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  • One new thing, at first I thought this was an overall nerf because of a lot of nerfs being done, but that was because I didn't correctly read shadowdance and thought it only sped up vaulting and gen damage.
    Shadowdance speeds up pallet breaking as well... and with that addon the wraith is incredible, any good add-on plus shadowdance is a good overall wraith, and even with the secret nerf where they removed his blood sense, and the other nerfs like replacing perfectly good addons with the cancer that is serpent, etc. he still comes out better thanks to the shadowdance add-on. I think sincerely that wraith would be a perfectly good killer, high-ish to high tier even, if he ahd his blood sense returned to him while he's cloaked, because as it is his sight of blood is legitimately worse than other killers, cloaked and uncloaked. He still is great but he is nowhere near as good at tracking as he was now that he is utterly blind to blood.

    Seriously, give back the wraith's bloodsense and he'd be high tier in my opinion, he's already higher than he was with this set.

    secondly, while it really did turn out to be a buff overall to the wraith, I must say that secretly removing bloodsense is by far still the worst thing about the patch, not even because it is a stupid nerf or a bad one, but because, as I said before, the devs did it secretly.

  • @Boss said:

    @FEARTHEGHUS said:

    @Boss said:

    Oh yeah.
    Well that only makes "Swift Hunt" Add-ons that much better, since they don't have to make up for 1 second "Windstorm" instead of me thinking they didn't have to make up for 0.5 seconds "Windstorm".

    There's a problem with the swift hunts now too though, and it's that they are still as good as they were but have been nerfed by being made more rare, that sucks because they always used to be a must have add-on, with windstorm or all-seeing as one of the other two, or blink or another swifthunt if you like that playstyle.
    They're like windstorm now, incredibly important but too rare to be used all the time, therefore you have to just play some games where you either take no add-ons or bad add-ons and basically accept that not only are you disadvantaged by playing the killer, not only are you disadvantaged by playing wraith, but now you're extra disadvantaged by not having the add-ons you need.
    And since the duel windstorm add-on set is basically the only way to play wraith now, even though swifthunt is really good you won't have room for it, and even though windstorm is good it's already somewhat rare as an add-on and you use 2 every game.

    Duel "Windstorm" the only way to play Wraith?
    Now that's just not true.
    Might i suggest you try other builds for more than just 2-3 matches?

    Wraith was my first main and i've always loved the idea of shortening your Power usage.
    So, naturally, i was drawn to "Swift Hunt" Add-ons for Wraith.
    What did that do to my inventory?

    HUNDREDS OF "SWIFT HUNT" ADD-ONS!

    Though "Swift Hunt" - Soot is now gone and a new one arrived, i still have hundreds of the 2 middle ones.
    And let me tell you, they're work JUST as great.

    I stand by my point that: "Swift Hunt" Add-ons are not extraordinary like Shape's Fragrant Tuft Of Hair or Hillbilly's amazing collection of medium buffs on Carburetor Tuning Guide, but it's more than good enough for me to have it be the first thing i grab from his Bloodwebs.

    Obviously they're just as good, but if you use swift hunt constantly you can't restock it well if they're all rare and you have bad luck with the bloodweb like I do.

  • I'm starting to wonder if some killer add-ons (none of the spirit levels and probably none of teh blood ones either) should be made into add-on perks, so that tehy don't go away after every game.

    This I just thought up now so if it's stupid that's because it wasn't well thought out, and if it's not then yay, lucky me.

  • @Boss said:

    Oh yeah.
    Well that only makes "Swift Hunt" Add-ons that much better, since they don't have to make up for 1 second "Windstorm" instead of me thinking they didn't have to make up for 0.5 seconds "Windstorm".

    There's a problem with the swift hunts now too though, and it's that they are still as good as they were but have been nerfed by being made more rare, that sucks because they always used to be a must have add-on, with windstorm or all-seeing as one of the other two, or blink or another swifthunt if you like that playstyle.
    They're like windstorm now, incredibly important but too rare to be used all the time, therefore you have to just play some games where you either take no add-ons or bad add-ons and basically accept that not only are you disadvantaged by playing the killer, not only are you disadvantaged by playing wraith, but now you're extra disadvantaged by not having the add-ons you need.
    And since the duel windstorm add-on set is basically the only way to play wraith now, even though swifthunt is really good you won't have room for it, and even though windstorm is good it's already somewhat rare as an add-on and you use 2 every game.

