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@bm33 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052702#Comment_4052702
I mentioned Orion, just didn't tag because lazy. The reasons you listed are exactly why I did. There's a handful of moments I remember perfectly on this forum, the day he decided he wasn't going to be part of the DBD community anymore is one of them.
I still kind of feel bad for instigating that whole conversation.
But like, BHVR shouldn't have been doing anything with NFTs in the first place.
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Completely anecdotally, but DBD has gotten far better over time.
I have this one screenshot from years and years ago with a whole bunch of players whose names were slurs, live streaming on Twitch saying absolutely horrific things.
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It's kind of fun in an all Hex build, but other than that, I've found it to be the weakest of Henry's perks.
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@ArkInk said:
I remember @Cheers as a pretty chill dude, especially when I ran into him in a few matches I think around Pyramid Head's release. He passed on a few years ago, but I remember the impact he had on people around here. There are so many great users left to mention, especially ones that aren't here anymore, but I wanted to give a little spotlight to someone whose memory I once made a promise to uphold.
Rest in peace man, hope to meet you out there in the fog again someday.
Oh yes!
@Cheers for sure.
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@100PercentBPMain said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052530#Comment_4052530
i watched stranger things for the first time when I saw Steve i had to remind myself that you aren't literally him
It may be surprising to learn I used to have a Myers PFP.
And it may be equally as surprising that Steve is not my favorite Stranger Things character.
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Most of the OG Trusted guys too.
Just the one's off the top of my head that I remember being around when I was new.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052109#Comment_4052109
Because, in the current state of the game, with faster healing that buys time for more repairs and recent pallet-density changes and current base-kit endurance and haste buffs, it is more of a stressful necessity that reduces Survivors' strength and ensures their second chances don't have to be dealt with on multiple people at once.
We've seen the Kill Rates. They aren't perfect, but Killers appear to be holding steady.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052102#Comment_4052102
The employment of a strategy does not need to be about a need; it can also be about a want based on appeal, curiosity, and/or experimentation.
Those aforementioned second-chances exist to prevent tunneling from being over-powered(, even if I disagree with their intention and existence.) Any new benefits should be developed alone to not produce undesirable effects elsewhere, not be a reason to further nerf other strategies.
Perhaps not, but it is a common argument you hear. Maybe the most common.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052097#Comment_4052097
I mention no names and no it does not need to be talked about. The mods will take action if action is required.
It felt like quite an accusation, surely if it's as bad as you say, we need to make that proof public.
Ultimately, I'm confused why you'd even bring it up if it does not need to be talked about.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052096#Comment_4052096
Tunneling is only consistently exceptionally strong on S-tiers like The Nurse. Otherwise, like for Killers I regularly play such as Sadako, I'd argue that there's enough risk as it is since focusing on one Survivor can backfire due to both looping skills and teammates' repair proficiency, so much so that whom I'm tunneling is not even guaranteed to die(, nor should that be a guarantee.) If anything, an update that expands Killers' strategic options to make matches less repetitive and, thus, frustrating, should be tested, without any anti-anything.
I would say tunneling is consistently strong on most Killers, perhaps except the bottom few.
Obviously, having a better power (anti-loop or mobility) will lend itself well to being a better tunneler. That's most of the Killers in the game now.
I will say this next part, and I promise I do not mean it arrogantly. I played a lot of Killer. I pushed about as far as I could possibly go, ending up in limited competitive matches, but ultimately, I lost interest.
So, I understand Sadako is not, hmmm shall we say, a strong anti-loop Killer? However, even still, I cannot recall feeling like I couldn't guarantee a death, if I so chose.
Theoretically, we did see that update. That was 6.1.0. We saw quite an increase in tunneling, despite many Survivor nerfs, Killer buffs and massive perk combos. Indeed, if there was a time where Killers did not need to tunnel, 6.1 would've been the time. CoB, Eruption, Overcharge and such dominated gen defense.
