We Are (Actually) Legion (Legion Overhaul)
Howdy there, mostly killer main here coming to talk to you about a potential fun fix for Legion. Since he is confirmed that he will be getting a rework soon™, I figured I should throw my mask in the ring and suggest something for a potential change.
I've posted the meat of this idea into another one of my discussions, but this is to expand on the idea. I want actual feedback here people. We don't get better without it.
[I am well aware there is a little to no chance that my idea will be used, but I want to at least show what I can think of]
The Legion was advertised as a group of teens and Frank had been shown that, even if once, was able to fool survivors and hide his heartbeat. The trailer was misleading and the only thing dealing with The Legion's multi group function is the cosmetics. I want to change this.
I wish to keep the Legion's uniqueness and add it to their strength. For this, each Legion member will be present in the trial, with you controlling either of the four members (your power is affected by the body cosmetics you choose).
My idea would be that if you have the Joey cosmetic, you start off the trial as Joey, and can then switch between the other Legion members during the trial, who would be sitting in random locations within 64 meters or more from your current position. The Legion members will not attack survivors, but will have various uses which can be affected by add ons.
When I say sit, I mean they'll be able to be seen in idle animations, Susie could be sitting next to a locker while Joey will be leaning against a wall for example. Upon seeing a survivor they can do a few things based on what can be considered fair. I would like that they make a loud noise event, then run out of sight. Legion Members can be seen via different auras. Or just a red/yellow aura for the killer.
Each Legion member can be sorta unique in their own way, having different stats like different terror radius and movement. I will place my idea below on how unique they can be. Bear in mind to compare, I will use 100% as a baseline for something like vault speed.
Frank: He is the mastermind of the group, he knows how to get the job done quickly and efficiently. He vaults pallets at 75% speed. His terror radius is the standard 32 meters, and his movement speed is 115%. He cannot enter Feral Frenzy, though he has a 75% chance of activating killer instincts for 20 seconds upon hitting a survivor. Additionally, he has a 25% chance of randomly gaining/refreshing killer instincts if he already has it active.
Killer Instincts has a cooldown of 45 seconds when activated and playing as Frank.
Julie: She follows Frank in whatever he does. She is slightly more agile, able to vault pallets at 85% speed. Her terror radius is at 28 meters and she moves at 113% movement speed. She cannot enter Feral Frenzy, however her attacks have a 55% chance of giving her killer instincts for 15 seconds. She has a 75% chance of applying deep wounds on a hit.
Killer Instincts has a cooldown of 30 seconds when activated and playing as Julie.
Susie: She will follow Frank since she has no other choice. She is very agile due to her hidden bloodlust, her pallet vault speed is at 100%. Her terror radius is set at 8 meters, and she moves at 100% movement speed. She can enter Feral Frenzy which applies Deep Wounds and grants her the Killer Instinct. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds stuns her. Susie moves tremendously faster with feral frenzy.
Susie vaults at the same speed as she does without using Feral Frenzy. She does NOT get stunned when missing a attack with Feral Frenzy.
Joey: He finds Frank as a friend and will trust him. He is not as agile as the others and cannot vault. However he can break pallets (he breaks pallets 50% faster then standard killers). His terror radius is 28 meters and his movement speed is 114%. He can enter Feral Franzy and can apply the Deep Wound effect. Hitting a survivor already afflicted with Deep Wounds will stun him. He gains the Killer Instinct when hitting a survivor with Feral Frenzy. Joey recovers from double hit stuns quicker using Feral Frenzy.
Joey vaults at the same speed as current Feral Frenzy does now when using his power. He DOES suffer from a stun when missing with Feral Frenzy.
You can no longer break pallets (as Frank, Julie, and Susie) and vaulting will be considered a blood point gain event that gives just as much as normally breaking a pallet. You only get blood points once per pallet you vault. Pallet vaulting of course is faster then breaking the pallet.
