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Happy 10th Anniversary for Dead By Daylight. To celebrate, I decided to create artwork for the occasion, featuring Gamzee and Nepeta.
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Part 1 of 'Gamzee Enters the Fog' is now completed! now I'm going into Part 2.
Here are some highlighted images from Part 1:
NOTE: Spoilers for the Fanadventure, if you want to read the story, then the link is on the first post.
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@Starrseed said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4073610#Comment_4073610
I don't think Frieren is stronger then Vecna but I think she should be on a similar power level of we look at the spells she is able to throw. The fight against her clone showed that pretty well but a direct comparison is always hard when you take characters from different universes since their magic work on different systems.
I also don't think she is more powerful than the entity but I don't think that this would be required to withstand the entity because I also don't necessarily think vecna is more powerful.
I think we first have to look at what the entity can and can not do. The entity is a god and it seems that it has absolut control over its realm, being able to create and change maps how ever it seems fit. The entity is also able to manipulate those who are inside its realm but here comes the tricky part.
The entity is able to renew their bodys without a problem after every trail and it looks like the entity possibly made the survivors body's more durable and easy to heal with simple bandages, otherwise there would not be much of a trail that generated emotions to feed on. One hit from Billy's chainsaw would be the end for a survivor and even a good smack with tricksters bat could knock someone out for good. And the legion for example has a power boost from the entity cause they are all young adults that would struggle to deal with survivors like Jeff or Chris.
So the entity absolutely has control over matter in its realm but when it comes to the minds this is where the power of this eldrich God seem to start lacking.
The entity is able to forbid survivors to fight back, they can't jump the killer or take their weapon. They can't take hatchets from the lockers and characters that should be able to defeat most non monster killers even unarmed like Chris or Leon can't just pin down ghost face. But it is unclear if the entity controls their minds or if they just get tortured to comply or if the entity just controlled the matter and just don't allow them.to.pick up weapons.
I personally think the second thing is true, we know the entity tortures killers that disobey which would be unnecessary if it could mind control them and someone like trapper certainly doesn't has the power to withstand mind control. And then we have characters like the ghoul who is normally a good guy and it is canon that the entity makes him hunt by keeping him in a state of eternal hunger. This doesn't sound like mind control and more like control over how his body functions, something we know the entity can do.
Vecna got a seal in his neck to damp his power that also doesn't scream "I can control him" and even normal humans tend to to what they want. Both blight and that other guy (I forgot his name) fled the trails and managed to evade the entity which shows that they are not controlled and the entity isn't even omnipresent and all knowing.
There is a fan theory that says killers with white eyes are controlled by the entity by it makeing them perceive the survivors differently and let them look like someone the killer would want to kill. But this is just a theory (except it got proven until now and I missed that) but I really like it.
So I think Frieren would be way more trouble for the entity then she is worth. The entity can't control her and even if her mental fortitude is not strong enough to stop the entity from making her see the survivors as demons (which she would absolutely kill) the entity could not dampen her magic because the seal is more or less something the killers like vecna and Dracula took willingly as a signe of good will cause they both want to stay in the entity's realm for their own reasons. Frieren would not accept her magic being suppressed when she thinks she has to fight demons.
So Frieren would make trouble and try to help the survivors and free them and while she could not actually harm the entity she probably could get some if not all survivors out.
So the issue isn't whether or not the white eyes would work on her, but if there's a way for the Entity to nerf Frieren for the trials to make it more fair without raising her suspicions. And that's as if we are assuming that the gameplay of DBD is what the trials goes.
That's fair enough, and heck, with the Judgement legendary idea and based on the development of the power so far, Zoltraak would alter to a moving orbital attack rather than a direct shoot blast attack.
It's still a possibility, lower than my other ideas like Homestuck Gamzee, CoD Zombies Warden and MHA Toga, it's food for thought.
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@Starrseed said:
While Frieren certainly could be seen as a horror monster by the demons she doesn't fit dbd at all.
If we ignore that for a moment then we have to acknowledge that frieren would probably be way to powerful for the entity to keep be it as a killer (she would never do that) or as a survivor. The entity simply could not stop her from casting spells. Mind control is out of the question because her mental defense is incredibly strong and her mind itself is so strong.
