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@Saikotenshi666 said:
And this goes especially to killers. The survivor side has such a big change. Nearly every meta perks were nerfed, you need longer for a gen, Thanatophobia has more impact now, Pain Resonance is still good, Overcharge has much more impact than before, they changed the enduring/deep wound so you can't take 2 hits (Yea, with Mettle of man is it possible, but how many times this will gonna happen. We can all agree that it shouldn't be that much).
In my last few games (Should be 17-20 games since the newest patch) I got 4 killers who play normally. The rest were only toxic, were tunneling, were facecamping, toxic in the endgame chat.. For no reason. No gen rush, no toxic looping or toxic behaviour.
It's only frustrating to play survivor. I play killer too and I only noticed that survivor are trying out something new. I played 10 matches and there wasn't such a big toxicity. (Yea, just 10 games, but 40 other player. This should be included). I know it's an unpopular opinion, but Dead Hard is still good. More situational, but still useable if you time it correctly. And you gain more distance. I still get value of DH. With DS too, but only just because the killers are tunneling harder than before. But Iron Will isn't useable anymore, I agree with that.
I just hope this will change until the next chapter. Just because of some changes that everyone evolves into tunneler and facecampers, more than before the patch. It has reached a new lowpoint
Congrats, your post makes you part of that low point now. See how it works both ways?
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Never gonna happen
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@Tiufal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3094702#Comment_3094702
Kinda fun how killer try to justify anything that's in their favor, and deem anything else as toxic. Society loses all kind of ethics for as long as it benefits themselves.
Provide examples or just stop wasting our time. You aren't making a point.
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@Anara said:
You are wrong.
The meta has changes. Ive seen a lot of Overcharge, Call of Brine, Dragon's Grip.
And I saw a lot of chase perks not much used before.
This patch is a blessing.
Jolt being big on k1 killers too. OP seems to think killers were never going to run slowdown perks again. That's silly. I for one love the flexibility I have between WHICH slowdowns I use, as well as chase and aura perks. Those things will always be necessary but my builds look more diverse than ever on both killer and survivor.
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@Tiufal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3094681#Comment_3094681
Preventing a hooktrade isn't toxic. But I guess this is that legendary killer hypocrisy.
Wrong. I won't speak for OP, but off the record is designed to keep you from being tunneled. If you want to use it offensively like the old BT body blocks, don't be surprised if you get tunneled or prioritized for the tactic. You have a right to play however you see fit, but if I suspect you're playing dirty I'm happy to return the favor.
Is there a problem?
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@ChiSoxFan11 said:
Before the update had hit, I'd compiled a list of 250+ survivor matches I played, both as part of a SWF of different sizes and as a solo. My escape rate across all types of matches was in the 60% ballpark, with there not being a huge difference between my solo games and SWF ones.
Since the update, I haven't kept those records (I honestly should have). I HAVE kept a closer look at my solo games, however, and my escape rate in those matches has been a nice, solid 50% (11 escapes in 22 matches). In 15 of those 22, all 5 gens were completed, and in 2 of those that I died that the gens were all finished, I made stupid mistakes in EGC that cost me what should have been 2 more escapes (which would have left me with a 59% escape rate, right around what I was averaging before the update). Playing SWF, the matches have gone about the same -- right around a 50% escaoe rate overall (last night's matches as a 2-person SWF were 3 out of 8 escapes, but 2 of those were matches that our random teammates threw and could easily have been escapes, while 1 was a Plague that caught everyone off guard with Devour, even though we still managed all 5 gens getting done).
Survivor play has definitely been more challenging, but not anywhere near impossible. There have been a LOT of matches where really bad plays by random teammates have resulted in a loss, where someone DC'ing early for no reason has put the team at a huge disadvantage, or a handful where I've just played poorly and paid for it. Two of the losses in solo came against a bugged and currently killswitched Clown, so that may have played a part in those games going the way they did as well.
My experiences only -- obviously, others may vary.
I'd be killing it right now if people didn't DC or suicide on hook. I'm around 40 percent escape, maybe 50, which is roughly the spot BHVR wanted to see. Update has been great and I've played more survivor than killer this patch (I'm a killer main)
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@Tiufal said:
So hooktrading is fine, cause the killer benefits. Right?
Sure. I think he's just saying make it hard for killers to be nice and they just won't be nice. Act toxic get toxic etc
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@Cleverotter said:
I’ve heard some rumors that some survivors are so pissed at the changes to their PRECIOUS dead hard, they are killing themselves on hook on purpose to inflate the kill rates.
