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Could also be great for flashlight/pallet saves really good idea!
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Pop oppression has been my go to since twins dropped works very well and no need to rely on totem spawns
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The only killer mostly based on sound is spirit and I don’t want another mistake
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Bit late to this but I have to say if you genuinely have a problem with an lgbt character in a game you must have very little things to worry about
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@TheClownIsKing said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976587#Comment_1976587
Clown has way more control over the frequency he can repeatedly inflict Blindness though.
Not gonna say I wouldn’t like it to be longer for Kerosene Can, but I can see how potentially problematic it could be against solos.
Yeah it could be but I think it’s at least worth testing
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@TheClownIsKing said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975828#Comment_1975828
I think the reason their blindness add ons is so short in duration is because of the frequency Victor can be sent out, his aura can’t be read anyway, AND the devs were all too aware of Victors slugging potential right from the get go, and didn’t want to make a snowball like that possible without Third Seal.
Actually that’s a very fair point
Still think clown’s should be 60 since freddy’s is too
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@pseudechis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974961#Comment_1974961
All good points and pehaps there needs to be more of a downside to iri hatchets but none of it is inherently toxic. Which is what the OP was talking about. Even if someone feels iri head is unblanaced its not an excuse to send vitriolic crap to another player post game.
People talk about it like the whole game is ruined because of this one powerful addon, when if play you stealthy then you can largely avoid it. Switch up your tactics against an iri head huntress to avoid the killer rather than loop the killer.
People seem so obsessed with one style of play that anything that has a powerful counter to that one style of play needs to be burned from the game ASAP. Its a kind of infuriatingly narrow view.
Anything powerful seems to get watered down so that people can loop more effectively making the game less varied and more generic with each change.
I don't mind going up against powerful addons because they mix the game up, make it scary and make you really think about how you play survivor. Otherwise its run around the rock 3 times drop pallet rinse and repeat till caught or lost.
Stealth isn’t really a counter tbh but yeah people sending death threats and the likes are just pathetic
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Off topic but should Hag and spirit really be immune to pallet blinds?
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@lagosta said:
Dunno. Just waiting to see how David King will take a beating this time. :D
Can’t wait!
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Yeah I loved blight and elodie but felix and twins aren’t my favourite. Hope the killer is fun to play against and not another slinger or twins
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So more than likely a k pop singer. Interesting but not my cup of tea
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@TheClownIsKing said:
The Third Seal and/or Blindness add ons.
I really wished they’d buff up the duration of some of them. Twins have 15 seconds!
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Good luck in your adventure. Currently have over 160 toolboxes
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@P3n1s3s said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975191#Comment_1975191
Just because someone is in a relationship with the opposite sex, it doesn't make them straight. They could be bisexual for all you know.
Very true but they did make felix after saying they are going to define a character’s sexuality and since they don’t mention him being bi I think they intend him to be straight
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975634#Comment_1975634
It's fine if they add an lgbt character, I really don't care. I just hope they do it right.
For once I actually trust bhvr since they’ve shown to be very supportive of lgbt people
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@Squirrel_Thicc said:
If you want representation that's cool, but putting a gay character in dead by daylight isn't going to end homophobia. It'll exist no matter what and dbd can't change that.
True but nothing bad can come of this so it’s fine by me
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975617#Comment_1975617
I don't have a problem with them inherently being included either, I just find it really annoying when people try to say things like "this is not political!" when it very much is and they're clearly just ignoring the definition of the word.
I guess you’re right but it’s equally annoying on every bit of diversity in a video game to see “we don’t want politics in our game”
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975033#Comment_1975033
I want you to google what the word "politics" means and then reread your post very slowly.
Politics or not I don’t see the issue with having an lgbt character in this game
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If only there was a perk that could do this while injured and exhausts you
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@Jakojo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975475#Comment_1975475
I felt OW & Apex (can't think of many more off the top of my head cause there aren't many) had great representation with their characters. Felix's lore mentions that he had a past relationship with a girl, but of course no one cared about that.
Yeah apex did it very well
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@Jakojo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974987#Comment_1974987
Yeah it was a majority of straight people that didn't like it. "Oh no my waifu is a lesbian!"