In the first season we have the scene with the demon that taps into your mind and makes a fake image of a loved one to lure you. That demon makes a perfect version so you let all defense fall but frierens mind was so strong the demon could not make a version of Himmel that would want to hurt Frieren. That wasn't just her belief in him but also mind not allowing the demon to alter Himmel.
And while the entity could put the same seal on Frieren that Vecna got to dampen her magic, just like Vecna the seal would hold exactly as long as she allows it. Vecna also just acts like the entity can control him in any way.
In the end Frieren would probably not be able to harm the entity but she would mess with the trails until the entity kicks her out cause she would not allow the killers to harm the survivors
Okay, thank you for giving your thoughts and really want a discussion of this.
Are you sure Frieren is more powerful than the Entity? I'm not even sure if she's even on par with Vecna, let alone more powerful than him. I would imagine Vecna would be if Serie had the power of the demon king, and I can imagine Vecna is more powerful than either of them.
I do want to know how strong her mental barrier is, and whether it is based on using mana. That's pretty much the make-or-break for me and this idea.
If it's something similar to Aura's ability, where power and age are factors to pass the barrier. If so, then the Entity would be the most powerful as it would be much older than Frieren and being an interdimensional cosmic creature that consumes worlds and creates realms inside of itself based on memories. It would surely surpass her own powers.
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@Dinadin said:
No.
Just 'no'? as in 'I don't think Frieren would be manipulated by the Entity' or 'I don't want Frieren to be in DBD'?
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glad to see a CoD Zombies Chapter idea, but I think the better idea would be
Killer:
The Warden (from Blood of the Dead)Survivor:
Edward Richtofen (Primis)Map:
Alcatraz Island (featured in both Mob of the Dead and Blood of the dead)
We can also have Dempsy, Nickolai and Takeo as Legendary cosmetics
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News for 'Gamzee Enters the Fog'
I am doing a voting poll to choose which DBD characters will appear in my webcomic.
Learn more in the link below:
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Here are some highlights of the fan adventure so far…
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dude, the problem with a killer who can shapeshift into survivors in DBD is the fact that there are friends with mics, all it takes is one of them to say 'that's not me' and your identity is already exposed.
Trust me, I already had your idea before, I'd imagined Himiko Toga from My Hero Academia as a killer in DBD. didn't go well.
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@sam45441 said:
I think think bendy should be his own killer and he has nothing to do with crows so it won’t make sense
and what does the Look-See have to do with Electricity?
it can be believable and it fits more towards the ink hands, plus you can just imagine the crows being made of ink
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I mean there's a difference between a furry and mascots
one is a job, the other is a hobby
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@Malum_Midnight said:
There’s....only been one monster and it wasn’t even original. I’m confused by your post
two monsters actually, Demogorgon and Pyramid Head
Pyramid Head is a monster that was manifested from the mind of James Sunderland when he visit Silent Hill. he isn't human even if he looks humanoid.
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If you consider losing all of your emotions and being in an endless limbo dimension for all eternity an escape...
then yes.
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they do have a bit of description.
but also I like to think that these outfits are rather lore in a multiverse scale, like the Entity goes to different universes where the survivors and killers have different lives and remember what they wear, then have the survivors and/or killers wear those outfits. some of them don't know why they're wearing them, but accepts wearing them since survival is more important.
Evidence of this is apocalypses Jeff.
But yeah, it's nice to make some headcanon ideas and lore for the characters.
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@Firellius said:
It doesn't necessarily imply payment. Slaves are technically also 'servants'.
I think the crows aren't fully real, but are manifestations within the realm of the entity, and created OF the realm of the entity. Just like most of the other things within the trial grounds are made from the fog. It would certainly explain them coming out of nowhere in indoor environments like Gideon Meat Plant or Hawkins Lab.
I mean, they could also be animals that happens to enter the realm whenever the Entity picks up a survivor or killer and trapped there, like what happened to Maurice.
like maybe a murder of crows was surrounded a survivor or killer and went into the fog and now forever reside in the Entity Realm.
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Does it matter which circle? they would all go to hell, even some survivors would go to hell too.
