Xristougenna
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@Xristougenna said:
Instant Information Sharing
Bypassing In-Game Design Limitations
Precise Timing and Synergy
Nullifying Perks and Mechanics
Eliminating Teammate RNG
Role Specialization and Synergy
Wasted Killer Time
Bully Squad Potential
Map Control and Split Pressure
Tracking Killer Perks
Erasing Mental Exhaustion
Item and Resource Poolingarent such adventages comes with discord?????
can solo survivors have such adventages ??????okay ill not say anything more, just answer are those reasons unfair adventage or not ?
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Instant Information Sharing
Bypassing In-Game Design Limitations
Precise Timing and Synergy
Nullifying Perks and Mechanics
Eliminating Teammate RNG
Role Specialization and Synergy
Wasted Killer Time
Bully Squad Potential
Map Control and Split Pressure
Tracking Killer Perks
Erasing Mental Exhaustion
Item and Resource Poolingarent such adventages comes with discord?????
can solo survivors have such adventages ?????? -
i dnt say my own idea developers says " 3. party programs which does give adventage to player arent allowed" am i wrong ?
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Aven_Fallen
- Language Barriers
- Slurs
- Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
- There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
- Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)
all of them happen in forum too why do you allow forums then ???
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wow really great reason you can make it personal choice not that hard !!!
- Language Barriers
- Slurs
- Would kill the game for Streamers if it is balanced around everyone having VC (you cannot have VC as a Streamer, since you might rish losing your Twitch Account)
- There are already alternatives, so there would be no reason for people to use ingame voice chat
- Immersion (not everyone wants to talk to others, but those people would be at a severe disadvantage if the game would be balanced around the 4 Survivors being able to communicate all the time)
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you says devs said they would do anything for money!!!!!
guess why devs need to explain something like this?
and if its okay why they dont add something like this on game i wanna play alone and speak with other survivors ?
doesnt this give adventage to swfs? -
cheats are same even 2002 or 2026 is it matter behavioyr says 3 party programs and which gives adventage to player is cheat ? so i dont think thiey they speak about fantasies tells informations about other players!
if its legal then add vice communication on games
cheat is cheat you can look my past no matter -
@NeverSolus said:
This is a common problem in gaming and game balancing. It's not unique to BHVR, and there is no way to disable voice comms on such games short of very invasive detection software. Even then it wouldn't stop people from running discord on their phone or something else, and would greatly diminish attraction of the game to people if they cannot play with their friends.
There's not really much that can be done about this. Communication is overpowered, evolution tells us as much, but there's no real way to adjust games like this for that feature.so you mean if they can fight they allow it ? there are much way againist it but i bet they dont care it as long as they earn money from it think
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cheats are allowed in this game dude :D
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@HugTheHag said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3468770#Comment_3468770
I'm sorry but I don't understand at all what you're offering.
There would be one less perk slot for people queueing up together and killer gets some info ?
That wouldn't solve the fact that casual swfs are not doing that good with 4 perk slots available, and would not differenciate swfs with and without comms...
Also would be interesting to determine what info the killer gets.
Are there better adventage than communication in game?
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@crogers271 said:
Unfair isn't really the best word choice to look at. It's more an issue that the game inevitably tries to balance around both swf and soloq.
If there was a way to create SWF brackets and soloq brackets with different balancing, I'd be all for it. I enjoyed playing survivor pre the HUD where what was going on around the map was a mystery.
Unfortunately, there's really no way to implement such a system.
According to EULA that should be illegal, but you know developer earn more from fanbase, so they want hold majority. We also saw that from last update they accepted Soloq needs buff.
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@HugTheHag said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3468716#Comment_3468716
How would the game make the difference between swf with comms, swf without comms, casual/bad swfs (that by the devs' own stats do not have a significantly higher escape rate) and very good swfs ?
Sounds complicated to punish one thing without unbalancing it for two others...
