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@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497644#Comment_1497644
No, it was because they moved at 132% movement speed and could vault pallets and windows in 0.9 seconds. The no missed attack penalty and instant rev was just the cherry on top.

Leatherface can't vault pallets and windows, though, and still has that start-up time.

in Bubba is literally old Legion with instadowns. Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497630#Comment_1497630
Were you around when old Legion was a thing? Let me tell you, a Legion in Feral Frenzy was GAURANTEED a hit. Literally GAURANTEED. There was NOTHING you could do to stop him. Moonwalking was just icing on the cake to Frenzy spam. Why do you think Frank’s Mixtape was meta on him?

Yes, I was. The guaranteed hit was due to Legion being able to start up their Feral Frenzy instantly and then swing as much as they wanted until they landed their hit with no worries about missing.

in Bubba is literally old Legion with instadowns. Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497622#Comment_1497622
Old Legion also completely ignored any defenses Survivors had. Bubba with Bamboozle does that ten times over, and instadowns on top of it.

But that wasn't the problem with Old Legion. The problem was that the only way to really do good with him was the moonwalking strat, which had zero counterplay.

in Bubba is literally old Legion with instadowns. Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

I thought the problem with Old Legion was that no cooldown/penalty on swinging + old Deep Wounds + moonwalking to avoid triggering a chase meant that the Killer could just down Survivors with zero counterplay (even if it was inefficient).

in Bubba is literally old Legion with instadowns. Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497319#Comment_1497319
You are not making any sense saying that people are banned for doing officially stated game objective if it takes them too long, where "too long" is an arbitrary undefined number.
And he did literally say that. I'm quoting. "The longest you can stay on a hook is 2 minutes (+34 seconds if you happen to have Camaraderie). Beyond that, nobody is allowed to take the game hostage."
This literally said that anything beyond 2 minutes and 34 seconds is not allowed. Anyway, don't bother replying as there is too much nonsense for me to bother with here. I'm unsubbing from this thread. Have a good day.

If one side is stalling out the game and not actively contributing to bringing the game to an end, they are not doing their objective.

And you are misinterpreting what that quote means. Allow me to quote it in full:

Struggling on the hook is not taking the game hostage. It's only considered to be holding the game hostage when it's indefinite or for an extended period of time. The longest you can stay on the hook is 2 minutes (+34 seconds if you happen to have Camaraderie).

What the above quote is saying is that struggling on the hook is not taking the game hostage because you can only stay on the hook for a small amount of time (2m34s, to be exact); you cannot stay on the hook for a super long period of time. The 2m34s is Peanits saying that that is the longest amount of time you can stay on the hook before you definitely will die (assuming no one saves you), not Peanits saying that that is the longest amount of time you are allowed to hide before it is considered holding the game hostage.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497275#Comment_1497275
I feel you are beyond confused at this point. You are now saying that killer can get banned for doing his objective (defending gens)? LOL :D
People are supposed to look at the timer and count down how long they can defend gens/hide until the possibility of a ban? 2:35 seconds according to that supposedly official screenshot posted earlier. This is getting too bizarre even for my twisted taste :) Okay, I'm done here.
Have a good day.

Both Killer and Survivor can be banned for holding the game hostage. If the Survivors decide they want to go hiding indefinitely instead of doing gens, leaving the Killer to spend ages searching for them and be stuck in the game, that is reportable. If the Killer decides he wants to just stay by a 3-gen and refuse to chase/down Survivors, leaving the Survivors to be unable to approach the gens and be stuck in the game, that is reportable.

I don't understand what you find confusing. I am telling you something that someone actually said they were banned for. Also, Peanits did not say that you might get banned if you wait longer than 2:35. That is just you misreading the post.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@CHED1 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497286#Comment_1497286
Really is a shame that, kinda killed off my enthusiasm for buying rifts anymore. Rip

I am indifferent, personally. I got my elephant headpiece and body piece, and I don't care about the knife. I'm satisfied.

in Mr. Puddles Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@CHED1 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497256#Comment_1497256
Mad, didn’t know this. Kind of a bummer imo for players who grinded hard for skins then, just for them to be available again further down the line. Any ideas on how they will make them available again?

Almost definitely in-store. Whether it is auric cells only or not, I can't really say.

in Mr. Puddles Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497249#Comment_1497249
I don't know how many times I need to explain that hiding is part of gameplay as described on official page. "Holding the game hostage" means that the game cannot possibly end, i.e. the only way to end it is to DC. Show me evidence that anyone was ever banned for hiding "super long". By your logic survivors must voluntarily walk to the killer if they are 3 genned and killer refuses to walk away from 3 gens? Does this make slightest amount of sense to you?

Hiding is allowed according to the rules. No one doing gens for super long periods of time because of hiding is what is not allowed.

I do not have access to the list of people banned, so asking me to provide that is silly. I can't even show you evidence of people being banned for straight-up hacking.

If the Killer makes no effort to look for Survivors and just camps by a 3-gen setup, that Killer can be reported for holding the game hostage. I have seen a thread on here about someone who was complaining about being banned for that exact reason. So no, it doesn't make sense, but not for the reason you think.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497220#Comment_1497220
I already explained: it's not in game and is not on store page. People are not required to search through a million posts forum before engaging in gameplay. There is no arguing against it. Hiding is also described as a way to play in game objectives. There is no time limit mentioned anywhere: https://deadbydaylight.com/en/game#objectives
"To avoid being caught, basic strategies can be used such as crouching behind obstacles, hiding in tall grass, dark corners, or in lockers."

"Holding the game hostage" is listed as an official reportable offense in multiple places. The dev here is officially clarifying that not doing gens and hiding for long periods of time counts as holding the game hostage.

If someone gets banned for such an offense, the argument that "you didn't say that not doing gens and hiding for a super long time is not allowed" will absolutely not fly.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497209#Comment_1497209
It's not an official rule. It's not posted on Steam store page where you buy the game or in game itself? Do you imagine people who buy the game should be required to search through forum with over a million posts before starting the game to make sure they don't break any rules?

It is posted on an official forum by an official employee. It is official. There is no arguing against it.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1497187#Comment_1497187
That message is just a forum reply and is not an official rule. Read what it says and think for yourself: "2 minutes (+34 seconds if you happen to have Camaraderie). Beyond that, nobody is allowed to take the game hostage"
You get banned to not touching gens for 2 minutes and 35 seconds? You really believe that? Have you seen rank 20 survivors?

It is an official rule. There is no arguing against that.

in Taking the game hostage Comment by TAG August 1, 2020

@Chatkovski said:
I have already spoken about this. To summarize, currently: either the notion of hostage taking is not defined correctly and/or it is dishonest, or hostage taking simply does not exist in reality, or it is possible for any survivor to correctly argue that the hostage-taking was never his intention.
Use Whispers, and/or Iron Maiden. Hate the game, not the players.

The definition of hostage taking would be "taking actions that prevent the game from coming to a close and leaving one or more players with no options but to either sit there indefinitely or disconnect from the game." For Killers, it would be body blocking the last Survivor for a long time when the EGC has not started. For Survivors, it would be actively refusing to do gens and hiding from the Killer for a long time."