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good to bring this up again
Ji-Woon Hak: 20s - early 30s (average age of a Kpop musician... I think..., since most of them are tend to be in around this age, I see him being being his late 20s and probably getting into his 30s based on how far he is in his career)
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actually there are seven dimensions in DBD
1: the Entity Realm (which where the Campfire and the different realms that the Entity Manifests takes place)
2: The Ethereal Plane (a dimension between the dream world and spirit world that only the Spirit can enter)
3: The Spirit world (a dimension that the Wrath and Nurse can enter in)
4: The Dream world (Freddy's power)
5: The Upside down (where the Demogorgon is from)
6: The Void (a limbo dimension where the Entity puts all the broken survivors once they run out of emotions and become hollow shells)
7: The Multiverse (where all the survivors and killers are from, which the Entity goes through to pluck them out of their worlds and put them in its realm)
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@VolantConch1719 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1996884#Comment_1996884
When he's released, I'll place him.
Judging by the collaboration BHVR did with the BTS producer, I'd assume NO SPIN is meant to be their interpretation of them, and a quick Google search shows they started in 2013.
Ji-Woon looks a bit more futuristic than that, but I'm also not an expert on Korean culture.
Yeah, I think he's from the near present, especially he's with the survivor and the original survivors seems to be from the near present
so somewhere in the 2010s
he looks futuristic in comparison with the other killers, but in truth, he would certainly fit in present times.
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@yaboijewan said:
Pyramid head is the oldest. He dates back to the time of the gods. He himself is a god
no he's not. he isn't a god
he is a powerful monster manifested by the guilt and sexual repression of James Sunderland which came to existence when he entered SIlent Hill.
and since Silent Hill seems to take place in the 90s, that makes him the around the same time as Legion, Ghost Face and Pig.
the oldest is the Plague and the youngest is the Trickster
but if you're talking about actual age. then Pyramid would be the youngest, since he was born when James entered Silent Hill and went to the Entity Realm after James left Silent Hill, which means he was only a couple few hours old. making him the youngest.
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Um... that's because the Entity didn't took the ability speech from anyone. they can still be able to talk. remember, Ash can still speak
It's just that there isn't a good in-game reason for any of them since the survivors have to stay quiet to avoid detection from killers.
The killers meanwhile can talk too, but doesn't talk too much because there isn't a reason to.
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since this post is about people having dream licensed chapter ideas, it wouldn't hurt to put out mine...
My dream DLC Licensed Chapter would be the My Hero Academia Chapter, and it would actually work.
Killer:
Himiko Toga (aka, The Schoolgirl)
A blood obsessed yandere girl in a school uniform with vampire fangs who has the ability to transform into people by consuming their blood.
With her power to consume blood orbs and disguising as survivors to get close before she strikes, all while hiding her terror radius as a survivor.
(also yes I know she would suck with SWF, but this is my dream chapter idea and never say never, we might get a survivor disguised killer one of these days and I hope it be Toga. since she can able to reuse the Oni's blood orbs for her power.)
Survivor:
Katsuki Bakugo
An always angry delinquent who hates being look down towards, with his goals to become the number one hero in the world, which he aims to do thanks to his power (or 'quirk' as they called).
When he enters the Entity realm, he would lose his power and have to go through the trials without the very thing he relies on. As well as dealing with others in which he'd be annoyed by.
The Entity Realm would literally be his hell. a perfect pick out of anyone from MHA.
Once again, this is my dream DLC idea and I know it won't happen, but once again I CAN DREAM DAMNIT!
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Well... consider how the Entity works, the first survivors would be when the Entity was born, and we don't know when that happened.
Not to mention that the Entity can go through time and space, meaning that it's possible that any of the known survivors on DBD could be the first one who enter the realm.
At this point, it really shouldn't matter who was the first survivor and how the Entity came to be, we just have to accept that it exists
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okay look ahead on the cutscene...
turns out this tome isn't about Yui the Killer...
what the hell?
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isn't their idle animations pretty much enough?
also the matchmaking take a minute long and usually it to get ready to go into a game, nobody would waste their time making emotes.
also the Survivors will not see the killer in the lobby so having emotes for the killer would be pointless because the only person who would see it is the player with the emote.
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Guys I figured it out
The number is actually shown on the big timer in Saw 1 when Zepp is looking at the Saw 1 room. which appears before Lawrence and Adam attempt to act the fake cigarette scene.
