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@Impartiality said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689883#Comment_2689883
Because that’s what you agreed when you purchased the game
I agreed to not having things fixed?
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@Tiufal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689932#Comment_2689932
Thats soo far off in compariosn with this. But I guess you cant see this.
I mean, sure, they're not 1-1. But free hits (even partial ones like protection hits) definitely matter.
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@Tiufal said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689874#Comment_2689874
Sure those 6 hits are totally gamechanging. Hilarious.
Hey, Mettle of Man proved that just ONE hit is a massive gamechanger. :P
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@SleepyWillo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689148#Comment_2689148
I'm fine with suggested changes if theyre balanced but just doing that change is broken. Survivors already move at a snails pace when in a snowman and literally cant interact with ANYTHING while in one. Even if you changed it so the snowmen are just a skin you'd have survivor mains claiming its a direct nerf to survivor stealth.
No matter what you do you'll have one side moaning. I think the current snowman state is pretty balanced (for everyone except twins obvi). It also provides a lot of early game delay with survivors looking for killers to hit them. I'm curious to see how the game will be after the first few days when theres nothing left to do but for now its a quirky little change that I cant hate too much...
"No matter what you do you'll have one side moaning."
If you make the snowman costume purely cosmetic without it affecting gameplay, who exactly is gonna complain?
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689866#Comment_2689866
They don't turn that fast. You can run around them faster then they can turn.
Also i'm pretty sure most survivors don't even realise the difference it makes. I haven't come across a lot of survivors trying to use the snowman purely for the extra health state but the ones who did certainly weren't hard to hit in the face.
Haven't tried it yet but in theory having stbfl and doing this will really hamper snowmen
Is it that they can't turn fast or they can't walk fast? Like, how long does it take for a Survivor to flip around if they immediately move their character to face the opposite direction?
Also, the fact that people haven't caught on doesn't count for much IMO.
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@Fantasy said:
Oh god, just go play something else scrooge.
Why? Why does the choice have to be between putting up with something badly executed or having to play elsewhere? Why can't the issue just be fixed in such a way that the thing people enjoy about them isn't disrupted?
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I think just making the snowman costume cosmetic with no gameplay changes is more than enough to fix the issue Killers have without removing any of the fun of the snowman costume.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689839#Comment_2689839
It doesn't need to perfect in the face. As long as it's 180 degrees in the front they don't gain distance.
Just anything then hitting them in the back.
Right, but they still just need to be able to not be facing you to gain distance.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689824#Comment_2689824
They don't turn instantly. I haven't had a issue with hitting the snowmen in the face.
I ofcourse don't know if the survivor were actively trying do hide their face so i'm not 100% sure.
It isn't a perfect solution but it does make quite a difference if you play killers whos power can't pop the snowman
The advice is appreciated, but if they can turn reliably enough, it's not really a solution, is it?
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@Sonzaishinai said:
For people who are struggling with this. The survivor always jumps out in front.
If you hit the snowman in the face so the survivor jumps out in towards you you can greatly reduce the distance they can make.
The difference is pretty bi
Is it possible for Survivors to just turn around and not face you?
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@Dino7281 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689759#Comment_2689759
Survivor mains acting like they are not hypocrites in real life.
You love to see it.
Sorry, I tried my best...
Maybe this is why some people are unsympathetic toward the issues with this event. Because they see it as just another example of "Us vs. Them".
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@ThanksForDaily said:
Killer mains acting like tough guys in matches and crying at the same time about snowmen in forums on Christmas event. 😂
You love to see it.
Please refrain from actively trying to fan the flames of the "Us vs. Them" mentality.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
This isn't really a snowman issue but a huge twins issue in general.
Viktor going into his 5 (!) second stun after hitting BT or getting validated by dead hard is also bs.
The trigger of his stun should br the downing of a survivor not the hitting part
Can we say "it's a snowman issue that especially impacts Twins?"
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I am of the opinion that it is the devs' responsibility to make sure the game is fun for both sides. Players only work with what they're given.
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@Underdawg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2689009#Comment_2689009
Using and Abusing are different things. If I give you a hammer, you can either build a house or bludgeon someone to death. The solution isn't to remove the hammer.
Unlike bludgeoning someone to death with a hammer, using the snowmen to gain a competitive advantage is not breaking any rules. And you can't just implement "no using the snowmen to gain a competitive advantage" as a rule because there is no way that is remotely enforceable. You don't have to remove the snowmen; you just have to fix the issues with them that make them frustrating.
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@bm33 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688957#Comment_2688957
Gun didn't make Predator Hunting Ground, Illfonic were the developers on that.