  • @Boss said:
    So far i've had GREAT results in any match on most ranks using "Windstorm".
    The built-in version is exactly like the weakest former version of "Windstorm" and frankly, that's all i need.

    Though just using "Swift Hunt" isn't anything exciting, you can never ever go wrong equipping this.

    Now combine their strongest versions and you got a Wraith that comes pretty dang close to applying just as much presence pressure like Hillbilly does. (I say "presence pressure", cause Wraith can't 1-hit like Hillbilly.)

    Inflicting Mangled is pretty neat, always good to waste that much more of their time.

    Lots of Add-ons i still don't like though.

    Inflicting Blindness is very meh. Like, yeah, it's a debuff. But it's as if you just made someone 1% slower at repairing: Very very very underwhelming.

    Seeing nearby Survivor auras? Ehh, as Wraith, you usually see them anyway.

    Seeing Generator aura intensities based on their progression is neat i guess. I just don't want it, and i don't think the rarity fits this ability.

    "Shadow Dance" is a great concept, but often useless since you need to be cloaked. You'll need some serious mindgaming and more luck than you want to put these to effective use in chases.

    The stealth Add-ons are pretty much only good if you combine them with another one. Such Add-ons become very unattractive once you run out of 1 of the 2.

    "Blink" hasn't changed. I gotta admit, it's kinda fun to just poof out of existence, you barely have to hold the button. But it's only aesthetically appeasing, nothing practical about it.

    What i like about Wraith is being able to get up to someone without them noticing me.
    So naturally, i heavily dislike the Common Add-ons that undo my cloak whenever i break a pallet or damage a Generator, and the one that doesn't hide my terror radius. (Opinions different from yours exist.)

    There are very few Killers who have Add-on arsenals that consist more of likeable than dislikeable Add-ons for me btw, so take in this list of opinions with that in mind.

    Honestly the changes to the wraith's add-ons are somewhat mixed, a bunch of nerfs but a few buffs. The real issue is the secret nerfs the devs gave him, because not only do they suck but the devs stabbed us in the back with an advertised buff to wraith that was really an overall nerf, they lied to us and that's why I'm finally done playing this for a while, not even because they made wraith even worse than he used to be in the meta (except for duel windstorm, the only thing he can do now, but at least it's funny for a few times using it) but because they did it and lied about it, I can support a game with good promise but where the devs make genuine mistakes, I've been doing that for this long, I can even support a game where they ruin my main again and again, did it for overwatch and others, I can just play survivor for a while, sure it's nothing like the fun I had but I'm quite used to games becoming nothing like they were before, sad as that is. What I cannot support is a game where the devs outright say with their actions during EVERY PATCH "######### you killers" and in this patch specifically "not only ######### you killers in general, but ######### you in particular wraith mains" and I really can't support a game where not only do the devs say ######### me every other day, but also where they lie to me and to everyone else about it.

  • @Boss said:
    So far i've had GREAT results in any match on most ranks using "Windstorm".
    The built-in version is exactly like the weakest former version of "Windstorm" and frankly, that's all i need.

    Though just using "Swift Hunt" isn't anything exciting, you can never ever go wrong equipping this.

    Now combine their strongest versions and you got a Wraith that comes pretty dang close to applying just as much presence pressure like Hillbilly does. (I say "presence pressure", cause Wraith can't 1-hit like Hillbilly.)

    Inflicting Mangled is pretty neat, always good to waste that much more of their time.

    Lots of Add-ons i still don't like though.

    Inflicting Blindness is very meh. Like, yeah, it's a debuff. But it's as if you just made someone 1% slower at repairing: Very very very underwhelming.

    Seeing nearby Survivor auras? Ehh, as Wraith, you usually see them anyway.

    Seeing Generator aura intensities based on their progression is neat i guess. I just don't want it, and i don't think the rarity fits this ability.

    "Shadow Dance" is a great concept, but often useless since you need to be cloaked. You'll need some serious mindgaming and more luck than you want to put these to effective use in chases.

    The stealth Add-ons are pretty much only good if you combine them with another one. Such Add-ons become very unattractive once you run out of 1 of the 2.

    "Blink" hasn't changed. I gotta admit, it's kinda fun to just poof out of existence, you barely have to hold the button. But it's only aesthetically appeasing, nothing practical about it.

    What i like about Wraith is being able to get up to someone without them noticing me.
    So naturally, i heavily dislike the Common Add-ons that undo my cloak whenever i break a pallet or damage a Generator, and the one that doesn't hide my terror radius. (Opinions different from yours exist.)

