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@CluelessWanderer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2161193#Comment_2161193
My opinion isn't an attack on you. Anyways, much like most people, I'm just gonna back away from this now. It's not worth it.
calling people cringey and accusing them of „militantly pushing“ isn’t an attack?
(and if you didn’t meant me, who in this discussion did you mean?)
but I guess you don’t want to discuss, which is fair enough. So bye and have a good day. Next time, if you don’t want to be part of a discussion don’t come in and call it cringe and then leave, please.
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@Elena said:
As a gay man, I hope they do it right.
A nice nod to their sexuality in their backstory would make me abundantly happy, nothing big, nothing that defines that character, just a glance at their sexuality i.e "his/her/their boyfriend etc".
Yeah, that’s what the majority of the „pro LGBTQ+ inclusion“-crowd here is asking for. Same treatment as heterosexual relationships have been treated and we are good.
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@CluelessWanderer said:
To the 3 who jumped on me immediately, I'm fine with how @Orion put it- that wondering when a character will be released if it was promised, no problem. I find that reasonable. It's just that these threads always devolve into attack/defense scenarios. Or if people who aren't homophobic in the slightest god forbid, disagrees, they can often get accused of being a bigot when *they really really aren't*.
Maybe I'm spoiled living in Canada (isn't Behavior Canadian?).
I mean.. you were the one attacking here..
and yes BHVR is based in Canada/Montreal.
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@CluelessWanderer said:
As a gay person myself, whenever these topics come up I just cringe and want to crawl under a rock and hide.
Gay people get hooked and die the same way as straight people. A gay sociopathic killer is just as murder-y. I couldn't care less to have "representation" in the pool of people running for their lives from a chainsaw wielding freak.
I'm so sick of the militant push by a small minority of people to shove to rainbow into everything lol.
Asking for equal treatment instead of explicit exclusion is now „militant pushing“
lol
talking about cringe.
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@Awakey said:
Not this again.
I'm just going to leave my opinion here, and honestly if I get in trouble for it, I don't give #########. ATP it would just be suppression of my freedom of speech.
I have no issue with a character being gay or bi or lesbian. While I feel it to be unnecessary and "catering" (one could say), I can swallow my pride for that and suck it up
However, as a conservative and a proud believer of science I don't believe a trans character aligns with my beliefs about biology. I (and many others I know) wouldn't appreciate having one in the game. That's putting it lightly.
Any replies to this comment need to be directed to my wall. I enjoy discussion.
„However, as a conservative and a proud believer of science I don't believe a trans character aligns with my beliefs about biology“
uhm. I don’t think you actually meant science here. Maybe Scientology or something similar?
science is not a belief. And transgenderism can be explained biologically and is really nothing unnatural or anything..
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@Zixology said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2161049#Comment_2161049
That's not true?
This game is about sex now??
They actually listened on Twitter and added sex to DBD?
uhm. No. Sexuality was almost there from the beginning, with introduction of the Nurse. And that wasn’t because of the Twitter crowd you mentioned.
Nurse, Felix, Oni, David, Legion (seriously read the archive lore…), to some extent Wraith and Ace (both implied in cosmetic description), then we also have That pig lady from the tome 1 story that literally used sex to lure in men and kill them.
and there is probably more I don’t think of just now.
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@Zixology said:
Or, better yet, who cares?
It's not a game about sex. It's a game about murder. Keep it about murder.
######### like this is why the devs aren't focusing enough on game balance.
That’s not true though?
we have plenty of backstory and lore of characters, including heterosexual relationships. Non of that is relevant for the game mechanics.
the People creating the lore are not the same that work on balancing, but fixing or new features. It doesn’t take away the focus of that stuff. At all.
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160944#Comment_2160944
No that's fine, trust me, I completely believe both of you. All I need to do is turn on the television or walk outside my house to believe that this is true.
While it's far less than it was when I was young (I wager there's a good chance that I was around a little while before a lot of others here were), there is undoubtedly still hatred, bigotry and persecution of gay and trans (etc.) people all over the world. I don't like it, I've done my part to change it, and I rejoiced when my country finally caught up to the rest of the world in agreeing that there is (in my opinion) nothing wrong with people of the same gender having romantic, fulfilling partnerships.