Yeah and from what I remember only 2 characters were explicitly stated to be lgbt (soldier and tracer) as opposed to the other 30 or so now
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@Dabihwow said:
I get it, I do believe lgbt should be represented, but I do believe it shouldn't be overdone. And there are many thoughts they could represent other then lgbt, what about Autism, or other subjects. I think they deserve just as much
Don’t quote me on this but Claudettes archive heavily implies she has some kind of learning disability which is actually very nice since it shows she can still do really well in school
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@RoboMojo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975121#Comment_1975121
Same tbh, It seems to me that a lot of people like her because of all the booping the snoot stuff lol. If you actually look at her power it's not very fun or interactive at all (I'm mainly referring to the reverse bear traps here, the dash attack she has is quite weak without add ons).
Yep I don’t enjoy dying because I got unlucky because the pig brought crate of gears tampered timer on ormond
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@EvanSnowWolf said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975269#Comment_1975269
You really really really love dry humping this comparison to LGBT representation with race and it doesn't fly AT ALL.
Race has a visual component. Sexuality is not. Sexual expression is not tied to any particular sexual orientation. Dwight could be gay for all we know. You don't "see" gayness, so trying to compare an LGBT character to one like Adam or Claudette or Feng is disingenuous.
It can still be important to the character’s story though.
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Movement feels the same to me now and I honestly love the place new animations
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@GannTM said:
Haddonfield is the epitome of horrible map design. If there is any survivor that think Haddonfield is fair and balanced, I will go off.
Honestly think swamp is worse overall design but haddonfield is a close second
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@[Deleted User] said:
The game is catered towards these people. Technically by not watching them tbag you you’re doing them dirty. This game is all about THEIR fun, stop being selfish
best way to deal with it is to be nice in the endgame chat. I’ve had toxic people been very confused once I just said GG WP and moved on
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@PeaceNGrease said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1974971#Comment_1974971
Chill out, plenty of people loved that game, including me (and I wasn't much a fan of Tlou1) and I'm not a lesbian white girl or a humong transgender child. Cut it out, most people were mad about Abby killing Joel, don't bastardize that and make it about identity politics exclusively
I know people loved the game but you’d be lying if you said there wasn’t a chunk of people who hated it solely for the representation
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@Orionbash said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975288#Comment_1975288
Asking for representation is fine, yes. But not demanding like the community has been for a long time now and giving a plethora of reasons like the OP has. The OP had the audacity to imply its BHVR's responsibility to include LGBT characters because a certain religious ideology is killing us for just existing. Like c'mon.
I mean it’s true that lgbt people are being discriminated and mistreated in other countries but yeah that isn’t really bhvr’s concern.
There are a lot of good reasons for representation though. It gives people insight in LGBT people through the characters lore aswell as having a character people can relate to. Really nothing bad can come out of this
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@Orionbash said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975286#Comment_1975286
Yeah. After months of abuse from SJWs. Jesus.
Abuse?
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@SirCracken said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975246#Comment_1975246
So the game should be continuously updated and be further broken and unbalanced just so the lore and art team have something to do?
O but the team should be able to continue to make the content they are supposed to while the bug fix and QA team(if they even have one) do theirs
Anyway without new content most of us would leave as it keeps the game fresh
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@Orionbash said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975250#Comment_1975250
Months and months of demanding and harrassement towards the devs to include an LGBT character isn't forcing them to? K. And no, that's not true. The devs once stated they wanted the player to come up with their own sexuality for characters. But after that statement they were flooded with harrassement and were forced to backpedal.
They still don’t have to anyway. At this point BHVR are pretty used to critics so I’m sure it wouldn’t effect them.
While I don’t agree with harassing them asking for more representation is completely fine
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The set was from mobile and it actually didn’t have a leg piece
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All he needs is brown bag base kit and no luck based traps( set amount of time to struggle out) and he’d be fine
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@Orionbash said:
As a gay man I disagree with the OP 100%. By forcing the devs into representation and diversity we stifle the free will of creatives and it creates ######### stereotypes in return.