Huh, for some reason, I thought it was the F13 people who made Predator: Hunting Grounds. Oh well.
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@Underdawg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688993#Comment_2688993
If no one is interested in the gimmick, then wouldn't you just have a normal match with no one using the snowmen? Or do you mean survivors who don't care about goofing around, but want to abuse the snowmen to "win"?
If you mean the latter, I definitely agree that you have a point there. You're left with Survivors who get the dopamine hit of "lawl we juiced that killer. GG EZ." But in the grand scheme of things, they're still losers IRL. Anyone who gets so amped about abusing game mechanics to boost themselves and make their opponents feel bad is trash. I know that doesn't do much to help competitive Killer mains, but it's really not healthy to let this game impact one's mental health so negatively.
Honestly, I'd love to see an event benefit Killers. I'd love it if the next Halloween we got an event that buffed the hell out every killer. Something like random intervals during the match, every survivor screams and reveals their location - which gives the killer an immediate Tier 3 bloodlust. I would love that as Survivor - the sheer horror of it would be great, and competitive Killers would get that rush of being powerful for the entire event.
I very much mean the latter.
Saying "well, at least they're losers IRL" doesn't really help. In fact, I don't agree with that at all. Players are allowed to try and win with the tools at their disposal. I am always of the belief that it's not the players' fault for using unbalanced things. It's the developers' fault for allowing that unbalanced thing to go unchecked in the first place.
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@Underdawg said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688833#Comment_2688833
It's not that your input doesn't matter, it's that a lot of Killers who aren't having fun with this event are looking at it from a competitive standpoint. They are concerned about the possibility of the difficulty of their matches increasing (and rightly so). That input, however, is predicated on a personal opinion that this game needs to be "balanced" at all times so Killers can "win" because that is how they have "fun". This event seems to me to be about being silly and festive - and isn't taking "winning" into account.
I'll put it this way, what would you say to a group of Survivors who complain to you in postgame chat that all they wanted to do was meme around in front of the TV in Gideon, but you 4K'd them? What would you think about their input? Or would you point out that your goals (maybe you had a rift challenge) simply didn't align with theirs and wish them luck in their next match?
Their input is more about goofing around than about how the game plays, so I can't really say that it counts for a whole lot when it comes to the overall health of the game. You can't ask players to play how you want them to, but you can ask the developers to make sure that the game doesn't become overly miserable to play.
The issue rears its ugly head when five players come in for a game of DBD, and none of them are interested in the holiday gimmick. What do you have left, then? What do you tell the Killer who is now highly disadvantaged vs. Survivors who are not interested in goofing around?
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What happened to the Predator game? Is that still being worked on, or has that been abandoned for the TCM game?
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688897#Comment_2688897
Have you tried stbfl?
I wonder if you get extra tokens for hitting snowman
I'm not crazy about STBFL on Pig because I'm not crazy about using the ambush outside of loops (or...on loops. Ambush sucks, but eh.). But from what I understand, you do get a stack.
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@Sonzaishinai said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688173#Comment_2688173
If your playing pig then winning isn't to high on your priority list i would say.
But if winning is all you care about then yes. Just like the old halloween event with the flowers was a bad time to play survivor
"If your playing pig then winning isn't to high on your priority list i would say."
Incorrect. I just wish to do so using the character I am drawn to the most.
"But if winning is all you care about then yes. Just like the old halloween event with the flowers was a bad time to play survivor"
Yep, that was also an issue back then.
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@Thunderfrog said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688876#Comment_2688876
Stop it. Whats happening isn't feedback, its bitching in post about snowmen. There's literally one thread in the feedback forums. Large difference between ..
OMFG SURVIVOR SIDED BS F ALL THIS ######### and making a thought out post in feedback.
How would one be able to vocalize the issues OP has with the event in a way that could meaningfully be described as "feedback?"
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@ThanksForDaily said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688840#Comment_2688840
And again, for those who they don't like it, it's their own problem. No one is forcing you to play.
That logic to me just seems dismissive in a way that can apply to literally any complaint. I don't think it's fair to ignore valid criticism.
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@Thunderfrog said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688833#Comment_2688833
Not really, no. The devs made a decision. You are free to play or not.
I asked why their input doesn't matter, not whether it does.
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I think part of the disconnect here is that the people who are enjoying the event are not enjoying it for the same reasons as the reasons other people have for disliking the event. So when the people who dislike the event vocalize their complaints, the people who are enjoying it don't think much of it because it's not something that they themselves have an issue with. As such, their response is to assume that the logic of the complainers doesn't make sense and to tell those complainers to suck it up.
