Time to admit Nurse isnt hard?
With the increase of Nurse players in the meta is it finally time to admit that nurse isnt actually that hard to pick up now? And honestly she was never even in the top 10 hardest killers to begin with, all they did is lower her skill floor which was the only difficulty with her.
This is just speculation but im guessing if they release new statistics now we'll see her with a pretty higher pick and kill rate.
Hope they just rework her add ons and leave her base kit be though.
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Oh you have her current kill rates? : )
I mean aren't you the one making the point that completely falls apart without any valid statistics to back it up
It might get annoying seeing posts like this over and over but it's a good way to get changes made to the game. If no one complained, then the devs might think everything is fine.
Yeah she got extremely easy after she got smoothed out when she was kill switched. Got the best add ons and now there is no dead hard, her biggest counter.
There is a reason she went from being rare to see to being once every 3 games.
If only I saw Nurse that often. I’d be having a lot more fun matches while also escaping more frequently.
Everything is anectodal till we get stats but how about why her play rate has seen a pretty significant rise lately?
Where do you find stats on that?
Some people just want to play nurse because she is strong and feels decently in control vs a lot of killers that just feel like a theme park attraction for the survivors
Thats good mate, but no one is running dead hard so it doesnt matter.
She didnt just get bug fixed, she got smoothed over. You can hold m1 for instant attacks when blinking, you can reclick and hold m2 to instantly start charging her power when you come out of a blink, you no longer get stunned first and then fatigued (this one was unintended imo so im not complaining about this one).
You can look at all of those as ''bugs'' but no they werent, these are just friggin nice and makes her a lot easier to play. And yes her bugs have been dealt with as well that made her a lot easier to play.
Is it that hard to admit for Nurse mains that these changes made her a lot easier to pick up :)
Well yes she does feel strong because she is strong. I'm a below average killer and i main nurse. Without add ons and only using PR as slow down im winning more than 8 times out of 10. Which is obviously anectodal and its hard to take my word for it when im advocating for some light nerfs on her but honestly, she is easy and she is strong
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
''Everything is anectodal till we get stats''
“[Her] play rate has seen a pretty significant rise lately” doesn’t sound like an anecdotal claim to me. So I was wondering how you determined that.
Buddy if we are going with Dh is pretty high pick rate i think we are maybe too much on copium?
No they ''smoothed her over'' she was more buggy than ever so they kill switched her and smoothed her out for real to the point she felt way better to play.
The only hard thing about nurse was her skill floor. She is no billy or artist, she has a pretty straightforward power power thats easy to understand and with just learning her distances becomes very deadly.
The only real ''hard'' thing about nurse is learning where survivors might go when you dont see them but thats like 1/10 of playing nurse. The other 9/10 is just blinking accurately and thats easy af with little practice.
Nurse is easy af.
That sentence literally says all of these are anectodal, i pointed it out for you a few minutes ago and here we are still on this.
I mean ... Ok buddy? You ... got me?
Yes i know why they kill switched her. It was pretty hard to miss. But you seem to have missed that she also still had blink bug etc. The bug fixes simply havent worked.
Also. Nurses skill floor is incredibly low.
Lol
Artist is very easy.
Lol
Ok buddy : ) Lets just stop, i need air. Oh boy, that was some funny upside down crazies.
Where do you get these pickrate and killrate stats?
Dead hard literally still counters her perfectly lmao, I use it every game. Either the nurse hits my dead hard, or chooses to fatigue on her own.
You are the only one who defends nurse in this sub. Wonder why🤔
Don't want to lose your easy 4k machine?
Wrong. On both fronts.
I was pointing out that nurse still had bugs between her first smooth over and kill switch ... what are you talking about.
Nurse has one of the lowest skill floors. Ah, no further comments on this one. Its pretty hilarious for all to see : )
Even semi regularly injuring or downing people across the map or just very far away with artist is harder than literally anything nurse can do. Artists skill ceiling is so far above nurses that its funny just comparing these two. I think when you refer to artist as easy you are again, mistakenly : ), refering to her skill floor.
