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@Satsui You'll never know unless you try right? I've been fighting since first month to get SWF balanced and still nothing yet and I still don't expect it to change. JUST DO IT SON
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@HIPSTERLION said:
@weirdkid5
The problem is no1 isn't getting banned for it , at least not in console . disconnecting is real a sh#ty thing to considering the fact that you ruin the game for every1 . and of course by saying survivor I meant no offense to you or any1 !!! I'm just saying survivors DC a lot these days . and of course their reasons aren't good at all , like 1 of these survivors that dced in this video told me I quit because it's swamp O_ODude any smack talk directed at Survivors is probably warranted, this is coming from a Survivor main. I made a salt post about why Killers dont like Survivors and got a lot of heat for it. As I said, Survivor mob mentality.
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@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous.
Again, you are making up things I never said. Good job again mate. You can't deal with my argument so you are making up stuff? Lols.
Where did I write I think people have not been falsely banned before?
I mean, could you be any further from the point of discussion?And yes, cross referencing a player activity is NOT THAT HARD. So if someone posts an evidence video of someone hacking, it is indeed NOT THAT HARD to cross reference the game's details. If you fail to accept that I can't do anything further.
Now I'm not talking about the literal "naming and shaming", which is basically calling out someone without real evidence. I am talking about posting a video of someone hacking, and getting banned for it (naming and shaming) merely because you can see their NAME in the VIDEO, without even mentioning them in your post. That is just wrong.
You are stirring the pot for 0 reason. You don't have to say "well I didnt say people weren't falsely banned." It doesnt matter. If you know that, then you should understand why name and shame rules are in place. There is no further reason to continue this pointless debate that will change 0 things about the rules.
Ah so you just have expertise that some people just dont have. I guess you'll easily get hired by any dream job you could desire.
What a joke. At the end of the day, naming and shaming is still pointless. You posting a video isn't going to get them banned faster because there is a process. There is a reason they are revamping the report and evidence feature, that you fill a form out for and send to them privately upon which the mods review the evidence and cross reference as you said, just not in a public place.
Take it or leave it. Nothing further to be said about this dead horse. Also as a lawyer you should know INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a other reason anti name and shame exists. The jury are the mods. Deal with it.
Not true, really.
So by your approach, if there are rules in place, it is futile to discuss them and point out how ridiculous some of their aspects are?
Isn't it entirely counter productive to the purpose of Forums? LOL!
You know, to discuss things, bring upon changes, and so forth?
Or are we supposed to stay silent and accept everything as it is? haha.They used to have a report form online, in which you could post details, ID64 of the killer, and a link to a video you uploaded. It worked. I had gotten speedhackers banned by using it and monitoring their profile.
They REMOVED IT. Without presenting any real, practical alternative.
Hacker Protection Policies: 1. Griefed Players: 0.
What is left? the inconvenient in-game report form which rapes you to stay in game until you finish uploading your 4 minute high quality 1 gigabyte video to youtube (it has to be good quality so you can see their name link to the profile - so at least 1080p. Otherwise - unidentifiable).
THAT IS, ridiculous.
And to top that off, if a griefed player posts evidence on the forums, they get banned for it, even without actually practicing any naming and shaming de-facto.
Hacker Protection Policies: 2. Griefed players: 0.
Pretty good job so far, guys!
Keep supporting ridiculousness, though.
This is as ridiculous as if someone broke into your house, and you caught him live and clear on camera, including his clear face and his ID. But then you are DISALLOWED to publicize the video of his CRIME, because don't name and shame the poor criminal!
You can post it wherever you want, no one is stopping you. I would probably comment on a "hacker exposed" video myself. But the forum isn't the place for that and I stand by the reasoning for it. If you think it should be changed, feel free to do what you said, and go to forum feedback and create your own thread and try to get it changed. Personally I think it's pointless because it's been attempted before. But you go for it my guy. Believe in the heart of the cards.
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@Noodle said:
TestingEy another purple user. I request that you just don't use Dark Violet! It's reserved
I'm kidding you can use whatever you want.
