Detective_Jonathan
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The Entity only cares about itself, no one and nothing else.
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Scorching summer is the best for me, it feels like you're watching the intro to some standard horror movie, Darkness among us is pretty cool as well.
However, the one i don't like would have to be Clown and the current one, they just seem so bland and uninspiring.
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@IronKnight55 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/420501#Comment_420501
No, I disagree. They shouldn't be banned just because they didn't check the forums. I didn't even know this forum existed until a few months ago. They need to hotfix the addons or disable them for now.
@Dustin @IronKnight55 and @lasombra1979
To be honest, i could care less about whether they didn't know or anything, they can tell that to the people they did it to in the post-game chat or whatever, either way. It is bannable, and there will be no disabling of the add-on, sorry not sorry.
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@Carpemortum said:
@Detective_Jonathan On the Forums. But we're talking about in game. The people who DON'T come to the forums or Reddit. They will absolutely miss it because they dont come here to begin with.
Oh oh oh oh ok. Makes sense, but yea know they should still be banned, Yea i know it's a bit harsh, but they should be aware of the things going on in the community.
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@Delfador But you have to realize that it is in a big red box, no one would be able to miss that, even i saw it lol.
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@KingB said:
I would be willing to bet nobody gets banned and the devs are just trying to discourage the use until they fix it.
Wanna test that? lol since you have your doubts, then go ahead and use the add-on and see what happens, All 4 survivors will report you and then when you make a thread saying how you got banned and didn't know you would get banned, i'm going to take a snippet of your comment, and will reply with that.
Have fun
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@Swiftblade131 said:
Did you all see the new Clone Wars trailer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7RZFgiQSgI
Hype!
Please keep other threads seperate from the one being discussed, if you want to talk about starwars, please make your own thread about it. Thank you :D @Swiftblade131
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If i had Legacy i would probably be going all out and wearing the whole thing, because that was a sign that you knew the game and how it worked, and also that you were going to be the main aggressor of the group.
While having prestige meant that you were going to be semi-aggressive, having a full Legacy outfit meant that you meant business and that you wanted to fight the killer and save your friends.
When you had Legacy, you were the protagonist of that group.
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I liked how the game looked back then, environmentally and everything, now it just looks like a potato.
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@LCGaster A short film you say? I had the same idea to make a cinematic universe of the whole thing about the killers origins and such. With a TV show showcasing the survivors before they were taken.
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Achievements are Achievements, don't care who you played to get them, i as well got Adept Legion last year.
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If Moonwalking isn't an exploit as people say, then neither is Pallet Looping.
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@Soulslayer618 Let me see if i can crack this one.
While the devs have stated that these were the placeholder survivors for the original 4 we have, i think it's something else.
In the realm of The Entity there are many realms, and in each realm is filled with the people that it kidnapped and forced to play its game. I speculate that these survivors are just 3 of the many more people trapped in the realm, which is why we later are introduced to the characters we follow now when the devs implemented the new intro to the game.
Basically meaning, there are many sub-realms, and in each sub-realm, contains multiple survivors, just like what we have now.
Hope this helps.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418890#Comment_418890
Sounds aren't fine for everyone. Look at all the threads.
I don't remember the name, and I have my doubts about their methods as well. That's why I gave you methods that demonstrably work.
So if i go into General Discussions, you're telling me i would find multiple threads talking about how sounds are bugged.
Your Methods are also questionable.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418878#Comment_418878
Sounds are bugged, so that wouldn't necessarily be the case. Also, the forumgoer who commented this method claimed to have a decent success rate with it. Besides, worst case-scenario, you're stuck in the same situation - about to go into the dying state.
Sounds are perfectly fine, if that were the case, i wouldn't be playing Spirit. Also, who is this Forum user who claims to have success rate with it? And how come no one else has backed him up?
What Rank was he? Was the Legion good or Bad?