    There are very few Killers who have Add-on arsenals that consist more of likeable than dislikeable Add-ons for me btw, so take in this list of opinions with that in mind.

    The built in version is actually exactly like the windstorm white, not the weakest version, as it gives a full second of speedboost, it's one of the few actual buffs Wraith got, the weakest windstorm before was a .5 second speed boost but it had no drawbacks, this one has the windstorm white's speed boost effect of 1 second but does not have the draw back to decloaking time.

  • @Wolf74 said:

    @FrenziedRoach said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    How do you "work around" decreased speed while UNCLOAKED?
    That's basically reduced speed during any regular chase(!?)

    The new Windstorm only decreases your speed while you are transitioning to uncloaked. So you mitigate it by running Swift Hunt to make your uncloaking time faster. Ergo, you spend less time in the nerfed speed. The Windstorm perk is very clear, its UNCLOAKING speed, not UNCLOAKED. If it's not doing this, there is clearly a bug that needs to be fixed

    Phillip is still a 115% killer by the Wiki - and the guy who updates it regularly is usually very thorough about keeping the information updated and accurate.

    I hope you are right… I am not research-guy and have to wait for other to confirm that it's a bug.

    I have to say, playing wraith I know that he is right about windstorm, it doesn't lower your uncloaked speed it just makes you practically immobile while uncloaking, which is fine actually when you use it well, it's honestly one of the few actual buffs the wraith got, that and coxcomb and the default 1 second speed boost.

    however I noticed, but did not confirm by timing a distance run or anything, that wraith definitely seems slower both cloaked and uncloaked, especially uncloaked, than he used to.

  • @Peasant said:

    @sulaiman said:
    yesterday, i was accused of camping the whole game, because the last 3 gens were close together, and i wouldn´t leave them to chase one.

    Wait. Three generators were close together? Congratulations! You now have the 1 scenario where Surveillance can actually do something!

    it still sucks

  • @Orion said:
    Ignore them. You might as well ask a gazelle what it thinks of the lion.

    well admittedly we're talking about gazelles that can shove the lion around, body block it, throw pallets onto it, blind it with flashlights, and loop it forever, and there's four of them at once, also they stab the lion. Really the gazelles collectively hurt the lion more than it hurts them.

  • @The_Fallen_Utopia said:
    I've been playing as the Wraith alot since his changes and I'm wondering what are some builds I could try? I don't mind whether they are the most effective builds or just meme ones I just want something new to try. 

    There's only one real build for wraith anymore:

    double windstorm and anything else you want.

    anything else and you either camp every hook or deal with the sadness of his extra nerf

  • @FrenziedRoach said:
    Standard Doc Build
    Distressing
    Disturbing Presence
    Nurses Calling
    BBQ n Chili (This one sometimes get's swapped out for Franklin's Demise or Huntress Lullaby)

    RailGun Doc Build (To be used with Polished Electrode and Interview Tape for maximum Meme-factor with the 35 meter shock))
    Monitor and Abuse
    Nurses Calling
    Ruin
    BBQ and Chili

    Railgun doc just sounds awesome.

  • @MegMain98 said:
    Seeing how Trapper, Hag, and Wraith all have gotten reworks/new add-ons and quality of life changes, who are the next killers to be reworked? Obviously Freddy is one of them but is there any other killers that really need reworking? Maybe Leatherface could use some reworking and ultra rare add-ons but every other killer seems to have a good balance

    Wraith needs to either have his entire rework reverted or at least half of it needs to be reverted.
    The devs didn't say this in the patch notes but they took away his bloodsense and lowered his default speed secretly, and multiple other players have confirmed this.

    he only has 2 real buffs, the speed boost after uncloaking, and the coxcomb clapper and bone clapper were made actually useful, everything else except for windstorm and possibly shadowdance is worse, and the all-seeings, while not nerfed, are so rare now and have no all seeing white to have the basic add-on, making the bit of a buff they got not only rather useless but counteracted by the overall nerf by not having lower rarity versions. Serpent is made solely so you can hurt yourself as killer, it has no use and only serves to waste an add-on space and make it so every time you break a gen you're forced to uncloak, which many may remember is how wraith used to be years ago, but that was taken out in order to buff him a tiny bit, and honestly if you run serpent you've asked to lose. Furthermore, with it as a common it constantly fills up the bloodweb and gets between you and any good stuff so that you have to waste money on it for no reason other than ######### you because you're a killer and ######### you even more because you play wraith, the second lowest tier killer, who we of course just nerfed because ######### you killers.
    His swift hunt perks are mostly unchanged except that they're rarer now, which is surprisingly enough a HUGE nerf since they always used to be so necessary. Wraith's only good side was his ability to camp, his good add-ons to crutch on, and if you loved his playstyle, which I did. He's lost basically all that now.