Sure its still pretty strong but its pick rate is nowhere near before and its not as easy to use as before. I agree that its pretty strong now and even stronger when you do parry a hit with it. Glad you still use it : )
its cause people are scared to get used to it. It’s honestly easy after you get used to it. Just pop DH while greeding a pallet or faking a window and 9/10 you’ll always get value. It also does very well against killers that have to attack in their power, nurse, blight, oni, etc. it forces them to either abandon the attack or eat the DH.
Another one of the "Buff Nurses" Posts. Don't you get tired of that?
As impractical as regularly getting cross map hatchet shots.
You can of course use artist in a way similar to bubba. That is because her skill floor is pretty low and its easy to be effective with her by just doing the minimum. But again, that is the skill floor. I feel like we keep revisiting this subject
Anyway, you are free to think nurse has the lowest skill ceiling and artist is easier than nurse. Live and let live : )
Another one of these? And yet again with no proof?
Dunno mate, it was the only thing i practiced with her game after game and i got at least a few cross map injures/down pretty much each game.
You can say it only works against bad survivors and i agree. I used to sacrifice 2 let 2 go while playing her and matches werent exactly hard. Still, to me comparing that to nurse is like comparing formula 1 to bumper cars. As impractical as it might be lol
Without seeing updated data on kill rates we can't make any assumptions, especially since so much has changed since that data dropped.
You can bet all you like but you are quoting the kill rates like they are relevant now when they are not.
I don't know if NightLight is any good, but they list Nurse as 4th highest picked and also 4th in kill rate over the last 30 days.
She isn't fine. She needs some nerfs.
What do you mean by hard? Because while she is the hardest killer to pick up, it's really just how fast can you learn the muscle memory. The killer has no real depth, and her skill ceiling really isn't that high. Sure you may have to learn to read survivor's but pretty much everyone else does that too.
The reason the kill rate on nurse is so low is not because she is so incredibly hard, It's because everyone hears how broken she is and then go and play 2 games of her. They then get absolutely destroyed because they have no muscle memory and then give up. I wouldn't call her easy but definitely not hard.
nurse is the one who got LEAST benefit from the buff, I'll laugh if she suddenly got higher kill rates.
I think you should ping sluzzy because apparently that guy is probably easy 4k machine with rather biased opinion.
How do you know, though? You don't. And you continue to make broad statements (like saying "we" when you only speak for yourself) even after I presented data that refutes your statements.
Click here for a link to that data. 4th in pick rate and 4th in kill rate over the last month. Please refute this data if you can. It might not be complete as it requires data to be submitted to it, but at least it's recent.
Fourth in kill rate sounds like three other killers need to be looked at/nerfed before Nurse then. If we’re sticking to that line of thinking. And high kill rates in and of itself does not automatically make a killer problematic.
Addon Nurse wasn't the same experience from when I started maining Nurse in the past, It's easier and I don't need any guessing at all, even with just two blinks I can hit people without line of sight, just as long as the first blink is near the target.
Completely anecdotal. That made me chuckle. The site requires screenshots of tally screens from survivors to be submitted so it's far from "completely anecdotal."
When you say something like: "Before the patch, the last stats to release. They won't have changed because of the reason Nurse's killrate is low, and on top of that, Nurse is more popular now, so I'm willing to bet her killrate dropped further from the surge of baby Nurses." that is way more anecdotal than the data I just provided.
What makes you think NightLight's data is irrelevant, specifically? I suppose it might be a bit skewed by the fact that noobs probably aren't submitting their tallies, but that doesn't make it irrelevant. In fact, this would mean this is data from experienced survivors so her kill rate could even be higher than NightLight says. Just because it doesn't capture everything doesn't mean we can't infer something from the data it provided. It's like a survey where a portion of the population gets surveyed and there is a margin for error. Even if we give it a generous margin of error the Nurse's 58.37% kill rate stands far higher than the lowest kill rate listed on the site; Ghostface's 41.54%.
Just because it is skewed doesn't make it completely irrelevant. As I said already surveys in the real world do the same thing. Do you think they put up that information to purposefully mislead people? What purpose would that serve?