These are all questions that i would like answered, so unless you are able to contact he/she, then feel free too.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418834#Comment_418834
Because I'd never thought of No Mither as a counter to moonwalking. The only counter I know that wasn't mentioned in this thread, as far as I could tell, is triggering the chase conditions yourself. It's not like the Legion can see exactly where you are, so you should be able to run around them and force them into a chase. At least, so I was told.
Any smart legion with ears would be able to hear the survivor running up to them in order to begin a chase. They could either turn around and hit them or simply wait for them to appear in front of them and down them. Thinking like that entirely is stupid as your Mend timer is already drained significantly, and all they would have to do is use their power and down you, either that, or m1. Whoever told you that, probably don't know what they are talking about. @Orion
@Tzeentchling9 It wouldn't make sense because no one uses No mither to begin with. And moonwalking Legion isn't even the basis of the discussion to begin as well, it's the bugged add-ons,
Also, in response to your tracking perks, if you are moonwalking to find them, yes, you are exploiting it the same thing could be said for looking down and not chasing them. Same thing goes for Stridor, but it can be countered slightly by Iron Will, and unless you actually have a brain, you should be able to find the survivor as they still make some bit of noise.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418803#Comment_418803
What's your point? The counter is there, is it not?
So why did i take him to say it, and not you. If that is the counter-play then it doesn't excuse the fact that no one is going to be running No Mither 24/7. Thinking that is just stupid. Nor was i talking to you either.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
You said pallet looping was fine because there are perks to help against it. Good thing Survivors have No Mither then, right? Straight hard counter to Bloodhound moonwalking.
How many survivors you see run no mither?
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418730#Comment_418730
I didn't quote you, I quoted someone else. You jumped in to argue for him, so I figured you agreed with him.
No, it's not. An exploit is anything that the developer team (implicitly or explicitly) considers an exploit. We, as in players, have no power in deciding what is or isn't an exploit, because only the developers know what is an acceptable strategy and what is an exploit.
Of course you did, so when you said you weren't talking to me, you probably should have just ignored it and continued talking to the other dude you were talking with.
Anyways, I understand that the devs are the ones that have the say, but considering that they are weak in the communications department, things like that would take time to speak up about. Either way, it's still considered a cheese to get the match going in your favor.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418723#Comment_418723
I'm questioning why someone would report someone else in the first place if they don't think they should be banned. I was also not talking to you when I mentioned reports and bans.
Cheesing is not the same as exploiting.
If you weren't talking to me, then you should probably no quote me then, just saying. @Orion
And to gain an advantage? yes. Yes it is.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418693#Comment_418693
The devs are the ones who have to consider whether something is an exploit or not.
If you don't think exploiters should be banned, then what's the point of reporting them?
Now hold up, i didn't say they should be banned, i said that no one is saying they should be banned, banning them never came out of anyones mouth. Pay attention, we are talking about whether it is an exploit or not, we are not talking about "Whether it is an exploit or not, and should it be bannable?"
And as far as the devs are concerned, they did say that it is a cheese of the chase mechanic, so in a way, they did say that it is an exploit (Moonwalking that is) @Orion
@Tzeentchling9 Well, of course it isn't fair, except in the way you put it is as if i am crying about it or something. But the point is,you can't do anything about it, as there is nothing if a legion is moonwalking you, Myers can be avoided until his power runs out, there's nothing you can do against a moonwalking Legion.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418685#Comment_418685
So everyone who reports a bug they found and unwittingly used to their advantage should be banned?
No one is saying they should be banned, we are trying to debate on whether or not it is considered an exploit, which it is, because the add-ons are bugged, and thus abusing that bug is considered exploiting.
Abusing any mechanic in the game to gain any type of advantage is considered an exploit, nothing else.
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@BBQnDemogorgon said:
Its not an exploit. Neither is Moonwalking
Its impossible to determine intent on both.
@Bbbrian2013 Anything to back both of those claims up?
