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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655415#Comment_2655415
That’s not ‚my definition‘
Bubbas face underneath the mask is not the same color as it is for the other cosmetics. That is literal blackface.
Are you actually trying to argue that white people with dark/black painted faces is not racist, considering the history of blackface and the mocking of people of color in general (not only ‚blackface‘ but also ‚yellowface‘).
and I am against a singled out removal as well. I have said that several times in this thread now. Change all 4 of the survivor masks to be less offensive and more in line with Bubbas actual character (wearing clothes and such from his victims).
this would also result in these cosmetics having more value overall. Let’s be honest, no one ever would see a difference between original head cosmetic and athlete/leader face since there isn’t much difference…
@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655434#Comment_2655434
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/8BU9Y7NBYNFO/image.png
This screenshot alone is proof enough for me that it should be changed :/
His skin isn't painted black, he is missing textures on all of them. Could also be badly applied light/shaders.
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No because I don't use full meta perks, I don't BM, and I'm not going against beginner killers.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655389#Comment_2655389
When I see posts like this I think people are forgetting how discrimination was and still is a big problem.
Blackface is not just a joke. Inform yourself before making such a statement.
IMO making this an issue actually pushes away actual issues that are actually happening.
As someone who is a minority myself, I'd rather people put their time and effort to actually help minorities in real issues that we actually face instead of being offended over a video game cosmetic, that people might use to do something racist.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654756#Comment_2654756
Except we're discussing racism, not facecamping.
Go make a different thread if that's what you want to talk about.
Except someone said that a smart face bubba facecamping a black survivor is racist. Just read the thread.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654722#Comment_2654722
How is someone body blocking, blowing gens etc. as a character that happens to be LGBT in any way comparable to blackface?
Considering trolling teammates are pretty common as it stands, this comaprison is nonsensical.
And facecamping bubbas aren’t common?
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OoO was busted against trapper, hag and freddy, because it could let you know where they were placing their traps and you could see Freddy all the time while in the dream world.
Spine Chill doesn't let you know any of that.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654640#Comment_2654640
Except no-one wears the pride charm with the intention to be homophobic.
Yet (some) people do wear Smartface with the intention of being racist.
They're not really the same thing...
People don't do it, or people don't say they're doing it?
Because just because a SmartFace Bubba facecamps a claudette, doesn't mean they are doing it to be racist, unless they state so in post game chat.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654627#Comment_2654627
What does the pride charm even remotely have to do with this? I'm lost.
If racist people use Bubba's smartface cosmetic as a way to harass others, the pride charm can be used in the same way.
I'm pretty sure everyone remembers when it got added we had some people saying they were getting tunneled and camped because of the pride charm.
From what GBK is saying, people who were using Bubba's Smartface, were camping and tunneling people, and people would assume they were using that cosmetic with the intent to be racist.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654611#Comment_2654611
Or, and hear me out here, we improve the reporting system to ban these players and remove one of the enablers allowing them to be racist? :0
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654610#Comment_2654610
If you take a ban because of this topic then idk what to tell you, the only way you could really achieve that is through making a racist or insulting remark which are both clearly against forum rules lol
I'm all for a better reporting system since the current one is trash.
You're speaking it enables people, that's why earlier I brought up the pride charm as an "enabler" since it also can be used like that. Does that mean the pride charm should be removed because people can use it to be bigots? No.
People who show obvious bigotry just need to be banned.
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@Tr1nity said:
gonna have to ask what POC is.
People Of Color
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654606#Comment_2654606
idk how many times to say this but it's not about the character of bubba, please stop making it about the character of bubba
Then nothing to be changed about Bubba, if it's not about him.
Just ban the players being racist. Removing a cosmetic will not change the fact that they're racist.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654591#Comment_2654591
Saying that something that people who experience racism have defined as racist- though I appreciate not everyone will, which was my bad since comment 1 on this thread- doesn't create more racism in the world, it just allows people to deal with something that was racist all along but simply wasn't recognised as such
It isn't racist, tho.
How it would be racist:
Bubba only killing claudette and using her face because of her race.
Bubba never using claudette's face because of her race.
