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@Noobe said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984347#Comment_1984347
unsure how that would work tho since fire is a fire and leaves some marks.. but then again deathslinger impales you.. idk i want it but would also feel kind of out of place with how fire physics work.. you cant just pat roll around and be fine.. or maybe it gives you the panic status effect wich is basically: always running, screaming, cant stop, hard to control, injured, broken
idk im going off track, maybe thats to similar to when victor is on you.. but anyways im pretty hyped for the chapter.. both fire and hacking related would be awesome.. hoping that the survivor is the hacker so we get 3 hacker perks that just breaks the boundaries that we know of and think outside the box.. but the killer as hacker would be cool also since we might get a rewind power then.
i dont think we will get 3 fire related perks on the survivor atleast.. but i do think the survivor is apart of some organization and this fire they are talking about might not be an actual fire but more of a mark of revolution
Reminded me of one of my killer concepts (it’s pretty much Plague on fire):
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/134769/killer-concept-the-firebreather
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985376#Comment_1985376
Don’t bother responding. I just posted another, but I’m guessing you will always want 1 more. Plus, the title of the first one directly contradicts what you are saying.
I said that your first thread was a valid example. But that it didn’t get much approval from other community members.
and yes, you were saying there is many threads like this. One or two aren’t many. At all.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/205496/the-promised-lgbt-characters/p1 another. Second paragraph or so she said it’s not even debatable that one is needed
Okay one last answer from me today:
they didn’t say it was needed per se, but that the devs should hold their words. And again they didn’t ask for an openly gay character but only for exactly what was promised by the devs.
i wish everyone a good night <3
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That’s one. And judging by the first answers didn’t get too much approval.
i already said almost no one.
Edit: I am off to bed, I assume you are searching for those many threads that are demanding an openly gay char (btw not even what that thread was about? Generally LGBT+ was requested). I will respond again tomorrow when I find time for it.
here the link
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/215714/we-need-an-lgbtq-survivor-and-killer
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Discussing leaks is against forum rules
edit: oh I think you might just mean the teasers and not actual leaks.
well, the colors in this configuration have some significance in the trans- and/or bi community
also the model seems to have slight male characteristics despite wearing very female clothes
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985337#Comment_1985337
Then explain the multiple threads asking for it then
Which thread is asking for an openly gay character? Haven’t seen one but I might just not remember, since those threads tend to go off topic pretty quickly
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@Saitamfed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985104#Comment_1985104
I know what you're trying to say but looking at the world how it is now... Well, let's say I get a bit defensive about it.
It’s completely okay to have second thoughts on the devs decision and question their implementation of it.
but we shouldn’t damn them for something we think they might be doing wrongly.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985317#Comment_1985317
Yes, and before that you said no one. I’m genuinely glad you changed from an absolute position to allowing for exceptions.
Yeah, but it should be clear that I can’t speak for everyone else. And of course I am only speaking from my point of view and I haven’t seen those demands and I am reading these threads pretty thorough.
And you made it sound like many people were asking for it. Which is not true. Let’s see if you can now admit to a mistake of again ignore this?
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@Guilty87 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1976624#Comment_1976624
But that is just wrong. There is the little asian kid who did not want to be forced into a roll in life and Abby who is just a girl who got built to get revenge and survive.
I am not too invested in Last Of Us, only watched one YouTube let’s play and that not really with much focus.
but i am pretty sure that Asian kid wanted to be called by the pronomes of the opposite biological gender they were born with, it was not just the role in their life but it was about their gender? Again, could be wrong about that..
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985259#Comment_1985259
Just a few pages ago @GoodBoyKaru said just that. You don't even read what those who agree with you post.
I am reading what they say. And just because we agree on this topic doesn’t mean we have to share every single thought. I also said almost no one.
there it is again. Reading comprehension.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985287#Comment_1985287
Look at my last post. My point stands
There is no point though.
you are making stuff up the whole time. I have to assume that you are doing it on purpose, thus calling you a troll.
if I am not correct on this I apologize. But then I have to assume you have zero reading comprehension and then you should really start to self reflect instead of accusing others..
