Also, don't blame this on Survivors not being able to get the skill checks.
No one complained. Ruin was annoying, but manageable.
You can blame it on killers for using the perk in 80% of games for lack of ideas. Hence the devs had to nerf it. They will nerf all powers that are used all the time.
Also, don't blame this on Survivors not being able to get the skill checks.
No one complained. Ruin was annoying, but manageable.
You can blame it on killers for using the perk in 80% of games for lack of ideas. Hence the devs had to nerf it. They will nerf all powers that are used all the time.
Ruin used in 80% for lack of ideas
You honestly believe that killers used Ruin because they just weren't creative?
I used Ruin because I didn't have a choice. My creativity was limited because the game was so unbalanced that a single perk was basically required for consistent results on certain killers.
Do you think BBQ is used so often because killers just don't know how to get more points?
I've got a build on Pig in mind, once I get all the perks.
Tampered Timer
Rules Set No.2
Ruin
Surveillance
Thrill
Thrilling Tremors
This'll be the ULTIMATE slowdown build. No gens. Punish for it ;)
I tried this exact build last night except I used Discordance instead of Tremors. More leg work to do, but once you get some RBTs on survivor heads, it's very manageable for Pig.
Also, don't blame this on Survivors not being able to get the skill checks.
No one complained. Ruin was annoying, but manageable.
You can blame it on killers for using the perk in 80% of games for lack of ideas. Hence the devs had to nerf it. They will nerf all powers that are used all the time.
If thats how they wanna play so be it. Camping has been going on since before this Ruin change. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Except camping wasn't as bad as now, but this is the side-effect some people forgot when they wanted Ruin nerfed without getting gen times fixed and/or maps fixed.
Hell yeah let's nerf DH, a perk that allows survivors to take more risk
Hell yeah let's nerf Adrenaline even though it only proves after the last gen is done, meanwhile the survivor had to manage with 3 perks at that point.
Hell yeah let's nerf DH, a perk that allows survivors to take more risk
Hell yeah let's nerf Adrenaline even though it only proves after the last gen is done, meanwhile the survivor had to manage with 3 perks at that point.
Hell yeah, let's nerf ruin, a perk that lets killers actually have an early game.
They would nerf them if more than 75% of red rank survivors use them.
Please correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe they have released the statistics on their use.
Also something tells me if they released the current statistics it show that they probably are above 75% at this point at least in red ranks much like ruin was.
How ironic. Then why every survivor in the red rank run this build with "ruined" and "nerfed" perks?
I was mocking the notion that Ruin was nerfed because it was run in a majority of games. As you say, these perks see 80%+ play rate but remain untouched.
I was mocking the notion that Ruin was nerfed because it was run in a majority of games. As you say, these perks see 80%+ play rate but remain untouched.
You honestly believe that killers used Ruin because they just weren't creative?
I used Ruin because I didn't have a choice. My creativity was limited because the game was so unbalanced that a single perk was basically required for consistent results on certain killers.
Do you think BBQ is used so often because killers just don't know how to get more points?
You had plenty of choice. I wasn't using ruin before and did fine. Now I use the new one and do even better than I was.
DS wasn't nerfed, BT was nerfed from god mode to merely S tier, still used in more than 80% of loadouts I'd imagine.
DS was heavily nerfed. It used to work on all 4 survivors every time they were picked up until they hit it. Now, it only procs if the killer is playing like a jerk.
BT only exists to allow saves for when the killer is camping. Stop camping and it will be a useless perk. It's exceptionally rare for me to get hit with DS or to see someone get the deep wound from BT.
Play better. In my games, every survivor with those perks might as well only have two perks all game.
DS was heavily nerfed. It used to work on all 4 survivors every time they were picked up until they hit it. Now, it only procs if the killer is playing like a jerk.
BT only exists to allow saves for when the killer is camping. Stop camping and it will be a useless perk. It's exceptionally rare for me to get hit with DS or to see someone get the deep wound from BT.
Play better. In my games, every survivor with those perks might as well only have two perks all game.
DS is a minute of "don't touch me bro" that can be gamed with lockers, and is only needed on one surv to make it look like all 4 could have it. And apologies for camping for all of 4s as a surv comes barreling in with BT for the save, but sure it's "anti-camp". And still, it's about use rate.
DS was heavily nerfed. It used to work on all 4 survivors every time they were picked up until they hit it. Now, it only procs if the killer is playing like a jerk.
BT only exists to allow saves for when the killer is camping. Stop camping and it will be a useless perk. It's exceptionally rare for me to get hit with DS or to see someone get the deep wound from BT.
Play better. In my games, every survivor with those perks might as well only have two perks all game.
"Stop playing like a Jerk"
Can we stop insulting people for playing in a manner that feels right to them?
