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@ZerLukas said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/838407#Comment_838407
The thing is I don't see anything in the Spirit nerf that makes her unfun.
With the Nurse nerf it's clear - doubling the time she has to wait after each blink is unfun.
But what of the listed Spirit changes makes her unfun to play as?
Let's see, your chances for winning "a mindgame" have been gutted, and each time you don't guess correctly you have to play as a 4.4m/s killer with no power for 15 seconds.
Do you like playing as a powerless killer each time you ######### up for 15-20 seconds?
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@arslaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/838407#Comment_838407
Want to explain how spirit is unfun to play now?
wait for the nerf, noone, literally noone will play her.
look what happend with nurse :LUL
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@grtf47 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/836687#Comment_836687
killer mains will move onto another killer if they feel that spirit is weak. Survivors got instaheals nerfed but we haven’t quit. We just adapt and move on instead of quitting
Adapt?, the past says something completely different from what you're saying but you know...
The thing is: i'm not upset by the nerf, (personally wasn't needed), they made nurse UNFUN, spirit will be UNFUN to play AS.
See the problem ?
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DEVS
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Nothing new my man, they nerf killers, they make them unfun, players will stop playing killer and then killers will get some buffs.
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This nerf to her didn't really do much, she is literally the same with a small cooldown, but they have made her A LOT LESS FUN TO PLAY, and i don't like that.
I really wanted the nurse nerfed into the ground, but also i want people to have fun with her.
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And? unless the spirit uses some very rare stuff, if you're somewhat decent you should escape 7+/10 times against the spirit.
I would take spirit any day of the week over billy/nurse.
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Honestly, dstrike shouldn't even exist, you have to go down 3 times to die, if a killer downed you 3 times then accept the defeat and move on.
In fact dstrike should deactivate if you touch a generator or a totem, the main problem with dstrike is that the survivor doesn't give a damn, he can work on gens without being punished and thats a problem.
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@NuclearBurrito said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/669012#Comment_669012
DS can't trigger after the 3rd hook because you are dead.
You still have to hook them 3 times to kill them, this is how survivors want the killer to play, i think you got the point of my post, you can't give free saves when the game is done before it event started.
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DS is balanced in theory, but in real world, on what planet do the killer manages to hook every survivor 3 different times, 3x4=12 times when a game is 5-6 mins long.
Reality you have to play like a loser if you want to win as a killer, i'm not mad at the survivors, i'm mad at the devs for punishing killers that are doing their job.
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In 2016 the first few months of playing, and last time i played against scratched myers on lery's can't remember the date was like 4 months ago... the only real times i was "holy ######### this is scary"
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Yeah I agree Hiilbilly should get tuned to fall more in line with other killers, i don't know if they should remove his insta saw instead remove his 1-shot to make him fair like other killers.
To me its crazy some people think spirit is even remotely close to him...
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Whats up with the mori complain recently?, is this becoming a trend now?
Stop complaining they are not going to remove something they are working on since the game came out (animations for each killer), take it or leave it.
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Very good for cowards that like to abandon their team, or useless if you slug the 3rd guy.
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1-Nurse
2-Hillbilly
3-Spirit
4-Huntress
5-Hag
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Yeah basically impossible to do adept plague recently, been owning games left right and center and haven't double-pip, only as pleague i had this problem
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monkaHmm, having the ability to ignore 1-2 gens isn't enough ey ?
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Spirit 1000%, from what i understood some streamers play spirit and get a 4k and then they say spirit is better than billy or (even nurse).
There's no question about who is overrated is definitely spirit, when half of the community think spirit is over billy..... crazy man.
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Play this game more and you'll soon realize that nothing requires skill in this game, nothing.
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Strong killer, not as strong as some people make her out to be, fun to play, somewhat fun to play against, all around i would take spirit over hillbilly or nurse any day of the week
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@Atsuka_Anarchy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/651870#Comment_651870
Lol Why so hostile over the truth? ;) Works for everyone else not complaining. We'll slug knowing they got DS, go after the one who just unhooked since they'll be around, get them hooked, go after the ones who were busy healing and possibly doing a gen in the time frame of me chasing and hooking.
It's not difficult, just use your brain, my dude. :) And get a salty pm about being a coward slugging them and not taking the DS like a potato. I'm slugged often in red ranks, and I slug often myself.
As a survivor who uses DS, it's to be expected that not all killers are gonna immediately pick up and will just simply down the one(s) nearby and keep field pressure. Don't be a potato and it's all good. ;)
Yeah i'm the potato 2k hrs played since beta, rank 1 on both every season, don't trust me ? watch on that site with all the stats.