If we bring a carrot like that, which I am not opposed to, we do also need to make sure nobody can abuse other strategies whilst still reaping those benefits.
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@runningguy said:
Soooo to the topic at hand….slugging and tunneling…. will we see any more anti tunnel or anti slugging? personally i dont think so 😂
Nah bruh that was a wild accusation.
Who is bullying people? This needs to be talked about, I assume you've got proof of this happening?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052090#Comment_4052090
I read through it again now.
I don't think that tunneling is overpowered, not when so many base-kit second chances have been implemented to deal with any semblance of unfairness it may have ever had. Now, it comes down to, as you referenced, personal and team skill, which I don't think is unfair to rely on in a team game. Anecdotally, when I go down and get targeted repeatedly, it's because of how fast I went down and where I went down, like by the basement. And, when someone else is getting targeted repeatedly, it's something I try to counter with body-blocks and/or repair efficiency.
Of course, there's no hard evidence to suggest a definitive line of thinking either way, it ultimately comes down to opinion.
DBD is certainly a very different game than when I started. Many Killer second chances, or handicaps, were simply not present. It made the game very miserable at times, still though, there was just something about it that kept me coming back.
All that to say, second chances are not inherently a bad thing. I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks window-blockers or the removal of true infinites was a bad idea.
DBD is not quite a team game, but not quite a solo game either. The game is simultaneously balanced around solo play and team play. If tunneling occurs, against Solos or Duos or possibly Trios, the Survivors are at a massive disadvantage. A 3v1 is nigh unwinnable for Survivors, barring a massive misplay from the Killer.
I would not necessarily say that tunneling is overpowered, but more that the risk to reward ratio is very skewed. There is very little risk, and the reward is much too tempting to pass up for many players, despite the fact that it can ultimately make you a worse player. I would liken it to starting out playing Nurse, but only Nurse. You become extremely proficient, but when you do decide to swap to a different Killer, you find you know very little about how the game really plays out. You've been playing a fundamentally different game, and have subsequently, handicapped yourself from learning how the game normally plays out.
I view tunneling similarly. If you only tunnel, and you will win roughly 90% of your games by doing this, you will not be prepared when a team equipped to handle it comes along.
Hence, I think there should be more risk and a little less reward. It's good to have a little fear, gameplay-wise, but frustrating people by having them repeatedly play well, but ultimately die with no recourse or account for personal skill, is not a great design.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052087#Comment_4052087
Well, as I've said, my account is set for deletion. But, until that goes through, sure, when I'm on.
Of course.
Did you have a chance to read my generalized response to you earlier? I apologize for being a bit long-winded.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052085#Comment_4052085
No. Better to be honest and risk sounding rude than mince words.
I assume you aren't arguing to change their minds, but to change the minds of those reading. To "speak the truth" as you see it, yes?
It would seem to me that it would be far more advantageous for your position to continue arguing politely instead of devolving into name-calling and such.
Still, it is of course, up to you. Perhaps you'd engage with me, instead?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052080#Comment_4052080
True; however, a lot of people were using their biases to gaslight and be inflammatory.
Perhaps, perhaps not.
Even if they were, is it not more advantageous to appear magnanimous in the face of that adversity?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052077#Comment_4052077
I criticized people's stances by calling out their biases and lack of substance in responses. No, I don't have to admit anything.
No, I suppose you don't have to.
We all have biases, you and I included, I'm sure. What matters is that we are able to constructively (and civilly) reach a conclusion.
That is where the best ideas come from, generally.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052040#Comment_4052040
This accusation of supposed hostility, of course, ignores all of the other individuals who have gaslit or been inflammatory themselves.
You've got to admit; you did lean pretty heavily into the ad hominem attacks there.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4052065#Comment_4052065
your hitting a brick wall lol there is a group of about 4 or 5 them that are chummy and in a clique…a couple talk privately and even play SWF together. (forums version of bully squad). eventually they will push it too far and get themselves banned lol
Who is bro talking about?