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@EverflowingRiver said:
Well one of you must have flagged my posts; just got a message saying someone was offended by logic on a message board. Clearly no one here is interested in having a discussion.
this is not a discussion. You are not accepting in any way that what the creators say about their creations is canon. You are desperately trying to argue that it’s not true what they sayy
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985173#Comment_1985173
Half the people here have demanded an openly gay character. People have even claimed they don’t feel like they can identify with video game characters without it.
let me say again, since we as players don’t know who the character is, they are a wild card to us. Therefore the lore is open to interpretation. If the devs want to actually define the relationships they will reveal which character is the unknown to the players.
Almost no one demanded an openly gay character. No one claimed they can’t identify with a videogame character without it. At least not here in the forums that I have read. Please don’t put words in others mouths again.
to us they may be a wild card. But that doesn’t change the fact that every mentioning of anything LGBT+ in the lore was excluded and every relationship was definitely confirmed to be heterosexual.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985109#Comment_1985109
Funny, you seem to be the one getting upset. You are so upset you typed profanity in some of your messages. Like, you made a conscious effort to try and prove how upset you are. I’m calmly trying to show you that just because the lore says sally had a husband, doesn’t mean sally is a biological female. She could have a twig and berries between her legs and still have a husband. That’s the point, since we don’t know who the LGBTQ character is.
also for the record:
the devs confirmed all relationships in the lore are heterosexual. We can easily conclude that the relationship/marriage between Sally and Andrew were heterosexual with that information.
you are not trying to calmly show that, you are refusing to accept what the writers have confirmed about their own created characters.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985170#Comment_1985170
do you know which character it is? So they are a wild card.
That’s not the definition of wild card. The creators know who that char is. It is something set in stone. And again you are refusing to answer how i contradicted myself.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985146#Comment_1985146
We want the creative team to flow, but they better flow in the direction of a gay character or we will make a ridiculously long thread about the lack of said character. Revisit my post discussing sally on a previous page please, it is worded better then my one regarding frank
Also what is your obsession with a gay character? No one ever demanded an explicit gay character. People are literally just saying LGBT+ should not be excluded when heterosexual relationships are already included. Really. That is my point of view and that of many others you are trying to argue against.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985109#Comment_1985109
Funny, you seem to be the one getting upset. You are so upset you typed profanity in some of your messages. Like, you made a conscious effort to try and prove how upset you are. I’m calmly trying to show you that just because the lore says sally had a husband, doesn’t mean sally is a biological female. She could have a twig and berries between her legs and still have a husband. That’s the point, since we don’t know who the LGBTQ character is.
@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985102#Comment_1985102
I’m trying to make a point. Not my fault you label anyone who disagrees with your world view as a troll.
Your point was disproven by the fact that the creators/writers of the lore have confirmed every relationship is heterosexual and anything LGBT+ was unintentionally excluded while heterosexual mentions weren’t.
you are literally make stuff up such as the LGBT char kn the game is a wild card, which was also confirmed to be untrue as it was a specific character.
i am labeling you as a troll because you are still arguing against the words of the creators.
also you were saying I would contradict myself but even after I questioned that you ignored it and never elaborated.
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Why should it help when there is not even a wild card present?
edit: Your reading comprehension is really lacking.
(also I get it, you like to troll, but maybe try a little harder, you are just humiliating yourself at this point)
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@Saitamfed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985053#Comment_1985053
Excuse me but the way to say they're normal people is not to put a gay and say "look, we added a gay" and I am a gay man, but to add a man and casually say "yes, he had a lovely husband"... I am all for representation but you should know how to represent. Needless to say, I am disabled also so sometimes adding you to something just because you are in X way feels forced and weird.