(Not looking to be agressive, just wondering !)
Easy, make it part of game, if you play with friends you can use oblgatory that perk you can speak with friends , but ofc if you speak with them killer get a information.... isnt it much better ?
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@Xernoton said:
Unfair in the sense that it should be bannable? No. Definitely not. Under no circumstances.
Unfair in the sense that it gives you a huge advantage? Definitely. No argument there.
Who told about ban? and if its not give adventage why people use it?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3353654#Comment_3353654
So you dont have an answer and just want to rant, because you just lost a game assuming that they were an SWF on Comms.
Understood.
Answer me 3rd party programs are allowed as developers say????
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@VikingDragonXii said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/365805/behaviour-allows-cheat-in-game
You know DbD is THIER game right....so they can approve what can and can't be used. Just because you say it's a cheat dosnt make it so. Also how can they stop it since they have NO control over console systems and the use of chat features on there?
So if you look this wayi we are customer right? would you accept defected stuffs?
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3353645#Comment_3353645
You did not answer the question.
i dont think this is my businness!! if you want proper advices you can pay me, am i wrong?
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@MrPeanutbutter said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/365805/behaviour-allows-cheat-in-game
Yes, an unfair advantage is allowed. A lot of killers still play the game regardless. Until that changes, BHVR won’t change their position. Even if they wanted to, how would they prevent the use of 3rd party software running separately from the game itself?
As i heard at Dark souls such system for example, i am not software engineer but if they want it there are plenty of ways
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@oxygen said:
Out of curiosity, how exactly would you even try to stop it?
We can even ignore how developers aren't even allowed to interfere with the party chat systems on consoles if that makes it easier to answer.
There are plenty of ways about it, but devs dont sadly dont listen, i guess they have fear of a lose player base, so even we say add communication in game, they also reject cause of unfair adventage, but that easier way, you can do anything as long as you play..
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@KingFieldShipper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335267#Comment_3335267
You even said it yourself right there - cheating is the "subversion of the rules or mechanics".
Rules for the game are here:
We do not ban for the use of communication apps.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/9O82I51L7H2V/image.png
When looking for this quote I even found this old thread you, yourself, made that got closed with several people telling you this, including a different mod : https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/349370/swf-and-discord
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/ISO1OMOYSEB5/image.png
So, no, swf or comms are not cheating - it's not against the TOS. If comms were cheating, they would clearly be labeled in there as such.
There no comms in game mechanics? if 3nd party programs allowed for play, why not i use wallhack? i prefer see killer/survivor than hear it from others thats same?
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@KingFieldShipper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334945#Comment_3334945
No, discord is not cheating nor is it against the rules.
According the wikipedia "Cheating in online games is the subversion of the rules or mechanics of online video games to gain an unfair advantage over other players, generally with the use of third-party software."
Who say its not cheat? The company who earn cash from it or who uses it ...
i can say many many many many times wall-hack isnt cheat, aimbot isnt cheat; however this doesnt make it right!
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@KingFieldShipper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334994#Comment_3334994
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/HBA225FFADFD/waka-flocka-ok.gif
Discord and comms aren't cheats. This has been said many many many many many times. I don't think there is really not much to comment on this further.
According the wikipedia "Cheating in online games is the subversion of the rules or mechanics of online video games to gain an unfair advantage over other players, generally with the use of third-party software."
Who say its not cheat? The company who earn cash from it or who uses it ...
i can say many many many many times wall-hack isnt cheat, aimbot isnt cheat; however this doesnt make it right!!!
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@KingFieldShipper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334795#Comment_3334795
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3333893#Comment_3333893
Seriously, what are you talking about? When has bhvr said cheats are ok? Who likes playing with cheats or cheaters? The majority sure don't.
Guess, discord is cheat for this game and isnt it allowed?