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4051716#Comment_4051716
It's an option against a Doctor, an M1 Killer.
I've been watching this thread for a bit, so consider this a reply to pretty much everything you've said.
I found that you started out quite strong. Asking for better tutorials is always a welcome sight. The titanic amount of information new players are expected to intake, digest and be efficient at is, quite frankly, abhorrent. Anything that makes that better is a W in my book.
However, you then start to get into ad hominem attacks when people disagree with some of your points. This is where your argument, and tone, falls to pieces.
This comment merely highlights it. Yes, if you are smurfing or playing against a brand-new Killer, you can probably avoid getting hit. However, no one serious about the game genuinely expects to go hitless. It entirely unhelpful. Modern DBD simply isn't set-up that way anymore.
You can look at it as handicaps, or you can look at it as preventing bad actors from abusing the system, which is how I choose to look at it. Killer has been given just as many of these as Survivors, possibly more considering how the game started.
Ultimately, to your original point, tunneling is too much bang for your buck, so to speak. You can tunnel and win the vast majority of your games, not because you won't have opponents of equal skill, but because the amount of skill required to successfully execute a tunnel is vastly less than the amount of skill required to prevent (or more likely) win in spite of it. You need not only personal skill, but skill as a team, and that is quite the ask.
Yes, a better tutorial could help that. But the skill imbalance is not fair either, and should be addressed. I have long been in favor of rebalancing the 4v1 and the 3v1. I think that would be the way to go.
As a final point, Killers do not need to tunnel in most games. But it would be like if Survivors spawned with original BNP's and were told, "You can use this, if you want an easy game, but you probably shouldn't!" Of course, people are going to give themselves easier games. It's human nature.
That's why it's up to the Devs to fix things like this skill imbalance, while maintaining Killer agency.
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He's fine lol.
At least he takes some skill, unlike Ghoul.
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On the contrary, I find him quite engaging to play against and as. He's got a very high skill cap.
The only thing I'd change is his ability to tunnel off of death hook using Mind Break. Make it so that the Mind Break mode downs you first, then picks you up. That way, Endurance can proc.
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@ChadDustin said:
The mind flayer isn't in worldbreaker? What... that really surprises me.
IKR!
It should totally be there.
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@azaxydbd said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4051257#Comment_4051257
only if ur in a strong team is fine which shows how unhealthy this killer is, my ingame nickname isnt azaxy (in the game-Reminder), ive seen today such horrible maps that my brain went dark mode ngl. and this killer can screw up and get lucky hits. aint deserve it.
Even in a non-strong team, he's pretty manageable if he's not put in the time to know how to land hits.
I treat him like Nurse. Only really good players are gonna be consistent threats.
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Anecdotal, but I think I just played against someone named Azaxy lol
To point: I think he's fine. Strong, but he's very fun to play against, imo.
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What could be
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@TheWheelOfCheese said:
That's because people are realizing he isn't as strong as he seems. Every killer release works this way: everyone cries that the newest killer is OP, survivors adapt, turns out everyone overestimated the killer's power. And sometimes BHVR nerfs anyway, because the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
He's a pub stomper. Coordinated teams will not have a problem with him unless they are awful at juking.
Nah.
He's like a modern Nurse. Give them some time to get good with him. His chase is absurd, he has great map control, good mobility.
He's, at the VERY least, at the top of A-tier. I've seen people calling him C-tier.
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@killerjuker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4051119#Comment_4051119
its just scientifically true that PC is superior to console. the console players simply dont know what theyre missing and get romantic about it. console basically being the gateway drug to the preferable platform. like it or not, I have provided a fool proof solution to OPs dilemma, and no amount of moral grandstanding will change that. in fact, I quite like the idea that I am ushering a whole new generation of console connaisseurs through the pearly white gates of heaven, into a whole new dimension where the ordinary rules no longer apply.