That said, I just don't know how or why this thread became so defensive, so fast. I don't know why the default attitude seems to be "tolerate us or you're an intolerant #########". I guess I just don't understand the aggression.
I mean.. why are people coming here saying „I don’t care but leave LGBT out of my video games“ if they truly are tolerant? It’s only natural to get defensive when you get such offensive statements.
if people don’t care they could just ignore this discussion or the inclusion. But they do care and try to find excuses why it’s okay to be intolerant against LGBTQ+ when they clearly have no problems with heterosexuality mentioned everywhere. and believe me, no one of the people ever could give a valid argument for that. That point is where they get silent or insulting.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160875#Comment_2160875
You haven't been here long enough to know about this, but this isn't the first LGBT thread. A lot of ######### acting exactly like you described (or worse) have been banned.
i can definitely confirm there have been countless nasty comments/users that behaved exactly like you have described.
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@Pulsar said:
I just hope it doesn't break anything too important this time.
It's gonna break something, I just hope it isn't something like hooks.
Can’t break what already is broken (Breakdown bug literally breaks hook ^^)
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160703#Comment_2160703
This is why I think discussions like this lead to so many problems.
The user never said "Nuke the lore, it's better than having LGBT characters". That's a strawman. What he or she said was "when people demanded certain identities in another game the developers went overboard in trying to represent said identity correctly and it caused even more problems".
The person Orion quoted literally said they would rather the already established lore being retconned to not include any heterosexuality instead of LGBTQ+ inclusion..
no strawman.
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I am excited for various (needed) balance changes.
some are questionable (Lucky Break, maybe Freddy nerf was too much, Demo could have gotten more but all of this needed a change in the first place)
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@Itooshie said:
This will never be easy for BHVR to do. And I think its a discussion/topic that alot of us have at heart. I understand what you are both conveying to me but I cant help but feel as if it's unfair to equate CryptTV monsters with people. Feels like a very weird area to be treading.
I know that CTV have given their monsters identities, but, it's not as if they thats a reasonable form of representation? They are monsters. The stereotype character would stick out as a token character? I think it becomes whether you would say monsters that have been labled LGBTQ+ are fair representation to the community?
Now that I think about it though, trickster is about as flamboyant as it could get in DBD at the moment and I love him.
I don’t think the CryptTV chars should be the only representation, I just think it’s noteworthy that they (or as I assume the people they were before they got to be monsters) were LGBTQ+.
i think the best kind of representation is diverse representation, so have killers, monsters, non-stereotypical, stereotypical representation. All of it. Don’t exclude any topic just for exclusions sake. And don’t use LGBTQ+ as advertisement or political agenda. Just let it be a ‚trait’ that any one can have
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160669#Comment_2160669
Oh, I agree with you. No tokenism/stereotypes. I'm nowhere near a stereotypical gay with the exception of this one hand movement I do when I sit while interested in something. I'd hate for the only representation to be like, the true stereotype pink hair handbag makeup "YASS ######### GO 💅💅💅💅💅". Are there people like that? Yes. Do I want my only representation to be that? No.
What I was trying to get at is if they were to make a stereotypical character, at least they wouldn't be the token one, which I think is what Mooks was trying to get at (but I don't speak for them to correct me if I'm wrong).
And seeing how they've done things with het relationships except Frank/Julie, I have faith in them not to do that.
No* (thanks autocorrect) correction needed at all. That’s exactly what I was trying to say.
Words can be difficult
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@Itooshie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160558#Comment_2160558
That feels like a really big cop out if you ask me.
I'm not sure why but you saying that beings from CryptTV are fair representation, really offends me? They are monsters, not people. Or can we slap a label on anything now and call it representation? Not to mention these are skins and not a character of BHVRs own design.
