Reasons why you don’t need to nerf decisive strike
I feel like the devs should leave the perk as it is. Let me explain all the reasons.
First you have to be the obsession to use the perk properly.
Second the skill check is difficult to hit if it comes early or if you’re facing the Dr. or unnerving presence.
Third reason you only able to use it once plus the killer can still dribble you to the hook!
Every update they make it harder to be a survivor. Remember you need more survivors in this game than killers to keep this game alive.
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Absolute stupid rank 20 survivor main talking there. "Difficult to hit" are you kidding me? Because you have trouble hitting this easy skillcheck doesn't mean other people have trouble at all. I hit it 95% of the time. And even on Doc with unnerving it's mostly no problem.
Dribbling only works if you are CLOSE to a hook, if survivors bodyblock you hit it always.
Git gud, you don't need crutch perks like this. Why do you think everybody hates this perk so much? Because it's a cheap get out of jail card and ruins the pace of the game even more.
Just emberassing reading this post.
The skill check is never hard to hit even with the perk, most good players hit more great skill checks, as for the Doc comment he is one killer what about the rest?
DS is the biggest crutch perk in the game, it punishes the killer for doing well.
The only reason I would to even remotely at a stretch keep it as is would be for the obsession isdue to Rancor, its the only obsession perk used most of the time by survviors and it takes away the chance for those who never used it to be downed and mori'd at the end, the non obsession would still get the planned stun mechanic.
Damn you guys are toxic, be civil you don’t have to be rude, I’m actually a level 7 survivor.
If they rework the perk where you have to do all those requirements it will be completely useless to use, just get rid of the whole perk if you’re gonna do that.
As survivor main I also want DS to be changed as it's really frustrating when you don't hit it and also frustrating for the killer when you hit it.
Also, high number of DC's because of that perk, so yeah it should be changed I think.
Are we toxic or are your suggestions dumb and backed up by 20 minutes of playtime?
The skillcheck being "difficult" is no reason to amp the power of the perk to hard, because that would only great a huge powergap. Lowskill player don't benefit from the perk at all, because they can't hit the check and if they hit every now and then, they suck at getting chased and get downed fast anyway.High skill player -who are very good at the game anyway- get powerful tool to even get better and they can prolong chases even if they can't get rid of the killer and instead of 2 already long chases, the killer has to do a third long chase to get them.
And the worst of all... this game needs more survivor… wow, that one is just plain rude and wrong on so many level.
So you just want to make the game miserable for a part of the community just because they are fewer?
And you think they aren't "needed" for or just needed in small numbers so we can treat them like crap and unbalance the game for them?
These are human beings, not bots.
You are using basically racist logics.
Y’know, level 7 can be achieved in like an hour, usually less. That is in no way any merit to talk about balance.
Also you killers keep complaining about survivor perks then eventually you won’t have anyone to play with. Takes four survivors to play a game and only one killer. Just saying
Well at the moment it would seem there aren't enough killers playing, you know because of the awful imbalance between both parties?
Some people disagree with you and now you've gone for the entire game will be ruined approach, classy.
Yes, I meet 2-3 DS per game.
And back in the days it was 4 99% of all games.
But the first nerf wasn't enough.
And you are so arrogant it makes me wanna puke, there is ONE person giving 4 other the option to play and you want to treat that needed person like trash.
But you call other toxic??
I think you'll find you need Killers more than we need you, Killers host the lobby, so without us YOU would not be able to play at all
Not if you start at 20
Non obsessions must wiggle to 70% and can stun the killer in place for only 1/2/3 seconds.
And just to be fair, after use, a passive ability is still present which make your stuns against killers (pallet and regular grasp escape) last .35 seconds longer.
Reasons why the devs don't listen to the forums.
I actually agree with the OP. So you get D-striked once in a game. What exactly keeps you from going after the survivor and downing him again?
I feel complaining about DS is the same hapless thing as saying NOED is a crutch perk and it should not exist. There are multiple ways to counter both of these. None of them guarantees a free kill/free escape. Plus, obviously, killers need tools against survivors and survivors need tools against killers.
If you're silly enough not to expect it, then they look oooooh so broken, but with the proper play, they make little difference.
Of course, it's easier to demand nerfs/buffs instead of adapting.
What exactly is the counter to DS?
DS has no counter. 1 DS is not the problem. But when 3 or 4 survivors use DS, then that's a game over for the killer.
Btw. NOED only halves the hits needed to down a survivor. Killer has to find and hit survivors first.
DS rewards survivors for getting downed with a free escape.
A true counter would keep it from happening, not just ease it.