You can't sit there and say it isn't an exploit and say how it isn't possible to determine the intent about it. The match i was in, this person clearly knew about the bug, because she saw me still mending and still managed to come over and down me, you can easily tell what the intent is.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
So what about all the other stratgies that don't involve blindly following a Survivor through the 20+ pallets on the map? Are those also an Exploit of the chase mechanics?
A low TR killer uses M&A/NC(or silent Wraith, or a Killer with Tinkerer/Dark Devotion) to find a Survivor healing and downs them with a Surprise attack. Exploit?
Seems to me like it's only an "exploit" for Legion because it's works a little better for them than some other killers.
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Myers building up EW until one tap away, then insta downing someone. Exploit?
Myers Building up his Stalk is a legit strategy as it is something i would see him doing if the trials were real, what you're doing is calling every little thing an exploit because you have nothing to back up how it isn't an exploit of the chase mechanic.
Like come on now, it's common sense how someone can see it is an exploit, everything that you listed has a counter play to it. Moonwalking Legion does not. Period.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418594#Comment_418594
Pallet looping has no counter if done properly because the majority of loops are done with the killer in complete sight of the Survivor. Also the Red Stain can be seen through walls for reasons the devs only know.
Spirit Fury requires also Enduring to do anything and only works once.
Survivors have already gotten Bloodlust's numbers nerfed into pointlessness with their whining.
What about stealthy killers who use Nurse's Calling/Stridor to surprise and down healing Survivors? Is that an Exploit of the chase mechanics?
If you are looping a survivor and they are good at said practice, you only have yourself to blame, you have the option to either hit through the pallet and tank the stun, or keep respecting it, thus pro-longing the chase, as the killer, you're supposed to be smart. Not Stupid.
Either way, at the end of the day Legion is being changed, and pallet looping is staying in as it should be, because you have numerous counterplays to it, it's not that hard.
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@Master said:
@Detective_Jonathan Pallet looping has been introduced as a side effect, it only turned into a feature nowdays, but it certainly hasnt been from the beginning (as you can check in the early devstreams)
You can counter moonwalking by losing the killer.
I always smile when survivors claimed that the chase recognition system works perfectly when killers complained about losing bloodlust..... now its a different story eh?
@Master So then how should the survivor lose the killer then? how should a survivor be able to outplay a killer during a chase?
@Orion What is the counter-play, because it sure isn't what you stated earlier, there is no way you can be stealthy the whole game and avoid Legion, he will see you one way or another and will stab you, and if he's smart enough, he would run Bloodhound and track your blood, there is nothing you can do about it.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
"An exploit is cheating through the use of bugs or game design in an attempt to gain an advantage to win or turn the match in your favor."
So by that logic, why don't we just leave the moonwalking "exploit" as is until it's apparently been long enough to be part of the game? Just like pallet looping.
Pallet Looping is a legit strategy that has a counter-play, Moonwalking is abusing the chase mechanic because their is nothing the survivor can do about it.
To leave it in would seriously hurt BHVR and it's playerbase, you have perks to help you deal with pallets and a mechanic to help you in chases called "Bloodlust" since you seem to forget what that does.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418236#Comment_418236
Shows you didn't read the comments.
The add-on stacking is probably considered an exploit by the devs, but moonwalking is not. The devs are the ones who consider what is or isn't an exploit, and therefore moonwalking is not an exploit.
OP says moonwalking is an exploit because it's taking advantage of the chase mechanic (and I think it should be an exploit), but the same argument can be made for looping, which exploits hitboxes and different accelerations.
Rather than accept that the devs are the ones who decide what is and isn't an exploit, OP is instead arguing that the same logic he used to declare moonwalking an exploit cannot be used for looping, because reasons. Double standards all the way.
@Orion Actually dude, if the devs have stated that it isn't then that's fine i'll accept that, but it still doesn't change my opinion about it being one. You are right about running from Them in the first place or stealth, but at the end of the day you're still going to get hit and you're still going to go down because they are either running Bloodhound or any kind of add-on to decrease the mending timer.
