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@thesuicidefox said:
Nurse is all about mechanical skills. Spirit is all about mind games. It's a lot easier to have high mechanical skill as that can be learned with experience. It is a lot harder to have strong mind games because that requires creativity and a deep understanding of player behavior.
Nurse is ultimately more powerful than Spirit, but Spirit is harder to master. Both are equally devastating once mastered though.
I disagree nurse has actual counterplay spirit on the other hand u have to rely on iron will but she is running stridor ur done for
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@Mister_Holdout said:
Spirit is nothing compared to Nurse.
Nurse completely dominates chases.
But as someone who used to play on console, I can see why you made this post. It's hard to imagine how good Nurse is when you play on console.
spirit dominates chases just as well as nurse if not better she can stand still a get a hit... and nurse is counter able use line of sight blockage or gen rush her... u beat her with spirit is different u just rely on 1 perk... but if she stridor ur done for
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@PickCollins said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623264#Comment_623264
"Billy is top tier because of his mobility and punish game".
Yes that's why he's widely consider an easy killer. He capitalizes on small errors a ton.
"but even Billy mains with thousand of hours said that good survivors will loop him like a mad lad."
Nurse mains will tell you that good Surviviors will juke her like mad. Spirit mains will tell you good Surviviors outplay her like mad. I don't see your point in saying this.
"And how is Spirit more exploitable when I know Billy mains who would DC any day on Hadnofun and Lery's, while I didn't met a single Spirit to DC because of a bad map ?"
Ok by that logic how is Nurse broken bc I know Nurse mains who will DC on Coldwind maps. Spirit is more exploitable bc she flubs her power once and she's a 110 killer for a while during the chase. Billy flubs a chainsaw and he still has it ready to use and is a 115 killer making him faster at base.
lol huntress is map dependent billy is not
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250
Billy is top tier because he has mobility and punish survivors mistakes like no one else, but even Billy mains with thousand of hours said that good survivors will loop him like a mad lad. And how is Spirit more exploitable when I know Billy mains who would DC any day on Hadnofun and Lery's, while I didn't met a single Spirit to DC because of a bad map ?
They where prolly just bad Billy’s if ur a good billy like me He’s good on those maps u can still apply pressure and instadown in indoor maps
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@Bravo0413 said:
Billy..... I love Rin but Billy is stronger.... if you come across a survivor on an unsafe gen there is no chase to be had, even in situations where the survivor is at a loop if you make the right read you get a 1 shot and the chase is over.... and as op pointed out Billy has no cooldown and is punished less for using the chainsaw...where if you make the wrong read as Rin you could shoot yourself in the opposite direction of the survivor and be on cooldown.... rin has less map mobility, where she is the princess of are loops, she owns the survivors at loops because mind games and such.... Everywhere else shes B tier...
Lol while I do agree billy has better map pressure... I’m a p3 billy... lol even i say spirit is better than billy lol even all the billy mains with thousand of hours on billy tofu say sprit is stronger just becuase she completely counters looping yes she has bad map pressure and mobility but who needs that when u can end chases in quick succession and hook them and make the other survivors go unhook them lol spirits just completely negates looping like nurse
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@Marcus said:
I actually think that even Hag is better than Billy against teams without flashlights and/or Object of Obsession. And OoO will become less used after they add the new status effects for stealth killers and for flashlights you have Franklin's Demise, so ...
Lol hag sucks against survivors friends they would just snap her traps and gen rush her into her oblivion billy is hands down better than hag even after his nerf
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@Marcus said:
Spirit for more reasons :
1 Better chase potential.
2 Better add-ons.
3 Even Billy mains says about Spirit being better than him.
4 You need specific perks to counter Spirit, but you don't need anything to counter Billy.
5 Less map dependent.
Lol billy has No bad maps ur just bad billy
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623753#Comment_623753
Iron Will doesn't hard counter her, footsteps, breathing, collision, Stridor all help Spirit against Iron Will. Hard counter would mean she can't do anything about it, which isn't the case.
Billy is again hard countered by Lery's and Haddonfield offerings.
Haddonfield is Spirit's worst map, but yet, Spirit mains stil don't DC and they still 4k with 32k BP against multiple Iron Will users there, while some of Billy mains DC on Haddonfield, Lery's and Ormond, and if you have the urge to DC just because you got that map, that says something about the strength of that killer. Lery's is good for Spirit because small map + louder footsteps which makes Iron Will less effective + almost every loop being dead zone against Spirit + almost every window having an entrance besides them.
