Evilhorst

Otz has a long history now of using Data, that he himself gathered (which already makes the data nearly worthless), for conclusions that are not logically the conclusions the data allows. Its a clear case of someone oversestimating himself a little bit when it comes to stuff like that. Thats totally normal and okay. Data is especially prone to logical fallacies and we all use it wrong sometimes.

That beeing said, everything else about him is great and i do not think that it is a bad habit to try shift perspectives. His Data though and in this particular case is 100% useless and i would be rather suprised if Otz really tried to prove what OP is suggesting. He himself knows that wins and winstreaks mean nothing. He and Tru3 pointed that out when having a discussion about that. He also pointed to Survivor Winstreaks to further cement that. So i am actually rather surprised that some people are saying now that he is trying to prove that the game is not survivor sided. He also stated himself that at high level it rather is survivor sided (same discussion with Tru3). Go and watch it.

in Otzdarva is proving you that the game is not Survivor sided Comment by Evilhorst December 8, 2021

@Seraphor said:
When someone is saying they hate how competitive the game is and how they DC when things don't go their way, and aren't content with a 2K or 50% escape rate... then you can consider my statements as advice that will improve your relationship with the game.
If you want to continue to perceive the game through the lenses of a whiney #########, feel free, your loss.

I am not getting your point. Could you specify?

in Stop telling People how to perceive and play the game Comment by Evilhorst November 20, 2021

Maybe its actually a nice ide for an add-on. It would be similar to the ones nurse an blight have. Only used to get newer players help to get the feeling right. I disagree about making this base kit though.

in Reticle for ranged killers Comment by Evilhorst July 30, 2021

@Hex_Ignored said:
They will never nerf swf because money.
So I advocate for massive rewards for killers who have to play a game where almost everything is tilted in the survivors' favor: 100% bonus bp per swf member, a safety pip, more exp and maybe even some shards.
This way the swf players aren't punished but the killer gets rewarded for playing an unfair game

I agree with you, but i think you went totally overboard with this. I think 25% extra BP per SWF (so 50% at least) are enough. Not every SWF is stronger than a full solo group, please keep that in mind. On average of course, but not in every individual game. The blatantly unfair groups are rare. The skill level needed to reach this level as a SWF is NOT as high as peopl make it to be. Not only teams like oracle are unfair. But it is true that not every SWF group in red ranks is blatantly broken. I would also not give the killer a safety pip, this would have bad consequences for the gam IMO.

in What is better nerfing SWFs or just awarding more to Killers who loses to SWFs? Comment by Evilhorst July 18, 2021

Let's say a good dead hard in a loop can save you 20 seconds, which is really low for any exhaustion perk. And nowhere near close what actually happens but alright.

Pop can save you a maximum of 275 seconds. Its kinda nonsense to use that number, because you already have won the match once you reached this (because of 11 hooks), but we gotta be REALLY trying to proof dead hard is not that strong

Considering extending a chase give survivors extra gentime a dead hard means 60 extra seconds for survivors.

That means only 5 Dead Hards are needed to outperform OPTIMAL Pop goes the weasel usage. Both things usually do not happen, however 5 dead hards are WAY more likely than 11 Pops. Also: Killer needs to perform well for pop, You do not need to perform well for DH.

There is no way anyone could ever say Pop is stronger than DH. Whoever says that is simply in denial. DH does more for survivors than Pop does for killers.

Ruin is harder to detemine as it has almost infinite potential (Same goes for DH though). We can say at the very least it gives you 14 seconds for the cleanse + whatever time the survivor need to cleanse it. We could go with the data Otz provided in a recent video (in which pop gave the killer WAY less seconds), since its the best data we have lets take it: 171 seconds. Thats literally just 3 dead hards. HOWEVER 3 dead hards happen usually in a match, a ruin staying on to achieve this amount of time is extremely rare. And even then it is heavily outperformed by dead hard or any exhaustion perk in the game.

Whoever says BBQ is stronger than ruin or pop is just beeing silly. Corrupt Intervention sure is a strong perk, still not even close to beeing as valuable as Pop and Ruin. Tinkerer is usually just a perk to make ruin and pop work well in the first place and its practically useless on Killers without some kind of way to go around the map quickly, since you have only 20 seconds to react. You also have to sometimes drop chases to gain anything from it. So we have one perk actually countering TWO Killer perks in terms of seconds gained.

-All these perks need the killer to perform well in chases and map pressure.