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@ThanksForDaily said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688833#Comment_2688833
People who aren't having fun for some reason may stop playing until the event is over.
Less of those, better the event.
But that seems to just be ignoring criticism of the event. You don't just listen to the people who are enjoying things and push aside those who don't. You just end up with an echo chamber.
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@ThanksForDaily said:
Try not to be misarable, the event is just for a few days. People having fun. Killers and survivors.
Get over it.
What about the people who aren't having fun? Why does their input not matter?
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@Deadeye said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688806#Comment_2688806
The OP was talking about a killer sided event, which I was referring to if that would happen
Ah, my mistake.
In that case, I'd say Survivors would be right to complain. I think the idea behind this event is really funny and welcome, but the execution is very much risking making the experience miserable for one side.
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@Deadeye said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688790#Comment_2688790
So I guess you didn't read my response above. I had fun with this Nemesis in chat, he enjoyed it very much. BAM your argument countered. Both sides can enjoy it. and ...
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688793#Comment_2688793
... Nope! There are also survivor mains tryharding their side and only caring for winning as well, they would take your part in complaining about the event in this case. And people like me would get into these posts giving examples on how this event can be fun for both sides again
"There are also survivor mains tryharding their side and only caring for winning as well, they would take your part in complaining about the event in this case."
Would they? It seems to me like those Survivors would actively take advantage of the protection offered by the snowman in the middle of a chase.
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@MrCalac123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688794#Comment_2688794
It's fun when it's balanced and fair.
It's not balanced nor fair.
For some reason, players are expected to not care about that because of the time of year.
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Is it only fun when no one is trying to win? Or is it fun when four Survivors and one Killer just want to play the game for what it is?
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Thanks, but no. :P
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@Trickstaaaaa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688547#Comment_2688547
It's reasonable because it's a limited timed event. It's not a big deal, just have fun and enjoy the event 🎅. People need to be more supportive for them trying new things. I'm happy since it's the first time in years since got an actual Christmas event, and it's just funny to see survivors running a snowman.
You didn't answer my question at all.
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@Trickstaaaaa said:
Some people take this game too seriously 🤣 Just have fun and enjoy the limited time event. This is why they don't try anything new, since there is always these grumblers who always find something to complain about.
I guess here's my question: How screwed up does an event have to be before "just have fun with the limited time event" is not a reasonable excuse anymore? Sure there has to be a breaking point.
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I think the best way to go about it would be to just make the snowman a cosmetic change and not actually change Survivor gameplay. At the very least, I think it'd be funnier to see a big 'ol wobbly snowman running around and looping Killers.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
If someone asks why the Devs dont listen to Killers (they do listen to Killers), I will link them this thread.
Really, such an non-issue. Survivors dont really get distance with a Snowman. And they cannot really do anything while in it. A few days into the event, they will probably ignore the Snowmans, because they got all the Event Items.
I mean, I'm seeing footage of Survivors using it to extend chases, so I find it hard to believe that the snowmen will be ignored.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688362#Comment_2688362
My solution would have been to give the killer the ability to hide in the Snowmen as well (I know SWF ruins it, but it would still be funzo) and lose their terror radius+m1+power+movement speed until they leave it.
Pretty pointless, but meme potential would be pretty funny.
Sinister Snowman camping/bleedouts/bodyblocking would also be pretty silly.
It would also incentivize people to 'pal' around more during the event.
That lets the Killer be memey, but that doesn't do anything about the Survivors who don't want to goof around.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688400#Comment_2688400
They shouldn't. The survivors who are being sweaty with the snowmen also deserve the same advice: lighten up and goof off, stop taking this so seriously.
It's just that even if they don't, you can still follow that advice and approach this event with the goal of being playful with the snowmen, and if you don't, then the survivors can't follow suit.
You say they shouldn't, but who's gonna stop them? Santa?
If both sides ignore that advice, do both sides end up feeling frustrated?
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688357#Comment_2688357
What I deny is that it's a free health state or a free hit, because it isn't either of those things. A more accurate description would be that it's a free protection hit, because the survivor who uses the snowman has about the same benefit as someone swooping in for a protection hit, which really isn't that big of a deal- maybe it feels pretty bad if you're playing competitively and sweating for some kills, but in a more casual approach it's just some silly fun.
As to the rest of your points, that brings me back around to the core problem here: If you really feel that the game is this unplayable and that you can't have any fun just goofing off or playing casually, go play something else. You're not entitled to the game catering to your approach all the time, it's not the end of the world if you look at the event and decide "nah I don't enjoy playing the game that way".