Of course I am aware of how complicated this can all be which is why it's only a idea. If I knew how to code then I would definitely beg to apply to BHVR so I could help 
I am also aware that add ons need to change, and if you want I can give a few ideas about that. As for how you switch between Legion members, I guess you can use the activation button when facing a member, and to make it easier the selectable member would be marked in white. The transition could either be the burn effect placed when changing characters in the lobby, or a dynamic scene of the Legion running to that the other's place.
Ultra Rare addons reworked. Here is my idea:
Fuming Mixtape: Dark beats and a unfathomable vocals from another world fuel the listeners with a killer instinct.
All current sitting (idle Legion Members) Legion Members attack survivors who are within 12 meters and within line of sight.
If Susie or Joey are idle while this add on is in play, they will enter Feral Frenzy and attack anyone they can find. Once any of the Legion hit someone, they run out of sight.
If the idle Legions miss an attack, they become passive again and run out of sight.
Iridescent Button: A glass-like button moulded from The Fog that captures The Legion's likeness. The surface is warm and reverberating with The Entity's power.
Survivors who enter a idle Legion's field of view have their aura revealed for 10 seconds or for as long as the survivor remains within sight.
Legion MixTapes reworked. Each slightly buff the Legion member you want to play in some way, while also allowing for the idle Members to attack if you have their Mixtape added in.
Frank's MixTape: Never go on a mission without your tunes. A track list of massive distortions and loud percussions that stab at your eardrums.
When you are in control of Frank, you have a 100% chance of activating Killer Instincts when hitting a survivor.
When Frank is idle, he will have a 50% chance of attacking a survivor who enters his field of view and is within 16 meters of him.
Killer Instinct cool down is reduced slightly.
Julie's MixTape: A dark and depressing mix tape made out from mainly power ballads and gloomy melodies.
When you are in control of Julie, you have a moderately increased chance of gaining Killer Instincts when hitting a survivor.
When Julie is idle, she will have a 50% chance of attacking a survivor who enters her field of view and is within 16 meters of her.
Killer Instinct cooldown is reduced slightly.
Susie's MixTape: A fast and thrilling mix tape with energizing songs and break-neck beats.
When you are in control of Susie, your normal Movement speed is moderately increased.
Your terror radius is slightly decreased.
When Susie is idle, she will have a 50% chance of attacking a survivor who enters her field of view and is within 16 meters of her.
There is a 25% chance when Susie is idle she will use Feral Frenzy when attacking.
Joey's MixTape: A mix of bangin' tracks and slammin' beats for chillaxin' when life's a [Bad Word]
When you are in control of Joey, your Feral Frenzy cooldown is moderately decreased.
When Joey is idle, he will have a 50% chance of attacking a survivor who enters his field of view and is within 16 meters of him.
There is a 50% chance when Joey is idle he will use Feral Frenzy when attacking.
If you want to see a add on reworked for this, let me know. (Dunno why I'm putting time and effort into this, it's not gonna get used... I'm sad now actually.)
TL;DR:
I want the Legion to be one of the more Unique killers by allowing power to reflect lore and cosmetics. Each Legion member would have their own stats and you don't even have to switch between each Legion if you want. The option would be there however.
You can no longer break pallets (with the exception of Joey). Each Legion member has different vaulting speeds that are still faster than normally breaking a pallet, giving them that feeling of being a killer who can imitate a survivor.
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Rework soon, as in the same with Freddy and DS getting a rework soon? If that's the case, we'll be waiting a couple years I guess. I just bought this killer and he's complete garbage. He's even worse than Freddy. It's almost better to just run around the map and not even use his power. Hope this gets fixed soon.
DS is getting a rework around the next patch (thank the Entity in all her malevolent power), Freddy will also be getting a rework. I'd suggest you practice with Legion. I got to rank 1 with them and can get at least two kills, sometimes 3 to 4 if I play like a sweaty try hard.
Anyways, I hope the devs do something to give the Legion some love.
Think they could probally do 1 animation.... any unique map animations would be to cool and also too hard for them. But it also make use of cosmetics worth more if they had some flavour cause legion is only killer with non unique animated cosmetics. I doubt he could get unique cosmetics so making him have own emote going with your idea be welcomed. The only way i could see legion if a rich person got an led mask and joined legion. It probally would be alot harder to make daft punk scary.