It's only natural for players to gravitate to the path of least resistance. You can't insult people for playing in a matter that's inuative - especially when people are rescuing in a dumb manner and the person who just got rescued is terrible at making themselves scarce. That being said, I have no problems with the perk. It does what it needs to and has viable counter play. I only object to people throwing insults for styles of play.
Borrowed Time is another necessary perk because it's in the killer's best interest to NOT camp in most situations - therefore perks like this are necessary to train what is strategically the right decision. Because it's based on terror radius, the more creative killer's can counterplay if they feel they need to.
DS is a minute of "don't touch me bro" that can be gamed with lockers, and is only needed on one surv to make it look like all 4 could have it. And apologies for camping for all of 4s as a surv comes barreling in with BT for the save, but sure it's "anti-camp". And still, it's about use rate.
You're missing the point. Just don't go after the unhooked person and you will *never* deal with DS. Ever. When you hook someone, go after someone else immediately. The hooked person can't do a gen, the one going for the unhook isn't doing a gen, and the one you're now chasing isn't doing a gen.
Stop wasting time camping and going after freshly unhooked people just to complain about gen times. You're the one not pushing the others off the gens.
You're missing the point. Just don't go after the unhooked person and you will *never* deal with DS. Ever. When you hook someone, go after someone else immediately. The hooked person can't do a gen, the one going for the unhook isn't doing a gen, and the one you're now chasing isn't doing a gen.
Stop wasting time camping and going after freshly unhooked people just to complain about gen times. You're the one not pushing the others off the gens.
Why should I ignore the easy kill when survivors literally hookbomb me?
Can we stop insulting people for playing in a manner that feels right to them?
It's only natural for players to gravitate to the path of least resistance. You can't insult people for playing in a matter that's inuative - especially when people are rescuing in a dumb manner and the person who just got rescued is terrible at making themselves scarce. That being said, I have no problems with the perk. It does what it needs to and has viable counter play. I only object to people throwing insults for styles of play.
Borrowed Time is another necessary perk because it's in the killer's best interest to NOT camp in most situations - therefore perks like this are necessary to train what is strategically the right decision. Because it's based on terror radius, the more creative killer's can counterplay if they feel they need to.
If the shoe fits, sir. The point is, there are more intelligent and efficient things you should be doing. If you do them, these two perks are wasted slots. These perks exist to counter this frustrating playstyle in the first place. Play better and they aren't an issue.
Why should I ignore the easy kill when survivors literally hookbomb me?
Wake up. It's not the easy kill. Your argument is exactly why you shouldn't be doing it. If they hook bomb, slug them. Now you have even more pressure. Wait a minute, then pick up and hook them.
Wake up. It's not the easy kill. Your argument is exactly why you shouldn't be doing it. If they hook bomb, slug them. Now you have even more pressure. Wait a minute, then pick up and hook them.
Okay, so why should I as a killer be punished for bad decision making on the side of the survivor? Why not spend an extra 10s on a gen for me to walk away instead of running to unhook right as I turn around?
Okay, so why should I as a killer be punished for bad decision making on the side of the survivor? Why not spend an extra 10s on a gen for me to walk away instead of running to unhook right as I turn around?
It's not bad decision making. They know what they're doing. They have the perks to protect them and are smartly using them to their advantage. Stop playing their game. Punish them with a time out on the floor to think about what they've done.
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Some killers bring corrupt intervention.
Some killers bring pop goes the weasel or dying light.
Other killers bring marshmallows.
Surveillance.
Yeah that's what I've been doing. If I can't have a perk to apply pressure for me. Than I will just have to do it - MYSELF
*Cries in smokers cough*
what did you expect
should've got gud at skill checks
Oh, come on. U a huntress I take it? Ain't ya face camper anyway then? Ruin or no ruin? 😂
i like huntress, i use all the killers minus bubba and clown
Killers gotta do what they gotta do.
If thats how they wanna play so be it. Camping has been going on since before this Ruin change. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Also, don't blame this on Survivors not being able to get the skill checks.
No one complained. Ruin was annoying, but manageable.
You can blame it on killers for using the perk in 80% of games for lack of ideas. Hence the devs had to nerf it. They will nerf all powers that are used all the time.
Just assumed because of the profile pic.
I replaced ruin with ... ruin
It's not that bad on Legion actually
I've been using Ruin on Doc in many matches today. To me it's honestly still a pretty powerful perk.
It's just not that good on killers that lack any kind of map pressure. I guess that's the problem.
Fire Up?
I'm going with ruin + surveillance or corrupt + discordance. I think I'm doing a pretty good job so far.
Corrupt and being sweatier.
Ruin used in 80% for lack of ideas
You honestly believe that killers used Ruin because they just weren't creative?
I used Ruin because I didn't have a choice. My creativity was limited because the game was so unbalanced that a single perk was basically required for consistent results on certain killers.
Do you think BBQ is used so often because killers just don't know how to get more points?
I've got a build on Pig in mind, once I get all the perks.