That's just an excuse because "I'm a baby and I rage quit when I don't get my way" is too embarrassing to admit.
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@Confused_Senpai said:
I was a day one player, achieved rank 1 both killer and Surv, and used to play with my friends and wifey. This game used to be so much fun to play and now all my friends are leaving, my wife doesn't want to touch the game and I can't blame them with the current state of everything. This patch was a mess in a lot of ways and once again just showed the incompetence of BHVR's Balancing team. Solo Q is a disaster as it's always been, the games just stopped being fun, it's no longer fun on the Surv side for obvious reasons and it's no longer fun on the killer side when people run to you to be hooked and sacrificed. The devs have made a mess of the whole game in general, anyways I wish you all the best to those sticking around and may the entity favor your future games.
I you don't have to post a farewell message when nobody knows who you are and doesn't care. Just go. Don't need a manifesto.
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@ashtonisfarout said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3094170#Comment_3094170
Does it really look like it's good for the game? Of course not, but that doesn't fit your narrative. There are literally hundreds of posts stating otherwise. It's 2017 all over again when the game almost died. This time it might not come back.
Gove everybody what they want. No game would ever have nerfs again lol.
No thanks
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@Lyonic said:
I appreciate that trapper got the ability to carry an extra trap but still feel he is very weak compared to the likes of nurse, blight etc.
How would you bring trapper up to their level?
Would you include any addons as basekit?
Starts with all his traps in hand, cannot step on his own traps. These two changes make him more viable for both new AND more experienced players.
Also his traps should instadown.
And if someone gets caught in 2 traps they are automatically sacrificed to the entity.
Traps should have larger radius of effect not just a tiny spot to step on.
Traps should inflict mangled and hemmorhage if someone escapes them.
Trapper should be able to move at 150% for x seconds after setting a trap.
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@Slaymore said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093709#Comment_3093709
I see someone who has a valid opinion and someone else trying to put them down because they disagree. It's about perspective.
No it isn't
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@Rogue11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093663#Comment_3093663
Because dead hard was the only thing changed in the patch notes last week, right? Right??
You're right. NOED and ruin were gutted too and you don't hear killers whining about that. They were long accused of using those perks as crutches. Some of us are just a little thicker skinned and aren't used to getting our way every time we cry on the forums.
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@fixdeadhard said:
Everyone seems to agree that solo survivors got destroyed with the last update (which is a fact).
A lot people are suggesting to buff solo survivors next patch such as giving more info with the ui. These solo buffs WONT CHANGE A THING.
The TOTAL game balance has been completely destroyed. Longer gens + faster m1 cooldown + shorter survivor sprint + faster bloodlust + endurance stacking removed + the ultra high survivability that DH gave to survivors is gone. They all work in synergy. the killer snowball effect has changed to an avalanche that happens the moment the first survivor is found. SWF was never the problem, seal team 6 SWF were, as well as killers that cry about getting beaten 1 game against normal SWF right after they 4k'd 10 games in a row.
With this patch SWF even feels completely trash, its just, not fun. (pls main killers refrain from typing "No FuN Cuz yOu cAnT buLly AnYmOre?" i dont care about bullying killers, i just want to enjoy the game like before.
Devs seem to be so out of touch and dont understand that we want balance and not a horror game that we should expect to die as survivor most of our games.
Cant wait for next patch where they change gen times from 90 to 89...
plz devs, understand "synergy"...
You're completely wrong
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@Laluzi said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3093673#Comment_3093673
And I hate when people go around compulsively negging for no other purpose than to start #########, but we can't always get what we want.
Anyway, Gas Heaven: I love the convenience store for meme purposes, and also how the garage gen serves as a bottleneck and survivor trap until it gets repaired. But I hate the Great Wall of Cars to the south and east that make the map far larger than it actually is.
Hurrrr durrrrrr
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@acharliet said:
My question is why some survivors still using self-care, they even dont run botany knowledge with it. Just self care.
First of all, you should have given your title more information. The title of your post should have read "Why are survivors still using self-care?" not just "self care". Be descriptive in your post if you want meaningful discourse. Secondly, you haven't given any information to us. You just assume everyone agrees with your point of view. You seem surprised that people still use self-care. Why? What is your position? You clearly must think using self-care is a bad thing, but since you won't tell us why, you're relying on the reader to do ALL the heavy lifting here. You basically came to the forums, took a squat in the middle, and crapped out a nice glistening mudpie which you titled "self-care" and expected us to run amok discussing the finer points of the perk.
Use your words like a big boy and start a real conversation or piss off.