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@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous.
Again, you are making up things I never said. Good job again mate. You can't deal with my argument so you are making up stuff? Lols.
Where did I write I think people have not been falsely banned before?
I mean, could you be any further from the point of discussion?And yes, cross referencing a player activity is NOT THAT HARD. So if someone posts an evidence video of someone hacking, it is indeed NOT THAT HARD to cross reference the game's details. If you fail to accept that I can't do anything further.
Now I'm not talking about the literal "naming and shaming", which is basically calling out someone without real evidence. I am talking about posting a video of someone hacking, and getting banned for it (naming and shaming) merely because you can see their NAME in the VIDEO, without even mentioning them in your post. That is just wrong.
You are stirring the pot for 0 reason. You don't have to say "well I didnt say people weren't falsely banned." It doesnt matter. If you know that, then you should understand why name and shame rules are in place. There is no further reason to continue this pointless debate that will change 0 things about the rules.
Ah so you just have expertise that some people just dont have. I guess you'll easily get hired by any dream job you could desire.
What a joke. At the end of the day, naming and shaming is still pointless. You posting a video isn't going to get them banned faster because there is a process. There is a reason they are revamping the report and evidence feature, that you fill a form out for and send to them privately upon which the mods review the evidence and cross reference as you said, just not in a public place.
Take it or leave it. Nothing further to be said about this dead horse. Also as a lawyer you should know INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, another reason anti name and shame exists. The jury are the mods. Deal with it.
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I mean quitting is a bannable offense either way. I very rarely DC. The only time in recent history I can recall is when I got stuck in the shack pallet and the killer rage AFK'd. Some people are just jackasses. I personally get it if you have a reasonable DC excuse.
Then again this is just more survivor mob mentality at work.
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@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.> @Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@powerbats said:
@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
TBH this is bullcrap.
The amount of effort it takes to "fake" a video like this, and the odds someone will get "witch hunted" are ludicrously slim to non existent.
It's like saying I won't be flying because I'm afraid of plane crashes.
Meanwhile cheaters and griefers get to do what the hell they want. This is stupid.
This is not naming and shaming. This is naming and justice.
Wrong and it's actually not that hard if you want to to grief someone with it. If you're really desperate to grief you can pay someone to fake edit a video or screenshot. Your so called naming and justice is reminiscent of the frontier justice. Oh that person stole my horse and here's my made up proof. Now go hang them from the nearest tree.
So what are you defending really?
Because, a report can be "faked" too, but obviously the devs/mods can easily cross check the game info and see if that player really griefed or his name was edited.So really you are defending that 1 out of 10,000 cases where someone would "shame" someone else by posting an edited video of his name with another someone who hacked / griefed.
And then what? Who the hell cares? I wouldn't really care that much if someone did that to me for the sake of shaming real hackers and griefers on 99.9%. I will just report the person who posted the fake video, the mods/devs can cross-reference the details in the video, and then ban him altogether.
Really, your stance and over-zealous protection of griefers and hackers is just unreasonable.
And who the [BAD WORD] would pay to momentarily post a fake video to "shame" someone else on a video game? lol.
Hackers needs to be known. Your ######### actions and destroyal of gameplay should have consequences and not be protected with some far-fetched slim-to-none chances for a "witch hunt" or a "fake video".
That's why in real life all court sessions are public, and so are criminal records!
These Hacker & Griefer protection policies are absurd.
I'd be fine if it wasn't allowed to make evidence-less claims, but posting a video of someone cheating and getting banned for it? It's just retardingly absurd.
Wrong on so many occasions and where do you get your numbers on how often it happens, do you have inside non public information? Because if you don't that's the equivalent of pulling numbers out of your rear end and stating them as facts. Which leads us to this nice quote.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Also all real life court session aren't open to the public, some are closed to the public to protect you guessed it victims as well as the accused when there's a reasonable need for it. My stance isn't unreasonable at all, what's unreasonable is you wanting to break the rules you agreed to. You know the ones called TOS/EULA that you agreed to abide by which clearly state that NAMING AND SHAMING IS AGAINST THE FORUM RULES.
