurse mains want it all about them. Demogorgon has a very low kill rate, but literally no one would argue he is in a bad spot. He is a very good killer, and everyone puts him in high B or A tier. Where is the outcry for the demogorgon, nurse mains? By your metrics, he needs help. Oh, he's fine? I guess picking and choosing which stats you want to discuss isn't a very effective way of talking about a killer's strength...
@Omans blames nurses for being selfish when sharing feedback then gives feedback regarding demogorgon... makes sense...
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@Herbal@Herbalyte ether more killers will switch to survivors or drop nurse, if dedicated nurse mains don't find her fun I doubt new players will find her the most fun to get good with... I mean even survivors are saying sorry after they win now because they feel bad for her XD
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@Herbalyte said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/867452#Comment_867452
After playing survivor for only a few weeks I am able to juke spirits and stuff aswell I really have no clue why people are screaming for nerfs so much so that I'm starting ti think this is all a farce just to have killers nerfed.
Yup i swapped to survivor as well and got rank 1 survivor, met 3 nurses and they all got outplayed easy, by running in a straight line... I get why they touched add ons on her but not base kit. Base kit is unfun on PC so I can only imagine what it's like on PS4... but hopefully the stats will speak for themselves....
Reading about what they'll do to Spirit it's way less of a nerf but it looks like Spirit killers will still be able to have fun with her. Wish I could say the same for Nurse.
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@wichael_wyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/107337/the-nurses-stats-prove-that-her-rework-was-bad
I would take a vague stat like this with a semi grain of salt, especially if they didn't show comparisons of Nurse before and after her rework. A lot of people probably play Nurse who are not in red ranks. In other words, they're probably noobs and don't win that often compared to someone who's mained her for awhile and is in purple/red ranks.
It'd be nice if they gave us both general and specific stats. Going against Nurses (which honestly I haven't seen many since) still seem to be the same to me. She's good at what she does depending on the person playing her still.
This isn't to say your thoughts are invalid, because you play Nurse more than I do automatically lol. I know my personal opinion is that she's fine just like she was before the mini rework. Who knows, maybe people don't play her as much because the add-ons are not as OP or she's actually just no fun.
@wichael_wyers I played base kit nurse without add ons, can still 4k but find her unfun after messing up the base kit and have moved on to other fun killers / play survivor instead
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@Herbalyte you can read about what's gonna happen to her on console here: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866488#Comment_866488
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@LetsPlayTogether said:
The stats proof nothing.
- They include console gameplay. (= low kill rate overall, compare to PC only)
- Ex-Nurses are sulky and dont play her anymore. (= low pickrate overall)
- Ex-Nurses werent that skilled at all (= lower kill rates)
- Babynurses/low skilled Nurses decrease her killing rate. (= low kill rate overall)
@LetsPlayTogether Whereas your made up stats make perfect sense lol, nice one. Had you in fact read the feedback, you'd see that we can still 4k and that's not the problem, the problem is she's unfun to play now so I'd rather play other killers.
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Agreed, the base kit needs to be looked over again, so boring to play her now
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866846#Comment_866846
I know. That was my post he commented on lol. This post was in development before that response came in
I know as I was part of that thread XD just wanted to make sure people see that we're not just making it up. I agree with what you've said and hope they will revisit her so she becomes fun again... she is so boring to play now it's such a shame
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@Mister_Holdout said:
I think the devs should revert the base kit changes. The devs could also implement something more appropriate like a longer fatigue or shorter lunge.
Add-on changes can stay, although I think some of them need to be fine tuned some more.
In the future, the devs should focus on reworking maps. Give survivors more LOS breakers, which increases juking potential.
@Mister_Holdout it got confirmed in a Legions thread by devs that they won't make fatigue longer because some people get motion sickness by it :/ I do agree that something should be done to make her more fun again though...
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@PickCollins here's the reply from Peanits https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866488#Comment_866488
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@Venom368 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866610#Comment_866610
Honestly, it will never be fun to play against a good Nurse. Ever. These nerfs have just made it harder to be a good Nurse. Right now, you do what you can to mindgame and juke the Nurse, and pray that they make a mistake. Survivors now just have more time to separate themselves from the Nurse if she messes up.
I've said it during every nerf they've made to the Nurse since release, that she will never be 'balanced' until they change her blink power. Windows, pallets, and mindgames are the 3 things you can use to defend yourself from killers in this game when in a chase. The Nurse negates 2 of those things. You are left with hoping the Nurse doesn't predict you correctly as your only defense. They could increase the blink recharge fatigue to 10 seconds and that would still be your only defense.
Until they add another form of defense or remove her ability to go through things, she won't be fun to play against. I used to only play Nurse for the first several months that I had the game, but I've realized that the game would just be better without her. I want both sides to have fun.