Billy doesn't force survivors to drop pallets earlier, stop living in dreams. Good survivors bait pallets and make extra loops and use windows and that delay his Spirit Fury. Billy doesn't break pallets instantly unless survivors drop the pallet when he is charging his chainsaw, which can be avoided. Otherwise, os not worth charging your chainsaw to break the pallet.
Windows aren't any stronger against Spirit unless we are talking about the bullshit ones from Ironworks of Misery and other #########, which are also as strong against Billy and any killer other than Nurse and somewhat Hag.
If the survivor gets caught in open against Billy, that survivor is probably stupid or plays on Rotten Fields.
"Billy is just better, that's how it is". I just LOLed. 90% of Billy mains I know told me that Billy is weaker than Spirit. Literally any person playing Billy somewhat constantly in high ranks thinks Spirit is stronger than him. Apparently, even Billy mains can't see how good Billy is, I wonder why ? The most funny thing is that almost any person claiming Billy is better than Spirit, doesn't play Billy enough in high ranks, because once they do, they change their mind 😁.
lol billy is anything but map-dependent lol I fact I’d say billy good in Haddonfield field becuase if the survivors are running through the little white wall that’s a guaranteed instadown huntress is map dependent
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250
I did not say that Billy is easily loopable. He is the best M1-Killer/115% MS Killer, but this is not because of his Chasing Potential (even Clown has a higher), it is his insane Map Pressure and Mobility, as well as the Instadown.
While it is true, that you can simply leave Loops where the Spirit tries to mindgame(even though I think her Mindgames are unfair - it is a Mindgame for herself, but a Guessing game for the Survivor), when the Survivor leaves the Loop, Spirit can simply Phasewalk. And if the Survivor does not have Iron Will, it is very, very hard to get away. I mean, the fact that you need to equip a Perk to have a (higher) chance vs Spirit speaks for itself, you would not need to equip any Perks for Billy, because you have plenty of Defenses on the Map vs him.
Lol put the weed pipe down bro no way in hell is clown better than billy at Anti loop lol just drop the pallet early and simple as that u beat the clown
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623250#Comment_623250
I did not say that Billy is easily loopable. He is the best M1-Killer/115% MS Killer, but this is not because of his Chasing Potential (even Clown has a higher), it is his insane Map Pressure and Mobility, as well as the Instadown.
While it is true, that you can simply leave Loops where the Spirit tries to mindgame(even though I think her Mindgames are unfair - it is a Mindgame for herself, but a Guessing game for the Survivor), when the Survivor leaves the Loop, Spirit can simply Phasewalk. And if the Survivor does not have Iron Will, it is very, very hard to get away. I mean, the fact that you need to equip a Perk to have a (higher) chance vs Spirit speaks for itself, you would not need to equip any Perks for Billy, because you have plenty of Defenses on the Map vs him.
Lol what crack pipe are u smoking lol no way in hell is clown a better anti loop killer lol just drop the pallet early and there u beat the clown
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@VolantConch1719 said:
Pros:
- Instant down ability
- Super speed.
Cons:
- Max controls like absolute garbage. And if you say to steer using Q and E like I've seen so many times in the past, I'd heavily consider that cheating.
- Unless you're in a very open area of the map, Max's speed is irrelevant with how many obstacles there are.
- The Chainsaw is pretty dodgeable if the Survivor is competent. And no, standing right behind them revving the saw so they literally can't react fast enough doesn't make you good, it makes you human garbage.
- Indoor maps are so closed off, half of Max's positives are ripped away from him.
Look, I can see why people place Max so high on tier lists, but I just can't. Maybe it's just my own skill as him seeping into my objective view of him, but I just can't give him any higher than a 6. And that's only due to the insta-down, literally the only thing he really has.
@VolantConch1719 said:
Pros:
- Instant down ability
- Super speed.
Cons:
- Max controls like absolute garbage. And if you say to steer using Q and E like I've seen so many times in the past, I'd heavily consider that cheating.
- Unless you're in a very open area of the map, Max's speed is irrelevant with how many obstacles there are.
- The Chainsaw is pretty dodgeable if the Survivor is competent. And no, standing right behind them revving the saw so they literally can't react fast enough doesn't make you good, it makes you human garbage.
- Indoor maps are so closed off, half of Max's positives are ripped away from him.
Look, I can see why people place Max so high on tier lists, but I just can't. Maybe it's just my own skill as him seeping into my objective view of him, but I just can't give him any higher than a 6. And that's only due to the insta-down, literally the only thing he really has.
hes one of the best killers in the game bro he’s has insane map pressure and counter loops and that 1down ability
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@SambaSaw said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1113849#Comment_1113849
People compare them just because they are ranged killers which is annoying. They both have pros and cons. The biggest pro for deathslinger right now is that he is really hard to loop because he can quickscope you and you're done.