As @weirdkid5 said the devs put those rules into place so either follow them or don't and see what happens. They put those rules to protect that perhaps 1 in 10,000 person from turning around and suing them for the false accusation etc.
Lastly most states have laws called libel laws while not widely used in the online community have been sued and to great success against those making said accusation. The same is true all over the world which is why most companies also require when you click accept that you agree to BINDING ARBITRATION when a dispute arises.
You don't have to like it or even agree with it, but by clicking accept you have to follow it. No ifs, ands or buts since those are the rules you agreed to follow. Steam and every gaming community out there CS, League of Legends, etc all follow the same rules.
Yes and much like weirdkid, your argument is resorting to making up things I never said. Well done!
Where did I exactly say I am going to break any rules? I am stating my opinion about the ridiculousness of the matter.
BTW - about libel laws - you ARE AWARE there is a DEFENSE called "speaking the truth", right? Or are you just spouting nonsense out of your rear end without any real knowledge of it?
That means, that if you called someone a cheater PUBLICLY, and you have spoken the truth, you CANNOT be sued for it.THAT IS RIGHT SON!
Source: I am a lawyer.
Nice try, though, but please, try not to make up stuff without the littlest knowledge in it.
And again, if someone is actually "naming and shaming" without proof or just for the heck of it, or just posting fake videos which is highly unlikely and rare - they can be dealt with and banned. It's NOT that hard for developers and mods cross reference a game and the participating players.
If you don't think people have been falsely banned before in other games, then that's just hilarious. "Not that hard." So I assume you've dealt with this before as well Mr. Lawyer? A lawyer would understand this kind of thing easily. Man classic internet. "I JUST HAPPEN TO BE THE THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HURDUR"
The fact you think it's ridiculous is ridiculous. Definitely wouldn't want you representing me.
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100% bring Monitor and Abuse. It makes playing Myers SO much more entertaining for both sides.
Combo it was Nurse's Calling for super deadly and sneaky wallhacks. Bring BBQ for easy sneak ups on unsuspecting prey and bring Ruin to crawl them out.
Bring a Dead Rabbit addon for even smaller TR, 0 meters at Tier 1 and 4 Meters at Tier 2. 4 meter TR at Tier 2 is stupid unreactable because you have full movement speed, it's insanity. Your last addon can be a wild card.
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@Satsui said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Satsui
At the end of the day, regardless of your stance or our stance on it, these are the rules the devs have put it place. Either follow them or don't and see what happens. Up to you.Are you trying to sound smart or something? Cause it ain't workin', son.
I never said I am going to do something against the rules.
I'm just saying those rules are ridiculous and the Hacker Protection policies in place are ridiculous too. I'm pointing out the ridiculousness and overreaching of those Hacker Protection Policies in place to help griefers and cheaters stay as concealed as possible and with littlest repercussions to their actions even though there is sound evidence against them.That's my opinion, deal with it.
That's cool man. It isn't gonna change anything. It isn't in place to protect cheaters, it's in place to protect innocent people from witch hunts. Sorry you don't agree or understand that.
@powerbats Thanks for taking the time to spell it out for him. We disagreed in another thread but I'm with you on this one.
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+1 There needs to be something to make the Survivors unique to each other. Currently, they are just skins of one another. Yes their teachable perks are unique to them up to a certain point, but eventually you can get everything on anyone.
Either that or make it so you can only run one teachable from another character on someone else.
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@Satsui
At the end of the day, regardless of your stance or our stance on it, these are the rules the devs have put it place. Either follow them or don't and see what happens. Up to you. -
You've been able to flashlight stun out of the FoV for a while.
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@Detective_Jonathan said:
@weirdkid5 said:
I think it can be chalked up to the Survivors having heightened senses in the Realm.The heartbeat for instance, is not the Survivor heartbeat but rather the Killer's heartbeat that the Survivors have fine turned their hearing for. Benedict Baker explains this in his journal.
