MMR: Otzdarva and rank 15 survivors
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You're funny.
Did you quit dbd? Or the video you posted all over the forums, was for the views?
Gotcha.
Yeah, I'm a troll who's posting pics of a streamer and using it as a way to say MMR isn't working then editing my comments shortly after someone says something about it. Yet, I'm the troll. Alright. You think whatever. I won't bother replying to anything you say but I will to others. Finally, if Ortz has followers that act like this, I'll be glad to unsub from him. Take care. I speak facts, not feelings.
Those poor babies vrs his iri head ebony Huntress... Honestly his point on add ons and items he has a point they should factor in on the MMR system right right..?
I firstly want to personally apologies to all new players that are getting horrible match making atm
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Meh, I prefer to watch Ohmwrecker. He's a.lot entertaining 😬
Remember when the devs said that killer MMR is separated per killer?
You see how he's changing the killer for each match?
It's going to be a very long time until the MMR evens out unless he plays one killer to get the ranking up quicker...
I think the real problem is that the devs said for months that they were collecting information for the mmr system so when it went live it would have data to use. People assumed that would mean they wouldn't be thrown into matches against literal new players since they should have higher mmr than a new player.
If this was a new system with no previous data to use I think people wouldn't be complaining as much.
I said this exact same thing in another thread.
It's simple logic. Play the same killer multiple times to get an MMR ranking. The ranking isn't shared. If you switch killers, it'll take weeks to get an estimate on all of them. If people don't understand how MMR works, they should educate themselves. Using 1 person who's constantly switching to make it apparent that he's not trying to adjust his MMR to correctly show his skill should not be used to question the MMR system. Simple.
But i am Surv and have 19 Matches (R1, 2k+ hours). Doesnt work. Still getting very ######### up games.
Enlight me MR. Knowitall.
Just to add on to the discussion I have noticed when I play killers that I don't main like Billy or Nurse I got games where people had hours around mine. It's was when I played my mains it got egregious and I was only able to pub stomp people who just picked the game up. Did some experiments unfortunately forgot to record my data there, but I would like to see if any other killers have been having the same issue or would be willing to run experiments of their own.
In this case carry-on and blame the devs.
MMR is affected by the killers. Its been out not even a full day and you're expecting instant results on every match, ignoring other player's habits on how they play and who they play. If they swap killers a lot, you'll get an influx of godlike killers and potato killers. Same with Survivors. You might get godlike survivors or survivors who UE in the middle of nowhere. Also, if you insult someone, don't always expect a reply.
MMR was stated to be individual for killers. You can't be great at Trapper then expect godlike survivors when you start playing as Hag. Yes, it takes a week to a month if you constantly swap killers because each have their own MMR. If they didn't, there would be no point in an MMR. After a week or a month of everyone playing, everything will even out and you'll get mass people complaining on how matchmaking is too hard and unfun.
Eww ? First: they said they have been collecting data for while. Second: they said Surv MMR is for all ur Survs and takes place after 10 Games. What are u talking 'bout ? Are you saying, there is not a single Killer out there who matches me after two days ?
EDIT: And Dude, i wouldnt care, if u dont answer me - not at all.
They're right, if the MMR system is good. You're going to get the sweatiest of the bunch at the top because that's how a proper MMR system works.
The only reason why MMR here is bad is because they implemented this new system to an established base of very good players and MMR has to start somewhere. Expect to see these type of matches for a while until it works itself out.. at least it should if BHVR did it well enough.
To see if MMR would work. It wasn't actively used for matchmaking. It was used to see if it would improve and it took months to test, not 1 single day. I said the killer's MMR is all individual. I never said survivors were. If a killer has no or small amount of MMR, they will face survivors with equal, slightly higher or lower than that to gauge it. The more you play that killer, the better matched you will be. It's not hard. You play 1 match as Hag, don't expect god survivors afterwards.
Finally, I don't know what your survivor thing is about but if you die or win, your MMR will even out after a few days.
Not so. I took a break during most of the y4 anniversary and had 3 months of deranking push me back down to rank 13. I didn't belong there and spent the next 2 months destroying my opponents as survivor (as killer I was still going against the normal red and purples).
I believe Scott said that under the assumption that the MMR system would actually work properly
It doesn't look like it is, at all.