Here is the image I found on a wiki
I guess the design team of BHVR saw this image for reference and put that exact number onto the hook model.
the mystery of the number has been solved!
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1, the spacing is too long
2, it's disrespectable for calling a Walker in the Walking Dead 'Zombies', the concept of Zombies don't exist in that universe
3, 120% seems too fast for the Walker
4, the Walker killer does not work and has nothing to do with the Walking Dead
5, Daryl would be a good pick
6, there's a creative section in this forum, go there to post your ideas
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@redsopine00 said:
Legions tome animation goes against there backstory as it says frank and Julie stabbed the store manager but the also fired joey and suzie into it but the animation only has frank and Julie stab him not all 4
there are two reasons for this
1: This is the memory in the perspective of Julie
what I mean is that this is the memories that Julie recalls, as it seems that he focused more on herself and Frank, with Susie and Joey being in the background. so maybe her mind made her think that she did the killing blow.
2: This is a memory from an alternate timeline
This isn't far fetched, the Entity Roams the multiverse and it's possible that it can find memories of the killers and survivors with different lives, or things being slightly different, evidence is that the Observer gotten memories of Claudette with memories that doesn't match with the one in the realm. meaning that the Entity is capable of getting memories from the same person in different universes.
It's possible that the memories we saw form Julie is an alternative timeline to how the incident happened, with them having different masks and Julie making the killing blow before Joey and Susie get their part.
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of course the cosmetics aren't always canon, the cosmetics comes from memories of the survivors and killers, but at the same time, the Entity travels world by world, so there would be times when those characters exist and had different lives, a great example would be Apocalypses Jeff, a cosmetic of Jeff where he came from an apocalypse, which never happened to the Jeff in the Entity Realm.
I think that cosmetic comes from not from the Entity's realm Susie's memories, but another Susie who was more violent and willing to stab people.
so in conclusion, yeah they're not canon to the ones in the Realm, but are canon in different timelines that the Entity would visit before leaving, we just have to speculate which ones are true and which ones are from different timelines
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@MeltingPenguins said:
In-universe explanation:
The entity builds the trial fields based on the killers' and survivors' memories, so incorrect details and mix-ups are bound to happen.
You could even argue that this is #3 due to a survivor from a reality in which the movies ARE just that, movies, would have wanted to see this
you do realise that the Entity doesn't just search the Killers' and Survivors' memories, but also other memories that are connected and involved with the killer. so the Entity would not just look at Amanda's and Tapp's memories, but also John, Jeff, the victims of the Saw games, Adam, Hoffman and Lawrence's memories as well to give a much stronger vision of the meat plant. which explains why most of the references are from Saw 3, the Saw 1 room managed to get there because it holds a strong memory for John, Adam, Lawrence, Hoffman and Amanda.
Evidence would be Silent Hill, where in order for the Entity to know that Pyramid Head exists, he has to look at James' memories since he's the only one who sees him.
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yeah I think I'll go with number 3,
the evidence is that this body still has his foot while the cut off foot is at the opposite side of the room
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@DoritoHead said:
Do you have a picture you can provide?
here is the image of what I'm talking about.
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@Jarol said:
It seems to me that it is an alternative line where Zepp died due to the death of Tapp and as a consequence he was shot causing the entity to kidnap him and take him to his kingdom, because in the original line Zepp lived and was later killed, while that this alternate line is where Zepp died because of Tapp and this with his last strength shoots him. It would make perfect sense for it to be an alternate line or a mind game for Tapp since he was obsessed with Gordon from the beginning as he suspected that Lawrence Gordon was actually Jigsaw, The entity put Gordon in the bathroom for Tapp to see that he was actually It was never Jigsaw and that the real killer was still alive and torturing more people, The reason they put it is so that Tapp loses hope since he could not stop Jigsaw and more people would die.
A good idea, but there's two problem.
the first is the foot.
If the Entity put Lawrence there, then why did it put his separate foot there too.