@Venom368 Yeah I got you, what I'm referring to is that others find her boring to play against now as well since she is not much a challenge after the nerf. There are multiple survivor mains like this one for example: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/830387#Comment_830387
I may sound biased as I mained base kit nurse etc but I'm playing mainly survivor this season (rank 1 last season) and find the new nurse boring to play against as well since she's so easy to juke now, it's not much of a mind-game anymore which takes away the fun from her as she used to be a "high skilled killer" (without the broken add ons)
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@Venom368 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/107254/according-to-bhvrs-own-stats
Just a couple of comments based on your questions you listed at the end:
The feedback from the Nurse changes has been overwhelmingly negative from Nurse players. It has been overwhelmingly positive from everybody else. I feel like a killer with the ability to avoid many of the games mechanics, that all other killers have to abide by, should have an extremely high skill ceiling and be punished heavily for mistakes.
If the majority of the community feels that when they play against a killer, they are just going to die no matter what they do, I think that killer should be very punishing to make mistakes with.
The hag is an extremely strong killer. And it's mostly due to her ability to camp. And it has to do with people not liking that playstyle. I think having strong killers for different niches of playstyles is good for the game. I think it's impressive that BHVR has been able to make killers that play much differently that remain pretty balanced with eachother.
@Venom368 There are multiple threads from survivor mains who complain about how unfun she is to play against now as well... not sure what you're basing your comment off of...
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@Mr_K @coppersly @OmegaXII we now have an answer from developers regarding nurse: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866488#Comment_866488
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@PNgamer we've now got an answer from devs regarding nurse: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/866488#Comment_866488
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@Peanits thank you for answering, really appreciate it. DBD is my go to game nowadays and I really love it and invest a lot of time in it and I get that time needs to pass for your data and feedback as well. Hopefully these threads will affect the future of base kit nurse then! :)
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Thanks for getting back @Peanits ! Gotcha so upcoming change for console players, that's nice for them! Does this mean no upcoming changes for PC?
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Hey, @Peanits hope all is well!
With the data released showing how nurse has become one of the least picked killers added with multiple threads explaining how her base kit is unfun, are there any upcoming changes?
Performance and fun are not the same thing in my head, I know that I can still get 4 kills but that doesn't make her fun
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So now that we just confirmed what we already know, are there any plans on changing base kit nurse? Just because she can still perform doesn't make her fun which is why I switched to other killers (not spirit because I dummy consider her fun either).
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@TragicSolitude said:
Playing against her sucks. I get very few chase points because she falls so damn far behind that it doesn't count us as still being in a chase. I shouldn't have to stop and wait for the killer to catch up to get Boldness points.
Agreed, the three times I went up against her in red ranks I just ran away and she never caught up...
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/862488#Comment_862488
Yes, I have read the countless threads complaining that she's not just a win button any more.
Once again, feel like you're missing the point but ok, you do you
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@anarchy753 said:
She's fine with me. I'm a pretty casual Nurse player and still managed to whip out a 4k on blood lodge with brown add ons, including her flannel just to see how it worked.
It was good fun.
At this point it's just people protesting that they DARED touch their overpowered win-stick.
If you read the thread you'd know that's not what we're talking about... we're talking about how the base kit nurse has become unfun to play at red ranks etc. no matter the amount of kills...
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@beatddb said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/860454#Comment_860454
Keep the daily nurse threads going and hopefully they'll come out and say something. I haven't seen a single dev comment on a nurse thread after the nerf, I wonder why is that.
I've seen one comment and that was to use the add on that makes her unable to blink to mind-game survivors... that was like a month ago though... I'm really hoping they jump in on one of these several threads soon
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@TheRoyalOwl said:
Idk, I got a 4k on my first game as nurse ( of the day ) in red ranks. It wasn't fun, but that's just because I really never had fun with nurse's power.
Exactly, she's not fun anymore which is why I stopped playing base kit nurse. I can get 4 kills with lots of killers and would have fun doing so.
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@Mr_K said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/858958#Comment_858958
They changed how her power interacts with the servers in the PTB. Ofc its bugged in the PTB so you can't test it properly.
@coppersly what I'm also disappointed in is how things were communicated as the PTB was all about changing her add ons which everybody agreed with that, there was literally no one complaining about the base kit...
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/851747#Comment_851747
As somebody who plays 50/50, I can tell you Nurse only ends chases as fast as you're implying if she is MILES better than survivors in terms of skill. If she is Miles ahead of survivors in skill. Then no, those survivors should not be escaping, at all. You face down someone leagues better than you, do not expect to win. And if you do expect to win, you are very entitled. As a survivor who also plays a lot of Nurse, I can tell you it is far easier to play against her now than it is to play against any other killer.
One juke against Huntress? Hag? Spirit? Billy? Myers? Plague? They stick on you. One juke against Nurse? Nope. She's peaceing out.
You keep arguing that patience is now the way to play Nurse. That is bad. Base Nurse already required patience. You are patient with ur blinks? You land on the survivor and hit them. You aren't? You miss and go through fatigue. This whole line of "The only problem is how patient a killer has to be while using her" is just a bunch of equivocating bullshit.