Tampered Timer
Rules Set No.2
Ruin
Surveillance
Thrill
Thrilling Tremors
This'll be the ULTIMATE slowdown build. No gens. Punish for it ;)
I'm sure a number of them replaced DbD with a new game.
Face camping. Yes.
A perk used for slugging, we're adapting after all.
NOED + Rancor + Deer Stalker + BBQ. If survivors make a mistake, I make sure they all die.
I tried this exact build last night except I used Discordance instead of Tremors. More leg work to do, but once you get some RBTs on survivor heads, it's very manageable for Pig.
Just like they nerfed DS, oh
Just like they nerfed BT, oh
Just like they nerfed DH, oh
Just like they nerfed Adrenaline, oh
NOED + tunnel and camp when necesarry
Except camping wasn't as bad as now, but this is the side-effect some people forgot when they wanted Ruin nerfed without getting gen times fixed and/or maps fixed.
They would nerf them if more than 75% of red rank survivors use them.
I swear all killers changed it with NOED!
Hell yeah let's nerf BT, an anti tunnel perk.
Hell yeah let's nerf DH, a perk that allows survivors to take more risk
Hell yeah let's nerf Adrenaline even though it only proves after the last gen is done, meanwhile the survivor had to manage with 3 perks at that point.
Yup
Hell yeah, let's nerf ruin, a perk that lets killers actually have an early game.
For me, replaced it with Leatherface and a fully revved chainsaw while on the hook. xD
Please correct me if I am wrong but I do not believe they have released the statistics on their use.
Also something tells me if they released the current statistics it show that they probably are above 75% at this point at least in red ranks much like ruin was.
How ironic. Then why every survivor in the red rank run this build with "ruined" and "nerfed" perks?
I barely used Ruin on doc - the screwed up skill checks were all I really needed to delay the game.
Now adays though, I'm using PGTW though
Of course they did. Low effort, high reward.
Most players aren’t that good so they go for the easy option.
I was mocking the notion that Ruin was nerfed because it was run in a majority of games. As you say, these perks see 80%+ play rate but remain untouched.
Lmaaoooo I'm sorry 💔
all good dude
You had plenty of choice. I wasn't using ruin before and did fine. Now I use the new one and do even better than I was.
Two of those perks were nerfed already and a third was nerfed indirectly by dedicated servers.
The last one does nothing if you don't let them finish the gens.
DS wasn't nerfed, BT was nerfed from god mode to merely S tier, still used in more than 80% of loadouts I'd imagine.
DS was heavily nerfed. It used to work on all 4 survivors every time they were picked up until they hit it. Now, it only procs if the killer is playing like a jerk.
BT only exists to allow saves for when the killer is camping. Stop camping and it will be a useless perk. It's exceptionally rare for me to get hit with DS or to see someone get the deep wound from BT.
Play better. In my games, every survivor with those perks might as well only have two perks all game.
DS is a minute of "don't touch me bro" that can be gamed with lockers, and is only needed on one surv to make it look like all 4 could have it. And apologies for camping for all of 4s as a surv comes barreling in with BT for the save, but sure it's "anti-camp". And still, it's about use rate.
"Stop playing like a Jerk"
Can we stop insulting people for playing in a manner that feels right to them?
It's only natural for players to gravitate to the path of least resistance. You can't insult people for playing in a matter that's inuative - especially when people are rescuing in a dumb manner and the person who just got rescued is terrible at making themselves scarce. That being said, I have no problems with the perk. It does what it needs to and has viable counter play. I only object to people throwing insults for styles of play.
Borrowed Time is another necessary perk because it's in the killer's best interest to NOT camp in most situations - therefore perks like this are necessary to train what is strategically the right decision. Because it's based on terror radius, the more creative killer's can counterplay if they feel they need to.
You're missing the point. Just don't go after the unhooked person and you will *never* deal with DS. Ever. When you hook someone, go after someone else immediately. The hooked person can't do a gen, the one going for the unhook isn't doing a gen, and the one you're now chasing isn't doing a gen.
Stop wasting time camping and going after freshly unhooked people just to complain about gen times. You're the one not pushing the others off the gens.
Why should I ignore the easy kill when survivors literally hookbomb me?
If the shoe fits, sir. The point is, there are more intelligent and efficient things you should be doing. If you do them, these two perks are wasted slots. These perks exist to counter this frustrating playstyle in the first place. Play better and they aren't an issue.
Wake up. It's not the easy kill. Your argument is exactly why you shouldn't be doing it. If they hook bomb, slug them. Now you have even more pressure. Wait a minute, then pick up and hook them.
Okay, so why should I as a killer be punished for bad decision making on the side of the survivor? Why not spend an extra 10s on a gen for me to walk away instead of running to unhook right as I turn around?
It's not bad decision making. They know what they're doing. They have the perks to protect them and are smartly using them to their advantage. Stop playing their game. Punish them with a time out on the floor to think about what they've done.