Agreed
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@AChaoticKiller said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1260762#Comment_1260762
A good huntress downs someone within 5 hatchets most of the time in just 2 or 3, they then reload after that chase and thus the cycle continues. Actually if you cant down someone with those 5 hatchets your definitely just bad since a good huntress does not miss at close to medium range. Also if literally every popular killee known for there skill agrees that huntress is better it probably is the case.
this is where we have to agree to disagree
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@AChaoticKiller said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1260470#Comment_1260470
Ummmm i think you just might suck at huntress, i can consistently hit shots with both of them and huntress just does way better in terms of being time effective and injuring/downing multiple survivors. If you have good aim on huntress you will do better than with deathslinger especially at rank 1 where deathslinger wastes too much time reloading and reeling a survivor in to be time effective.
But what makes slinger better is that he does not have go to lockers to refill I’ve played huntress and I always lose survivors when refilling in lockers and in my opinion it’s much easier hit as deathslinger and have u played huntress at red ranks red rank constantly outsmart huntress and since huntress is slow as hell she gets gunrushed in my opionion deathslinger is better and has better potential at any ranks even red ranks....
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@Gamzello said:
Recently I've become more active on the forums, and started getting back into DBD once more. I notice that lots of people were saying to "Nerf Spirit" but I'm completely against that idea.
Instead of nerfing another killer, only to have a few true viable ones and seeing them almost every game, let us discuss the others killers we hardly ever see!
There's lots of other killers that should have that same recognition that deserve the viability that other high tier killers have! As a survivor main, I enjoy having a challenge put against me by all killers. It sucks that after awhile you see a repeat of similar killers in more higher ranks.
Before anybody attacks me, I play both sides but prefer survivor! So please don't bash on me so hard! <3
Anyways, here is what I usually see in my games. I will be giving a short description of each killer, their viability, perks, add ons, average kills I see in MY games, what ranks they're in, and how rare they are. Of course you don't have to agree with me, but this is just the way that I see it.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/435/099B11JNLX5P.png
SS Tier killer:
Nurse's power is broken if you play her really well. Her add ons are really good. Her perks are great. Average can be 2k but if played well a 4k will happen. Can apply some map pressure. Very rare to find.
S Tier killers:
Myers's power is astounding. Very powerful with the right add ons, and perks are decent. You will get a 3-4k for sure. You can find him at any rank, but mainly high or mid rank. He can apply some map pressure. Common to find.
Billy is mobile killer, best to reaching exit gates or generators quickly. His add ons are great, but most of his perks aren't that good. He can get a 3-4k if you play him well. Can apply an insane amount of map pressure. You can find him at any rank. Uncommon to find.
A Tier killers:
Spirit is another very mobile killer, great for mind games. She's one of the few balanced, truly viable killers. Good perks, and very great add ons. If you play her well you can get a 3-4k. Can apply immense amount of map pressure. She is seen at any rank. Common to find.
Hag is another viable killer when you catch a survivor at the right time. Her power is great, she has decent perks, ruin being her best one. Her add ons are great. You can get a 2-3k, but if you play really well a 4k for her. Can apply some map pressure. You can find her more at low-mid ranks. Common to find.
B tier killers:
Wraith is fun to play, but not as viable as the others I mentioned above. None of his perks are usually ever used, or when they are, they are completely rare. His add ons are good. On average, I see Wraiths get 2k or below unless they're really good. Can apply some map pressure. Almost always found in low ranks. Common to find.
Freddy can be viable as well. His perks are decent. His add ons are decent. On average, I'd say they get about 2-3k kills. It's rare to get a 4k as Freddy from what I've seen. As survivor, I was able to ignore his power and still do generations easily, which can be a problem nonetheless for Freddy players. Can apply some map pressure. Found in any rank. Rare to find.
GhostFace can be viable, but he's a stealthy type killer. Usually stealthy type killers (Expect for Myers) don't really have good games, I've noticed that a lot. His perks are great. His add ons are good. The average kills I see GhostFaces get are 1-2k. (Yeah, it's really bad!) His power can be avoided however, which makes him more B tier. He doesn't apply any map pressure. Found in low or mid ranks. Rare to find.
C Tier Killers:
The Clown can be somewhat viable. His perks are good. His add ons are decent. I usually see Clown's get either 2k or 3k. They usually get genrushed to hell in my experience. He can apply to little or none when it comes to map pressure. Found in mid ranks. Rare to find.