    Furthermore, in order to regain his bloodsense at all you must either waste one of you only 4 perk slots (the devs would've added literally shooting your killer in the foot but they thought that might be overkill, they have some standards at least...) with bloodhound, or waste one of your add-on slots with hound, a much worse version of bloodhound.

    Further info on the bloodsense nerf, not only is his bloodsense gone, but the blood is far duller and more colorless than it is for any other killer now, and it goes away within 1-2 seconds, period.

    the worst part about the wraith nerf, because it is in no way a "rework" and the devs will be damned if it's a legitimate buff, is that half of the nerf was done secretly, they don't say in the patch notes that they took away the bloodsense, they don't say that they made it worse than other killers even though the entire point of the wraith is cloaking and tracking, both of which they're pretty well devastating, and the don't say that they nerfed his movement speed, and while that is not confirmed by many players a few have noticed it, myself included.
    The worst part about this nerf, to summarize, is that the devs lied to us and especially to wraith players, and furthermore kicked us while we were down.

  • Shadowborn is good in general if you have nothing better, I like it especially because eit basically negates the circle juking and trying to hide by a corner during a chase that some survivors do. It's just a nice perk to have if you like it, but it's got asically no objective benefit.

  • The worst thing when you think about it is that they heavily nerfed him, the second worst killer in the game, and they nerfed him.
    Might as well just stop it with the symbolism and make the message fully direct, any time a player plays wraith the wraith lies down on the ground and leaves an aura so that all the survivors can come and get 1,000,000 bloodpoints to kick him while he's down.

  • @Wolf74 said:

    @George_Soros said:
    They wanted to give a reason to use Bloodhound perk, but an alternative as well if you'd rather use a cheap addon instead of a perk slot. It's all good.

    I still can't see how3 the changes are a buff to Wraith.
    Pro:
    -faster while cloaked (minimal buff, hardly noticeable)
    -Windstorm effect build into the kit (hardly noticeable)
    -some useless add ons got new (some better, some still useless) effects

    Con:
    -uncloaking became slower (which which was already to slow since the last failed rework)
    -Windstorm add on got a severe drawback
    -Bloodhoundeffect was removed from being cloaked (moved to a common add on)

    I disagree with one thing, the default speedboost after uncloaking is actually a good buff, the real problem is that even with that and with a few add-on buffs like the coxcomb clapper finally becoming useful in some way is FAR outweighed by the add-on nerfs and the SECRET (the worst part of this entire nerf is that the devs blatantly lied to us and hid half the nerf) bloodsense nerf.

    and you missed a few nerfs, the few good perks left have all become at least 1 level rarer, the swift hunt perks are too rare now, and the only all-seeings left are the 2 ultra rare kinds, and the buffs they were given aren't enough to make up for the lack of a all seeing white that is just basic.
    Also serpent, just the idea of having serpent as a perk wasting space on the bloodweb and having to be bought in order to get other things is horrible, it spits in your face every time you have to buy it, that's why it's called a serpent, it's a spitting cobra.

  • @MegaWaffle said:
    I'm not sure why everyone hates that he no longer has bloodhound built into his power. Every other killer tracks just fine without it and it isn't hard to do the same with Wraith.

    there are two big reasons why that in particular (and it's only one of the many nerfs wraith got) is a big problem. 1: not only did he lose his bloodsense, he now has it so that blood is more dull and colorless than other killers, and it goes away almost immediately. So it's not that he's the same as other killers now (which is still a nerf and something that is bad for the wraith in articular, who specializes in the tracking style and who is already sharing the bottom with freddy.) it's that it is significantly worse than the other killers, so the killer built around tracking basically loses ALL ability to track blood because the blood has been replaced by quickly evaporating tiny mud puddles, that's not how other killers see it, it's worse.
    2: this is the most important reason why. The scumbag devs did it secretly, along with what I highly suspect is an overall speed nerf to the wraith. They've taken all that he was about away from him and in return took away more good add-ons of his and replaced them with cancer like serpent, actively built only to hurt you if you use it and to waste an add-on slot, and the last thing they do after all that nerfing, is advertise the only buffs they gave him, which in total is still a HUGE nerf to the 2nd lowest ranked killer in the game, he might even be the exact bottom now, freddy might be better, though admittedly freddy is SO bad that I doubt it still.