It's a casual event. If you don't want to play casually, that's fine, but don't whine about how the event's additions don't gel well with playing competitively.
(Granted, there is some merit to being annoyed at survivors who are being sweaty with the snowmen, but even then, if you take a step back and stop going for the kills it can be some silly amusement.)
"(Granted, there is some merit to being annoyed at survivors who are being sweaty with the snowmen, but even then, if you take a step back and stop going for the kills it can be some silly amusement.)"
That feels like a double standard to me. Why should only one side have to consider stepping back and not taking things seriously because the other side is attempting to weaponize a holiday gimmick?
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@ChurchofPig said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688313#Comment_2688313
At first I didn't understand why you thought the design of the snowman was an "oversight," now that you've explained it, I understand what you mean. You really shouldn't be able to just jump from snowman to snowman and always be able to get out of the hit. I get that's why killers can still injure/down a survivor if they aren't fully in the snowman, but that also implies that the killer is close enough to do that. Maybe they should be nerfed slightly to make the event feel more fair for both sides. Maybe like, "After you've jumped in 2 snowmen, the snowmen cannot save you from another hit and you will still lose a health state if you jump in anymore." Maybe even 1 snowman could work with that, either way, an event shouldn't give you the equivalent of infinite health states as long as you can find the event prop.
I think it'd be both more fair and funnier if the snowman was purely cosmetic and didn't change gameplay for the Survivor. No protection hit, but the snowman gets to run full speed.
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I love downing people who try to boop my snoot and then pretending to not know what "bope the snot" means in post-game chat.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688295#Comment_2688295
How is it not a slight advantage? They get to avoid being downed, sure, but they don't get a speed boost and they don't get the dash they'd get from Dead Hard, it at best buys them a reset if they're insanely lucky and get a snowman that's like, right next to a strong loop.
Which, again, is only a problem if you're approaching the goofy holiday event like you're trying your hardest to win, which I have no idea why you'd do if you're so convinced that the snowmen break that aspect of the game.
I'm not telling people how they're supposed to play or feel about the game, I'm reminding them that there is more than one way to play or feel about the game, and that this event is encouraging one that isn't playing sweaty. That's it. Stop putting words in my mouth.
My issue with the notion that "it's just a for-fun event" is that the event runs the risk of alienating people who aren't interested in said event by impacting them anyways should they want to still play. Sure, it's not the end of the world if they stop playing, but I don't think an event should be discouraging certain groups to be playing to begin with if there's going to be no way to avoid it in-game.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688273#Comment_2688273
That is heresy. Everyone owns Freddy.
And if they don't, then wait for the ANOES DLC to go on sale and buy it.
Er, I don't. :>
*quietly hides my Freddy DLC under my mattress*
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@GeneralV said:
Ok Myla, I will give you the ultimate fix for that.
Play Freddy.
They will jump out of the snowman as soon as you approach then.
It worked for me during my little testing session (I had to know).
It will probably work for you as well.
What if they don't own Freddy? :P
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@Exxodus21 said:
Why are your worrying about winning during an event?
I'd see your point if this event wasn't just the main game for about two weeks.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688201#Comment_2688201
That's a fair opinion, but it's no more valid than that of those who enjoy this event.
I'm fine with that. People are allowed to enjoy Superman 64. Why can't they enjoy this?
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688196#Comment_2688196
Then the event is not for you. That's fine! There's no lasting damage done here if you evaluate the event and go "meh, I'm not interested".
You're not entitled to the game holding your interest 24/7, it's totally fine if you just decide you don't want to play this.
I can live with not playing it, but it is still a poorly-executed event to me because of how it disrupts the gameplay in a negative and uneven way.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688188#Comment_2688188
I'm not sure what your criteria are, then! Any other game that does a seasonal event some people don't like would have the same answer, if you don't feel like playing this event then don't play it.
They get criticised for not doing enough, they get criticised for doing too much... there's no way for this game to win, is there?
My criteria is "how much is the fun of the normal game impacted by this event?" I am all for goofy Christmas stuff on Christmas, but if I wouldn't have fun playing it under normal circumstances, I wouldn't suddenly have fun playing it as a limited-time event.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688181#Comment_2688181
You wait for the event to end. If the event doesn't seem fun to you, don't play it.
That doesn't sound like a well-designed event to me, then.
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@jesterkind said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2688156#Comment_2688156
You're being purposefully obtuse, but I'll answer anyway: It's not a "mode", it's the way you approach the game.
How do I go about playing the game as normal without these snowmen?