No one said they should explicitly state „x char is gay“
everyone is on board with that casual mention of a significant other or something similar
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985063#Comment_1985063
I literally don’t know how to explain how a wild card works. I can’t hold your hand through all this
the devs never ever said it’s a wild card. In no way. One specific character was created with it in mind before anyone even asked for LGBT+ chars.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985040#Comment_1985040
Official canon gives one character as a wild card in terms of gender or sexuality. Who are you to tell me who it is. Thus any predefined relationship is open to official interpretation
That’s not what any one said. There is one specific defined character who is in some specific form part of the LGBT+ community.
that’s not a wild card just because you don’t know more. It may very well get revealed in a future tome
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1985005#Comment_1985005
“so yes we KNOW every mentioned relationship is heterosexual. And we know there is at least one char LGBT+ (not necessarily gay). It may very well be a char said has had a heterosexual relationship confirmed. We don’t know said.”
You literally contradict yourself. And if no one is trying to restrict my head canon, why do you keep telling me the devs have defined them to only be one way
How is that a contradiction? Please elaborate on that. Because it isn’t at all.
and head canons don’t have to be conform with the official lore. That’s literally the definition of head canon.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984975#Comment_1984975
and what if I chose to believe frank is a ze/zem. Your argument falls apart then.
No one here wants to restrict your head canons or anyone else’s.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984953#Comment_1984953
Lol you just admitted the devs already have a character whose gay in the lore, which one we don’t know. By definition this means that any of the relationships you point to as proof that heterosexual relationships are present might actually be not heterosexual. Then you say I am out of arguments. That is classic.
I’ll continue to not assume anything about the characters. You continue to assume they are straight. Seems like I’m actually the more inclusive thinker though IMO
The devs said every mentioned relationship is indeed heterosexual. And there is a character that is LGBT+. And they have seen their mistake in mentioning heterosexual relationships while also stating they didn’t want to reveal any of the sexualities of their chars. They admitted they did mistakes there and they will not any longer exclude any sexuality in the lore.
so yes we KNOW every mentioned relationship is heterosexual. And we know there is at least one char LGBT+ (not necessarily gay). It may very well be a char said has had a heterosexual relationship confirmed. We don’t know said.
but what does that even have to do with this topic? Devs won’t explicitly exclude anything LGBT+ related, while they stated that they unintentionally did so in the past.
now use you reading comprehension please.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984935#Comment_1984935
The same creators who also said one current character is part of the gay community but won’t say who? Yeah, so I’ll keep my mind open to the character lore while you pigeon hole them.
I don’t even know what that phrase is supposed to mean (pigeon hole)
but yeah kinda? The devs confirmed one char was created with being part of the LGBT+ community in mind (not necessarily gay). Which also confirms the others up to that point weren’t.
but good to know you are out of ‚arguments‘. Please next time think about it before you try to put words in others mouths.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984905#Comment_1984905
So now you can tell me what the pronouns I want to use mean?
See how ridiculous this gets?
plus, once again I have no proof that heterosexual relationships are mentioned. If you choose to read the lore that way, you do you.
Again, the creators have literally confirmed it.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984881#Comment_1984881
Your second line actually helps my point. Thank you.
@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984893#Comment_1984893
You have zero reading comprehension.
we are actually saying if heterosexual relationships can be mentioned so should others. And yes we can assume their genders when the creators of the game have defined their genders. They are using pronomes and other words like ‚woman‘, ‚man‘ etc.
Also the creators have literally confirmed that every relationship mentioned is in fact straight.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
You all have zero reading comprehension. It’s simple, if gender is fluid, then you cannot assume their relationships are heterosexual in nature. That means YOU are saying character x identifies a certain way. It’s a pretty big leap to make
You have zero reading comprehension.
we are actually saying if heterosexual relationships can be mentioned so should others. And yes we can assume their genders when the creators of the game have defined their genders. They are using pronomes and other words like ‚woman‘, ‚man‘ etc.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984843#Comment_1984843
You literally didn’t read a word I said. You just assumed they are all heterosexual
You literally didn’t read what I have written.
being in a heterosexual relationship has nothing to do with being heterosexual.
please show me where I have assumed they were heterosexual.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
Someone else brought up a good point in that how do we know nurse isn’t bisexual? I think everyone here is a bigot for assuming frank doesn’t identify as a woman and you are just foisting the identity of male on him.