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@Blinckx said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3333893#Comment_3333893
Since they're not doing anything about it, I'm starting to really think that's the case
What makes me angry is that cheaters not only ruin the game, but if I decide not to play against them, I also get a penalty for disconnecting and that's ridiculous
I would really like to receive an official answer, what should I do since the reports are useless, if I disconnect I have a penalty, if I don't do anything in the game well...I waste time so..BHVR tell me what to do in case of cheaters in game? Nothing ? Listen some music ? Watch a movie ? Uninstall the game ?
Dont feel so but developers care customer happiness, if majority likes play with cheat and few not, community will support the crowd one, you know sometimes, who pays more are right.
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Dont worry, bhvr repeatly told that cheats are allowed.
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@Rudjohns said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3331938#Comment_3331938
I am in South America and half the players here speak a different language than mine
In-game voice chat doesn't work
Oh yea then we must install external softwares and solve the problem...
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@proxy_taxfraud said:
My guy, in 5 years of playing this game I have not used coms even once.
But people maybe use coms because, idk, they enjoy talking with their friends while they play together? Wild, I know.
Sorry dont take it personal, i mean who use this but,
No doubt they can play game without comms and enjoy, you dont need any 3nd party softwares :) moreover you dont must play this game for enjoy talking with friends also :D
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@proxy_taxfraud said:
Because every swf is a pretend comp team and you only face those. There's also no way to control your mmr to get the kind of games you want. What a predicament.
Coms are not the issue. The issue is that you either don't know how to pick your fights or you're just not as good as them.
Coms don't help you if you're bad. So coms cannot be what you complain about. I think this is why they brought bots into the custom lobby. You should consider giving that a try sometime.
Why do you need Comms then ?
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@burt0r said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3331506#Comment_3331506
Hence why most games either have it built in or a substitute in Form of an extensive ping system or, in case of most competitive eSports titles, even both.
My comment was aimed at bhvrs unwillingness to implement general voice chat.
"But people bhave like aholes in voice chat" - then mute them (not your words specifically but it's the general "counterargument"). It's the only option in every other mainstream game like rainbow six siege or overwatch. Also language barrier is another point but that's also the same for all games and not a problem to keep VC out of them.
Just like playing team games solo, opting out of built in voice chat is a disadvantage people have to choose and accept and shouldn't be the standard that can be circumvented with external 3rd party software.
Ah sir when i tell similar things, bunch players blaming me. Affrights of losing hughe adventage on gameplay, that remind me some MMORPG games which let bots allow for hold their playerbase :/
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@proxy_taxfraud said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3331502#Comment_3331502
You know it's literally impossible to prevent third party communication, right?
its possible for example; by adding voice communication in game and there should be an option like " playing with swf" On-Off .
but developers dont want it too because they must change whole of balance in game , so new system are also good but however swf still need discord ( ofcourse for chating with friends nothing more )
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@proxy_taxfraud said:
I think he's just mad he has nobody to swf with. Give him some love, guys.
Fanboy mocking because has nothing more to say, who said that to you ?
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@LordSturm said:
why are you so hostile about it? lmao
if you didn't notice, they added a HUD to tell you what the other survivors are doing, specifically to start closing the gap between solo queue and SWF
Fanboys are reading what they want only, i never told developers said its illegal, they just dont want lose huge of playerbase, but does ist change anything? if its ok why they dont add it as "PART OF GAME" so you accept there were unbalance between swf and solo as you say we can see what others do right? just few weeks ago but before?
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@[Deleted User] said:
The developers have said repeatedly that it is not cheating and does not give a significant advantage in the majority of cases.
You know developers care their cash, and ask yourself why developers need to say it repeatdly..... ofcourse they would play three monkeys, so i ask why they dont bring voice cheat inside game, i ask that ?
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@VoidOfMe said:
Hm, but how would you fix that?
And why do you think an in game voice chat would be better for the game than discord?
curious to see what you come up with.