-Survivors have to do nothing for dead hard.

-I was beeing VERY kind with DH extending chases for "only" 20 seconds

Nobody can look at these numbers and actually be serious about saying any of these perks reach the power level of DH. It would be an absolute ludicrous, illogical statement. Thats the power of pressing E (or whatever key you have bound).

in Dead hard must be reworked Comment by Evilhorst July 15, 2021

@Northener1907 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2362523#Comment_2362523
I am Blight main and i do not think he needs changes. He is perfect already. And just keep pratice on him, when you learn him. You will see, he is monster :)

They could make his sliding and bouncing off more consistent.

in Which Killer Do You Wanna Play but You Can Not! Comment by Evilhorst July 15, 2021

@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2308259#Comment_2308259
That is one of the most disingenuous things I've ever heard. Did you not cringe a little when you said that? Trust me, everyone else did.

What more of a proof does anybody need, that you are just some troll than digging into other peoples old comments, just to get a reaction?

I mean you are getting a reaction now, me pittying you. I am not even mad, just sad that for some people, trolling is the only social interaction, they get in life.

in Dead hard must be reworked Comment by Evilhorst July 15, 2021

@SkulkingPaladin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2359900#Comment_2359900
Now if you go for B or C, why bring it over Lithe or Sprint Burst.
If you can't vault, what does a measly 2 yards get you? If you're fatigued "status," again, why can a measly 2 yards get you? Chances are, you'd just bring Lithe or Sprint and do what people are complaining about, unless you compensate it, but now you're going to have to offer compensation worth hindering yourself.
Like I said earlier, this isn't about the perk, this is about how exhaustion perks work. You'd need to address how exhaustion works as a concept, such as adding a "fatigued" status that forces slow vaults or no pallet drops. Otherwise survivors are going to just pick the next best perk and do what they're already doing.

Why can't exhaustion perks just deactivate after certain amount of uses?

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 14, 2021

Just dont look the way, i do not see the problem. I agree with it beeing completely fine!

in When will we get a nerf from Spine Chill? Comment by Evilhorst July 14, 2021

Wraith is not as easy as people claim and he has some depths to him. Survivors wanting him to get nerfed are honestly just beeing trolls or talk after their favourite streamer who poison this community with illogical reasoning.

How to counter wraith: Use Windows, Drop Pallets early (but do not let him bait you), literally any light related thing especially flashbangs, Flashbangs are actually really painful for him, they stun him even without blinding. Literally every exhaustion perk, you gotta be a little more patient with sprint burst and balanced landing though. Do not sprint too early. Split up on gens. Do the gens in dead zones first (basic survivor 101). Last but not least but it might be the most important one: Body block your hurt mates. This is especially hard for wraith to deal with.

Wraith has extreme interaction with the survivors and it is a back and forth. To me one of the best designed killers in the game. He does not need any more changes other than flashlights and flashbangs simply making it a cakewalk against him. It's kinda bullshit to be honest, but well.

He is nowhere near beeing OP. He is a killer whose powerlevel goes down big time against a SWF.

Do not let anybody tell you otherwise. It is complete nonsense.

in Is Wraith Really The New Freddy? Comment by Evilhorst July 13, 2021

@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2358018#Comment_2358018
You're telling me this after saying Dead Hard is a second health state... The irony is real.

Because in the situation that we are discussing here it is... it is not even that hard to understand. DH is turning a SAFE hit into an extended chase, without anything the killer can do. Its EXACTLY like a styptic agent would be in this situation or like already stated a 3rd health state. The consequences are exactly the same. Simply whiffing is a complete different situation. Thats on the killer, that happens due to interaction. Thats not the case with DH, because there is nothing the killer can do in loops. But of course you have to resolve to complete nonsense comparisons because you do not understand that. Thats typical and considering there are too many streamers using the same method of arguing, it is no surprise.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 13, 2021

@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2356411#Comment_2356411
Well then, we better nerf pallets and window vaults that cause killers to whiff an attack. Oh and survivors that wait till the last moment to use Sprint Burst, that cause killers to whiff. Whiffing an attack as killer is not a 3rd health state bruh.

Alright mate, please do not act like you do not know what you just said, makes absolutely zero sense. This might be one of the worst comparisons i have ever seen in this forum. I cannot fathom how some people say stuff like this without feeling ridiculous.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 13, 2021

@theplaggg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2356559#Comment_2356559
It is but that isn't the problem I'm talking about. I rarely struggle against Blights. However playing against the same build again and again gets repetitive and boring. I'd love to see something other than ruin, tinkerer, pop and bbq every time.
Hopefully the devs will buff the weaker killer perks to make some variety accessible for Blight mains.