By extension, you could assume the Survivors are capable of know their entire surroundings due to increased survival instincts.
But why does the killers heartbeat need to sound like he is about to get caught doing something he shouldn't? It sounds like the heartbeat is the survivors hearing their own heart instead of the killers.
Couldnt answer that for ya buddy. I would chalk that up to gameplay mechanic, but I suppose maybe the survivor is just "hearing more beats." I'm just telling you what the canon says haha
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@Jack11803 said:
@Mc_Harty said:
Fun fact @Jack11803, that font colour is hard to read on mobile.I use mobile, and hand picked it from my chart.... I’m aware ;p
We could always pick black muahaha
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@Sythalin said:
@KroolTheField said:
In the future you will need to upload your video to youtube and copy paste the link in the report section while in the after game lobbyAsides for the fact you can't actually copy/paste into the report section, it has been proven multiple times by multiple people that doing so gets exactly ZERO results.
Ahem hence why they said IN TEH FUTUR
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@Jack11803 said:
@Jack11803 said:
Test? Just like green.... but more ~damaging~ beautifulCrap...I don’t know how to cross out font thingy whatever it’s called...
You mean this?
Use the word "strike"
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
Dark orchid is reserved and if you touch it I'll tickle your pickle.Although I didn't consider Dark Violet.
Indigo would be the color I'd put on my video game characters.
Don’t worry, that’s what I meant by purple very indecisive honey-bun~
Nope, I'm swapping to Dark Violet.
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Dark orchid is reserved and if you touch it I'll tickle your pickle.
Although I didn't consider Dark Violet.
Indigo would be the color I'd put on my video game characters.
Yup, I'm switching to DARK VIOLET
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They think it's ok to quit just cause it's the beta.
All that proves is that they get their kicks from being toxic.
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@The_moneyY Like I said, they are "overhauling" it apparently.
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
Title says it all. Who wants to die as me?Too much bacon, no one would want to die like that.
>Refraining from downvoting
You can never have too much bacon.
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@The_moneyY You used to report them on their website. Currently the "Report a Cheater" feature is down for "overhauling."
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@The_moneyY Sorry I meant to tag you in my above post.
The mods dont look into videos like this. You'd have to report them but currently the report feature is down.
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Meg's new outfit is simply bae. I'm ok with not getting my Legacy back if it means wearing that.
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@The_moneyY The reason name and shame isn't allowed is because stuff can be fabricated and it can lead to witch hunts. Granted falsifying gameplay is difficult, but once could also mistake lag for a speedhack for instance.
There's a few valid concerns as to why you can't oust people like that.
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@powerbats said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@powerbats I'm just gonna correct you on a few things. You cannot break an unthrown pallet, that's what looping is, circling an unthrown pallet.Also the top Killers in the game even know it's unfair and complain a lot. TydeTyme has expressed his dissatisfaction, Tru3 rages a lot, ScottJund got bodied by Marth88's depip squad. Marth himself also has gotten every Killer to Rank 1 using no perks at all. But that's simply because most survivors are just bad players.
You were playing Hillbilly that game you mentioned you did what you did. Yeah, cause it's Hillbilly. Try doing that with Wraith. Not nearly as easy. Unless you play Nurse or Billy, you are entirely at the mercy of the skill and level of tryhard the survivors you're facing decide to be.
Please actually get to high rank first buddy.
I've been high rank in other games before and I'm well aware of how imbalanced things can get. It doesn't detract from my points however that in 1 persons case they're admitting to dodging because they don't want to have to face that team comp. Again the devs have said they're working on pallets and looping. My point still stands, that even no perks, no addons I learned from my mistakes and recognized the patterns the survivors were using to my advantage.
If I get to high rank and say the same thing you'll just come back with a different response to deflect my points. The top killers may complain but they also try and make suggestions to improve things. I don't see them saying dodge automatically because they don't like the team comps or can't see someones profile info.