Mfw when I pay $1000 for a PC equivalent of a Series X not counting peripherals.
Not everyone is rich, and money should not dictate the experience you get. Maybe if it were a graphically intense game, like BF6. Except oops, BF6 runs at a stable 60+ FPS on Series X, unlike DBD.
DBD looks like a PS3 game and runs like one too. It still has the controller settings like CoD 2.
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@killerjuker said:
There is a very simple solution: join the PC master race. The console kiddos just don't get it, until they do. And when they do, they can't not get it. You'll come around one day.
Gross gatekeeping
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He's completely fine on controller.
You can't really flick, but you shouldn't need to.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050908#Comment_4050908
its an optinon, which im entitled to. like i said, i dont scrutinise people for doing it, i dont tell them not to…just silly that they can. While they can i understand thats how it is so each to their own. is it silly that i can escape and not go back to unhook? is it silly that i am able to avoid being chased while i do gens? maybe…. but thats the game we play like it or not
Sure, but you didn't make a post to complain about those things.
When people make posts, it is generally assumed they care about the topic and want a change, especially if it's negative.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050902#Comment_4050902
glad i could impart wisdom, you learn something new every day ☺️
Of course, we should all strive to improve our understanding and capabilities.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050899#Comment_4050899
I, too, think I myself make a lot of sense.
To be fair, Others Might Be
Surprised To hear all Of the Numerous "Examples" they've provided to support their evidence over the years.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050896#Comment_4050896
not at all, i think it is silly but im aware that if people abandon thats their choice. i certainly dont tell them "dont abandon because these are my rules and if you abandon your scum" lol. if you said you think my playstyle is silly and dont agree with it, fair enough but thats as far as you can go with it…you cant tell me how to play or what to do or what not to do
So then why include it
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050888#Comment_4050888
you dont need an account to read the forums, i have been reading as guest long before i had an account.
I think i remember that person when i used to read as a guest, made a lot of sense i thought
Oh, word? It's been a long time for me; wasn't aware you could do that. Although, that does make a lot of sense now that I think about it.
Yeah, somehow, I'm not super surprised.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050889#Comment_4050889
quite opposite, i played since it first came out and i want that horror game element back which is part of the reason i play the way i do. i dont like looping, its boring. i want to evade the big scary killer that poses a threat to my life, not run in circles like scooby doo. If people want to loop, thats fine more power to them for doing what they enjoy but i enjoy stealth and doing gens….if people dont like that, thats their problem not mine. i have only offered advice to help people that hate soloq survivor and cant get any fun from it by saying what works for me and how i get fun out of the role and that outrages people lol. "how dare you not play my way". The controlling nature of some people astounds me but i still have fun and thats why i play.
Isn't this you complaining about people not playing the way you like?
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050851#Comment_4050851
well i too have great success and as long as im doing the objective i am playing the game and having fun while playing. if you have a problem with that then thats a you problem lol
Still curious what you meant by that comment regarding last year. You weren't even on the Forums, nor do I recall the specific incident you are talking about. I'd appreciate some insight.
Likewise, I'd love to get you in a game sometime. I'm sure we're in different time zones, but it'd be fun to see how effective it really is.
As an aside, you kinda talk like how I remember @Prometheus1092 talking. I just think it's kind of funny how there's so many different people who all talk differently, but we end up getting some rare cases where it matches up lol.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050840#Comment_4050840
again, another flat out lie….non participation in avoiding the objective. I have repeatedly said i do not avoid the objective, i do gens, unhook a good looper so they can buy me more time which benefits them and me so its mutually beneficial. i do hexes if i come across one. my advice to you would be to first understand what the difference is between a rat that hides in the corner not doing anything and a player that does the objective while not being seen. Then you might understand a new way of playing lol. if you cant understand basic principals like that (which im pretty sure it was you that thought people were getting banned last year for doing the objectives) that would explain why you fail to understand how the game works.