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@konchok said:
Overcharges regression continues even after the generator has been tapped. Effectively giving a ruin like affect without a totem.
I'm also pretty sure the effect stacks with regression. So for example, if you were to have the effect active and the jolt hit the generator, it would be regressing at 175 percent. 100 percent from jolt and 75 percent from overcharge.
You saying you want to replace Overcharge with a new perk called Killswitch? Kicking a generator regresses it to 0%.
Sounds good, pug. Ship it.
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@MommyHunktress said:
got a horrible huntress and yet i just couldnt focus on how to loop her for whatever reason so i went down, yui was behind my hook and could save while huntress had hatchet aimed at me and yui was safe but instead hid around my hook and saved me after i was already second stage and then huntress tunneled me so I dc, out of anger. then i decide ill try another match its what i need to expect at low mmr since im playing with a friend who doesnt have much skill, get a plague with thana, pain res, jolt and ruin and refused to chase me in an area with nothing to go BACK to the hook and 1 for 1, so I quit and am done for the night. I can't play killer and i cant play with my normal friends because the low rank killers are insufferable and run these slowdown perks and crap, the fact i HAVE to play solo just to get decent matches where people still suck but at least they dont run all slowdown.
If you run all slowdown now of all times... you need some help man, thats the most EASY win in the game, all slowdown regardless of nerfs is just too strong against solo, yeah mmr is wonky but still this is very unfair for the worse players. killers have it too easy if they are allowed to stack slowdown on 90 second gens. thana can make it 120 and if people heal it still takes longer and if they heal the killer can have less pressure on them, this update was well needed, but gen slowdown stacking should not exist anymore.
short story short we need to not allow certain amount of certain perks, thats a balance change we need
I see a low level survivor with very, very limited game knowledge pretending she knows what's best for the game.
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@Cleverotter said:
I’ll start.
I weirdly like the hook spawns on the swamp maps. It feels really rewarding getting one of those corner hooks they only seem to spawn on swamp.
One thing I dislike about the swamp maps is how hard it can be to see scratch marks.
I hate when people think of something they want to share on the forums, so they pretend to ask a question purely so they can "i'll go first". it's transparent and cringey.
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@johangpx said:
Since the new update i loose a lot. Am i the only one?
Do people see what i mean 100 x level 50 up to reach goal 100 is work for years. In the old system you where done after 3 x level up?
perks are bad
gens are slow?
At the end of the game dbd did you have fun? press the first dot if you agree even the game was good.
Thanks for replying
Please learn the difference between the words "lose" and "loose" so you don't sound like a 5th grader.
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@Bearded_Owl said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/771K3XGCC60P/30-games.png
I play both sides, this sheet has no bias, it's just information.
I do NOT have low MMR, I have thousands of hours playing as both killer and solo survivor.
I will admit, the killers I've V.S. recently have been very mixed.
On a personal note as a solo survivor, if you bring self-care in the current meta, don't complain games are too difficult, you're the reason the games are hard for other survivors.
As a killer, I encourage all survivors to bring self-care, it's a good time investment.
I'll post again when I reach 60 games :)
Feel free to ask me anything :)
Thanks for answering my question no need for the attitude Karen
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Ok
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@Sunkisses_ said:
Is this satire?
No I think OP really believes he wins 99 percent of his games with this useless "guide"
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I played skill check doctor build with overcharge, and I'm a doctor main so I know how to handle myself. I identified my 3 gen early on and got control of the game, just shocking people into madness and only hooking when it was an incredibly easy chase. I could have made that game last all day.
I had a good time making people insane.
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@Tactrix said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091899#Comment_3091899
You saying "more people are playing it" means nothing to anything, because you have 0 data to back that statement up. As where I've shown the data that proves that you're 100% wrong, so go cry on all your other threads.
I referenced steam charts and you referenced nothing at all. What are we missing?
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@evancalgary said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091916#Comment_3091916
console players can just play better games most people play this game on Xbox game pass and just quit after this update for better game pass games
LOL
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@evancalgary said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/337166/data-doesnt-lie-proof-dbd-is-dying-fast
this honestly surprise me but then again it doesn't show console data time will tell
That doesn't matter. This is a representative sample. No sound argument can be made for a potentially huge discrepancy amongst PC and console numbers with respect to this patch.