I played high ranked WOW pvp and remember when they made changes to where it was so one sided it was impossible. i also remember complaining as did others but we also made good suggestions to improve on it. In the meantime we figured out ways to overcome our disadvantages and use the other sides ego's to our own advantage.
The survivors know they have an advantage at high ranks and no what they can do, so why not try and sue that against them. If you know where the looping spots are you can plan ahead. You can cut corners, stop chasing when it's pointless, damage those gens etc. I watched a really skilled wraith outplay people looping non downed pallets by planning ahead.
Lastly the devs are already working on this by removing some pallets and if they follow through on SVF nerfs/buffs to killers against those groups it'll be a much more even playing field. But simply whining about it saying I quit doesn't help at all.
That's other games. This is Dead by Daylight. If you know how unbalanced games can get, then go see it for yourself. I won't deflect with anything. I'm not deflecting now either. You said your experience wasnt a high rank one. If that's the case you have an incomplete view on the balance and should seek to fix that. If your opinion doesnt change then so be it. But don't sit here and give me advice about "breaking a chase" when it gets too long when you play Wraith vs a full squad of top loopers at high rank.
Sorry, but it is currently impossible to outplay a good survivor in looping. Any "outplays" are bad players. Looping is essentially foolproof if you aren't greedy. Looping is not difficult to perform nor is it outplayable at safe pallets. We are talking about the game in its current form, not the PTB. And yes the new changes are definitely great, there still needs to be some more work on the balance.
I'm serious man, play this game at high rank. I promise you it is a completely different ballgame.
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@powerbats I'm just gonna correct you on a few things. You cannot break an unthrown pallet, that's what looping is, circling an unthrown pallet.
Also the top Killers in the game even know it's unfair and complain a lot. TydeTyme has expressed his dissatisfaction, Tru3 rages a lot, ScottJund got bodied by Marth88's depip squad. Marth himself also has gotten every Killer to Rank 1 using no perks at all. But that's simply because most survivors are just bad players.
You were playing Hillbilly that game you mentioned you did what you did. Yeah, cause it's Hillbilly. Try doing that with Wraith. Not nearly as easy. Unless you play Nurse or Billy, you are entirely at the mercy of the skill and level of tryhard the survivors you're facing decide to be.
Please actually get to high rank first buddy.
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You can do this as soon as you balance SWF. SWF is not taken into game balance consideration and is completely overpowered in terms of the information you gain speaking with friends. And stop yourself right now, I don't care if you and your buddies aren't trolls or just talk about whatever while you play.
Simply saying something like "he's on me" is breaking the game balance. You aren't supposed to know what the Killer is doing or where he is without PERKS OR ITEMS. Something all you Survivor mains dont seem to understand. SWF gives you free Empathy, Bond, Dark Sense, Deja Vu, Hatch addon for key, gate addon for key so and so forth.
The devs have also stated the Killer is free to choose his victims. His lobby, his game. If perhaps SWF was balanced or if there was a solo only mode, then yeah I could agree with an incremental penalty for disconnects.
IN FACT, I propose this very thing in my Ranked and Casual petition, something die hard SWF users despise because they don't want to take the 5 minutes to understand how absolutely busted the game is when you play with your friends.
Oh, and dont even get me started on last second switching. You pull that crap off on me and I'll alt-f4 before the countdown finishes. If the majority of survivors weren't jerks and the majority of SWF groups weren't toxic, then I would agree there is no reason to dodge.
But as a solo survivor main, I see it all. Survivors think themselves above all other players that aren't a part of their little bully group. It's insanity the players this game attracts.
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@FSB75 a gen stopper Doc build is always disgusting. But you underestimate players like myself. I'm not tooting my own horn without good reason. I'd actually like to face your Doc in a standard match sometime.Yeah, me too...maybe. Of course he got the obligatory downvote as well lol.
Probably some Survivor main that thinks Doc is unbeatable for whatever reason. His build is definitely a good one and one that Survivors despise. I would welcome the challenge.