I just believe that using a stereotypical flamboyant gay is not the way to go when introducing their first lgbt survivor/killer. Aswell as just against stereotypes of lgbt in general. Personally, if I'm honest, I'm against the flamboyant gay stereotype because thats the harassment I have faced as a member of LGBT even though I'm not as flamboyant as some others, Im often assumed such and harassed because of it.😕🙃
I don’t know anything about CryptTV soninjust assumed they were humans that turned into monsters? as far as I know, both killers and survivors are characters in Dead by Daylight and it wouldn’t be fair to only have LGBTQ+ representation on the ‚good‘ side.
and I fully agree the first and therefor probably most discussed added original LGBTQ+ char shouldn’t be the flamboyant stereotypical gay. And the devs already stated they know it’s a sensitive topic and they want to make it right.
but.. down the line I think exclusion of any stereotypical trait from all LGBTQ+ chars is not the best way to go - when you already have multiple of non-stereotypical chars.
it’s not wrong or something to be ashamed of to have some stereotypical traits after all. This shouldn’t be how all LGBT chars should be represented, far from it. But it’s not something that needs to be completely censored from any media. It’s still completely natural and normal if someone happens to be gay and flamboyant.
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@chargernick85 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/247209/when-is-the-ptb-update-coming-to-xbox
Ya it actually says it on the right of your screen I believe since yesterday sometime afternoon/late afternoon. Right where it says tweets by dead by Bhvr.
That’s not visible on the mobile version of the forums.
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160051#Comment_2160051
This never happened either.....where the hell are you guys getting these bullshit fanfics?
David had a girlfriend (read his lore, it’s really only mentioned in one sentence though)
Him being a ‚homophobic type‘ is just stereotypical because he is someone who get drunk at a bar and fights others without any reason. Nothing officially stated that he is homophobic. Just.. it wouldn’t surprise anyone if he was homophobic (and it wouldn’t surprise me if he actually fought homophobic people because he is LGBTQ+ friendly). We simply don’t know.
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@xXCAM3R0NXx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160573#Comment_2160573
But what date is what i meant aha
It was yesterday on Twitter confirmed to come today!
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@PigMainBigBrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160022#Comment_2160022
I'm not sure where this rumor started....but I've read both the Nurse and the Wraiths lore through and not only are they not even from the same country....they aren't even from the same time period. Neither one of their lores including tomes even mentions any of this. Gonna go out on a limb....but....ITT this might be a fanfic rumor.
They have both a cosmetic set which descriptions imply some kind of relationship. Probably in the Entity’s world and not from their lives before.
that and I think one of those cheesy valentine day cards they post on Twitter had something about this ‚relationship‘
i don’t think it’s really canon though.
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@Canas said:
There's one more thing I actually remembered, that being the issue of censorship in certain countries where homosexuality/queerness is actually banned. Prime examples would be Russia, China and any muslim country out there. This type of censorship has already affected other characters from different games such as Tracer from Overwatch and Varus from League of Legends who had their lore either altered or certain parts of it simply omitted.
I think it's very likely that BHVR would do the same thing if they ever released a character that causes controversies like this in other countries.
That’s the only valid argument against inclusion at this point. And i think this is one of the prime reasons why it’s taking so long, because it’s a very sensitive topic. (Oh and finally something on-topic instead of unnecessary discussions lol)
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@JustZed32 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160517#Comment_2160517
let me clarify, care about what exactly?
They don’t care if LGBTQ+ chars are added into the game or not. Which is perfectly understandable and okay. If you don’t care you don’t care after all.
but if you say you don’t care and then say you don’t want inclusion then that is a contradiction. Which happens in these discussions way too often
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@Itooshie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160443#Comment_2160443
Thats not what I said, if you go back through the replies.
It was in reference to them just putting in a flamboyant gay and calling it a day. Making a stereotype lbtq character is just making tokenism as thats how we are often portrayed online and in media, as the GBF, the flamboyant homo.
The tokenism/sterotypes is what I said would not go down well, not the the inclusion of a queer character.
But we already get non stereotypical representation.
having a character that happens to also have some kind of stereotypical trait wouldn’t be that bad when you have multiple different representations. After all, there are gay people that are flamboyant. And there is nothing wrong with that.
i think the Movie „Love, Simon“ did it pretty well. They had 3 gay characters, one of them being super ‚effeminate‘. But it was obvious that the main char wasn’t flamboyant or anything. They played pretty well with these topics imo.