He sees everyone equally, he doesn't care about race. People making it a "blackface" thing, when it's not even close to the definition.
It would be "blackface" if he used it to mock claudette for her skin color. He doesn't.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654581#Comment_2654581
And when that spark comes it will be dealt with accordingly.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654580#Comment_2654580
People have been advocating against this cosmetic for a while- well over 2 years. This isn't a recent development. Who are you to say what is and isn't an issue for people?
The same way you can say this is an issue for certain people, I have the right to say this is a non-issue for other people.
Bubba wearing a mask made of skin, that happens to be black, is not blackface. It's not racism.
Saying this is racism, actually takes away from actual racism happening in the world, which already is a lot, why add even more to it?
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654566#Comment_2654566
Now IDK about you- actually I do, you won't change, so this argument is entirely pointless and is just going around in circles- but I'm more than happy to accept the definition made by multiple people about an issue that they face if it can be commonly agreed upon. In this case, a lot of POC have agreed that this is blackface/cultural appropriation, so I'm more than happy to accept their definition and support their attempts to remove something that is being used to purposefully harass them
"an issue they face", an issue that they made up sure. There was no issue in the first place.
Pretty sure there is way more POC thinking this is a non issue than what some people are making it out to be.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654553#Comment_2654553
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/9B301N8O5PF1/image.png
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/4GLN650E6FVA/image.png
The definition of things can, shockingly, change over time.
Definition of things, yes, but that change is not made by nobodies on twitter.
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@ReikoMori said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654523#Comment_2654523
That is a laughably weak strawman. I'm not even gonna entertain answering to seriously.
Like hopefully the devs don't entertain removing a cosmetic just because people on twitter have too much time on their hands and like to make big problems out of nothing.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654543#Comment_2654543
Pride charm allows representation of onesself. Blackface Bubba is blackface. His skin tone beneath the mask is literally darker than usual.
They're really not the same.
"noun: black-face
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- used to refer to the practice of wearing make-up to imitate the appearance of a black person. The use of such make-up was associated with minstrel shows in the United States from the 1830s until the mid 20th century; it is now regarded as highly offensive."
He isn't wearing makeup, he is wearing a literal face.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654523#Comment_2654523
Congratulations you've massively missed the point. Like it's genuinely impressive how far out that reach is; really hope you stretched else that'll really hurt tomorrow.
Bubba's faces isn't representation or expression of yourself, pride charm is.
You're still saying the issue is people using a cosmetic to target others. Which also could be applied to the pride charm. So no, it's not much of a stretch, it's just that it makes no sense, like saying bubba is doing "blackface" just bc he wears a random face from a random person he skinned.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654505#Comment_2654505
Going back to @ReikoMori's post, since I think they worded it really well- "I get the whole, Leatherface isn't racist argument, but it ain't about the character and people should stop making it about the character."
Stop making it about how Leatherface isn't racist for doing so, because nobody is disputing that he isn't. It's not about proving he's racist, but about taking away a tool and allowing POC to feel more comfortable in the game. If people are using it to be racist and if people are finding it uncomfortable for these reasons, especially then listen to the community and remove it. If you aren't the people who have been historically oppressed from it, then you of course won't understand why it makes people uncomfortable because you simply don't have the experience- it's like asking a lawyer for advice on a brain surgery. Both have different experiences leading to different types of knowledge which makes their opinions far more valid on certain things (as in, for legal issues I'd absolutely go to the lawyer).
So should we also remove the pride flag since homophobic people exist?
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654474#Comment_2654474
Right- apparently "yellowface" is the more Americanised term- just checked in with a friend (and yes, calling Asian people yellow is horrendously racist) and it's better to use cultural appropriation over it as it's less offensive (they're also not an expert on the subject, neither am I, however since they're iirc half-Chinese I thought they're better to ask and get opinons from rather than use my own knowledge).
Regardless of the term, though, it's something that was portrayed in media frequently and still is rarely to this day. It's far less recognised than blackface, however is still a problem, and Jake's face cosmetic is cultural appropriation like Claudette's face is blackface.
