I really do think that BHVR needs to at least address the constant "us vs them" mindset
Ever since Dead by Daylight has been first released, it has been home to some of the most horrible types of players that i have ever seen who call you a bunch of nasty names just because they died or lost in a match which can really affect the mental health of some of the people who play this game on either the survivor role, killer role or both sides in general and i know that the people at BHVR cannot control what players say in endgame chat but i think that they should at least address this unhealthy mindset during a livestream, a short video or a youtube short reminding players that Dead by Daylight is just a video game meant for entertainment and people shouldn't say nasty or extremely vile things towards others.
And as for what they can do for the game in the future, i would really like to have the option of getting rid of endgame chat completely if players wish to do so because there's no reason to have endgame chat open as it's either people saying "ggs" or a player saying really nasty things that can get them banned.
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No. Killer bad. Survivor good.
It is a very emotional game. That is a big part of why it is so successful.
You better have to learn to ignore bad comments as you will always have them. Some people play way to much and can´t stop even if they should take long breaks.
Or just play on console as there is no chat. And that is a good thing.
The hatred between the roles fuels the competition and thus the game. They most likely want it to stay, at least to some extent. You can control what you experience though. You can stay off social media, including this forum. Close the chat. Block messages from strangers if you're on console. Players can reduce these interactions if they're bothering them that much. They just choose not to.
What can they honestly do about it?
Tell people that it's unreasonable to get so angry about your preferred role in the game? Both sides would metaphorically set BHVR on fire for even implying that, nevermind outright saying that.
Tell their content creators to not promote/engage with it? People will cry censorship/call them biased and so on.
Ironically the only people who can fix it, is us, the players and we've made it abundantly clear we don't really care to.
For every 1 person who tries to see it that way there's 100 others who think the game is slanted to one side and the other is full of toxic sweaty and so on and so forth. Simply having an opinion that doesn't align with someone else's experiences makes you wrong and probably biased, "you don't play survivor you don't play killer".
There’s nothing BHVR can do about it. The best thing to minimize the “us vs them” is for everyone to play both roles so they gain an understanding about the pain points of each role and what happens to the experience of one side when they demand buffs/nerfs for the other side. BHVR can’t force people to play both killer and survivor.
End endgame chat? Man I couldn’t imagine. You PC gamers are so lucky to even have the option. But I don’t know how common toxicity is. They have a shared chat on Helldivers 2 and no one ever says anything toxic. Actually people rarely even talk.
i play both roles (60/40 killer/surv) and my take on the tribalism thing is that theres more nuance to it than people rooting for their own team to get buffs
the game demands one side take it seriously whilst the other side is expected to treat it casually, something that's consistently reinforced through balance changes. this is an obvious recipe for discontent. killer players lose to people trying way less hard to win than they are because they get carried by stuff like perks and pallet density, survivor players lose to killers 'sweating' and not holding back/giving them a chance because rhe modern game prompts doing so.
i'm not sure how you bridge that gap. actually expecting survivor players to start taking the game seriously, adopt clean macro and be good at chase to have a decent chance to win seems unlikely, it'll alienate a large chunk of the casual soloq surv playerbase. the alternative would be to simply killer play so there are less decisions and opportunities for skill expression, but killer players don't want that for obvious reasons. the anti everything ptb from a while ago that locked killers into a single gameplan seemed to be a move towards that before it got axed, and imo you see the same with 2v8- it's a vision of the game bhvr wish they had for live imo
I haven't played a ton on Steam but in my limited experience it isn't anywhere near as bad as people make it sound. I've yet to personally see any death wishes or slurs. You might get called useless or a bot. Sometimes there's a lengthy back and forth but it's never really viscious for me. Sometimes people are quite friendly. But usually they say nothing. It's actually kinda disappointing because i like the drama, but I don't get as much as I want. It's made me think the way people are acting in the match is fueling a lot of what's directed at them.
You should equip pride cosmetics and play killer, you will find the death threats and slurs
I don't think the current state of the game expects survivors to treat it casually as you put it.
I do think survivor is the more casual role overall but as you put it - a lot of Killers have adapted and play to win with the strongest stuff, so doesn't that also mean that Survivors have to do the same in turn to keep up?
I know you brought up pallet density and broken perks but the same applies to Killer too, it's not a one way street. Maps being shrunk, tiles being made weaker and more and more Killer powers being anti-loop themed means Survivor gameplay a lot of the time just boils down to "don't take risks/try to outplay; just waste time" and usually that's done with predrops/holding W away from teammates on gens.
Imo it's also worth mentioning that Survivor, while being the more casual role, demands a lot more knowledge on each individual Killer's power, their addons, weaknesses and so on to play against them effectively. A lot of people simply don't have this knowledge because there's nearly 50 killers in this game and you only face each one a few times a month unless they are popular like Blight, Nurse, Kaneki and so on.
I have pride flags on several killers' hooks and survivor cosmetics. Still nothing.
Dead by Daylight is NOT that toxic. People over exaggerate it because of the small group of players that actively go out of their way to be mean and create their own "rulebooks" n such. This exists in literally every game I play, I have probably gotten more death threats and/or homophobic slurs thrown at me in any FPS game than I have in dbd.
They can start by actually banning the people filling the endgame chat with insults and slurs. I feel like if they even did a 1 week ban for that... ppl would stop.
I'm pretty sure a certain degree of "trash talk" is allowed though (FYI not condoning it)
Like saying something like "wow carried by broken survivor perk/killer power" and stuff like that. Insults/slurs do get people banned as long as its reported with proof (Which is time consuming unfortunately)
"Proof" is needed for stuff happening in the match, the chats on the other hand are all easy for them to see. Chat abuse is one of the buttons on the report menu for a reason, so no... i dont think slurs and such is allowed.
I never meant to imply slurs and such were allowed, I'm saying a degree of 'trash talk' is allowed, which is like the example I put in my post.
The stuff with slurs yeah they have logs but I think if you do a proper report with proof, it's a guaranteed ban. Their ban system I believe is an escalating one so the more a person gets banned the longer it gets (Outside of permanent ban offenses like cheating etc).
Nah, they should make that harsher. You have way too many people feeling way too comfortable saying all sorts of crap because nothing happens to them.
Here's about the chat logs too...
It’s not a guaranteed ban, not even close. I’ve reported many people for death wishes, racial/homophobic slurs, etc and not a single report has gotten a response from BHVR. In my experience it’s guaranteed that you won’t get banned for that kind of stuff.
Maybe BHVR did something about this stuff 7 years ago, but they certainly don’t do anything about it today. My multitude of reports with zero responses are proof of that.
I guess our experiences differ. I've submitted tickets before for various reasons (with clear proof) and they almost always got banned for it.
This was a little while ago though so maybe its gotten worse since then?
I got a giggle cuz when I did a search for the chat logs post, THIS was the first thing I stumbled across. The person posting this said it was their first game and its abit more than "you only won cuz of a perk".
It can take them awhile. I got a notification a couple days ago about a report I made, and I legit can't even remember the last time I made a report. I'm on console, so it had to have been for something that happened in a match and it's been a long time since I bothered getting evidence of in-game shenanigans