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@gibblywibblywoo said:
I don't think the survivors sexuality really matters, personally. I don't care if we get an LGBT survivor as long as the backstory is good and their design is cool. I'm a live and let live guy.
But I can understand why its wanted. It's nice to be represented and I've noticed games like F13 and DBd tend to have an unusually high % of LGBT players in their communities. You'll get people that complain and call it pandering regardless, unfortunately. Or even worse "political" because apparently not being straight is political... somehow...
ALso, speaking as a comfortably straight dude, isn't it funny how people will kick up a fuss at the idea of a gay character or any lgbt "romance" but are fine with Nurse's backstory of being happily married. Never saw anyone complain about that or call it forced or "not fitting in the game".
Wait.. someone that genuinely doesn’t care?
are you a fictional person?
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@Itooshie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160396#Comment_2160396
I cant tell what your point is here? Because that seems very off base on what I was talking about.
You said inclusion of LGBTQ+ wouldn’t go down well and will result in a token character…
and I pointed out that we already have confirmed chars coming that are not token or stereotyped chars.
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@Itooshie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160363#Comment_2160363
It just wont go down well, It will just seem like a token character. "The flaming homo" which is not the representation thats needed. (Imo) I want a gay character that isnt just the GBF, sipping tea and shouting sis 😒
Id feel like a joke and not a serious attempt at making an interesting lgbt representitive.
Its different from real life individuals being comfortable and expressive of their personality.
We already got non-stereotyping and non-token LGBTQ+ representation confirmed in Look-See, Birch and Mordeo by CryptTV.
granted those are licensed and legendary chars but the devs have stated before they don’t differentiate between licensed and original characters. They are all characters for them.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160372#Comment_2160372
It doesn't help that LeaksByDaylight queerbaited the community with their made-up """leaks"""
Oh yeah. That one. They have made several “leaks“ that turned out to be false..
@Northener1907 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160372#Comment_2160372
Yes, in her story we do not know anything about her sexual orientation. But devs can add one LGBTQ survivor or killer.
This survivor will die like others. And killer will murder like others. So there is not problem.
exactly this. I don’t get why there needs to be discussions about this topics when it’s in essence so simple!
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@Northener1907 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160083#Comment_2160083
Was not Yun LGBTQ representation?
No. People only speculated she might be trans because of the colors used in the Twitter marketing Build-up.
actually, nothing about Yun’s sexual orientation or identity is known other than she is being referred to as she/her. I think.
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@JFF said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160126#Comment_2160126
But that guy has a point, BHVR as a company stated they support LGBTQ+. They will release content related to that, when it's ready and people trying to dictate and enforce it is the wrong approach. IMO the best thing Devs could do is release such chapter without too much hype behind it and treat it as a normal thing, because it is normal after all. I believe this way people would adapt way much faster, rather than saying "HEY GUYS WE'RE ADDING GAY CHARACTER TO THE GAME, OKAY?".
I completely agree.
don’t make a fuzz out of it. Just treat LGBTQ+ the same as they have treated heterosexual relationships before. Don’t use a char being LGBTQ+ as advertisement.
if they do however, I don’t care as much as i didn’t care about their KPop marketing or whatever, but I can see why that kind of approach is being seen as tasteless by others.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160294#Comment_2160294
Also just saying if it's easier you can call me Karu if you want ^^
I am officially blessed 😇
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@HollowsGrief said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160294#Comment_2160294
It's extremely rude to but into other people's conversations. Please go bother someone else as I haven't interest in conversing with you.
Then don’t post in an open forum but go into some form of private messaging.
i am fairly certain Karu had no problem with my statement here and this is not a dialogue. If you have a problem with that you can just leave the discussion. I won’t leave.
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@HollowsGrief said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160261#Comment_2160261
Pretty arrogant of you to think you know anything about me don't you think? You throw around trash terms like "homophobic" because it's a terrible way to say someone else's way of thinking is irrelevant and should be ignored. A bit hateful, arrogant and discriminatory wouldn't you say? Maybe I'm just tired of reading the same boring stuff over and over.