It's not cultural appropriation since Bubba isn't do it with the intent to be offensive to a culture, he literally just kills everyone and skins them.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654450#Comment_2654450
Yes, yellowface. As in, the Jake Park face. Because Bubba is still white immitating an Asian person. And yellowface does exist, as does blackface; look it up.
I'm pretty sure calling asian people yellow is considered racist? At least in Europe is quite frowned on.
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@Seraphor said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654412#Comment_2654412
My experience with SWF isn't much different to my experience with solo, other than the fact that I always run Kindred when solo. As a killer, I rarely worry about if the survivors are SWF or solo, I don't think it makes much of a difference, you can get good solo players who can still give the killer a run for their money.
As a console player, ever killer is a low tier killer, because Nurse, Blight, and most ranged killers arent viable.
You need to have a ######### ton of chill as a killer, because the game is tremendously survivor sided. There's no wonder why so many killers play sweaty. Killer is a sprint, survivor is a leisurely strole.
Game is SWF sided not survivor sided.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654435#Comment_2654435
It's about giving racists an obvious tool to be racist without it being technically bannable. If they say racist things in endgame chat, that's bannable. If they have a racist username, that's bannable. If they tunnel and facecamp the POC while wearing the blackface/yellowface cosmetic, and do it to no other survivors, then it's pretty obvious what's happening, however unless this is targeted across multiple games on the same people it isn't bannable.
And once again, a community manager has gone on record saying they're attempting negotiations for it to be removed, however it's ultimately up to the licence holders.
Anyways, that's like saying if a killer tunnels and camps someone with the LGBT flag it's phobic. Unless they state it was out of biggotry, it's only an assumption.
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@ReikoMori said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654431#Comment_2654431
Again, it isn't about the character. It is about the way a certain section of players behave towards another specific section of players. I've repeated this because you clearly didn't read what I said.
So ban those players? Racist trolls will be racist trolls, with or without a cosmetic.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654431#Comment_2654431
I get the whole, Leatherface isn't racist argument, but it ain't about the character and people should stop making it about the character.
Literally the second sentence.
Then what is it about if it's literally a cosmetic on a character in a virtual imaginary world? It's not that deep.
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@ReikoMori said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/296081/smartface-bubba-doesnt-need-to-be-removed
The players who are racist probably won't leave, but we also don't have to give them tools to be freakin' weird. I get the whole, Leatherface isn't racist argument, but it ain't about the character and people should stop making it about the character. It's about players behaving in really messed up ways towards a specific group of players. I know a lot of people who play this game don't know or care about the cultural context of why people do not want to see this cosmetic continue to be in the game. Yet, I would like people to just take a step back and consider that none of this is directed at you and that no one is actually asking you to do anything.
When us POC players complain about the cosmetic we ain't talking to you. We're talking to BHVR. If you don't agree, that's cool, but the stupid thing should be removed. To do so literally costs nothing and if people really got a problem with it just give the folks who unlocked it blood points or iri shards.
It's a murderer.... who tortures and skins all types of people.... and uses their faces.... on a imaginary world in a video game...
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@Sakurra said:
Why and who asked for cosmetics to be removed lol. What's the problem?
People on twitter who have too much time on their hands to be offended over everything did.
Nothing to see here.
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@Seraphor said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654213#Comment_2654213
I'm a pretty chill killer. I don't care about the 4K and regularly give hatch, or mess about with the survivors when it's clear theyve won.
But Boons are the biggest pain in the ass I've ever faced as a killer. It really is not 14s vs. 2s when you have a coordinated team, you can't keep them down without throwing the game, so you just have to give up and let them have their god-mode zone.
Hit and run doesn't work with CoH, so Wraith, Legion, Pig, etc. just don't work. You're forced to tunnel. (I don't like tunnelling)
Aura reading doesn't work with Shadowstep, so gone are all the fun and quirky builds like Mirror Myers, and a ton of iri add ons like Demo's Leprose Lichen and Lifeguard Whistle. Not to mention, BBQ loses all functionality, you know, the most common anti-camping perk. (I don't like camping)
These are hard counters to base killer mechanics. You can snuff them out, but you have to go out of your way and lose a chase to do so. You lose way more than the 14s it takes a survivor to bless them.