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@FSB75 a gen stopper Doc build is always disgusting. But you underestimate players like myself. I'm not tooting my own horn without good reason. I'd actually like to face your Doc in a standard match sometime.
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@SoulKey said:
@TeambossFloze said:
@Retr0 said:
I think they should give a small little cosmetic item to everyone who tried the PTBI think the ability to play the entire new chapter for free as a pretty big gift in itself?
It's not as big as you think, You will have to play for 25-30 hours at least to unlock one character. This will help keep the game alive with a consistent playerbase; Therefore more profit. It's just a different marketing model, as many other games like fortnite do.
Except once Save the World gets released for free in Fortnite, players will realize they could have been farming vBucks in StW and used them in BR the entire time, allowing them to purchase the Battle Passes without spending money. The entire game will stay free. Companies don't make money on players that do this other than their initial purchases, like with Dead by Daylight. If someone played this way in Fortnite, Epic would make 0 money off of them. BHVR makes 0 money off you if you unlock someone through playtime.
This game you still have to purchase. Having "free characters" that can be purchased optionally is a business model like Siege. It combines the traditional unlock through playtime with more modern pay 2 access a lot of games use.
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I'll tell you right now this won't work on high rank players because of one reason: ears exist.
Every Killer makes some kind of noise. I will easily hear you if you use Insidious. Unless there is some other noise like a generator or a fire barrel nearby, you're gonna get heard by people that know how to simply pay attention. Not to mention the sudden decrease in TR is quite noticeable with Insidious.
As far as I'm aware they actually want to make the TR fade away like they are walking away for The Pig I think (got that from a friend so dont quote me) they should do the same for Insidious
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Blame it on Microsoft and Sony. They're the ones you pay when you buy something on their store. Basically it sounds like they couldn't convince them to donate the proceeds.
Greedy bastards.
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Doctor is midtier honestly. He's good, but at high rank you really see his shortcomings against good survivors. You can definitely be successful at high rank as Doctor, just like you can with Wraith.
The odds are just stacked against you. Doctor is really good with the right addons and perks, but imo that's also what makes him midtier. Without perks or addons he's completely garbage, whereas Hillbilly can still dominate.
I like Doctor though and he's one of my mains. I enjoy playing as him and it makes it reasonably more challenging. Doctor is weird because he can either be weak as hell or OP as ######### depending on his build.
That's also the thing, tier lists try to be as objective as possible. In fighting games you take every character and pit them 10 matches against every other character, and the characters that happen to win more often are higher on tier lists. But perhaps you know a trick no one else does that can put you higher on that tier list.
At the end of the day, tiers are a recommendation. Play who you want and who you are good with regardless of their position on a tier list.
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@FSB75 It has nothing to do with respect but everything to do with the Killer's abilities and how good the character itself is good, not the player.
Nurse is high tier because of her mobility and her ability to ignore pallets and windows, which allows her to trump most of the mechanics in the game. Billy is high tier because he has high mobility and constant oneshot.
Wraith, on the other hand, is low tier because while yes his invisibility is nice, it doesn't help him in the chase nor in the loop. His power is also trumped by perks like Sprint Burst, so Wraith is an extremely ineffective Killer. It's harder to win with Wraith than with Nurse despite the fact Wraith takes way less skill. It's just cause he's a garbage character.
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@FSB75 said:
If someone would be so kind as to explain what the "tier system" is measuring here. Skill curve (hard, or easy), effectiveness, preference....what's going on?Thank you in advance to any and all who can shed some light on it for me.
Effectiveness. Pretty much every tier list shows how good a character is.
Tiers are not the end all be all for games, as people have won tournaments with low tier characters. It's just that high tier characters have lots of advantages whereas lowtier ones have a lot of disadvantages.
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1. Nurse
2. Hillbilly
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They either gen tapped or they're just good at skillchecks.
The perk Stakeout also counters Ruin because it makes your Good Skill Checks count as Great.