GoodBoyKaru didn’t call you directly a homophobe though. Learn to read.
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@reeves7 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/247177/lgbtq-survivor-killer-when
Who cares about a gay character in a game bro? People have too much free time nowadays
Who cares about what other people care about? seems like you have too much free time.
if you don’t care, carry on. This discussion is not directed towards you. That’s really not a big deal.
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160194#Comment_2160194
There's a world of difference between directly insulting someone and being unable to control whether someone feels insulted by another person's philosophy.
Though I don't expect to get any sort of apology for being called a homophobe, I will apologize if you felt offended by my argument. That was not my intent.
To again be clear, without aggression or sarcasm, here is where I stand: This game can include anybody. I don't care. It doesn't bother me BECAUSE I don't care. I don't choose Meg because she in any way reminds me of myself, or play as a male because I feel like that's the only way I can feel "represented". I don't CARE. I don't think of a person's color, sexuality, gender, appearance, or political alignment when choosing a character because it's a video game and, as I said earlier, I play video games to get AWAY from that kind of crap in real life. Now, before you get upset, am I saying that inclusion and representation is crap? No. I'm saying that divisive subjects that, as they did tonight, usually boil down to one side insulting the other one due to an emotional disagreement is the kind of stress that I don't need in my life any more than I'm already forced to deal with it. I deal with it work, I deal with it when I watch the news, when I come home to play a video game I'm happy to know that such concerns don't matter.
SO, when I see someone raising a discussion out of it, and resorting rather quickly to the defensive stance that "if you don't like it you're intolerant", I see a logical fallacy that, again, I'm already sick of dealing with everywhere else I go. If I walk down the street and see a gay pride parade, I'll clap and wave and carry on. If I read in the news that because of some city ordinance the gay pride was going to be canceled until its organizers called the city "intolerant homophobic bigots", I'm going to roll my eyes.
I'm all for inclusion. What I don't like is when calls for inclusion start segueing into de facto threats of joining the righteous lest they be condemned as hateful, which is exactly what happened to me.
That’s a fair enough standpoint for sure. If you don’t care you don’t care. But others do care. Others may need representation to get away from oppression/discrimination/hate/violence because of their identity or sexual orientation in real life. It wouldn’t hurt you but representation helps to normalize these topics and help letting feel people included when they struggle with this in other areas.
and you have to agree people can take offense when you are using terms like „crap“ „feeling sick dealing with it“ etc. when talking about it. And it certainly doesn’t feel like you don’t care when using such a language.
and just for the record, I don’t apologize because I never accused you of being homophobic to begin with. I explicitly stated that before actually. And I didn’t feel attacked or insulted personally as well, I just pointed out that others may feel insulted by it. Overall it seems you were trying to accuse me of being too emotional about this topic when it felt like you were way more emotional.
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160175#Comment_2160175
Actually no. If you take your emotion out of the discussion you'll see that my opinion is that a character should not be defined by their sexuality, race, religion, politics, etc. The term "identity politics" exists. I didn't invent it. It defines the pushing of one's own self as something that should take special precedent, something that should be included not as an organic addition but as a way of singling it out.
I called no one anything. I never once said that I was against gays or anyone else being in this game. I said that I don't support the modern trend of forcing such things just so that everyone can feel "included". How identical to oneself does a character have to be to feel included? I even provided examples. I can play as women. Black characters. If some of the characters in this game are gay or trans, I couldn't care less. I met a trans member of this forum and we played plenty of games together. I even complimented him on his ability to appear female. I have two gay cousins. But yes, because I don't like the practice of demanding "equal treatment" (when in fact this would imply that any straight people are demanding inclusion when in fact I doubt most straight players of the game care one way or another), I am essentially called a bigot for having the audacity not to agree.
I don't care what I said. I never once personally attacked ANY of you. The fact that one of you would call me homophobic is a disgusting, knee-jerk reaction that shows that you don't understand nor care to understand my argument, you just want what you want and assume that anyone who finds this to be obnoxious is, again, a selfish bigot.