That would honestly be a great solution, however i do not think you are playing against blight every game. So there should enough variety in gameplay or not?

in Blight is fun - Unless you're going against the same build 50 times with no stop & Sweat Lords... Comment by Evilhorst July 13, 2021

@theplaggg said:
This.
I don't mind going against a Blight but going against the same build over and over again is just boring. He's the only killer I face who has the same setup every single time.
I get that the build is efficient but you do not have to run it EVERY SINGLE GAME. Even Spirit players have more variety.

Should be very easy to get used to it and play around it then.

in Blight is fun - Unless you're going against the same build 50 times with no stop & Sweat Lords... Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@Evilhorst said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2356462#Comment_2356462
It can be frustrating yes, i'll admit that! Fair enough! But i am still pretty sure that on average people are able to use it 2-3 times in a match for extending chases. All exhaustion perks do of course. And maybe DH is not even the best one when it comes to all the numbers across the board. But it is the one with the least interactivity. If a survivor sprint bursts to a loop, they will extend the chase for a similar manner. But at the very least i know i can get them with mind games, hiding red stain , good play etc. I might not and still loose. But at least i know i have a chance.

And we are not even talking about all the other scenarios: DH is also a free escape once gates are opened. No other exhaustion perk can do that. You can avoid traps, ranged attacks etc. No other exhaustion perk can do that.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@WexlerWendigo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2356451#Comment_2356451
I mean quite frankly, I don’t care about DH. I almost always use balanced. I just think it’s ludicrous that a perk that leaves you exhausted on the floor 30% of the time can never be truly the strongest in the game.

It can be frustrating yes, i'll admit that! Fair enough! But i am still pretty sure that on average people are able to use it 2-3 times in a match for extending chases. All exhaustion perks do of course. And maybe DH is not even the best one when it comes to all the numbers across the board. But it is the one with the least interactivity. If a survivor sprint bursts to a loop, they will extend the chase for a similar manner. But at the very least i know i can get them with mind games, hiding red stain , good play etc. I might not and still loose. But at least i know i have a chance.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@WexlerWendigo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2355702#Comment_2355702
Tinkerer cannot be countered, it actives at 70% no matter what, period. Also, dead hard isn’t going to do much if the survivor is injured two seconds into the chase. Most survivors use dead hard proactively, not reactively, extending loops, as using it for avoiding hits often ends up in being exhausted on the ground. I’m not even a dead hard user, but it sounds like you’re the one baiting.

Just because you lack the creativity of playing around tinkerer it does not mean there is nothing you can do. Knowing the Killer has tinkerer opens up MANY possibilities. For example: If you know the killer is a frequent checker after Tinkerer triggers, just leave the gen at 70-75% and hide. You will make the killer waste so much time, especially if he interrupted a chase because of it. You can also block the gen with repressed alliance to counter a tinkerer into pop. I'll admit its not a direct counter as in you can do something that the perks does nothing, but you can for sure turn it against the killer. If you are in a SWF you can also exactly know if you could just finish the gen or not.

There is literally NOTHING you can do against dead hard. No mindgames, no killer power can stop you from using it to be safe. There is no interactivity whatsoever, its just you knowing you will loose 20-30 seconds more (if you are lucky) of time. And this happens every time. Lets be nice and say DH extends a chase for 20 seconds on average in perfect use. Lets also even be nicer and say this happens maybe 2 or 3 times in a game, because maybe not all Survivors have it or just not many more situations happen were DH is useful like that. Thats at the very least 40-60 seconds of more chase time. There are 3 other survivors meaning you get 120-180 seconds of gen time for completely free and just because of one perk. Thats 2 gens done for free and i am not even beeing overly drastic with these numbers. Most killer perks are not even close to giving you that much time. No regression perk is even close to beeing that strong on average when in comes to time gain. Ruin beeing up the whole game on a killer with great pressure MIGHT be able to, but ruin beeing up the whole game is rare. Its not extreme rare but it is rare. Survivors extending chases with DH is not. Its extremely common.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2355702#Comment_2355702
"It can't be countered" isn't an argument. How do you counter Open Handed, Lithe, Balanced Landing, Plunders Instinct, Tinkerer, etc etc. Perks are meant to help a player, they don't exist so they can be countered?
Also, how is Dead Hard a free second chance. You don't get an entire health state just because the killer missed you with an attack, lol. Also, it's not free, you have to spend endurance.