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Yeah if the Killer on PS4 kills his internet it sends everyone back to the main menu without going to the result screen. Pretty sure you lose everything from the match progress and all. A lot of Killers are doing it Rank 16 and higher.
@Clyde this needs to be looked at. Killers are doing this on purpose on console.
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Didn't you see the face he made when he got his throat slit? Clearly his face just got locked like that.
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@BarpleBapkins said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@BarpleBapkins said:
I feel as if that the gas should interrupt actions, such as healing and repairing, until the effect wears off. It wouldn't make sense to be repairing a generator or healing wounds while coughing violently with blurred vision. Of course, this wouldn't effect vaulting, throwing down pallets, or hook rescues.Problem is this wont really do anything considering most of the time you'll get hit by gas is when you're in a chase, so there's no point locking people out of healing/repairing.
Well I tend to throw bottles at generators to see if there are any survivors hiding behind them when i go to pick up a survivor so I know that the generator isn't being progressed while I carry somebody. So instead I'd have to chase them away from the gen when I know it's about to pop to make use of pop goes the weasel.
I mean it only would stun for 1.5 seconds by default. Without addons it's just kinda pointless imo
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If you know the report is false just ignore it. I was hit with 3 "abuse" flags cause of that salt thread I made linking to my twitch video despite not offending anyone nor there being anything inappropriate. I did smack talk sure, but so have members of the dev team as well as the mods. It's a part of gaming.
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I think it's solid. Certain double window setups would become stupid nasty mindgames.
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@BarpleBapkins said:
I feel as if that the gas should interrupt actions, such as healing and repairing, until the effect wears off. It wouldn't make sense to be repairing a generator or healing wounds while coughing violently with blurred vision. Of course, this wouldn't effect vaulting, throwing down pallets, or hook rescues.Problem is this wont really do anything considering most of the time you'll get hit by gas is when you're in a chase, so there's no point locking people out of healing/repairing.
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I think it can be chalked up to the Survivors having heightened senses in the Realm.
The heartbeat for instance, is not the Survivor heartbeat but rather the Killer's heartbeat that the Survivors have fine turned their hearing for. Benedict Baker explains this in his journal.
By extension, you could assume the Survivors are capable of know their entire surroundings due to increased survival instincts.
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The reason the game can't be balanced is cause the devs are too afraid their cash cow (low level Survivor mains) will all quit the game cause they can't git gud
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5LIFE SUCKS
Besides. I've already been a Billy in a 3 gen before. It's hard but not impossible. If you're decent at stealth, you can lead him on a wild goose chase if you toss up multiple gens. You can keep him guessing at your true whereabouts.
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
The closing hatch mechanic is great. You can prepare for it by 99% a generator, or simply being good at stealth.I think they should introduce some time limit for the Survivor though, with a completed gen adding to the time remaining.
Already is a time limit. How long does it take the killer to get a recorder set up for your ban when you haven’t touched gens, whilst they are using billy chainsawing to each gen
That can be anywhere from 20+ minutes. I'd rather them just lose in 5 minutes if they decide they dont wanna do gens.
Who wouldn’t. But what if billy decides to chainsaw wicked fast with no time to hide between gens? What then. Is he holding it hostage for giving zero chance to repair? Not rhetorical
Then he either can choose to attempt, or just accept that L for allowing the game to get to the point of a 3 gen in the first place
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@Jack11803 said:
@weirdkid5 said:
The closing hatch mechanic is great. You can prepare for it by 99% a generator, or simply being good at stealth.I think they should introduce some time limit for the Survivor though, with a completed gen adding to the time remaining.
Already is a time limit. How long does it take the killer to get a recorder set up for your ban when you haven’t touched gens, whilst they are using billy chainsawing to each gen
That can be anywhere from 20+ minutes. I'd rather them just lose in 5 minutes if they decide they dont wanna do gens.
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"Killers can loop too"
"You're supposed to respect the 5%"
"You tunneled me but I looped you so I understand"
The last one boggles my mind