Mmm.
Also I added in new content, such as individual Legion Mixtapes.
I have an idea!
The Legion would look like and act like a survivor... They would be able to repair gens (degrades them) and heal others (down them after 2 seconds after healing them)... The legion would have 5 options... 4 of which would be the survivors who he's facing (including the cosmetics) and the other would be Legion... Switching forms would take 6 seconds... He'd have no TR when a survivor but a TR of 32 when Legion... This would confuse the survivors and would keep the survivors away from eachother and it would make it difficult to trust others...
You can pip with legion without hooking a single person, I did that during my depip session, the only guy I killed was with rancor because I like to see the animation, it's so violent it gives me a boner. So getting to R1 as legion is not an achievement.
You sound like someone who only plays survivor and never plays killer. He wants to change legion and if you actually read his post which from your entitled stand point of not wanting to make the game healthier by fixing legion, you probably didn't. He took away some of his brainless chase power adding more counterplay.
When did they say that Legion is getting a rework?
Forgot where, but it was confirmed that he will. Soon(tm)
The thing is I've been trying to get to r1 WITHOUT using any of his 'no brain' tactics. I've played like how I always play with any killer, I chase, I stab, I knock down. If I can use his power in a beneficial way for me, then I use it. I go out of my way to kill people.
So it might not be a achievement for you, but for someone like me it is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though :eh:
Yeah yeah, this could work.
All you have to do is pray you get into a lobby filled with solos and no one else. I tell you, even though my own power through swf is not as good as I would like, me and my buddies would squash this Legion no problem. People had wanted a killer like this for a while but unfortunately, this wouldn't work.
At least you gave something rather then a straight up nerf like you did earlier.
a "no brain" tactic would be stabbing everytime even if a survivor is out in the open. A nobrain playstyle would be never using his m2
Sometimes it's good to chain your M2 for example at a pallet, if you hit somebody in the open ofc you'd go for the regular m1.
Hmmnn. Half the community would disagree with you, then. Cause apparently from what I've heard a 'no brain' tactic would be to just stab and tunnel the same person over and over again or just following the blood. I use the tools at my disposal, if attacking normally is beneficial, I'll regular attack. More people around, I'll use Frenzy. Anyways, I see what you're saying.
And I got no more to add to that train of thought either.
Bump
Changed some wordings in the original post for a smoother read. Mostly for how the effects work.
Honestly I love enjoy legion as killer and as a survouir. I've had really fun games playing and against I have no idea why everyone is hating on them. People say there's no counter but maybe drop your meta perks and think outside the box experiment keep apart! It's the kinda same thing as freddy or seems that way.. can't be bothered to try different play style or different play styles oh no we can just demand changes. I feel sorry for the devs with this kinda mentality ☹️
@Darkskies Don't get me wrong, I love playing as and against the Legion too. However, seeing as how they were getting reworked anyways, I wanted to throw my mask into the ring for my own idea. Which is less a rework and more of a overhaul.
I also want to have a reason to have all four in a match together, so it truly feels like you are up against four killer teens working together.
BTW that's not meant as a horrible comment great job on thinking of changes etc I just don't understand the hate legion gets 🙂
@Darkskies I know ^_^
You and me both on that last part though. People need to learn to adapt.
I foresee comments coming. I think they'll be along the lines of:
"There is no counterplay." "Explain how to counterplay FMT and Moon Walking".
Urgh. I just want feedback on the original post, I put my blood and sweat into it.
I would have had moments when I'm walking around trying to find gens and I see a running survouir I'm like oh great team work! Only to get closer and get a terror heart beat then I'm like oh hey legion! I would really enjoy legion to have a mind game ability to act or micic survouirs. I think that would be really fun and also that's what I got from the trailer that oh we are working together but then to get stabbed I was so hoping for that tbh.Your ideas sound cool I like the idea of all legions being on the map as kinda look outs but doubt they could do swapping sounds like crazy coding plus different elements to them probably to much information going on for the game.
@Darkskies Yeah I know.
I wouldn't mind a sort of stalking mechanic though. However, I feel like that is just a easy way out.