You should be ashamed of yourselves. I was voting for gay rights before most of you were likely even alive. But hey, I'm the bad guy because I don't like people trying to force their will on others and claiming victimization, oppression, and hate on the side of the enemy for not agreeing. So be it.
The fact that you are accusing me for something „one of us“ did just tells me a lot about yourself. I am an individual person.
and you may have not insulted someone directly but you insulted people nonetheless.
even though the term „identity politics“ exists you were the one labeling it that in this case. We already know how the devs see it and the majority of people (including me) just want equal treatment or not explicit exclusion just for exclusions sake. No one should have a problem with that, but somehow, you found a way to label it something you think is bad. There was no pushing here, the devs decided on their own. You were trying to push against inclusion though. But it seems like that is okay in your mind..
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160157#Comment_2160157
Oh, like the person who called me a homophobe for having my own opinion which insulted nobody. Alright.
You insulted people by saying their very existence is a political agenda.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160155#Comment_2160155
Good news
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/NSWPJFKE7BPL/20210504-090223.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/H49MB81YQHLW/screenshot-20210504-021035-com-twitter-android.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/NDI1NSKFFV4C/screenshot-20210504-021001.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/G5S3DFDE4IRL/screenshot-20210504-020858.jpg
First we get may be in the form of skins but something is better than nothing.
So now absolutely nobody can complain that they'd be the "token gay character".
Stan CryptTV
Great to see, thanks 💙
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https://twitter.com/deadbybhvr/status/1271526607828779009?s=21@Freddo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160027#Comment_2160027
You wanna show a source for that info?
This should actually be the end of all discussion for LGBTQ+ inclusion in DbD…
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160107#Comment_2160107
Ah. I see. I get "special treatment" because I'm a straight white male, and the only way to change that is to force the game to have an equal amount of everything else. As I said, identity politics and forced diversity. Next time you see me demanding more straight white males, gimme a call.
This is going in a very unpleasant direction. I can't believe that I'm unable to even play a game where killers stalk survivors without having to be lectured about privilege. Be who you want. Celebrate who you are. If you're LBGT, cool. If you're a hardcore Libertarian, cool. If you're a black woman in a wheelchair, cool. But quit making demands of everyone else to cater to your specific identities under the umbrella of "diversity" and "tolerance". This goes for gays, straights, whites, blacks, men, women, everyone. It's a ######### video game. Be happy that exists, play it, and leave politics at the door. This isn't a world demographics simulator.
I'm leaving the discussion now before it gets worse.
no one even mentioned your skin color or sexual orientation but you??
people are asking for equal treatment and you feel attacked. Killers stalk survivors and those killers and survivor do have well-established lore. It would be stupid to exclude LGBTQ+ when we already have sexuality and self-identity included. It would be different if those were not present. But you never had any problem when those were added, even though your arguments could be used against those as well.
please take your time and self-reflect your stand and try to view it out of a different perspective.
(also i am not accusing you of being homophobic, but I ask you to try and be more open-minded and don’t treat any inclusion as a personal attack against you. It is not.)
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@miketheratguy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160103#Comment_2160103
Asking for LBQT "representation" is asking to be singled out for one's identity. It's not necessary.
It's no different than a Muslim saying "there should be a positive role model Muslim survivor".
It's no different than saying "there should be a persecuted Mexican border crosser".
It's identity politics. It's not being satisfied with what's on offer unless something is included that caters to one's own specific beliefs, agendas, or personal politics. I reiterate, there's enough of that in this world and most people are sick of it. I couldn't care less if any of the characters in the game are gay, bi, trans, black, brown, white, yellow, Liberal, Conservative, Christian or Atheist. I DON'T CARE. It doesn't effect the game, nor should it. These types of considerations are usually only requested by people who can't be happy unless they force others to include viewpoints that they (the people making the request) happen to align with. It's annoying.