Trust me i play way better than you, i ain't a puss to run dstrike and complain about noed on forums OMEGALUL, i'm not going to argue with someone that tells me that dstrike has a counter, look up on what a counter is.
No matter how you play the survivor with dstrike will always win ALWAYS, unless they miss it, go ahead write your 3 page long reply on how i should play.
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@Atsuka_Anarchy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/651834#Comment_651834
It's called slugging, my guy. It actually works if you're not a potato killer. ;)
Another player with low iq that tells me slugging counters ds, holy moly if i had a dollar every time i heard this non sense Bill Gates would be considered poor.
How does slugging counter DS when he recovers, and is 1 second away from being healed up?, yeah you don't get Dstriked but he STILL ESCAPES and STILL HAS DSTRIKE, think holy god, or you tell me to wait there 1 min while 3 guys are doing 3 gens in which i basically lose the whole game.
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Make him so he doesn't slow down while charging the chainsaw like billy, he keeps his movement constant while leatherface becomes a turtle.
Plus rework some of his addons, show them some love.
Boom now he is a solid mid killer.
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@Atsuka_Anarchy said:
Wow. Are killers still bringing up DS? Seriously? Much wow...
Same for survivors with noed, even tho it can be deactivated before effect, which dstrike cannot.
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@Warlock_2020 said:
Look, up until the yellow, purple and red ranks there really is no reason to complain about gen rush. Map pressure is easy at those ranks, just don't get too focused on one survivor.
At those higher ranks is where it gets harder. Survivors loop better, they avoid better, and they focus on the gens more. This is why a cover all fix will not work. The majority of players are in the green ranks. Many are casual and nowhere near as skilled as higher rank players. Adding another objective to all ranks would make lower rank matches pure squash matches.
The key is to add rank rewards and increase difficulty by rank.
Adding rank rewards is a good thing, dificully by rank ? ######### NO
I know personal individuals that would give up their entire progress in 2k hrs just to bully killer, when you have those kind of individuals in the game, do you think they're gonna rank up for what ? bloodpoints, or shards ######### NO. they care to bully not to get rewards.
The key is to implement another objective, good players will adapt, bad players will still do gens.
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You know finishing 60% of the game in the first 2 mins is not a very good design choice.
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/631758#Comment_631758
I watch Billy mains and it's not easy at all to land chainsaw against good survivors, sorry to tell you. Theey mostt of the time even end land M1ing thess survivors, LOL.
Do you play on console? or otherwise you must live in another dimension, either way i'm not going to argue with you over this topic, if you really thing that landing billy's saw is hard, maybe you ain't the right person to talk about balance, no offense
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Honestly the idea on paper seems nice, but in reality it is not so good.
Everyone will sell everything they have on characters they dont play and put all bloodpoints in strong killer/items, that wouldn't be very fun huh...
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@Locker_Monster said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/630994#Comment_630994
It's nowhere near easy to land.
Juke sideways at the right time and Billy runs right past you.
Stay near small objects and his hitbox might hit them instead.
Keep out of long, clear lanes and he can't run at you for very long.
His turning sucks and he can't spin in place like a melee hit.
Billy is fine.
What? did you even play billy in the first place?. I'm not talking about hitting you from across the map if thats what you refer to by "hard to land", i'm talking close up insta down like all good billys do.
I know people that play exclusively hillbilly since beta, i bet a million dollars they can catch you on any loop in the game with the saw.
I don't know what streamer, or who brainwashed this community in thinking billy isn't good but holy ######### it worked like crazy
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/630994#Comment_630994
Billy's chainsaw isn't easy to land in competent survivors.
You're lucky, haven't found those billys yet.
It is extremely easy to land, even against "competent survivors", if you really want to prove me that HB isn't op, find some counter arguments not like X thing doesn't work against good survivors, Its outdated.
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He is overpowered. Take a look at all killers in the game, clown has to reload his bottles, spirit has to wait for her power, ghostface has to wait for his power, huntress has finite amount of hatches, legion has to wait for his power.
Hillbilly has no cooldown on his power, and no 2 seconds its not cooldown, with uncommon addon you get that down to 0.
Having 1-shot the whole game, easy to land, and insane mobility is too good,
I think they shouldn't look into spirit, and instead remove billy's 1-shot, be is by far superior to any other killer besides nurse.