A mori with all four of them involved would be interesting. All four legion members ganging up on the survivor would actually make Legion look like a credible threat.
I would love it if all characters were present in the same match. It might even open up a new possibility of a lore-based mori. Imagine the Legion crowding around a survivor and all stabbing them to death? That would be awesome. I like that you would make the idle characters still interact with survivors, by the way. I don't know if this would be overpowered or not, but coming from a survivor main, I'm not entirely opposed. :)
I don't mind the idea of other legion cosmetics standing around being like spies from the shadows but i think the whole idea is too much. Like base speeds and abilities. I think I'd rather just see them as little Maurices and they can make their own unique sounds constantly. Like Julie can be cackling under her breath, Joey can ask you where you're going or whistle, Susie could be heard kicking her foot and breathing heavy to calm down like she's nervous behind her mask. I just imagine the game having to change so much or the devs thinking so far out the box that newer killers become to foreign compared to older ones if we mess with the legions and make them more than cosmetics.
I know. I just want... SOMETHING to do with them being a Legion. Having some power that complements it. But we all know this is not gonna be used, and besides, it'll probably set a higher standard or something.
But anyways, having the other three being something like little Maurices would be pretty cool.
That would be incredible. Would love to have them each of them included in a mori.
I had it so that the idle members at base kit would only give off an alert. And their mixtapes would allow for them to attack, plus that's what the fuming mixtape is for. Would be interesting to see.
Mm. Yes, all four murdering one poor soul. David King and Jeff would not stand a chance.
It has always troubled with the legion of the idea of one teenager taking on full grown adults, even some as jacked as David.
Yes the legion has a knife (or a ruler with a compass point taped to it), but he or she could easily be overpowered.
I wholeheartedly agree that the entire legion should be on the playing field. They are strong as a unit, not as an individual. A mori would actually show the full power of an entity driven group of psychopathic teens.
I can just never take the legion seriously because of their current state.
Amen to that.
Though to be fair anybody with a weapon can kill or harm a unarmed individual. This is especially the case when that somebody has a ancient being guiding them.
David King could easily tear the Hag apart, she's skinny as a twig. A good punch is all that is needed.
I, uh, made this.
@NoodleLegs I never smiled so hard in my life.
@Shad03 Thx I tried
Edit: I have another one
Devs would need AI for the ultra rare addons which has never been done before which would take a super long time to develop
@Zanfer Could be something simple. And if they would be willing to do this I'll be willing to wait for it. It's not like people wanna learn to adapt to Legion anyways.
But honestly, this is the most complex thing that has graced the forums. I'm fine with something much simpler too.
Yeah of course I am not saying "They shouldn't do it". The problem is there are lots of things that break whenever this game updates. The devs have to spend time on a variety of issues that occur whenever a new killer comes out. Trying to make AI work functional in this game with a lot of variables is difficult. For example: AI idle animations might get stuck in specific objects. Dropped pallets, might get stuck going through windows, etc. Any interaction this AI might do will cause at least one or more bugs when completed. It will take a while, but I also wanna see some love to Freddy too. People say Leatherface needs an overhaul, but I like him the way he is imo.
I am all for a legion change to make him more fun. In my opinion they just need to fix the chase mechanic cause that is the only way half of the legion players down me is by barley looking away and downing you. When the chase mechanic is fixed to where chase would start in x meters away even when the killer isn't looking at you (this would be vertically so if the killer is on the ground and someone is on a second story than the chase would not go on. (This is just a simple change to chase, but I know they can do better than this)
Freddy of course needs love. ANd all Leatherface needs is for his add ons to actually mean something.
The only change, the only REAL change Legion needs, is a longer and faster base Feral Frenzy. With add ons to compensate for it. I honestly feel like a proximity would actually make the situation worse, because I know how people could exploit it. Since it'd become a built in whispers. Plus the chase starting would make things even more confusing. Sometimes I enter a chase and I'm like 'Wait, there is a person here?' And I end up wasting my time.