Asking for LGBTQ+ representation in a game that already has multiple heterosexual relationships mentioned is only asking for equal treatment.
so stop with your labeling. It’s not the same as asking for Muslim rep because we have no inclusions of any religious chars at all (except maybe Plague. But that’s not an actual religion of the real world. And the devs have already stated they don’t want to add ‚real‘ religion)
if you actually don’t care you wouldn’t care. But you are heavily against it while you don’t seem to have a problem with the already included heterosexual relations.
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@miketheratguy said:
No character should be defined by their sexual orientation. Peoples' personal agendas invade enough of daily life, I like to play video games to get away from them. The Blight may be gay. The Plague may be trans. The Demogorgon may be heavily into amputee porn. I don't care. I don't want to know. It isn't necessary.
I don't want to see a LBQT killer any more than I want to see a BLM killer, a Trump supporter killer, a pro-life killer, a pro-choice killer, a sanctuary city killer, a white supremacist killer, etc etc etc etc etc. I don't want nor need to have divisive modern-day identity politics applied to the characters in my games for the sake of "inclusion" and arbitrary forced "diversity". All I care about is how they were killed and what made the Entity choose them.
So.. what’s your opinion of Zarinas and Yuis backstories? Or Neas archive lore?
also why is being LGBTQ+ political at all? No one was asking for an political activist that fights for LGBTQ+ rights, you realize that’s a difference?
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@Dickslinger said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160083#Comment_2160083
But this isn't a game where that matters. If you think this is a horror game, then you might not understand this, but:
1.) The devs don't keep their promises. Most people who play this game know this.
2.) This game is not horror. It has horror characters in it, but it's not really horror, and even Cote has said this.
3.) Sexual orientation isn't important. It has no effect on your gameplay whatsoever.
I said it is horror themed. And with all the horror licenses (where sexuality is a very big topic in almost all of those licenses) i don’t think that’s a wron statement at all.
1.) If they promise something it’s okay to at least expect it to be delivered.. (Ben though I think we should let them take their time and don’t rush it)
2.) see above. Horror themed, as I said. Even Cote said it’s the ‚Walk of Fame for horror‘
3.) it’s not important. That right. But that applies to literally everything mentioned in backstories and lore. Including heterosexual relationships. Your point?
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@Sleem said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160072#Comment_2160072
I wasn't taking sides, I was just asking why. But I'm not going to be a part of this argument/debate. Have a good night everyone.
I… just gave you an answer though…?
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@Dickslinger said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/247177/lgbtq-survivor-killer-when
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/247177/lgbtq-survivor-killer-when
Can you stop? It's a goddamn video game. Sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with it.
Before you call me homophobic, just know that I'm gay.
This videogame has multiple mentioned heterosexual relationships mentioned in the lore as well as plenty of other stuff that’s not relevant for the gameplay.
also it’s definitely horror themed and the horror genre was always heavily influenced by sexual topics.
also the devs have already confirmed they want to be inclusive and have LGBTQ+ representation in their game.
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@Sleem said:
Not to be rude or homophobic but... Why? This a game where killers chase survivors before they escape. This is all... pretty strange.
we have a super diverse cast of characters, almost non of the backstories/lore is in any way relevant to the gameplay mechanics. There are also multiple mentioned heterosexual relationships.
why should anything LGBTQ+ be excluded when we have all that already in the game?
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160056#Comment_2160056
Matching clothes/cosmetics doesn´t mean that they are a couple.
I didn’t say that though?
i said it’s implied in the description of those cosmetics..
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@Bumbus said:
Old lady Bubba is already there, WDYM
@Demogorgeouse said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160049#Comment_2160049
I mean he trans, but its a licensed killer
Bubba isn’t trans, he is just wearing different clothes/faces for different occasions.
it’s not even certain that he understands genders at all..
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@Pulsar said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2160022#Comment_2160022
Where was that confirmed?
It wasn’t 100% confirmed but they have both matching cosmetics that imply it in their description.
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Jake is definitely overdue.
and wasn’t there talk about Halloween licenses getting renewed? Maybe we got something for Myers and/or Laurie for tomes.
Otherwise Quentin, he is super unlikely but I just want more (any) cosmetics for him.
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Average player number increasing is a proof for players leaving the game?