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624675#Comment_624675
holy ######### you actually just said Spirits power is a 50/50 as if scratches, sound, and collision don't exist
I was refering to "mindgame" pallets while they have iron will or non injured, no sound, he leaves no scratchmarks while stading, i guess collision could give her a slight edge, but when taking in consideration every possibility RNG that can mess up a game, you can argue that clown is A tier....
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624625#Comment_624625
######### am I reading.
Same, people thinking spirit is over billy, crazy times huh?
Either way this discussion is not going anywhere, is like beating a dead horse, spirit over billy or vice versa, there's no point play whatever you feel, the best is whoever you feel and let it be.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624646#Comment_624646
If you face a good looper guess what others are doing? That's right - gens. After 1 chase is done 3 gens can pop. This is not the case with the Spirit as she can down people fast enough due to how limited looping potential of survivors is with her. She can apply pressure from the start and even camp hook as she can phase back to down the unhooked and chase after the unhooker, negating BT becuse she leaves her husk far from the hook.
See right there you just changed the subject, sorry man if anyone plays hillbilly or anyone besides nurse that way, its not the killer's fault but only the player's.
If you chase a semi decent survivor tru killer shack,safe pallets, good windows or semi-infinites and you wonder why the X killer sucks...., you can do that for every killer. Spirit is not as good as people make her out to be, she is not nurse, she doesn't have that much stoping loop potential, is a 50-50% chance, that's not soo good when you put it on paper.
Either way this subject is like beating a dead horse, if you think spirit is better than billy or vice verse, be it man, i don't really have the power to make someone understand if they refuse, i'm a good player that understands the game not god.
Fun discussion i guess.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624630#Comment_624630
It's because Spirit can end chases as fast as the Nurse. Billy can waste a lot of time on a survivor and some maps are not the best for him. At base with no addons Spirit is weaker but with addons and Prayer Beads added into the mix she will always be better than Billy. She also has better mindgame potential and her counterplay is only based on lucky guesses, which survivors often fail spectacularly.
I agree with the addons, spirit with addons is better than billy, but you're not going to have two purple addons everygame, thats 14k bp everygame.
Look at billy's addons they don't change the game as much as spirit's, why cause he already has the best kit in the game (excluding pos nurse), the most complete kit in the game mobility+1-shot, to argue with me on whos better is absurd.
And as i said looping isn't everything, spoiler alert: gen rush win games not looping, if the games would be atleast 10 mins, looping wouldn't even be a problem.
But what do i know: just loop him 4Head.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624625#Comment_624625
Too bad good players can still pallet loop Billy into oblivion, but what do I know having ony 2700 h in the game.
If you truly have 2700 hrs in the game, you would know looping isn't everything.
The only reason (reason LUL) i heard on why spirit is better than hillbilly is: just loop him. Legit the only reason, i'm still waiting for someone to prove me with some GOOD reasons, not just loop him 4Head.
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/624597#Comment_624597
Dude, you know you are talking to Scott Jund, right ? He plays both, Spirit and Billy, at red ranks, and he still thinks Spirit is better than Billy, even after playing them constantly in high ranks.
I don't care who i am talking to, honestly, as long as they believe spirit is better than billy they might as well don't play this game, its so absurd to even think that.
HB has 1-shot the whole game, at any point you made 1 simple mistake, you're on the hook, spirit at best can get a hit on you, from 1-shot down to 1 hit is a long way to go.
The moblity is the main thing why everyone, played hillbilly in 2016, even if they remove his 1-shot billy will still be top 4 killers in the game, how crazy ??
Should i mention he has little to no cooldown on his chainsaw? yeah 2 seconds, and with addons goes down to literally 0.
Did i mention that spirit takes 30 seconds to down someone, no matter they are good/bad/god.... it will always take 30 seconds to down someone, BEST CASE SCENARIO, it could take up to 60-90 seconds if the survivor knows what he is doing, with decent mobility 90s=3 gens done.
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@switch said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623933#Comment_623933
well i don't stay 24/7 on forums, and don't watch 24/7 streams about dbd.
FYI you don't get better at the game if you watch X streamer plays, i assume you didn't know that, maybe this clear things out.
The fact that you put spirit and billy in the same pool, explains the fact that you have no idea what the strongest 2 killers have in common, spoiler alert spirit isn't one of them.
Maybe stop watching streamers and play the game, then you might understand how stupid this spirit/billy topic really is LMAO.
interesting i just typed that, and literally 2 mins later you write that down, interesting, you don't stay 24/7 on forums.