No one ever stated that this is out of possibility. But why is it okay to explicitly never mention anything LGBT related but there are several heterosexual relationships mentioned which is completely fine by every one. Literally everyone. No one complained
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@Zaytex said:
There's actual meaningful representation and just ''throw it in to meet the criteria of diversity''
You all want the latter and will not admit it.
You just don’t want any LGBT inclusion because you can already fantasize about the mentioned heterosexual relationships in the game! Now i get why you are not answering it, gotcha! That is the only possible argument I can imagine why you are against inclusion, so it must be true!
see. Not so nice to get an obviously false assumption thrown at you.
(for the record, no I don’t think that is really the case)
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@Zaytex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984732#Comment_1984732
All I'm going to say as a somewhat final, because I can see this dragging on without any ending is, if you really need LGBTQ representation in this game, then you're either:
A) In a country where LGBTQ isn't accepted and I apologise for that.
B) In a country that has plenty of representation in casual media, etc, but you just want to force a gay character in every fabric of reality, even though that isn't realism.
C) You want to sexualise the characters for sex.
If I had to generalise the people asking for LGBTQ representation, I'd say ''C'' because there's countless comments about whether Dwight is a top or bottom, or whether David has a massive crotch, but there's none about actual meaningful love or positivity when it comes to sexuality or gender, which is the representation that is needed, but you can't get it in this game.
Or maybe try to read the arguments in this thread instead of assuming
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@Hyp3R said:
Why do you all even care. This game is broken on all possible levels, and the biggest thread on this forum is about LGBT characters? Just why? I'm just so curious, why is that so important for you to have a trans survivor or killer in a game about murdering people?
The thread is so big because people want it to be excluded. The question should go to them: why do they care so much?
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@Zaytex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984708#Comment_1984708
Let me ask you this, how do you introduce representation that is purely positive in a game about pain and murder?
This isn't a love show, and if it was, I would be down for it, but adding sexuality to a game about perpetual suffering isn't the representation the LGBTQ+ community needs.
Why are you always avoiding to answer that simple question?
include it just like heterosexual relationships in the lore. Nothing more nothing less. That’s what the devs want to do. No it has nothing to do with gameplay or theme. But does Legions intimacy fit? Does Kate being a country singer needed to be in the game?
also why would it need to be positive when it could just be neutral and in best case not stereotypical or discriminating.
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@Zaytex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984681#Comment_1984681
Because you basically implied they were morally correct in their decision when they JUST had a scandal over doing something that was immoral.
Sure, they can decide what they want to do, but at the end of the day, they need to consider the communities feelings and if only 10% of the player base actually cares for representation, then forcing it in is ridiculous.
Like seriously, who thinks whilst playing a game about murder and suffering, ''hey I need gay and trans representation''. Unless you're living in a specific part of the world, you can literally turn the TV on and see plenty of LGBTQ representation, why do you need it in a horror game?
It’s not forced in. The devs want it. People want to force it out
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@Zaytex said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984651#Comment_1984651
Right, because they're clearly the gospel of morality from their track record, yes?
I can't wait for a trans survivor to be brought into a game of murder, pain and suffering, some fine representation there.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984656#Comment_1984656
How does, sexuality and gender fit in line with a game about murder and suffering?
Because I literally do not see how sexuality, which is often represented by love and positivity, can be FAIRLY represented in a game about literal misery on a silver platter.
Why have you never said anything against the heterosexual relationships featured in the lore then? Why the need to only exclude LGBT+, which is not even always only about sexuality. Being trans is about identity, it says nothing about the sexuality of the person if they are trans
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984065#Comment_1984065
“uhm. So heterosexuality in the game is okay but anything non-heterosexual should be left out because players can change their naming tag or have head canon”
Question definitely has a motive questioning time to it but sure continue with it.
Please read also what I have written directly after that.
also please read what they have written that I commented and quoted later.
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@Zaytex said:
I'm gay, but the desire to input a gay character into literally every game, series, or thing in the world is annoying. Stop it, no, you don't need representation about gay people in a HORROR game. Go somewhere else if you want gay representation.