Bruh not getting downed is literally like a 3rd health state or at the very least like styptic agent... what do you even mean.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@Ink_Eyes said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2355698#Comment_2355698
Then propose something instead of just wanting the perk to be removed..

Make it deactivate after certain amount of uses. 2 maybe 3 times

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

I honestly like facing every killer except Doctor.

But i especially like Spirit, Blight, Nurse and Oni. They are the most challeging in chases and they make for the most diverse gameplay.

Hag i only like in SWF. She really is a pain to face in solo.

in What killers do you enjoy facing? Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@WexlerWendigo said:
Okay, so? Ruin, pop, tinkerer, NOED are also crutch perks. Are you complaining about them?

Ruin and Pop rely on the killer doing well, can also be countered.

Tinkerer can be countered.

NOED can be countered.

Dead hard is a free second chance without counter in Loops.

I also do not like Noed, but please stop the sluzzy like baiting. Its embaressing.

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

@Ink_Eyes said:
If people are using it for distance then what if we take away the dash and simply gives you endurance status for like 3 seconds?

That would be even worse hell no...

in Dead hard is the literal definition of a Crutch Perk Comment by Evilhorst July 12, 2021

A Comparison showcasing Strengths and Weaknesses? Yes absolutely i am all for it. A Comparison to showcase Killer X is better than Y by showcasing a specific scenario? Logical fallacy.

in Why most killer comparisons are nonsense Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

@BananaBlooD95 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2348133#Comment_2348133
It's still fair to make comparison.
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It's just one think, that in my opinion, can make the game not fun. IMO it's never fun to get beaten by killer that require next to no skill & you can't do much about it because they're strong.
That's simply what I see and look at the post above to see my reference
How to do have some control? Depending on where you are mobility killer and Stealth killer can come from nowhere and hit you, can't do much about that.

It depends on what you want to say by doingt that comparison. Do you want to showcase different strenghts and weaknesses? Alright. Do you want to say that Killer X is better than Y because they perform better in a specific scenario? Nonsense. Killer perfomance should be compared in general. Not by who can deal with shack better. It might be that Killer X performs better than Y overall because they are the better chase overall. But this point is not proven by comparing specific scenarios. But even a great chaser might be a bad overall killer. There are many criteria that determine how good a killer performs overall. Showcasing who deals with shack better or easier proves absolutely nothing. Its a logical fallacy to believe so. This is the most important point of my argument, i do not think i can convince you on the others. But i want to get this point across.

in Why most killer comparisons are nonsense Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

@BananaBlooD95 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2348120#Comment_2348120
From Reddit, this forum, youtube comment, having 3 discord group in my native language playing DBD & the official discord server. Those killer are disliked by a vast majority of player.

But you do realize, that this does not mean you are in position to make that statement. Especially since our social circle is heavily personalized. More so when it comes to social media or media in the internet in general. I spent a lot of time on reddit too. I cannot confirm your statement.

in Why most killer comparisons are nonsense Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

@ich_häng_mal_rum said:
i like your point of view and agree in the most parts. I think the only big issue is when you compare other killers with nurse, cause it’s hard to find any weaknesses on her. You can just say she is difficult to learn but then comes the point she overperformce... yesterday I had two games in a row against a rank 1 nurse, both with more than 5000 hours and although I think I’m competent in chases, both matches ends in 2-4 min with 5 gens left. So, it’s true that you can’t compare the different killerstrengh in multiple scenarios, but on a really good nurse you have all together in one killer: chasepotential in every situation, mappresure, anti loop/juke mechanics, snowballing... in my eyes it’s normal to ask for killerbuffs, when you see this one killer, which has all.

I agree, but i was trying to avoid a whole discussion about nurse, because the point i was trying to make is that difficulty should not be a factor when it comes to perfomance. If nurse is OP or not is a different topic.

in Why most killer comparisons are nonsense Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

@BananaBlooD95 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/265012/why-most-killer-comparisons-are-nonsense
Some killer have very similar mechanic and it's fair to compare them.
True
Well it does matter. It's not healthy for the game to have easy killer that are also strong. It's boring and painful to play against, hi spirit.
Yes and no. 90% of the player base hate playing Deathsliner, Spirit &Twins. When such big part of a community universally hate something there's a reason why and the dev should look into it.
It's true to an extent but: you don't have control over RNG nor do you have control over your team mate, especially when playing with random. Also you don't choose where you get chase nor do you have control over other survivor creating dead zone by dropping all pallet in a specific area.