Tbf we aren’t really forcing them here and we never have. Every character so far( barring licenced and felix) are left up to the player to have their own head canon about their sexuality
If the devs want to make an lgbt character they are going to whether we tell them to or not
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@SirCracken said:
Hey look, that's my comment at very bottom of the post!
First off, let me say that I'm thoroughly insulted for having it so close to the comments displaying outright hatred for other people because of their sexuality. My comment and theirs are clearly the same.
Second, you go on a rant about how easy it is to comprehend that lore isn't the same as programming, designing, etc. But didn't stop to think that maybe the reason why myself and others don't like your incessant need for diversity, (which the game already has in spades), is because the game is broken as hell. It doesn't need any more characters, straight or otherwise. We all know that the next update is going to break the game even more. And the fact that the character might have the arbitrary traits that you like isn't worth the cost of the game becoming even more unbalanced.
This ludicrous demand for the most superficial and surface-level parts of the human identity to be added into DBD needs to stop. Everyone should be focusing on making the devs fix their ######### game. I wouldn't be nearly as resentful towards your mental character checkbox if the game was actually decently balanced.
What are the lore and art team gonna do when they can’t make new characters? Make new cosmetics so you can complain about them monetising too much?
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975222#Comment_1975222
I mean, by just looking in this thread I can almost guarantee the storm will brew either way..
Anytime lgbt representation is added to a video game this happens and it’s honestly very sad
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@SaintDorks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975191#Comment_1975191
Half sure that is fan-cannon but Idk.
Depends, since we are not 100% sure what brings people to the entities realm (why It is drawn to these people)...So, If It is handle the wrong way It could end up being called tokenism or worst demonizing..But, It is BHVR so idk how they gonna mess It up.
On,top of that wearing obnoxiously bright clothing is usually a sign of the legendary "Toxic survivor"...Which is gonna cause a level of waah that might be unseen for ages to come.
Well I mean elodie has bright cosmetics and I wouldn’t consider her a toxic survivor. Same goes for Adam.
Also I do trust BHVR on this since a fair amount of their staff is LGBT and they’ve been working on this for awhile.
If you haven’t read the legions archive it heavily implies that frank and Julie are interested in each other
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@ZaKzan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975213#Comment_1975213
Felix wasn't added solely to appease straight white males. That's the difference between a token and a genuine character.
True he wasn’t and neither is this character assuming they’re even lgbt anyway
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@ZaKzan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975196#Comment_1975196
Which is fine. What I'm saying is that there's no point to cater to a specific type of person. The fact that the game does have a diverse set of survivors means that they are quite inclusive already, so complaining that they aren't inclusive is just untrue. I don't see how making tokens is productive at all.
How is it a token? Is felix a token for straight people because he’s straight.
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@ZaKzan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975188#Comment_1975188
But that character doesn't represent them at all. This is what I've been saying. You are more than the color of your skin, or your sexuality. What is not nice is to be defined who you are by the color of your skin or sexuality. I find that quite offensive. Attempting to represent people in that way is also extremely offensive.
True maybe you don’t relate to the character in any way but there’s no reason to oppose it since again some other people might relate to them
The game has a diverse set of survivors with different stories and personalities so most people will find someone they relate to whether it be from physical appearance or the lives they’ve lived and if there still isn’t any they’re adding a new one every 3 months
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@SaintDorks said:
Actually,
how do we know who is and is not gay do to the fact outside of Characters from Licenses. We Do not know anyone's sexuality unless the devs tell us. And even then they made It clear they are gonna keep It Shhhh for quite a few reasons.
For all anyone nows Ace is a bisexual and Meg has a thing for ladies. We don't know because that is not what is important. What is important is they gonna get hooked and why they are here in the entities realm.
I mean, how do we know one of legion nerds are not gay? How do we know anything unless It is told...Only like what one character is confirmed to have a love interest and that is a nurse due to her lore being about her going crazy due to events.
Also, I agree with Pilot because this is slowly getting out of hand here with this stuff..Nothing vs LGBT but I don't feel like in 4 years from now having to read about the united state voting system or how BHVR needs to Denounce some random youtuber for politics.
The survivors lore is obviously about them before the entities realm. For example jeffs life as a roadie to an artist
What happens if the character being LGBT has a big impact on their life. Should we not include it?