There's playing chill, and then there's being the survivors punching bag. In order to avoid that... I now have to play nasty. I have to camp and tunnel, just to get a fair number of hooks and maybe 1 or 2 kills. I can't be a chill killer any more. So I play Plague instead, and nothing else until boons get nerfed.
I have no problem with people discussing why something needs a nerf/buff, when they do it in a constructive way, basically the way you just did.
Lately you don't see that though. You see a lot of low effort threads just say "this op pls nerf", or just general pity posts where everyone brushes each others egos, like a little echo chamber. If someone has a slight different opinion, or no opinion at all they get mobbed.
One side uses the argument to "just do this or that" but as soon as the other side does the same, there is a problem.
Another issue I have with it is that people always mention "survivors" when solo q and swf are almost different roles. All the arguments I see in favor of nerfs for one side, it's either just considered for swf or for top tier killers.
Low tier killers and solos just get forgotten into existence while things keep changing and they keep getting things nerfed that are only actually overpowered on top tier killers and SWF.
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If there was no scream maybe they were running calm spirit, and when you tried to hit someone you hit the wrong one?
I went against a MYC recently and it was working fine.
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@Bullettimegod said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654356#Comment_2654356
Yea? Does it now? Im not the one crying about noed and buffing soloq and compairing it to old ds am i? Have a good day "friend"
If you read my first comment on this thread you can see I said I have no issue with noed.
A lot of people say to buff solo q, your point?
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654354#Comment_2654354
At this point I'll assume you have nothing to add to the topic and are just continuously trying to bait me/derail the topic with drama.
Good luck in your games.
I was adding to the topic with an example but apparently you didn't like the example and basically told me to shut up.
Sure thing.
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Is this on PC? i'm currently crossplay off on pc and my matches seem to take as long as crossplay on, which is not very much
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Seems like with that attitude you might also be lacking some.
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@Raccoon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654329#Comment_2654329
No one is being rude.
There are dozens of things you can bring to counter dozens of things.
This topic is about NOED, but if you want to make your own topic discussing Old or Current Spirit/Iron Will, I'll be the first one to contribute.
I'm using the spirit example to discuss noed. Your comment sure was very passive aggressive, not the first time.
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@Smuk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654213#Comment_2654213
Seems ur the only on this forum who has instant survivor queues. Hates to play soloQ cos how bad people are, doesnt want to admit that swf using voip is game breaker with upperhand.
Speed of gens is totally OK. Also boons arent OP. Honestly? Are you ash 3?
I'm not the only one who has instant survivor qs, plenty of others have said the same.
A lot of people also dont like solo q.
Yes, gen speeds are ok, maps are the problem.
Never said boons arent op.
I'm not ash3 but you sure are quite creepy by always replying to me in a rude tone....
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@Bullettimegod said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654301#Comment_2654301
Bruv. If you dont have friends and need to solo q. Thats different issue. Just go make some friends to not solo q 4head.
A totem counter would be unbalanced. "But swf has that information readily available" so go make friends. "Why do solo q have to bring perks for that info" because you dont have friends. "I have friends" okay. Ask them to play with you. "They hate this game" go make more friends then. /S
REALLY THO. a totem counter would just be way more unbalanced. It would counter hex perks even more. Which in return killers will have very little good slow down perks. Which means gens will get slammed even harder. Which also buffs the hold w and predrop pallet meta. With that being said, if survivors get a totem counter? Can killers also get said totem counter? Esp with hex: permento coming out?
The only perk that should really be baseline is kindred.
Or maybe my friends don't play this game anymore? Are you implying everyone who plays solo doesn't have friends?
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@zarr said:
My survivor queue times are usually short, killer queues usually take noticably longer for me. Depends on time of day and night too, sometimes it's reversed, but I have not had 5+ minute survivor queues in ages. SWF queues are usually a bit longer, but also only very rarely hit 5min. I would not be surprised if there are still more people playing killer than survivor at high MMR.