Plague is also averagely viable. Her perks are okay. Her add ons are decent. Average is usually a 2k. Depending on the team, a 3-4k can happen. Her power can be very easily ignored, making her more a C-tier type killer. Can also get genrushed badly. Vomit Registration can sometimes not go through. Can apply little to some map pressure. Found in mid ranks. Rare to find.
Trapper is another fun killer to play, but easily counter-able as well making him more of a C tier killer. His perks aren't that great. His add ons are good. On average Trappers can get 1k to 2k. (In higher ranks), however in lower ranks he can get more of a 3-4k. Doesn't apply that much map pressure. Found in lower ranks. Common to find.
The Pig is another stealth killer, her traps can be ignored by high ranked players and still continue doing generators. Her perks are okay. Her add ons are okay. On average I'd say they get about 1-2k. Doesn't apply that much map pressure. Found in mid to low ranks. Uncommon to find.
D Tier killers:
The Doctor is one of those killers that are supposed to make generators hard to do, but does the complete opposite. Sometimes his power doesn't work or do enough. His perks are good. Add ons are okay. On average, they get about 1-2k or less due to genrushing. Found in low ranks. Uncommon to find.
Leatherface may sound like a really good killer, but not really. His stun time makes it worse for him. Has great perks. Okay add ons. On average they get about 1-2k or possible 3k. It's rare to see LF get a 4k in my games since they always get genrushed as well. Found in low and mid ranks. Uncommon to find.
Huntress has a great potential as killer but hit boxes, and delays on console make it so much worse. (I'm so happy devs are going to fix this!) Her perks aren't the best, I never see anyone running them that much. Her add ons are good. On average I'd say they get about 1-2k. She's really easy to loop as well, and usually genrushed. Found in low ranks. Uncommon to find.
Legion was a killer that you either hated or loved. After his rework, I barely saw a Legion. His perks are good. His add ons are okay. On average, Legions get 1-2k. Found in low ranks usually. Very rare to find nowadays.
This is my tier list of killers I've played against, and my personal opinion on them. I've also had my own personal experience with them. The killers I play a lot are: Myers, Trapper, Spirit, Plague, Huntress and The Pig.
I also play on PS4 so some of these results might a lot more different than Xbox or PC. Or maybe just for people overall. By average, I mean different players not people who main these killers by the way!!!
Edit: Fixing some errors, and added some text.
Doc is definitely not d tier he’s b tier he got a buff he’s pretty strong I’d says he btier
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/691602#Comment_691602
I’m on console, I don’t struggle against Myers, I actually think Plague is better than Myers. Spirit and Hag are also much better than billy imo.
Lol I understand spirit but hag no way hag is easily looped she relies on her traps way to much for as billy he has great gen pressure and is not easily looped like hag hag is a slow killers
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@xEa said:
I completly disagree with your Tier list.
- Myers is no where near as good as Spirit. He should be A or B Tier.
- Huntress on D Tier? Ahm... woot? Her Chase potential is one of the best in the game. A good huntress is somtimes even better then a good billy. She is definitly S or A tier.
- Wraith is not B Tier.. he is at best C Tier, but i would rahter put him in D Tier. Putting him on the same level as Freddy is beyond my comprehension.
- Said that, i would put Freddy in A Tier.
- You underestimate Plague
Lol I agree with you except for huntress a even a god huntress does not match up to a even decent billy billy has what even the best huntress lacks Map control-map pressure
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@Ghoste said:
I'd like to remind you that Deathslinger cannot down a Survivor with his harpoon, but Huntress can. He cannot attack over 18m distance, but Huntress can. He has 1 shot, but Huntress has 5 without add-ons. C'mon son.
Yeah but huntress sucks at red ranks I dare you to try out huntress at red ranks you will end up going crazy deathslinger is better
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@NullEXE said:
You want to know why everyone calls him a bad huntress? Because he is, Huntress can do what he can do but better, and faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knr_mNEFz1s
Though I wouldn't make his shot into a down like many suggested, because then that would just make him just like huntress and not be unique. I would change him to be a 115% MS killer, and that may be the buff that balances him greatly.
That’s Cuz You have not played huntress at red ranks if you play huntress at red ranks it would be a miracle if you managed to hit 1 single survivors huntress is horrible deaths linger is better
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@Todgeweiht said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1160870#Comment_1160870
Unless you are exposed, I dont think he can end chases that fast. Huntress has better chase potential than him.
lol that’s false he’s actually a better killer than huntress lol if you play huntress at red ranks it would be considered a miracle to even hit a survivor with one of your hatchets
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Nah he’s ok hes a d tier behind a tier of billy spirit, and oni