The second problem is making Tapp lose hope, because the Entity FEEDS on hope and emotions. meaning that in order too actually taste Tapp, he has to have hope. so having Lawrence there would be a bit of a problem.
but even then, remember that the map are manifested from memories. though it made me think of a third possibility
3: the man in the blue shirt is Hoffman but as Lawrence.
in the Final Chapter when Lawrence left Hoffman to die, maybe he thought that he was leaving the life of Jigsaw behind, so he images Hoffman as himself when he was in the room in the first place. he then left the room and Hoffman to die. the Entity from searching Lawrence memories saw the mix and manifested that image onto the room. which also explains why Zeb and the other guy wasn't there, because he sees him and Adam dead in that room and he focuses on those, which would also explain the foot as well. because he looked at that as well before leaving.
okay, I think 3 is more likely, that the guy in Blue shirt is Hoffman but in the appearance of Lawrence to symbolize the real Lawrence leaving his old self to rot in the place that changed him.
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@GlamourousLeviathan said:
Wrong subforum mate.
that exists?
didn't know that
okay, change this to that place
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okay let's make more updates for this long going topic
new character estimates
Survivors
Cheryl Mason: 17 (said so the Silent Hill Wiki)
Felix Richer: 30s (he's an architect and going to be a father, so I would say he's in this age range
Élodie Rakoto: 30s (she was a teen when her parents disappeared and it did say 14 years later so I would say around the same age as Felix
Killers:
Pyramid Head: 2 - 6 hours (he was manifested when James entered Silent Hill and and he would of rest once James either died or left the town, so his age is how long James was in the town was during the events of Silent Hill 2)
Talbot Grimes: mid 30s (I say same for someone above)
Charlotte Deshayes: 18 - early 20s (she would be in her young adult years)
Victor Deshayes: 7 - 10 (he was a child when he died, even if he was resurrected, his body didn't age but rot, so he is still physically and mentally a kid, if you still don't think so, then same as Charlotte)
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I mean, Bloodlust is going faster when you are in a chase for too long, game wise it would give the killer an advantage through loops.
lore wise would be no different then real life chases, you keep catching up to people but going far behind you go faster to keep up, you pick up the pace you go faster so you can make the perfect strike...
that's at least what I think Bloodlust is for me.
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The survivors are indeed trying to escape the realm, but their attempts are just part of the loop that they're in during their time in the realm. even when they escape or die, they always come back to the campfire and the trials.
As for killers, well some of them like being in the realm while others are unaware that they're in said realm, they play their parts and they can keep doing what they're doing for the rest of their lives, which is eternal in the Entity realm.
sure there are a few that doesn't want to be in the realm, but they are forced by the Entity to keep doing the trials, otherwise they either end up as survivors themselves or end up in the Void, a fate worse than death.
Sure they might get bored but I doubt the Entity wouldn't give them something else to entertain themselves other than endless trials, after all, when one killer looms over the campfire, what's going on with the rest of the killers?
I would say either doing their own thing in their respective realm or being a part of another trial, I would guess there's more than one trial happening at the same time.
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of course they coexist with each other and they can leave their realms (evidence that different killers are in different realms)
I doubt most of them would interact but at the same time, they would see each other, in some cases, like Pyramid Head and Demogorgon, they are not allowed near killers, while in other cases, like the Legion can see each other but not much chat as they are... well... killers
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I mean, all they're doing is wiring things together, twisting some knobs and flipping switches, doing that constantly will sure make it work (this would also explain skill check fails)
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@ItzZane_ said:
Luffy and teach
Luffy is basically goku but in one piece same with naruto
and teach he killed a lot of people it would make sense for him being a killer and his power he could switch between the power of darkness and the power of rumble idk what they can do though
I'm guessing you're not being serious here.
okay, let me clear things up
I meant an idea of a series that IS NOT from a horror genre, but HAS a known character that fits the description of a horror character as well as fitting with the other killers in DBD.
For example with my idea of Himiko Toga, she's from a superhero anime series and not a horror series, and yet she has characteristics of a horror slasher, while having a uniqueness within said character, for her chase being a shapeshifting, blood-obsessed schoolgirl.