Same can be said about heterosexuality but here we are.
people are just asking for equal treatment
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So.. killer power speculation included music/sound based, time manipulation based or fire/explosion based.
or something completely different. Lol.
but I really think these chapter teasers are great! Loved it.
and if it turns out to be LGBT no one can say that that was the main selling/advertisement focus after this build up!
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Or use the new thread GoodBoyKaru just created.
because he is a good boy he already took care.
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@KlapzCheeks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984179#Comment_1984179
can you post updates? i dont want to make a twitter for that lol please and thank you
its complete translated there and you should be able to open it in a browser without a Twitter account.
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OMG we were all wrong, it IS FNAF
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@MojoTheFabulous said:
Did they actually confirm his POV would change with the next chapter? Last I heard it was being worked on and that said it would take a while.
In December they said it would come sooner that they themselves expected. Whatever that means...
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I think Michael Myers is a good example for this, and they did that pretty good.
Also kinda hoping that pig gets some love with an addon rework, possibly with some power tweaking stuff.
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Judging by the teaser I am expecting great music in this chapter.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1984034#Comment_1984034
Trying to find a place where he said gays shouldn’t be allowed. Couldn’t find it. His argument said let people put their own mark on it and even included Jews as an example. You instead tried to imply he’s a homophobe against adding an openly gay character.
You missed his point entirely
Trying to find the Place where I called them a homophobe but all I can see is that I said I hope I have misunderstood them.
Also: „So there are thousands of personal preferences about self-identification and social classes. Would it not make more sense to [...]“
this is actually implying not to include those personal preferences and this whole topic is about LGBT+ (not only gay). also this whole statement while heterosexual relationships are already in the game.
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@stvnhthr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1983970#Comment_1983970
So there are thousands of personal preferences about self-identification and social classes. Would it not make more sense to allow individual players to decide in their own mind, or choose a player name which represents their beliefs if it is important to them? Like someone who is Jewish could call their character liteofstarofdavid (appropriate if they are a David King main) or someone could call themselves gayNea.
Remember no one wants to live in a society where their beliefs are dictated or forced upon others.
If you have ever read the book "After the Ball" you know originally the pro-gay folks wanted to shame and guilt others into changing societal norms; that is not a healthy way to conduct yourself in a pluralistic society.
Also I Never Said every single person should get representation. I have literally just said no social class should be explicitly excluded. That’s a difference.
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@stvnhthr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1983970#Comment_1983970
So there are thousands of personal preferences about self-identification and social classes. Would it not make more sense to allow individual players to decide in their own mind, or choose a player name which represents their beliefs if it is important to them? Like someone who is Jewish could call their character liteofstarofdavid (appropriate if they are a David King main) or someone could call themselves gayNea.
Remember no one wants to live in a society where their beliefs are dictated or forced upon others.
If you have ever read the book "After the Ball" you know originally the pro-gay folks wanted to shame and guilt others into changing societal norms; that is not a healthy way to conduct yourself in a pluralistic society.
uhm. So heterosexuality in the game is okay but anything non-heterosexual should be left out because players can change their naming tag or have head canon?
i hope i am misunderstanding you right now.
it doesn’t matter what some extremist group did or does. Or should we judge every white straight man by what Nazi Germans did? The answer is no, btw.
also the devs said they want to be inclusive and they want to add chars that are LGBT+, why should they be forced not to do that.
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@jadedcaffeinated said:
i've already stated that, as a gay person myself, i'd love to see representation in this game, but i want it to be handled tastefully and have it feel genuine rather than something just done for the sake of having good PR
We have multiple statements by the dev team that they do really care about this topic and they want to be inclusive and want to do it right. That’s also their reason why they take their time for adding a char thats LGBT, they didn’t want to rush it and just be done with it
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@stvnhthr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/230556/a-response-to-those-against-adding-lgbtqia
So is this your opinion or do you state this as fact? It seems that you could not possibly have anyway of coming to this conclusion from data, but it sounds like your own opinion and preferences.
What groups do you feel should be represented, and which do you feel should not be represented? For instance if less than 5% of the population self identifies as LGBTQIA, do you believe all other social classes of 5% or greater should also be represented?
No social class should be explicitly excluded if there are no game mechanic reasons for that.
easy as that.