1.Even Killers with similar mechanics are supposed to be different. Beeing ranged is also not a criteria that means all ranged killers have to perform the same.

2.Glad we agree:)

3.I think we just disagree on this as we both have different views on whats healthy for a game. Fair enough.

4.You are just making things up.

5.Yes you do have somewhat of control where you get chased. I already admitted that there still is RNG involved. But you have more control than you think is the point i was trying to make :)

Thanks for the reply and not beeing personal :)

in Why most killer comparisons are nonsense Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

This discussion seems kinda weird after the community literally lost their minds over Quentin. Felix also exists. Jake too. David has a shirtless skin. And why are all killers supposed to be sexy again?

in Why do the devs continually add ugly ghoul & goblin men? Comment by Evilhorst July 9, 2021

I think they are perfectly fine. Maybe make All-Seeing iri? Thats as far as i would go. Both are not even his strongest add-ons in my opinion though. The faster vault speed and pallet breaking one + the uncloaking is stronger.

in So what's your opinion on Wraith's all seeing and silent bell addon? Comment by Evilhorst July 4, 2021

If anything it was a buff for Killers, because they can no longer suicide easily in order for the last one to get hatch

in is the new struggle mechanic a buff to survivors? Comment by Evilhorst June 30, 2021

Tinkerer is completely fine and not overtuned at all. You can figure out, that the killer has it and play around it by leaving gens early. This wastes SO much time you cannot even imagine, because the killer can only kick it and has to leave again. You will always know when the killer gets the information, thus making him either waste time by making him searching for you or making him go to the gen and leave all the time. When the others stick to other gens you win.

in Tinkerer is OP Comment by Evilhorst June 25, 2021

@legacycolt said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2308237#Comment_2308237
Ok but then let’s nerf ruin, bbq, pop goes the weasel, tinkerer, corrupt intervention etc too

not even close on beeing at the same power level as dead hard lol

in Dead hard must be reworked Comment by Evilhorst June 25, 2021

@aroell said:
People who are bad do it because they can’t win by playing normally, I went from rank 1 to rank 11 now in just 1 week because I kept getting tunneled. They really need to get punished.

Nobody looses 10 ranks because killers tunnel, if you loose that many ranks you simply are bad.

in Tunneling the new strat? Comment by Evilhorst June 24, 2021

Simple Power != needing no skill. The blights power is pretty simple.

Complex Power != needing much skill.

No Killer takes 0 skill, i disagree heavily with wraith beeing easy to play. Every killer has a higher skill ceiling than survivor has.

in Which killer takes no skill to play? Comment by Evilhorst June 23, 2021

Sprint burst ist not really more annoying than DH, it feels way better to face SB than DH.

Dh has no counterplay AT all in certain situations, especially in loops.

It boggles my mind how so many survivors think it has when it really has not. Its also not just "4 extra seconds". Simply a lie, that anybody who played this game for more than 100 hours should realise, but well i am used to that.

Of all exhaustion perks this is the worst designed. The existence of stronger perks is also no justification for a perk beeing completely broken. This argument is nonsense. "Press W to outplay" does not exist.

in I am sick of "Press E to outplay" Comment by Evilhorst June 22, 2021

@Devil_hit11 said:
well maybe otz should stop doing 50 kill streaks with trapper. It gives false impressions that trapper is good. Trapper can't compete so you either accept to play weak killer or do not play trapper at all. Its like that for vast majority of the cast.

Its not Otz fault that people ate not capable of logical arguments and applying context to data. You should rather blame all the content creators who encourage a toxic and illogical approach to arguing. Otz is not one of them. But yeah its almost laughable how the devs simply do not care for the OG guy even though his problems might be fixed very easily (2 traps baskit or automatically make him generate traps every 30 seconds)

in Trapper - 5 Gens in 4mins 20s, Is this the game that BHVR wants to create, the competitive one? Comment by Evilhorst June 20, 2021

@woundcowboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2287311#Comment_2287311
This isn't true at all. I get that True can rub some people the wrong way, but to say that he is bad shows that you are either insanely biased or don't know the game. I watch all of the major streamers: True, Umbra, Otz, Scott, Bronx, and so on. They are pretty much all on the same level, which is partly a reflection of DBD's limitations. You can only be so good at the game because the game limits what you can do. The only real difference between any of them is that some slug more than others. Killer gameplay is pretty consistent among all the top streamers.