No, and i even know fellow fanboys gonna demonize me becuase i tell this but isnt it cheat? That even isnt part of game. You don't need third party programs to play a game, so, it's, obviously, being used to gain the advantage, rather than to talk to your friends., i hope you got what i mean
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@Shroompy said:
Depends what kind of 3rd party software were talking here. If its something like filters, custom icons or one thats been popping up recently which is the auto bloodweb script then youll be fine. As mentioned before though, BHVR does not ban for it and wont do so. But if Easy Anti Cheat sees something going on then they might, and if you do get banned because of them its in their hands, not BHVR.
If its something that gives you progression/cosmetics, or just straight up cheats. That ones obviously not allowed
Thats what i ask about, but people get me wrong, i meant cheat or etc , just softwares or adjustment, i am personaly dont use anything!! but curious what is the limit? for example if a program is acceptable by EAC but however gives the player adventage shall it be okay for developers?
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@tippy2k2 said:
Third party software would be against the rules. While BHVR doesn't actively go after harmless things like custom profile pics for survivors and killers, if the automated system bans you for it, they won't help you. So you're playing with fire if you mess around with the game.
but people are not banning and asked support and checked forum and they said its legal
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Behaviour look for cash and its cheaper to play 3 Monkeys, so i guess no, but you can for tell it to loud.
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@VikingDragonXii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3216104#Comment_3216104
As I said the DEVS and MODS have said that Discord IS ALLOWED so it's dosn't matter howany times you post the EULA of the Developers of the game say a program is ok and approved to use them there's nothing we can say about it
True, devs look their salary from game gameplay fairplay isnt important :)
so no sense for play this game anymore i think :D
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@SpaghettiVase said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3216146#Comment_3216146
Then I genuinely don't know what point you're trying to make. Solo queue being bad isn't the fault of people "cheating" with discord calls. Also a lot of things give you an advantage in this game but no one is going to ban you for them. For example having a good internet connection, having a better pc or new gen console, if you stream and you change your perk icons to intentionally avoid stream sniping. These give "advantages" but they aren't fundmentally breaking the way the game is meant to be played. The game is not going to die because people are swfing.
look at things you compared omg :/ i am sad for you
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@SpaghettiVase said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3216132#Comment_3216132
You're not gonna win an argument acting this way. The Devs themselves have said it's not bannable. Arguing that it should because of vague EULA wording isn't gonna win them over.
I know and i am not gonna try to win anything ( this discussion i wont change anything here) , just as i thought game gonna die and developer trying to hold remainder in game , thats why continually changing gameplay mechanics ( like solo survivor nearly unplayable now ) what will happen next time, kind of cheat and hacks will been unseen by developers, if you share that anywhere you wont get proper support.
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@SoylentPixie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3216104#Comment_3216104
Mods have said time and time again that this example does NOT cover using comms. It is not bannable or considered cheating by BHVR . If you are unconvinced, simply @ a mod and they will confirm it for you.
Regardless of your opinion or interpretation of the rules, this has already been covered many times.
But EULA says different, so please answer me sir; does it gives unfair adventage to swf or not ?
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@ChurchofPig said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3216091#Comment_3216091
If you're going to throw out there the EULA and how it's "illegal" to talk to people over discord while playing, you're insinuating you want these people banned from the game. So, you.
Direct copy from EULA;
Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications.
Facilitate, create or maintain any unauthorized connection to the Game, including without limitation and (b) any connection using programs or tools not expressly approved by BHVR:
from Wiki;
Cheating in online games is the subversion of the rules or mechanics of online video games to gain an unfair advantage over other players, generally with the use of third-party software.
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@ChurchofPig said:
You want the dbd devs to ban people for using something you have 0 proof is being used by specific survivors?
Also, this is a really big stretch
who told ban?
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@VikingDragonXii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/349370/swf-and-discord
No they already have said that using Discord is not against the EULA.
That wasnt the answer what i asked, doesnt discord giving adventage?
and are there something difference than any kind WH or etc ?