Yeah true. Built in whispers could be annoying was just trying to think of something on the spot. Also you want legion to have longer and faster feral frenzy since the only one who can break pallets is Joey? The issue that people have with legion is you get outskilled by a killer who has really fast cooldown on missed attacks and really good tracking will always get you hit by frenzy every time. Making the killer go faster with the power will just be more annoying and harder to get away from the current state it is in now.
I meant the current Legion we have now.
As for my overhaul, I am thinking of ways to have balance without being op. Susie and Joey would be the only ones to have Feral Frenzy, but it'd be the same stats as of now.
The only thing this current Legion needs is what I stated. The devs wanted this killer to be a hit and run type, but they failed in giving them the speed/duration to do that. Which is why people exploit them.
I also hope the Pin add ons get reworked -.-
This sounds like it'd be REALLY hard to code and balance, but also be REALLY h*cking cool.
...Also, for the Cosmetic thing, how about without the cosmetics bought, everybody just has standard Legion masks? Instead of the fancy-schmancy crack thing Susie has, she just had a Legion mask, perhaps in a frown to make her different from the others. Joey could have no smile and just bloody big eyes, stuff like that. This could also give Julie and Frank new spicy cosmetics that are just as unique as Frank and Susie's.
@TrashLegionMain
It would be insanely hard to code, and the only balance worry would be reworking add ons to fit the overhaul and the bugs that come with such a complex code.
The thing is, the Joey (his one and only skin atm) and Susie (pink hair) cosmetics are canon, and to deny them having their canon outfits in game would be... Weird.
It would be fun to play against and yes these button ad-dons need to be refreshed clean as a whistle.
Actually make it so Legion makes any ######### sense?! Good! Hopefully they do that.
@Zanfer, yes quite.
@Croquedead I mean, they'd require more thought about who is needed, and they lose some unfair mechanics, but as with all things, people will find someway to exploit the Legion no matter what rework they get.
This topic shouldn't fade into the background as the Legions current rework is almost upon us. It should continue to remain on our conscious as desriable future that is incredibly hard to obtain.
The devs won't tackle such an endeavor because of the simple fact that yes it could be very tedious to code and debug, but also there has to be a significant financial benefit for enacting such an upgrade that would cause them to add new systems to the game. Espcially when it is only a portion of the killer populace that would play as the Legion to begin with.
It would kill me to say that such an upgrade that warrents the use of all four members of the Legion should actually cost the player more to use because that it four individual killers that need to be finetuned and distinct from each other. It would also make sense to make all the characters customizable for that is another possible stream for revenue.
A Legion rework of this magnitude would need to break some established killer rules, but the changes in mechanics can't be tied to cosmetics, in fear of it becoming a pay to win scenario unless blander versions of Joey and Susie were released to compensate. I think though that in order to leave your playable Legion completely customizable that on the perk selection screen there would be the option to change the killer type you would play as on the power box, similar to how survivors change the item they bring in the Legion player would choose which member they would play on this screen.
I for the most part agree with all suggestions for the Legion already discussed regarding variations in the character played and perk abilities, though it the matter of creating AI for the other Legion members of the map would be too complex, simply tying an applied status effect, or aura capabilities seems to be the simplest route to take.
Alright i think i've spoken my fill on a fantasy that may very well never see the light of day. But i refuse to let the dream die! It is such a beautiful concept.
im sorry but legion is still dead and we cant bring them back
@TripleTailSlap I poured my blood, sweat and tears into this overhaul, I'm glad to get it some attention.
I do agree with most of your points, with the coding, debugs, all that.
I don't consider it pay to win, as the only thing you'd be paying for is customizing the current Legion you'd be playing as.
I would imagine you can still switch to Joey or Susie even if you hadn't purchased them. That's if the devs don't mind allowing essentially the ability to own cosmetics without purchasing them.
@friendlykillermain The Legion is not dead, just requires more tweaking.
perhaps they could be resurrected but once ptb goes live its over
Added a little bit of new content.
I would rework pin add ons for this but the only thing stopping me is that I don't know the full names for the common and uncommon pins.
You got suggestions for the other add ons? (If so name them please, makes my job easier.)