I'm sure that I fail to understand how the game works lol that must be why I find so much success.
So, you do gens, unhook, do totems, heal etc etc and are never seen. Curious. I see three options.
A) You are massively inefficient and hide from the TR.
B) You are not playing against half-decent competition, which is not necessarily on you. The game's matchmaker is utterly useless.
C) You are actually just ratting out.
Also, what are you even talking about?
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4050707#Comment_4050707
soooo i have not said they are idiots like you claimed i said. glad we got that cleared up.
Offering advice to people that struggle is pretty reasonable, you might not have any actual advice to provide but when others dont have an issue its usually a good thing to say "i dont have an issue with this thing and heres why". No one is forcing anyone to take my advice, i simply say what works for me and if people choose not to take my advice and remain playing matches they hate and get worked up over being tunneled constantly then thats their choice.
Once again, i offer advice on how to deal with these issues so the game is more enjoyable. I dont offer my advice for SWF, they have a full team with comms….my advice is for soloq which does work for me. Cant argue with that, it works for me, thats fact.
Not everyone just throws out unhelpful things like "its impossible" or "game over, nothing you can do about it", some of us here actually offer advice based on what works for us. so this is how it goes:
Survivor - "i cant deal with tunneling, its impossible to counter"
me - "i dont have an issue with tunneling because i use stealth and play selfishly which helps me avoid getting tunneled and regardless of win or lose i get a more enjoyable match"
Survivor - "dont patronize me, im not doing what you do"
me - "fair enough, you deal with it your way….which doesnt seem to be going very well"
I don't view non-participation as a valid tactic, but it does seem to be something you specialize in.
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I'd like to have a prestige version of that outfit tbh
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@ArkInk said:
I would play Vecna and Demo more if they did have this added to og maps skybox when playing as then.
Free W if you're looking for one BHVR.
Definitely a free W. Wouldn't even be that hard to implement.
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Posts on a public discussion forum.
Forbids public discussion. Hmmmm
Well, since you don't really have the power to control discussion, I think I'll comment.
He's definitely quite strong. Had a wonderful time playing last night with folks. I wouldn't call him uncounterable though. I treat him like I treat Nurse. LoS blockers, funky movement, and the knowledge that there aren't any safe areas.
Looping him isn't really a thing, and I like that. Your success against him isn't tied to RNG. He's slow, and his Undergate attack is fairly easily dodged. He can spam to a degree, but he's got to hit you at least once to put you into World breaker.
Limit world breaker. Do the clocks, and don't be stupid in that mode, no risks.
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I will test him out and report back.
I tested him a little in Customs and had basically zero issue with it, but I'll give it a little more time.
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Probably just a bad night.
If DBD affects your mental this much, you've gotta stop for your own sake.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4049872#Comment_4049872
Where did i mention bad team mates? i said people dodge lobbies because of the sound steve makes (which has been confirmed in this very thread).
"hoping people actually play the game"
Anyways, I thought it was rich that you care so much about something so silly.
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Yeah, Dustin should be short.
Still not sure how I feel about the kids being in the game, but it is what it is.
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4049852#Comment_4049852
lol not sure how thats relevant to the topic of the thread, Its about steve and the sound he makes which some people hate so much they dodge lobbies with any steve in it….Nothing to do with rats or playstyle, keep on topic please 😂
Oh my bad you mentioned bad teammates and how you could just tell in the lobby
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@runningguy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4049840#Comment_4049840
no, just hoping people actually play the game instead of lobby dodging because they cant stand the noise steve made lol.
Like people who rat and leave their teammates to die!
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@runningguy said:
Thank you BHVR, its about time. Curious if it will make a difference to the people that usually lobby dodge because there is a steve in the lobby. Hopefully less dodging and more playing.
Bro hates fun
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
Wasn't it supposed to be there?
@100PercentBPMain said:
is it not? huh. that'd go incredibly hard
I am not sure if it was supposed to be there, but it would go insanely hard.
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