To be fair and i have to make an argument against my own position here: Almost all Killer Streamers are all around Players, there are very few who spent even 50% of their time on just one killer. Tru3 also plays 50/50 Killer and Survivor. You could argue that things would look a little different if they focused more on a few killers. It is the reality of the game that many killers just main a few and thus may be better with specific killers than any of these streamers. Is the skill ceiling that different? No, but the point still stands.

in Truetalent vs Oracle team, what do you think? Comment by Evilhorst June 19, 2021

@knell said:
Let's say that in a fighting game, a tournament level player finds that a certain character can pull off an infinite combo that none of the other characters can do, but only the top 0.01% of the player base is skilled enough to actually do it. Should the game designers of said fighting game then just ignore the infinite combo since only such a small number of players are talented enough to time it right?
Of course not, because that would be a terrible game design and overall balancing decision. Same thing here. You balance games by the best players to measure the potential and limits of that role they are playing. The fact that you rarely face those players is a horrible reason to not balance the game correctly - of course the best players are rare, that's basically the definition of being the best. Not understanding this simply shows that many people don't understand the basic concept of game design and balance.

I also feel like so many people are simply ignoring the fact, that the top % are not even using best tools in the game. Also i win so many games SIMPLY because survivors are beeing cocky and overconfident or overly altruistic. The only reason survivors are not dominating WAY harder is because they have no incentive to try hard. This game is 'balanced' by psychology and not by game mechanics. The game mechanics are completely broken. How can so many of the guys in here just ignore that? "You cannot balance around top %" is such a dense statement to make, when the top % are absolutely dominating WITHOUT the best perks and items and addons. They are simply dominating by stellar gameplay. It might be true that not many people play like this however the less skilled people use the best tools in the game and thus the gap of power is not even that big as projected by many in here. How can anyone say that this game is even remotely close to beeing alright, when you literally have no counterplay to survivors and have to rely on mistakes from the other sides. I remember Scotts Video about Spirit having no counterplay and people who let themselves beeing countered are 'just bad spirits' (no true scotsman btw). How is only beeing able to win because survivors make mistakes not the same damn thing? How is balancing around top % such a problem, but balancing around the better spirits is totally a fine thing and spirit is such a problem because of it. There is no counterplay to good survivors either. The amount of contradiction and illogical reasoning here is so incredibly frustrating. I just wish we could base a discussion like this on actual logical arguments for once. We saw top % gameplay but we did not even get to see the full potential survivors have, because again they did not even use the best tools. And this is not even considering other completely broken things like Map design, bceause they used somewhat 'balanced' maps.

in Truetalent vs Oracle team, what do you think? Comment by Evilhorst June 19, 2021

@Munqaxus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2285655#Comment_2285655
Is Tru3talent a killer main that plays at the same level of play as one of the best DBD teams? Is Wraith the best killer in the game? If you say no to either one of those, then how is this "data" reliable for anything? How is this not comparing apples to oranges? Also, how is taking a very small subset of biased data and claiming it proves something, used in statistics, since you claimed to work in statistics?

Please do not lecture me on statistics and do not use words like bias when you don't know what they mean. I do not have to calculate 20 + 20 100 times to know it equals 40. There was simply NOTHING Tru3 or anyone could have done to win these games. This is fairly obvious as there are no other strategies that could have worked in this scenario. This team also shits on the rather stronger killers by the way. You also love to ignore that they did not even use the strongest tools surviors have. Competetive DBD is usually rather restrictive. And again please realize that there are things in life that need just ONE set of data to be proven. We only need one showcase of survivors playing optimal to prove who the power role. Even if Tru3 made mistakes as you say, he did whiff a few times, i'll admit that, there is no way that he would have won these games. If you claim otherwise, then please provide us with the information and tell and show us the strategies that would have worked. Otherwise THIS is the best Data we have. Also from a mathematical standpoint: Considering how long chases last on average and how long generators take to repair, killers just cannot win in an optimal (as in few errors on survivor side, no error on killer side) scenario. This can be proven the same way it can be proven that a Goalkeeper in football has no way to save a penalty if the penalty is shot in a specific way.