What if the rank 12 is a rank 12 because they havent played in minths? What if its a smurf account? Thjs is why peoole say rank doesnt matter
Wrong, that concept is heavily flawed in assuming that matches played is relevant to players skill. Oversimplification of matchmaking parameters is what got us into this mess, and like it or not oversimplification will not fix a thing. In fact, I literally just provided and example of that style of matchmaking NOT working.
Nothing short of a major and complex code that takes into account items, add-ons, offerings, perks, the map, the characters in relation to the map, spawn/RNG/tile locations, time an individual survivor spent in a chase (which would require fixed chase mechanics), what bloodlust the killer was at when they got hit, the time they spent stealthing, where they left scratchmarks in relation to the killer and their surroundings, how fast the generators were completed, what the killers general playstyle was, what the survivors general playstyle was, how the team performed altruistic actions, how individual perks were used, etc., will ever fix matchmaking.
In short, far too complex a system is required. Even if the Devs were masterful coders able to create the most elegant code that has the most minimal impact on CPU usage... It would melt most computers.
The formula you presented is remarkably similar to the old matchmaking formula, which was disabled in favour of match times because it was taking half an hour to find a 5-minute match.
That makes absolutely no sense. He’s played dozens and dozens of game’s. And he’s consistently matched against really really bad survivors. It’s clearly broken. Tru, Monto, Puppers, they ALL are having the same issue. It’s broken. It’s clearly and utterly broken.
You do realize how much he’s played right? Not to mention they already said his MMR had been calculating for months because he plays all the time. It’s clearly broken.
It was not used for matchmaking, it was region specific (Xbox only) and you still have to play games afterwards. Switching killers doesn't help settle your MMR since each killer has a different MMR. His play time matters not to MMR since it was only used for matchmaking yesterday.
No. It wasn’t used for matching but it was being recalculated in the background. They even released a FAQ that says this in black and white. It’s not that hard to read what they’ve said. People who have been playing for the past two months are not starting at the default MMR.
EVEN if people did start at the default MMR, after 20 game’s it would be settled. It should be settled after 10 games. But it’s not. It’s clearly not working.
And I guarantee they will release something to the effect of “we noticed the matching was not at the level we wanted so we tweaked the numbers” and then magically it’ll work the way it should. It’s clearly broken.
Alright. See you in a week. I'm tired of explaining it over and over again. Can't wait for a week to hear the complaints about how hard it is. I've already said why the old use doesn't matter. I won't parrot. Check the other forum posts and you'll see my explanation about that. Take care.
If it takes a week for the MMR to settle then it’s... drum roll... broken. It takes 5 games or so for an MMR system to settle your score. It’s why most games have the Match Games that are used to calculate your MMR. They’re usually 5-10 games.
It is entirely possible it will take weeks to settle. But that means it’s broken. It shouldn’t take weeks.
And I never complained about anything being hard. Not a single time. You don’t even know if I play killer, survivor or both or don’t even play.
MMR uses a point system. The better you do, the more points you get, the higher your skill. The more you die, you lose points. 5 games isn't enough to take thousands of players and put them together since some are different than others due to rng (maps, suicides, dc's) that can affect it. We start out with almost the same amount of MMR. It's why everyone is clumped together. There is no more dc penalties either so that affects MMR since it'll count that as a lost. If I DC 10 times as killer, I can almost guarantee that Ill get rank 20s.
the screenshot was sad new mmr joke.
I realize you think you understand how MMR works. And that’s cute. They’ve already been calculating MMR for months. Why are you ignoring this fact? They’ve already stated that the MMR they’ve been using internally to run “will they win or lose” is “pretty accurate.”
It didn’t work. It isn’t calculating it correctly. Not to mention MMR is self regulating. It will naturally sort players. Playing against a bunch of Brown Ranks game after game is enough to ensure that you’re 5th, 6th and 7th game shouldn’t be against Brown Ranks.
We have no idea how dying or killing effects MMR. So you saying “how much you die” lowers your MMR means you have no idea what you’re talking about. For all we know if a survivor stays alive a certain amount of time you get an MMR increase. We have no idea what counts as a + or - to MMR.
Best Guess is that they set the initial MMR for players they couldn’t pre-calculate an MMR for, too high.