@Mc_Harty Is trying to say that even if you manage to get away, he can still track you, unless he's stupid and doesn't know how to walk backwards. I've had a Legion try and walk away and keep an eye on me just to decrease my mend timer and have me go down, it was at killer shack and the pallet was already dropped, i knew there was no option so i just stood there and mended and forced him to come back and resume chase, but it didn't matter because i still went down.
Looping on the other hand has nothing to do with the topic of discussion, Looping does have a counter play, and if you let a survivor loop you to an extent, then you must not be confident in your chase ability.
@PhantomMask20763 Stop lying to yourself ;3
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@Mc_Harty said:
What the ######### are these comments?
Looping's an exploit but causing unintended game mechanics to down a survivor by simply looking at the ground isn't?
5 minute mend times isn't?
This ######### community...
i don’t think they understand looping has a counter-play, while moonwalking as well as 5 min Mend time doesn’t lol
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@TRGraybles said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418197#Comment_418197
So are infinite loops exploiting as well? Or is that considered skill? Refresh my memory on that 'casue the fog's rolling in...
The only thing Deep Wounds does is force you to get better at running and hiding faster, if you can't do that you sir, aren't skilled. As soon as you lose the killer you should heal deep wounds it doesn't take that long and can't even fail with a skillcheck, you waiting until the last moment is why you fail! You call it an exploit because you can't get your priorities straight...
you say that like bloodhound doesn’t exist when a legion hits you and moonwalks there isn’t nothing you can do, that’s abuse of the mechanic, please tell me how it’s not
@Orion if you lose a survivor in a chase, then you lost that chase, if you make a conscious effort to let the survivor go, you have lost that chase pallet looping is something that has been in the game for years and has a counterplay, moonwalking doesn’t
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@yeet said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/418134#Comment_418134
oh you mean like looping?
How is looping an abuse of the chase mechanic? How else is a survivor supposed to loose the killer?
You're not going to just expect the survivor to just throw down the pallet and run off, that doesn't make sense, and besides, eventually you'll be able to catch the survivor and you have perks to help you negate a pallet stun as well as another chase mechanic that helps you gain speed during a chase.
People are always going to bring in looping but you see nothing is being done about it, moonwalking however is an abuse of the chase mechanic because the survivor can't do anything about.
A little thing like looping shouldn't bother a big strong chainsaw wielding killer like you.
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@TRGraybles said:
Moonwalking is a legit strategy, if survivors can 360° evade/body block and use every ######### trick in the book why can't one killer walk backwards to force you to die...
Filthy blade: is an add-on unless they have a black hand offering they can only use it once, suffer through it!
But the Legion is getting a revamp so he probably will get bEhav10r's flakey, dry shillelagh up the ol' ham sandwich because they need to safeguard the whiny survivors some more! It was fun while it lasted though!
Sorry but it doesn't seem like a legit strategy, it seems more like people aren't confident in their chases so they force the survivor to have to go down on their own terms.
@Dreamnomad said:
Moonwalking is NOT an exploit. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand what the word means.
Moonwalking IS an Exploit, it's an abuse of the chase mechanic, which abusing the game to get an advantage. Don't see how hard that is to understand, you are forcing the survivor to go down and you get nothing out of it.
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@Kaelum said:
@Detective_Jonathan tell me where I have tried to redefine what BHVR has declared? The only thing that I have done is correct your inaccurate statements with those from the devs themselves. It sounds like you are trying to troll at this point. Is that what you are doing?
@Kaelum All i said was that it was an abuse of the chase mechanic, making it an exploit. You're abusing something to gain an advantage, like it or not that's what it is.
I feel like you're resorting to saying i am trolling because you don't have anything else to say, no one is changing anything about what the devs say, Mclean himself said that it was something that was not intended. Everyone has stated that it is an exploit. Sorry not Sorry, that's just what it is.
@LCGaster Stop lying to yourself :3
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Been waiting to use this for awhile now.