I would like to see evidence of people having long survivor queue times. Whenever I watch streamers it's the same for them, they have pretty fast survivor queues, in regions across the globe. Maybe survivor queue times at lower MMR are worse though.
TrU3Ta1ent (UK) solo survivor queue times: 1min10s; 16s; 1min10s; 1min; 1min45s; 2min; 1min30s; ...
ZuabtLEL (CA/NA) solo: 10s; 40s; 30s; 30s; 12s; 35s; ...
Hens333 (EU) duo: 45s; 1min; 1min20s; 1min10s; 1min30s; 1min; ...
Can you show me VODs of people actually having upwards of 5 minute survivor queue times?
It's the same for me. They're instant during the day and like 3 minutes at night, this with crossplay off, which supposedly would make them longer.
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@Raccoon said:
Weird. I thought we were discussing NOED and not Spirit.
I'd kindly ask that any whataboutism be kept at home.
It's an example, no need to be so rude about it :)
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@Bullettimegod said:
Tbh. I think noed is fine. So many counters to it. Whiny little brats are the real menace. "I got chased for 5 gens...but got downed and killed cause of noed. Nerf noed" or their favorite excuse: "noed is unfun". When i play solo surv. I bring anti totem perks. Just to make sure a killer doesnt have noed.
Hell one of my favorite combos right now are inner healing desperate measures. Always have an item. Always have a heal.
So what you're saying is that solo q needs to use perks and items to counter noed, while swf gets it for free.
It was the same thing when people complained about spirit and people just said "bring iron will".
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@TheArbiter said:
Noed doesnt need a nerf, solo q needs a buff to be on par with the information you get from swf.
100% this.
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"The killer gets 1 kill with it if theyre lucky, and its usually never me."
Ok, write your position again when it starts being you then lol.
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@TheArbiter said:
Play survivor.
In all seriousness dont take anything personally, most people forgot about their last match 10 seconds after they leave.
This is a good one.
Sometimes I get so heated about a match, but when I'm on a new one 10 seconds later I completely forget about it and have moved on.
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I've also struggled with not getting pissed off and replying back when people send me nasty messages.
I did make my comments private, since I don't care about getting "ggs" or whatever.
If you think at the end of the day those rude messages are only coming from random people on the internet that you probably wont even meet ever again, it makes them look more insignificant and meaningless.
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@Smuk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654193#Comment_2654193
Im european, and as you mentioned ur from the us,
I wonder how you can have sucha experiances how european cant speak english (with irony to murica)
I never said I'm from the US. I've stated several times I'm in the EU.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
The game is not as badly balanced as some people state it to be. Even Killer players who complain on a constant basis on the Forums will probably win more games than they lose.
This. This forum has turned into a fear mongering fest and a pity party for players who want free 4ks and free escapes every match instead of just getting better at the game.
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@Bullettimegod said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2653607#Comment_2653607
Difference between noed and ds is night and day. Noed doesnt prevent the game from moving forward. Infact you could literally stop noed from ever happening in the first place. Ds on the other hand was used as an offensive weapon in the killers face. Including doing gens right in the killer face forcing him to grab you just to stop you from doing a gen. Not to mention the free unhook you can do at hooks because of ds. The difference between them, besides one being a hex and can he removed from the game entirely before it even procs vs. One who can literally stop a killer in their tracks and be forced upon the killer. It was literally 60 seconds of "i do what i want". So yea good job on your strawman argument.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2653826#Comment_2653826
Oh dude i know. It would seem in this thread, they want everything handed to them. Even when there is tools they can bring to never get hit with noed again.
You can also literally stop DS from ever being used if you don't tunnel.
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@Smuk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2654191#Comment_2654191
Do you really have to spread your negativity on every post that is made in this forum?
How am I being negative? Maybe you're american and are used to everyone speaking english, but europe has a lot of languages, and a lot of russian players don't understand english.
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Europe servers would be hell with all the russian players who cant speak english.
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Agility. I like my stealth killers the best.
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@Tr1nity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2653849#Comment_2653849
No gonna watch that one tmmrw
It's not as bad as people claim it to be. Quentin did save that movie from being a dumpster fire though. Not bias at all.