    The real reason we're all pissed off is because the devs lied to us again, they advertised a buff that was really a nerf and that was just the add-ons which is only half the nerf, the other half was done in secret because ######### you wraith mains and honestly ######### you killers in general, that's what they're saying here, it's what they say in every patch, and it's what Matheu almost literally said by advising killers to play different games and then faking an apology.

    Even with how broken this game has been from nearly the beginning, I have NEVER complained on a forum, never complained to friends really, and have even told a friend about the game and said he should buy it so we can play together in this game as well. Honestly? ######### that, that was before the patch, the last straw. I can't enjoy my favorite killer anymore because they took a very low tier killer and nerfed him into the ######### core of the Earth just to twist the knife they stabbed in all us killers already for yet another turn of the knife.
    I am telling my friend not to buy this game until something, anything, for once in the dev's lives, gets fixed, and we all know they're never going to fix a single thing, and that he's not going to buy this game, and that I'm not going to play this game. I loved this game even though it was broken, I loved playing wraith and liked playing survivor and liked playing other killers, but this is the last straw, I was loyal to this game and played on through the trolling, the toxicity, the broken mechanics, everything. But this, this was the most blatant "######### you" I've ever gotten from a developer of a game in my life, really one of the most blatant "######### you" 's I've ever received, and you know what, ######### you too devs, if you're not going to fix this then be glad because your wish has been granted, another killer left your game.
    their secret story line must be that the survivors and entity worked together the whole time to crush the hope of the killers instead of the survivors until every killer finally broke down and were made able to leave the entity's realm, all until the last killer left, the survivors and entity (the devs) celebrate their victory, and that's the 'happy' ending to DbD, that or they'd better retrofit that into their story, because it's happening and has been for a while.

    Another one bites the dust.

  • @FrenziedRoach said:
    The Windstorm drawback can be worked around by playing Swift-Hunt opposite of it. This seems fair to me as the better versions of Windstorm give Wraith considerably better mobility (no joke, have you seen how fast he runs now with a purple Windstorm? it's insane!)

    Frankly, I think most of you just aren't being creative enough with him.

    Those who were good with him before are now going to destroy with him. I think you are underestimating the boy. I may be switching to him for awhile myself.

    I've used the supersonic wraith, and the silent but deadly wraith, and all kinds of funny and good wraith setups, but he's been heavily nerfed, they just didn't put it in the patch notes.
    It's confirmed by the wailing bell now that they removed his bloodsense and that they made it actively worse than that of other killers, and I am pretty sure from playing him that his overall speed has been nerfed, especially his default cloaked speed. Lots of his good perks are gone and replaced with things like serpent, I don't care how imaginative you are, serpent is not a buff, it's an add-on made solely to hurt you as killer, not give you any bloodpoints for it, and waste a perk slot, and seeing as hound is needed now to counteract the bs secret nerf they did to wraith, that's both slots taken away, it doesn't matter how good the few actually buffed add-ons are if you can't use more than one of them, and in order to use them both you need a supplement for hound which is the bloodhound perk, which means you now only have 3 perk slots for actually good perks.

    There is simply no way around this, not only did they secretly nerf the wraith, but they didn't admit it in patch notes, they did it quietly and behind our backs because they're scummy devs, they must hate the killers at this rate, and this kind of lying from them makes sense when you see the game director, Matheu, telling killers to play a different game, and then giving a fake apology.
    Honestly, the devs have shown their true colors, and if they want so badly for me to play something else, congrats, they finally get their wish until they fix this, as though they'll ever fix anything, they never buff killers in reality, only nerfs, and they always and constantly buff survivors more and more even though they were op to begin with, and the only time they're not nerfing a killer and buffing the survivors they're just breaking gameplay in general.

  • @Wolf74 said:
    How do you "work around" decreased speed while UNCLOAKED?
    That's basically reduced speed during any regular chase(!?)