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@Tactrix said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091695#Comment_3091695
In this patch specifically the data shows that people are leaving in droves, from the actual drop % data to the genuine drop in positive on the steam game store. Of course you think DBD is a success, you're a killer main. So of course you're gonna say everything's good, just like you do on every other thread.
lol you don't know ANYTHING about the data "in this patch specifically". Literally more people are playing on a random Monday than in month averages in the recent months. While I expect that number to dip, it's an excellent data point. People are playing the heck out of this game whether you cry on the forums or not. That invalidates your opinion. You can whine about how unfair the patch was but the numbers look fine.
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@Gindaen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091433#Comment_3091433
Yeah,
I don't understand why people are even using Steam to prove or disprove DBD is failing. Only a small number of DBD players are on Steam, so to me, it just seems useless for pulling data.
I don't even know if you can use it as a sample because it's a homogenous group of computer players. Do computer players have the same behaviors as console players. I don't know.
In statistics, quality assurance, and survey methodology, sampling is the selection of a subset (a statistical sample) of individuals from within a statistical population to estimate characteristics of the whole population. Statisticians attempt to collect samples that are representative of the population in question.You will learn a lot if you read this. It will make you better at debate and it will help you understand data a little more.
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@Gindaen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091433#Comment_3091433
Yeah,
I don't understand why people are even using Steam to prove or disprove DBD is failing. Only a small number of DBD players are on Steam, so to me, it just seems useless for pulling data.
I don't even know if you can use it as a sample because it's a homogenous group of computer players. Do computer players have the same behaviors as console players. I don't know.
I don't think you're very good at sampling.
It's a smaller number than console players, but it will be an excellent representative sample. There will not be large changes in PC vs console behavior from patch to patch. So when you see a sharp rise or decline in steam charts, you can assume you'll see the same basic rise/decline in overall players. You can see this when you look at various chapter releases and anniversary events.
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@pseudechis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091429#Comment_3091429
ominous... see you in the fog.
But not if I see you first eh.
(should probably curb this one as out of context it aint lookin' too good).
It would be pretty hard for someone here to forget the context. Anyway I'm excited at the idea of you dragging your near death body to the closest exit gate!
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@Tactrix said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/337166/data-doesnt-lie-proof-dbd-is-dying-fast
You're right, Data doesn't lie. This game has lost 20k players peak since 2021. And 16k peak since last month. But you said you want data right? Here you go. 96k peak in June 80k peak right now. https://steamcharts.com/app/381210#All
You did it! You delivered the death blow!
Except, so what? People are crying about this patch specifically, and 2021 data doesn't matter to me at all. No game stays popular forever. I think dbd is a fantastic success. Anyway we are talking about the crying over recent updates not a games overall arc
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@amazing_grace said:
That was amazing. Thank you for sharing. Feels great knowing that some killers can see when survivors are trolling other survivors.
100 percent as a killer main, I'm looking for any reason to switch it up. And if I see a survivor being a punk, the game objective changes. Now it's how do we make him pay and let everyone else max their points and escape
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091599#Comment_3091599
Again, where? Please timestamp in my video where I said "if you don't like being tunneled, maybe you dont like the game." You keep repeatedly making stuff up. Please stop.
I'd let you spit on me IRL just so you know.
100 percent agree
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@AnchorTea said:
I have respect for scott and he's a funny man. This opinion though has been the toughest take ever. I don't think most can get on board with it.
@Gindaen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/337158/scott-junds-take-on-being-tunneled
The fact that a solo queue player is forced to use half his perks on OTR and DS just so he can de-incentivize tunneling means that solo queue players only have 2 slots to use for everything else they need. That's a sad state of affairs for solo-queue.
I disagree. Taking 2 perks to safeguard yourself from the woes of soloqueue PLAYERS is fine (note I said players. You're safeguarding against scummy teammates who dont care about you, not the game, not the killer). That's fine with me. When I play soloqueue I know when I'm going in with an altruistic build vs a self-serving one. I'm willing to accept the risks. It's not BHVR or a killer's fault that your teammate would rather hide in a locker than body block or help you off a hook. Also, I don't ever bring DS and OTR. I bring OTR as my safeguard because an 80 second protection is insane and lets me do whatever I want as my next action.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091551#Comment_3091551
People are still playing yes. Where is the stats showing the enjoyment though?
LOL imagine a bunch of miserable people logging in and spending their free time doing something they hate.
The numbers drop when people aren't having fun, genius.
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@Aneurysm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091350#Comment_3091350
Fair point, I apologise @Marigoria
u guys gonna kiss now
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@Rogue11 said:
Too short of a span to say. Lots of more casual players probably haven't even played the update to form their own opinion. As for me, I'm suffering grinding through the rift and then dropping the game for a few weeks.