You can ignore that they’ve said multiple times they’ve already pre-calculated anyone whose been playing for the past couple of months all you want. It just makes you look ignorant.
See. You resort to name calling. I'm facing rank 1's as Leatherface all day. Been playing only Leatherface since yesterday. I went from 20's to Rank 1's-3's which is my average. Seems to work for me? Probably because I've played the same killer for hours. If you want to talk and have a discussion, I'm all game. If you add insults, I stop wanting to talk to you. If you have to rely on insults because you don't like having a discussion then post an opinion and don't reply on another's opinion.
What name did I call you again?
I have nothing left to say. Take care. If everyone wants to use insults, whether directly or indirectly, I won't bother with them.
If you felt I insulted you then I apologize. I was genuinely asking if I had called you a name and didn’t realize it. I’m sorry.
Telling someone if you say this or that, then you're this or that, is insulting because you're insinuating that they are. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, read your reply from earlier. We have discussions to say what we think or feel about something. Not everyone will agree. If it comes out that I am wrong with my statements that I thought was true, I'll admit it when it happens. I'm a big boy. I don't let my pride overtake my own faults.
Until a Dev openly says, "Hey, this isn't working like intended or Hey, this is working like intended, I'm gonna assume that I'm right but I'll never say you're this or that if you disagree with me. That's when I stop talking to the person. I do listen to others. So far, MMR has been working for me. I'm getting Rank 1's but again, I've been playing only 1 killer since then. To me, if it's working because I'm playing a specific killer only and not switching yet I'm getting the correct ranks for me, I'm gonna say yes, it's working correctly.
Yet someone else is saying it's not because of a streamer who keeps switching killers in less than 24 hours of being released is absolute correct is a bit stupid. You're saying some guy is right. No matter that he's not playing the same killer multiple times in a row but nonetheless, he's right. THAT gets under my skin a little since I'm having different results but I followed what I was told how the MMR is based. Individual killers with multiple games played.
If I sound confrontational, I don't mean to be. I try not to use my feelings for something as justification to ignore everyone else. Lots of people are having normal matches now after playing the same killer. Then I see post after post of just throwing MMR at BHVR when they're doing their best to make matchmaking better. It makes me wonder if people understand how MMR even works.
I honestly don't know why the Dev said 10 matches. I was playing COD MW with MMR and it took a LONG ASS TIME to get me to a high MMR. I'm talking a month of playing every day yet 10 games is enough for DBD to be a good gauge of skill. It's why I said a week at least. Everyone should have burned through a few killers so their normal killers are high so it's more accurate. That's why I said a week at least, up to a month.
I hope that helps with my explanations. I was getting tired of repeating the same thing in every new post about the SAME THING.
Do you not know the difference between a pre-recorded video, pre MMR, and a live stream DURING MMR?
https://twitter.com/deadbybhvr/status/1290757509020626944?s=21
😂 I can't stop derisively loling at the dudes posting that Otz isn't "a real rank 1" or "only plays 3 hours a day" or saying he changes killers too often and hasn't played the same killer at least ten times by now. Not worth arguing with anyone that makes these hilariously wrong statements 😅👍
The entire point of this system is to disregard rank.
😅 that guy bootlicking while also using "I played Leatherface a lot and it put me with harder players" when everyone knows Leatherface got overbuffed and is the OP "gg ez" killer to get easy 4ks with against lower skilled survivors 😅....good lols, now back to the teeth pulling pain of PS4 MMR.
Its all talk until we see results. We all know that BHVR are good at talking.
Same for me but with Killer. I have upward of 15 matches with Myers. First game was a 3-man escape with everybody on death hook on a disgusting rng Cowshed and the survivors were decent. After that it went from 0 to 100. It's all 4ks except a 3k. I'm still getting literal babies. Brown ranks with one perk. Players with under 100h and sometimes under 20 and even under 10.
I've not shown any mercy whatsoever fearing that it would only lower my mmr and put me against this kind of players. It hasn't changed a thing. The matchmaking doesn't care that I'm on a stomping streak. Whatever this system is supposed to do, it's not working.
I have 1500h and I'm rank 1. There's no excuse for matching me against beginners, even if only for establishing mmr. It doesn't take a NASA algorithm to know that no conclusions can be drawn from those matches even before they played out. except for the obvious one: that those survivors and I shouldn't be in the same lobby.