It's pretty clear who i'm talking to already, wasting time that could be useful to answer actually worth questions.
Keep playing spirit, as long as i don't see nurse/hillbilly, i'm fine, keep playing her and keep saying shes the best killer in the entire game, easier games i'm okay with.
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@Laakeri said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623906#Comment_623906
Hexy became a living meme in DbD community from the "Billy OP". He is still no match to Tru3 tho.
Hahaha, that made me laugh, thanks i needed that.
I guess you're probably his sub, and coming here on forums and saying how good he is.
Dude last time i checked, true gets on average 1.5/2 survivors out constantly, last time i checked hexy get 0, sometimes 1 out due to gen rush meta.
Quit trolling you're bad at it.
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@ScottJund said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623906#Comment_623906
Well that sure explains your opinion that Billy is better than Spirit.
well i don't stay 24/7 on forums, and don't watch 24/7 streams about dbd.
FYI you don't get better at the game if you watch X streamer plays, i assume you didn't know that, maybe this clear things out.
The fact that you put spirit and billy in the same pool, explains the fact that you have no idea what the strongest 2 killers have in common, spoiler alert spirit isn't one of them.
Maybe stop watching streamers and play the game, then you might understand how stupid this spirit/billy topic really is LMAO.
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@Marcus said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623663#Comment_623663
Even Billy mains with thousands of hours like Zubatlel and OhTofu says that Spirit is better than Billy. It's not just Tru3, pretty much every high rank killer streamer says that Spirit is stronger.
I've never heard zubat saying that, even tho i don't watch anyone on dbd besides hexy.
I'm going to be honest with you, i don't want to bash on tofu he is a nice guy, but he is not a killer main, and he doesn't even tryhard when he plays, just plays for fun as this game should be played.
I think most of the the people that say spirit is better than billy, they forget that spirit has 15 seconds cooldown every time you fail/hit that is 15 seconds while 3 guys rush them gens, you miss 3-4 phase walks and they got 3 gens.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/623658#Comment_623658
This post is... nah, I am not gonna say this.
Sorry, but OP made exactly no reasoning in his initial post. And it is kinda cheap to ask for reasons, when you dont give some.
But to use your IQ-"argument"...Everyone above Green Ranks will agree that Spirit is better. But I think you are a troll.
I'm dead serious, rank 1 on both since june 2016, 2000 hours, played spirit when she came out, what can i say...billy is better, i do agree that her addons are insane but you can't use addons everygame.
I don't know why everyone takes true's opinions as facts, i think hes the one that started this movement with spirit over billy and is soo stupid, remember he also said that fake pallets are x10 better than snares, he also said clown is better than trapper/wraith and he put him at mid tier.
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Billy is better than spirit, by quite a lot.
I don't understand why soo many people defend spirit, i guess they heard from a streamer i think true, not sure, i don't know for some reason everyone takes that guy as being a good killer, and take his opinions as being facts YIKES.
Either way without getting into specifics, billy is way above spirit, anyone with iq above average can see that.
Just loop him 4Head
Just loop 4Head
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@Aven_Fallen said:
So you are asking for a reason, but dont give one yourself?
Spirit is better. Billy gets looped, Spirit not. Easy as that.
Just loop him 4Head.
I've heard this is the only reason why spirit is abose hillbilly? so if i come up with 2 reasons why billy is better than spirit that means i win ok
Billy has the best mobility in the entire game
Billy has 1-shot the entire game.
By your logic billy>spirit.
OMEGALUL
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Dstrike, adrenaline, borrowed time, instaheals, also kills the fun.... would you look at that.
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Rush gens, no matter who is the killer, who plays the X killer, what perks is the X killer using, no killer wins 4-5 mins matches.
End of story.
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I'm going to start by saying DS was never meant to be in the game rightfully so. Why put a free escape in the game, it just promotes toxic gameplay on both sides.
Tunneling ins't a problem, i'm sorry it is not, you have 3 chances, if your team is smart, if you fail 3 times to escape the killer and hide / or juke him for 5 gens, i'm sorry you're playing the wrong game, i don't get mad when a killer tunnels into me since he basically throws the game for 1 person, i'm fine with that, i get 3 out, a win in my book.
Just COMPLETELY rework this perk, for the better game.
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It is possible with 4 people on the same gens all using bnp.
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No its not bannable.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/620153#Comment_620153
I play both sides, in fact I play survivor more and I enjoy facing Nurse.
Perfect, i hope you can get all my nurse games, would be a win-win for both, only if that would be a thing