New rift, AoT skins, coming off the anniversary, summer with schools being out, all favor the game having high numbers right now.
Wrong
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@pseudechis said:
Nice bait click 👍️
You got some very disgruntled posters with it, whom seem very disappointed to not have another doom and gloom echo chamber to feed.
I've had some fun but went camping instead over the last week so haven't played for a bit.
But I'm back, so now there is 50'001 players.
I can't wait to kill you!
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@ShinobuSK said:
Is 50k a lot or not? I dont get it lol
Oops. It's on its way up. Higher than most months averages and it's just a weekday
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091316#Comment_3091316
Maybe stop feeling so much, it leads to assumptions.
He's saying feel because he recognizes he's giving you an opinion. Most people on the forums act like their word is tempered fact.
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@[Deleted User] said:
Eruption needs a timer in the worst way, or the incapacitated status needs to not be a thing. Putting a player in timeout for 25 seconds on top of 10% regression is absurd. It completely eliminates the need for game sense in the late game. Take any chase you want as long as you've kicked the gens in the 3 gen.
The Call of Brine/Overcharge synergy is way too much. I've had to do gens 2 or 3 times over because of these perks.
Id argue it works great if the survivor is stupid enough to bang his head on the same gen over and over. Maybe you should have switched it up and ran the killer for a bit.
Working as intended
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Keep it civil. Final warning.
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@Emeal said:
Ill be honest, you got me.
It's over some people's heads!
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@Marigoria said:
What are you trying to prove with this thread exactly?
Prove? Nothing. Nothing gets proven on internet forums. But there's a lot of doom and gloom about DBD from angry survivors who blame everyone else for their troubles, and I'm reminding people the game looks plenty alive and well. Thriving even. The changes were good, and the number of players supports that claim. Supports. Not proves.
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@ChiSoxFan11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3091078#Comment_3091078
I misunderstood an earlier post of yours then. My apologies.
nope same page, just disagreed with how the guy got there.
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@ChiSoxFan11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3090827#Comment_3090827
Of course you did, lol. When you don't want to have a serious discussion, saying things like that is an easy way to concede that point. 👍️
In fact, she does have the lowest kill rate -- the devs have confirmed this. If playing against a Nurse is impossible to win against every Nurse player, her kill rates would surely be higher. They're not because most people can't play Nurse well, if at all, and the Supaalf's in the game -- much like the survivor with the 300 and 500+ escape streaks I mentioned above -- are the exception, not the rule.
Again, if it helps you to avoid that pesky "reading", here are my positions:
1) It's a hell of an achievement by one of the best players in the world
2) It's not something just anyone can do, since Nurse is the hardest killer on the roster to master
3) Using Supaalf as the barometer for how something should be balanced in the game is foolish, since balancing anything around the top 0.1% of anything is ill-advised.
Again, I'd like to hear what part of those 3 points you disagree with.
ETA: You've also ignored how I'm in agreement that some things -- specifcally Omega Blink Nurse currently in the game -- need to be looked at and addressed. But anything that doesn't fit the clean narrative someone wants to preach can be ignored, I guess.
Exactly. I also think nurse needs to be nerfed. I just reject the logic that Supa's streak is justification for it. He's on another plane.
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@ChiSoxFan11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3090856#Comment_3090856
You didn't actually address my exact three points -- and the three poitns I made, none of which did I reference Dead Hard or its nerf in -- so .... ? :confused face:
I made three statements that should be pretty easy to either agree with or to disagree with and politely explain why you believe they're inaccurate. If you want to talk about Dead Hard, there's numerous other threads where that can be discussed.
Whoosh
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@Bearded_Owl said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/771K3XGCC60P/30-games.png
I play both sides, this sheet has no bias, it's just information.
I do NOT have low MMR, I have thousands of hours playing as both killer and solo survivor.
I will admit, the killers I've V.S. recently have been very mixed.
On a personal note as a solo survivor, if you bring self-care in the current meta, don't complain games are too difficult, you're the reason the games are hard for other survivors.
As a killer, I encourage all survivors to bring self-care, it's a good time investment.
I'll post again when I reach 60 games :)
Feel free to ask me anything :)
Why do you think this matters
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@CEO said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/6GTSG41318LU/schermopname-28109-29.png
for people who dont know what shes saying something about "at least 1 guy didnt escape"
but that 1 guy wasnt trying to escape he just wanted to do the glyph and she smacked him so the man couldnt finish the glyph but he didnt run he just tried again and she just smacked him again and then hooked her like bro its nothing to be proud of lol (love the mindset tho)
Thanks for this story I guess