You strike me as somebody who doesn't play Nurse, at all. If she's such a great killer still, like you argue she is, why has she just up and Houdini'd her way out of red ranks. She borderline does not exist up here.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/851773#Comment_851773
You strike me as somebody who doesn't understand that a 6 second cooldown to a power, divided into one 2.5 second cooldown and another 3.5 second cooldown, isn't fun or fair. Especially when that power is necessary for basic killer functions. Imagine if Clown or Legion needed to use their powers otherwise they're slower than survivors. Imagine if Huntress moved at 90% MS and needed her hatchets to down survivors. Would you still argue that those killers are still good? I don't think you would. She's out of red ranks where the metaslaves sit. Metaslaves don't main a killer bc they're fun, they main them bc they're good.
And by all means if you think Nurse is still the best killer in the game, please prove me wrong. Post a video of you grinding Nurse to R1 in one sitting. Prove to me that she's still the best. My guess is you'll realize how wrong you are once you leave rank 9.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/850772#Comment_850772
Yeha no. That is just a lie. Unless you had Omegablink or 3/4/5 Blink, you did not steamroll red rank survivors with only 10 hours of practice.
@PickCollins hear hear, I was a nurse main without Omega blink adds etc and found her so unfun that I actually swapped to survivor... Became rank 1 survivor and meet two or three nurses, ask of them I just outran...
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@PickCollins said:
Honestly why are the devs not addressing her. There's wayyyyy too much wrong with her rn.
Agree, I check here on a daily basis to see if there are any news based off the data... I used to main her without add one and judging by the forum I'm not the only one who completely stopped playing her, swapped to survivor or uninstalled... She is so unfun now...
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@Spooky13 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/855735#Comment_855735
Only people playing Nurse now are the die hard Nurse mains. They still want to make Nurse work, and for the most part they do. The changes made Nurse a lot less beginner friendly, even more than she was already, which turned a lot of people who weren't die hard Nurse mains.
@Spooky13 I was a die hard nurse main and played without add ons etc. but the change made her so unfun so swapped to other killers... It's such a shame... Been trying to get developers to leave a comment about the nerf and if they will make any changes based off the data but there's been nothing but silence so far... And yet so many posts from both survivors and killers asking to leave her base kit alone
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P.s I would change to a more confident title of this post as well since you put some thought into this
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@Stealthbomb95 I like the concept and feel like you could play around with the perks more if her backstory is that she got heartbroken. E.g silence could be called suffer in silence, silence could be called isolation and pains power to pain is power or catharsis (as she unleashes her rage)
Maybe she could be able to track tears when survivors are in stage two, so track marks turn into rain instead or something.
Just some thoughts, obviously entirely up to you :)
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@Almo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/849040#Comment_849040
The top mend time with Legion's two addons was ridiculous. So we considered, "What happens if we reduce mend time across the board?" Borrowed Time gets a buff, Legion gets a bit of a nerf, and some other things showed up on the list. We decided it was worthwhile to hit it across the board.
As always, we'll monitor the effect that has on the game, and act accordingly in the future.
Hey @Almo, hope all is well! Will there be any upcoming to changes to the nurse base kit nerf based off of observations? I've switched to survivor and have been against two nurses since last season so far as rank 1, main reason to why is because though still powerful she became unfun to play
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@MightyDwight Yeah I know what you mean lol but I'M STILL HOPING lol
regarding ur math quizz, the odd's are still 4 % aren't they? :D the chance doesn't decrease so for each hook there's a 4 % chance
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@MightyDwight One can hope right? :) at least the data should show a major drop in nurses, hopefully that'll make them realize the add ons were what everyone were whining about and not base kit
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hopefully devs will jump in a thread soon and answer
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mained base kit nurse and she is so unfun now... I stopped playing killer basically and only play survivor now... hopefully devs can reply in one of these multiple threads one day...
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@DevourOfSalt They're having an AMA tomorrow! Join us tomorrow at 11AM ET for an AMA in /r/pcgaming good time to ask!
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@beatddb said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/842426#Comment_842426
How often did you went against a 5 blink addon nurse? Because I dont think it was something common.
She does not function the same anymore, she is 96% ms because she could blink when she wanted too, now you're forced to walk a lot more than before but her speed is the same, slower than a survivor. Seems fine right? And im not the only one saying shes unfun, I've yet to find someone who has had any fun with her.
Hear hear, I was a main nurse and never used the broken add ons... she is so unfun now that I switched to other killers
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@Zoldyar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/104746/the-nurse-is-being-ignored
She wasn't that hard to control when using 5 blinks add on, even if you were new at this game.
How is she unfun and uncomfortable to play as when she still function the same? All you have to do now is be more patient with your blinks if you are always replying on using multiple blinks.
She still function the same as ever, so your reasoning for complaining about her makes no sense. Just because she is hard to use, doesn't mean she is unfun. It means you are just not good at using her unlike other players. Why don't you take your time and properly learn her instead of always wanting to constantly blink all the time?
Why should the nurse be able to move that fast when she is capable of ignoring all defences against suriviors? This isn't a complaint, it is just you wanting her to be like how you want her to play as.
Moreover, why would the devs monitor her still? There's plenty of gameplay out there to show the new nurse is srill capable of easily getting 3k all games if you know how to use her.
@Zoldyar are you a red rank nurse main?
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Agreed, even good survivors support this in threads, they even made the threads themselves
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@Peanits love of my life, are there any thoughts about this that can be shared? Please?