    What I hate most about this nerfing of wraith is that they did it quietly, no part of the patch notes says they took away his bloodsense, they advertised huge buffs while either sidestepping or completely hiding the far greater nerfs.
    To actually buff the wraith, they need to keep that default speed boost after uncloaking, that was great, they need to keep the windstorm and coxcomb clapper since they make coxcomb finally useful and the windstorm is a good buff, and lastly they need to undo the nerfs so that he's not worse off by far than he was before the update. Give back the bloodsense, remove hound and bring back the white all seeing for it, lower the rarity of the swift hunt add-ons back to how they were, keep shadow dance if you want or throw it out, THROW OUT SERPENT NO MATTER WHAT and bring back whatever the hell it replaced (I don't remember)
    And if they nerfed his speed secretly the way they nerfed his bloodsense secretly, like the scummy devs they honestly keep proving themselves to be these days, bring back his default speed from before, since without windstorm it certainly feels like he's running on 112.5% or 110% instead of 115% and his cloaked speed isn't as fast as it used to be, I think after playing him more.

    I honestly can only really play this game as a survivor now, wraith was by far my favorite killer even though he was low tier from the start, I didn't care because his style of gameplay was awesome and I loved every second of it, I loved playing the game with him before this update, I loved the quads I constantly got as him and honestly I thought he could be played with rather similar results to the top tier killers (at least under the top 5-6 ranks). Now I played him some more and honestly I didn't have the fun I had before, not because I lost more even, since these last rounds I got kind of lucky on because the survivors borked themselves and turned a 3 escaped match into a 1 escaped match in just 30 seconds where all 3 survivors were downed and only one made it out the exit. But did I have fun winning that round? No, in fact it almost stung more because I knew damn well it was going to be a 1 kill match until the survivors killed themselves, it's bad enough killers tend to have no control over the gameplay and have to react to survivor mistakes to win, at least before this patch it felt like I had some control, like I could at least play mind games, now it's just #########, it feels bad when I lose, and it feels almost worse when I win, what kind of a game is like that? DbD is, along with all the other horrible games, I loved this game, and even though I started having to play 50/50 between playing survivor and killer shortly before this patch, both were at least fun most of the time, now yet another killer for DbD has given up, because I can't keep chasing the enjoyment I used to have, I'm probably going to try anyway, but at most a few days is all it will take before I get so beaten down that I just give up for a long time and either play only survivor or just play any other game.

    sorry this reply turned out so long, I just started adding thoughts to it until it got to this point, RIP DbD, it was fun while it lasted, even if it was broken then too, but I can only be a masochist for this game for so lon before another twist of the knife finally gets me to give up on this game, chances are extremely low that the devs are going to fix this, they have basically never fixed anything in their game, never actually buffed a killer, constantly buffed the op survivors, and constantly break more of the gameplay.
    They even lied by secretly nerfing the wraith... what kind of scummy business practice is that? Makes sense coming from people like Matheu with the fake apology after literally telling us killers to play something else.

    Honestly? The first good advice he's ever given anyone, I give up, if he wants so badly for me to play something else, if he hates us killers that much, fine, I'll take him up on the offer and play literally anything else. Maybe some Friday the 13th, at least it's not broken.

  • @Wolf74 said:
    I think they completely removed the Bloodhound effect from his base kit.
    You need to use the common add on now to have that effect.
    They also seem do have nerfed his uncloak speed and Windstorm is terrible now, since any nerf to base movement speed is inacceptable.
    In general the increased speed while cloaked gets eaten up by the slower uncloak anyway.

    That really nerfs him though, because now it's really difficult to track blood, it's even harder than it is for other killers, and the crutch is to use hound, which wastes an incredibly important add-on slot, the wraith is already low tier and was, but at least he could use two add-ons and be able to be usable, now he isn't usable at all if you have to use hound every time too.> @Khroalthemadbomber said:

    0_o Windstorm add-on has been nerfed? Are you serious right now? I encourage you to either stack Windstorm and Swift Hunt together or Purple and Green Windstorms. The global map coverage you have is re-god-damn-diculous. Play the add-ons, go cloaked, dart off, and then shoot back in for the MYC drop. Honestly the only thing that can truly state this is this one video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5edkoUo36wk .

    It's honestly just different. I'm current annihilating people as the new Bing Bong. True the lack of blood glow is kinda sad but honestly I've not been needing it and honestly hadn't even frigging noticed until you mentioned it now lol.

    I didn't realize I said windstorm got nerfed, it's one of the few buffs he got and it's basically the only way to play wraith now, to win as wraith now you basically NEED the double windstorm supersonic wraith build, and there's only so many windstorm add-ons you can get when there is so much else in the bloodweb.

    Please don't twist my words or blatantly fabricate things I didn't say and claim I said them, we can't have a productive discussion if you're lying about what I said.

  • @Ihatelife said:
    Still waiting for buffs to my bae

    If it makes you feel better wraith got another nerf during this update, and killers got a nerf overall.