Enduring… only lessens the effect and helps not immediately lose the prey -> soft counter
UP... only lessen the chance to hit the check, but it is still doable -> random counter
Noed? How is Noed helping with DS?
Rancor… yea, if you refuse touching your obsession for the whole match and wait until all gens are done. A lot of ifs and whens, but kind of a counter.
Moir? Nope, only if the victim is stupid enough to wait with his DS for the 2nd hook despite the fact that he saw a "hidden offering" in the beginning.
And here we go again
Guys like you are the reason why we cant have nice things
Frankly, there are stronger survivor tools. Instaheals, for example. @Dudddd neatly listed the counters for DS, I'd just add: you can try to down survivor close to a hook. Not easy, but that's what I keep saying about all these so-called "crutch" perks: yea, some are stronger than others. Deal with it. With so many different killers, maps, RNG and so on, you can't expect some magical "perfect balance". Sometimes you go against tryhard killer/survivors, and sometimes you're facing some less effective builds. Challenge, folks, challenge. The best thing in life.
I'd add one more thing: I'm absolutely convinced that all the anger towards DS is not exactly about serious balance issues. As I said, instaheals, possibly SC and some other stuff are more of a threat to killers. But it's probably the single most annoying one. Understandable, and it's not like I'm not pissed when D-striked. But when we're seriously discussing balance issues in the forums, we should do it with a cold head. Don't listen to your anger.
Enduring does not count, the stun is not the issue, it is the free self safe Survivors get.
Unnerving presence is maybe a counter at low ranks, any Survivor worth there salt can hit a UP skill check.
Noed and Rancore....these are not counters to DS lol?
Mori, so Killers will have to burn an add on every match to combat 3/4 DS every game, yeah sure.
Its a sad sight to see I mean DS strike isn't that worrysome go slug everyone and don't face camp .. get rid of it early game
this perks has 1000 of counters
I have no need for d-strike so they can do whatever they want with it.
How come there's no Kate or spirit avatars on here?
Welcome to the forum and they are coming Soon TM! Stick around and you will see.
The easiest and quickest fix would be DS for obsession only. If 4 run it 3 have a dead perk and the killer benefits minus the 1 DS.
Alright sometime in the future cool
Thanks for the welcome
People have been asking since July for it and Soon Tm is the popular response from the Community Manager. Don't take anything to serious on the forum and if you get tired of all the negative stuff look in the wishlist. Lots of good ideas by community members for future content, killers, maps, and game mods.
The killer is hosting the game. Just saying
at this rate DS will be never nerfed, they are taking months to make decisive decision lol
I guess the reason is survs rule this game and they would QQ a river
And on the survivor end, it would become a risk to take into a game. You might be the obsession and benefit fully from it, or someone else could be the obsession and you get nothing from it.
It still needs a nerf.
Every freakin update is nerf survivors and buff killers, Have fun waiting in lobbies forever eventually.
so are we just going to ignore the buffs yall keep getting and the addition of 2 new crutch perks
You must be playing a different game than me.
Literally EVERY patch is a nerf to KILLER.
I can remember 2 patches that favored killer so far.
That is ONE patch per year.
One was when the gen regression came into the game and the other was when they FIXED the palletvacuum, and the pallet nerfs are already halfway reversed.
You should clearly read the patch notes every now and than.
Maybe you are one eyed blind because of your bias.
Play some killer for a change up and than come back to complain.
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They are allowed to make playing harder for survivors since it's still very easy to.
This isn't a balanced forum because of how nasty people are and it's also probably the reason why Devs take a lot of those types of posts with a grain of salt.
Don't expect much, if anything, from people posting on the internet and you'll be alright 😊👍.
Jack is right. You can achieve level 7 in an hour of gameplay. Unless what the OP really meant was RANK 7
And that would be risky enough for survivors to run it in the first place. Unless they are a 4 man SWF and can actually plan around it.
You can have it back, the NOED buff. Or even scratch it from the game. It's a lame perk to run that sucks ass anyways. Such as your beloved DS. And no, I don't think neither you nor me are essential for the game to continue thriving.
OP is failing to realize that after seconds to even minute(s) of a chase while 3 other survivors are gen rushing that after a successful DS you have to find/catch the survivor again - which takes more precious seconds away from pressuring the map and prolonging the game. Multiply this by 2,3 or 4 survivors doing it and it's pretty much GG for the killer in many games.
Being the obsession alone doesn't justify the perk.
If you miss the skillcheck, that's entirely on you.
You may only get to use it once, but once can be enough to turn the tide of the game. Not to mention that the killer could easily end up facing more then one DS. As for dribbling, that's very situational and still wastes loads of time in a game where time is vital.