I give up. If you're going to completely disregard relevant data, than there is no point going on with you.
All the kill rate data we have from the devs is old. Ancient. Might as well be carved on stone tablets it's that old. The game has changed so much since then that not a shred of it is relevant anymore. Period.
The fact that you keep quoting it in thread after thread as if it is relevant when clearly it's not makes a parrot. A mindless parrot.
Good day.
Nurse isn’t hard and she’s unhealthy for the game. Even more so after the recent update. People are literally just playing nurse now and she’s free.
She's hard for me, I struggle against anyone who's not even vaguely potato.
Arguing over her difficulty is a red herring anyway. People got annoyed at old spirit because she got excellent results while being easy as piss to play as. But even if she was difficult it wouldn't matter, there was nothing consistent you could do. Killers that take specific effort to learn should be the stronger ones, that doesn't mean once they've gotten good at them they should rarely lose.
Nurse is hard to pick up. She isn't hard to learn. Big difference.
So you're just making things up to suit your agenda. Figured but it's nice to see you admit it.
Nurse is extremely hard, is necessaryi to play her perfectly against good survivors, not bad survs or low mmr survs, nurse needs a QoL change to make her welcoming for new players, a nerf would have to buff her with a normal speed and 30s cooldown of power after each down, otherwise it is a bad unbalanced nerf
Nurse is so easy she takes minimal skill.
I'm indifferent on Nurse in general (although making her blinks special attacks would be more than welcome) but the one thing I am adamant needs to be changed are her range addons. Speaking from personal experience she plays much easier and is less punishing for mistakes if you run one or both of these because they increase your speed when you blink by a considerable margin regardless of how long you charge the blink.
I will give you an example. I played two Nurse games. The first was on The Game with the brown flannel blink seeing addon and something else like recharge. I got two hooks the whole game. The survivors weren't good either as they took forever to finish gens. I was just too bad at catching them and kept losing them.
Then the second game was on RPD, an arguably much worse map for Nurse (if it isn't, feel free to explain, I am not a Nurse main). I was running both of the range addons. I got a 2k with the other two on death hook. And I suck with Nurse hard. The difference between playing her with and without these two addons is literally night and day. I would encourage you to try this yourself and see the difference. It's nuts, and it's no wonder you see nearly all Nurses run one or both of these addons whenever you face them. I guarantee they are a major factor to contributing to the Nurse hate lately, which seems to have spiked around the time these 'bugged' speed buffs were passed off as intended.
The speed buff really should be removed, by the way. Nowhere in either of the addon's descriptions is blink speed mentioned. All that is affected according to the descriptions are maximum blink range and the time it takes to fully charge a blink. How they can be portrayed as intended effects is beyond me when they are not even listed as an official effect of the addon. Revert these addons to their original form and I am sure the hate will die down.
My dude most people are not running dead hard, nurses biggest counter and its harder to use now anyway. To say nurse benefited least from the patches is incredibly delusional.
Well half the stuff you wrote sounds incredibly delusional to me but live and let live you know. Yeah nurse got nothing from the patches sure why not <3
Arent Killers always said things should be balance on high MMR?
I wonder whats the kill rate of Nurse at top 33% MMR though.
I dont actually have a list really but let me make a quick and dirty one
Artist
Hillbilly
Twins
Blight
Huntress
Cenobite
Nurse
Sadako
Dredge
Oni
What do you know she is on the list.
Oh no at least 1 you say? The humanity.
Sorry dude at this point i know not to take anything you write seriously. I think the only one who believes the things you write is yourself and im half convinced even you dont buy it entirely. I dont know if you are a master troll or if you are really like that but yeah. No.
Buddy trust me im trying to to take you seriously. But you are without embellishment the single most deluded person i met in this game. Nop, scratch that, any game. And i swear this is not a hyperbole or meant as an insult or anything like that. I hope this is not rude but yeah. Well not like it matters, its just a game, who cares if i think you are deluding yourself. Not like the game actually matters.
Enough talking about nurse lol, have a nice day.