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@Kaelum said:
@Detective_Jonathan we will have to agree to disagree. It is not up to you to define what is an exploit, and what isn’t. BHVR owns and publishes the game; therefore, it is whatever they declare and nothing else. You can disagree with it, but you can’t redefine it. Sorry
@Kaelum That same thing applies to you as well.
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@Kaelum said:
Actually, “Moonwalking” is not an exploit, and BHVR has specifically stated that it isn’t. It is intended gameplay, that they didn’t originally consider when creating Legion. Use of the blades in the way that you discuss is technically an exploit, but for it to be bannable, you need to prove intent to grief others. Unless the player admits that they are using the exploit, they will not be banned.
While it may not have been intended, it is still an abuse of the chase mechanic, which is using something to gain the advantage, which also has no counterplay.
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@Kilmeran said:
@Detective_Jonathan Oh, and as far as the exploit question: in my opinion, it is a yes and no answer.
If you are someone who visits the forums or reddit or wherever, and are aware that it is a bug, then using it is an exploit because you are clearly using the bug to your distinct game advantage.
If you are just a player who logs in, reads the descriptions, thinks it will help as written, and are not aware it's a bug, then technically you are exploiting, but you aren't conscious of the fact.
The first deserves a ban. The second does not. And since it is impossible to tell which type the player is, that's likely why no one has been banned for it that we know of.
Yea well this person knew about it, So she would probably fall in the first category.
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I only DC simply because i am mad at my own mistakes and i want to get better, it has nothing to do with the killer, granted some would disagree with me, but the only thing i care about in this game is getting chased and how long can i last, which is something that i find to be the only fun thing in this game.
And when i mess up simply because of my own mistakes it's like i am stabbing myself in the gut with a knife.
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Tapp
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You think this is Dark Times? You're funny dude,
Dark Times was so bad back then, even i didn't want anything to do with DBD,
Running Animations were so cringe
Two pallets on either side of a jungle gym
even a pallet at an L and T wall
All 3 windows being open in the garage on wretched shop.
The bus loop never closing
Cow tree being an absolute limbo
Not to mention the infamous Pallet Vacuum.
And you call this Dark Times? That's funny man.
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Ya know what, i think it was a good thing my internet went out today.
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@Kilmeran said:
@Detective_Jonathan I seriously doubt it will be the week of the 23rd since it has to go to PTB first. And especially since they'll want the End Game and Legion changes tested.
More than likely the release will be sometime in May.
Unless you meant PTB that week, but I think the OP was asking about the actual release.
Yea what i was trying to say was that we would have the info released next week, then it would be the PTB next Tuesday or something and then a couple weeks later we would get the actual thing.
Guess i worded it wrong.
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Most likely the Tuesday after this coming Tuesday, because next week they have all the videos for the End Game stuff to explain and such, so probably after those is when the update will drop.
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@Mat_Sella said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/409092#Comment_409092
finally someone calls out the devs for making Adam ashy for no reason. He could be really attractive but he was just done WRONG
I think it's because it's supposed to reflect on his life as a Teacher, that's probably why they did him like that. Not to mention in his lore it kind of states that he was in a cold, catatonic state before being brought in.
So that would explain why he's like that.
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1st post btw.
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@powerbats I honestly didn't think about that until you mentioned it to me, damn that would be so bad if it notified her. whew.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/57126/i-dont-care-what-the-devs-say
You will never know if anyone gets banned or not - we don't tell you any information about that if XY user got banned or not.
Do not report DCs. Associated Community Managers would lose some valuable time which could have been used on other reports. Doing this resolves nothing.
You should probably use those ears and listen for once, i've reported so many people for way worse things than dc'ing.
The moderation team are not going to sit there and do something when they already have a system in place, if you yourself can't handle that, then you should probably get some help or find a new game to play.
Edit: This was meant for OP, don't know why i quoted Luzi but i think i'll just tag him here instead @Tzeentchling9
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I have been pushing for something like this to happen with the devs, but they haven't made any attempt to contact me about my plans for it.
@Peanits Do you thin you could get me in contact with a higher up so that i can tell them about this?