And as for legion aren’t frank and Julie in a relationship?
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@ZaKzan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975175#Comment_1975175
So what about the LGBT people that weren't discriminated against or abused? Why can't you find room to represent those people? Do you see what a slippery slope this is, and it's rooted in just how unique every individual person is.
Obviously there are lgbt people who would be different than the lgbt character in question but that doesn’t mean they can’t still relate to them in other ways.
Obviously not every black women who plays Claudette is an introvert or a botanist but just having a black female character is nice to them you know?
Just having a character who shares some traits to you is very nice even if they aren’t the exact same
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@ZaKzan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975153#Comment_1975153
Your sexuality doesn't represent who you are as a unique individual. Even if they create an LGBT character, they won't represent individual LGBT people, because every human is extremely unique and that uniqueness goes far beyond their sexuality. It doesn't make sense at all.
I fail to see how this is inclusive. You are more than the color of your skin, you are more than what configuration your genitalia are, you are more than the type of person you like sexually. You fail to comprehend how utterly improbable it is that you even exist, you fail to understand how a nearly infinite number of factors go into shaping an individual human.
Well obviously you’re different but it is still a character you can relate to
Let’s say the character has been discriminated for their sexuality through their early years. A lot of people will relate to that and be happy that they have a character that has been through similar struggles.
Or even certain physical attributes such as Jane or Jeff being bigger than the other characters is something some people relate to.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975155#Comment_1975155
True, but like you said, that's very different.
The discrimination Irish-Americans faced during that time period was awful, as all discrimination is.
But it isn't nearly as hot a topic as LGBTQ representation. Less room for error, ya know. If you get a minor thing about the discrimination Irish-Americans faced wrong, well, it probably won't blow up in your face. If you get something about the LGBTQ+ community wrong, people can and will run with it, simply to stir up controversy.
Again, not saying that I'm against it, just some food for thought.
Very true but I do have faith in BHVR here as they have lgbt employees and they’ve been working on this for awhile
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@bm33 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975155#Comment_1975155
I feel like that lore is why I'll always have a soft spot for Deathslinger. 😂
Me too and it’s why I play him even though I can’t hit the broad side of a barn with him
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1975143#Comment_1975143
If it's done right, absolutely.
Do I have that much faith in companies anymore? Not really.
I think you might just be more of an optimist than me lol
I have said this in a previous comment but while not the same deathslinger’s lore shows the discrimination Irish people faced in America at the time which being an Irish person myself is very nice to see that shown
I’m sure lgbt people would feel the same way
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@[Deleted User] said:
It's just some angry dumb bigoted people, some supportive ones, but most people just don't give a hoot if I am being honest.
Yeah that’s completely fair
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@Pulsar said:
In my opinion, it should've just been left out of the lore. You think David is gay? Awesome! You think Nea is asexual? Cool!
The worst thing this game can have is token representation, where the character exists simply to check a box. I would hope that BHVR won't do that, but I've been wrong about companies before.
Unfortunately, two of the top three religions in the world are very much against LGBTQ+ and their community. One of them more so than the other.
I hate bringing religion into things, but it does tie directly into why a lot of people aren't accepting. I think one of my acquaintances from high school said this about his religious views on LGTBQ+ when one of my other friends came out. "I don't agree with it, and I can't sit by and tell you I do, but I also disagree with lying and I lie on a regular basis. It doesn't change how I feel about you at all, you certainly don't deserve any of the hatred you get from the world, so I guess I'll just have to love and support you more to make up for it."
As a feminine looking guy who is not traditionally masculine, I've definitely been on the receiving end of some insults (usually from my parents) so I understand (in a small way) what those people go through. I couldn't imagine having the amount of hate they have thrown at me everyday. If BHVR adds a LGTBQ+ character into this game, there ARE going to be people who target that character specifically. There are also going to be people who get accused of being a bigot for tunneling that character. It's going to get...interesting.
I’m a bit unsure about adding it to pre existing survivors but making it part of a new one is great imo
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@bm33 said:
I just think of this video on why representation matters.
https://twitter.com/Friskkmkay/status/1326297399145476097?s=09
That’s pretty much how I felt when I saw Jeff when I first got the game