Another note is that the killer isn't too powerful that they can easily kill or catch survivors to keep things in balance, for Toga's case, she isn't too strong or powerful, but is very stealthy that her power in general can work as a killer ability. (and yes, many times I've been told that BHVR said they'll never do a survivor-disguised killer and she would suck with SWF but my counter is 1) they said they'll never do non-human killers and we got demogorgon, and 2) Trapper also sucks with SWF and she can have a complete silent terror radius and aura reveals while disguised as a survivor)
Enough with me talking about my want for Toga in DBD, let's just focus on the topic itself.
the point is, try and figure out a character that is:
1) not from a horror series
2) has characteristics or traits of a killer that would fit in with the killers in DBD
3) powerful to be a threat and have a unique ability, but weak enough for powerless people to get away from
sure it's hard since there isn't many, but it is possible and bring an interesting thing towards the game.
I am not going to reply more on this topic, I'm just leaving this for others to think of something.
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I would say nobody is a protagonist in DBD, why would there even be a protagonist?
though the closest protagonist of this whole thing could be the Observer, he's the one watching these trials and looking at their memories, and he's trying to figure out a way to escape. everyone else are doomed in the cycle.
overall, I don't see a protagonist in this game, just survivors and killers
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for a second I thought you meant the anime.
okay, here is a list of who I think each killer represent each sin:
Wraith - Oni
Gluttony - Clown
Lust - Nightmare
Envy - Huntress
Pride - Legion (Frank)
Greed - Blight
Sloth - Nurse
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@Elena said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1801726#Comment_1801726
It's mentioned in Plague's lore that all her followers disappeared with Adiris and were never seen again, however we don't know where they went. The entity most likely killed them and made Adiris into a killer.
I mean, it's possible that it means they never found the bodies of her people, they were in a cave and it's possible that they never found said cave.
It's possible that the Entity only took Adiris and everyone else died in the cave and were never found.
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well there are some thoughts that the Entity could be evil itself and it influence people to do bad things.
however we don't know if the Entity is responsible for the people doing bad things or if it brings people who done bad things to its realm so they can continue to do bad things.
all we know is that the Entity does what it does for survival. as sacrifices feeds its hunger
as for your question with the Plague, when she made her last pray and the Entity answered, she believed the Entity to be god after saving her, so she would follow every command that the Entity tells her to do, when she's in trials, she hunts down and put survivors on hooks because she thinks that god commands it. I don't know if she felt bad for the survivors, but she would still attack them because the Entity says so.
that's at least how I see that based on the text.
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okay I think I would do one more for this
Twins -
either like Arial said, they would stay in hiding and kill people to survive or they would realized that people, while still feeling disturbed by the conjoined twins, wouldn't discriminate or try to kill them like the people in the 17th century would, they would still have it rough and not understand the technology, so it's still bad for them.
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@abc_9000 said:
5 nights and 5 years is different.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1787482#Comment_1787482
it still have the number 5
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the Freddy in DBD is a completely different version than the Freddy in Freddy vs Jason
also Jason won that match, he raised from the waters carrying the head of Freddy (though he was still alive, he was still defeated, meaning that Jason won in my books)
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@AetherBytes said:
Springtrap would be a great fit thematically, its just the lore behind it would make it extremely hard to write spoiler free backstory for him.;
dude, most of the license character backstories are spoilers,
It would be okay to say that William Afton is a child murderer that lures them to their dermises using the Spring Bonnie suit, then later he entered one of the fazbear places to destroy the animatronics, got into the Spring Bonnie suit after seeing ghosts of the children he killed, then died in the suit after the spring locks failed to become Springtrap, then the Entity abducts him after his transformation, confused to what happened and why he's alive and stuck in the suit, then proceed to hunt down survivors in the realm.
we all know that Purple Guy and Springtrap is William Afton, the only spoilers we'll get is in Fnaf 3
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@Dito175 said:
Mcote said in an early lore stream that the events of Hallowee actually happenned in the dbd universe, so i believe neither of them are movie characters in their's repective universes.
you do realise the 'dbd universe' is the Entity Realm, it's not an actual universe but rather a pocket dimension that the Entity use to manifest places based on memories from Survivors/killers, the survivors and killers are from separate universes,
the only other logical explanation to 'the events of Halloween actually happened in the dbd universe' is that Michael, Laurie and Haddonfield are actually manifested from the collective memories of survivors who remember watching Halloween since it's a very popular film, similar to how the Minotaur came to the realm, that would explain why in the lore, there's no mention of them being abducted by the Entity...
...wait a minute...
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huh, from what I can see on his images, I can see Jeff the Killer being a Legendary cosmetic set for the Legion