Mane

@Green_Sliche said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3443666#Comment_3443666
Hit and run is not back because base time of healing each other is still low. Even if you distribute hits and everyone is constantly wounded that doesn't provide sufficient pressure because 2 survivors can recover each other back to full health at the same rate as before.
The biggest question here is how survivors want killers to play? For 12 hooks only? Because every other kind of play should not be possible, at least that's what the consensus is about among many survivor players.

How do Killers want survivors to play? Would you prefer if they spawned on hook? Would you prefer that Killers never had any challenge at all and they always got an ez 4K?

What would be the point of people playing Survivor if they knew they didn't have a chance of surviving?

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 31, 2023

@not_requested49 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3441933#Comment_3441933
Exponential, no mither, soul Guard, etc, if you really hate being slugged
Otherwise just accept it because its actually not as bad as being hooked unless there's 2 left (in which case you should have unbreakable ready anyway since they would not have slugged until that point)

Did you not read the part where I said

"When did tunneling, slugging and camping become a problem?" Those are strategies!

The real issue is that killers are abusing those strategies, going against those strategies every single game is boring, not fun and not encouraging to play dead by daylight anymore unless I play as killer.

Which is all well and dandy until everybody switches to killer and there are no survivors to go against.

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 30, 2023

@Dark_Alex said:
Killers should be punished for doing their job. Noted.

No killers Should be punished for Abusing the option to tunnel and camp it makes the game unplayable for survivors which in my case made me switch to killer but if everybody did that there be no survivors to go against hence no game.

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 30, 2023

@UnknownKiller said:
Title

What? Lol. I'm sorry but I actually don't understand what the topic is about :)

in 99% rooster can play vs Good SWF Comment by Mane May 30, 2023

@MvHoeller said:
Survivors should be punished for Holding-W on huge maps and not rewarded.

What?

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 30, 2023

@not_requested49 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3441753#Comment_3441753
Well it's kind of the same as don't like getting slugged? Use unbreakable
Don't like aura reading perks? Use distortion
Don't like screaming? Use calm spirit, etc

Unbreakable is only good for one self pickup, so what do you do if you're the only Survivor standing, you've used your unbreakable and the killer has no one to chase but you?

This whole discussion is just dumb when did tunneling, slugging and camping become a problem? In my opinion late 2022 early 2023, when the balancing shifted and now nobody is happy.

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 29, 2023

@Archael said:
Those threads, and its comments especially, are more and more irritating, tho silly at the same time.
First of all... why one can think that removing tunneling from the game = killer loosing matches?
Second, why counterargument for such threads is always "what about genrush"? I mean... its related, for sure, but its not the topic. Im for both - nerf genrush and remove tunneling, bith tactics are bad for game health, but if topic is about genrush, then one should not bring tunneling and vice versa.
And third - If one is talking about rewarding killers for not tunneling, it basically nullifies argument, that without tunneling killer cannot win, the sentence litterally says "reward" so some kind of help of doing killer objective - and this should be the main discussion in such threads: what reward, what in exchange, or, on the other hand, why it should not be a thing.
Otherwise we are going totally offtop.

Gens already take 90 seconds each, I already see randoms from streamers and in my own games not wanting to do gens because of how long they take.

As for killers what counts as winning? A 4k? Well only tryhards need a 4k every single game. ( Just like tryhard survivors need to escape every single game but that's besides the point )

Killers don't need to tunnel they just want to it's an option I'd be on the killer's side about this topic except killers are abusing that option, that and camping are the only two playstyles I've seen recently.

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 28, 2023

Is wanting a fun video game too much to ask for?

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 28, 2023

@MoNosEmpire said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3440770#Comment_3440770
Yes but there is definitely a clear difference between tunnelling and just losing outright everygame.
For example, you get tunnelled as a killer what do you do? put on antitunnelling perks, they help somewhat but if teammates don't do gens then it makes no difference.
As a killer all you need to do is use bubba, then you've got camping and tunnelling made even easier. Now I'm not saying bubba is too easy to use but I am saying that the effect, which is tunnelling, is too easy to implement with no repercussions.

No I agree with you, what I meant from my original post is both sides have competitive tryhards who want to win every game so losing isn't an option or just not fun for them.

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 28, 2023

@MoNosEmpire said:
As I wrote this post originally, I still stand by my main point. I understand "Meta" but I do not understand "meta" when 90% of the time a killer ignores all other routes to win and purposely decides on 1 tactic. I would understand if it was the same killer, but it's not. It's almost every killer I come against. This is not a survivor flaw, it is a flaw due to mechanical design. It feels like a frustrating punch in the stomach every time I try to get back into this game which used to be fun, now it's the same old "oh he found you first? Guess what your reward is being TUNNELLED!"
Last year I could happily play solo 95% of the time and LFG for the other 5% and I would be fine; but now it's only fun for the killer because there really is nothing you can do against one who targets and tunnels; you don't feel as though you're rewarded enough for your time as a survivor anymore, nowadays you take a massive XP hit every game due to it, constantly going against a tunnelling killer forces you to start being toxic when it comes to the perks you use which in turn fuels the hatred for toxicity within the game as a whole. Unless the survivor really is better than the killer (with SBMM nowadays that's almost never) because most survivors just run around or hide while you're being chased, it really feels like the fun is gone in this game and I really hate that I said that but it's true.
I do hope the community mods read this post and understand the frustration survivors are actually facing due to the constant tunnelling and I really hope big changes are coming.

Same

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 28, 2023

@NoHookDC said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3431181#Comment_3431181
That's because, when Survivors say 'Camping/tunneling/whatever is not fun or healthy for the game', what they mean is 'Me losing is not fun for me, so I will wrap it in BS about the health of the game to try scaring the devs into making sure I never lose.'
You will note, while Survivors scream about tunneling being 'unfun' because it 'Knocks someone out of the game quickly'; Those same Survivors will say 'Lol, skill issue' if the topic of genrushing is brought up. Because apparently losing quickly is only bad if it's Survivors losing.

The same can be true for both sides "me losing isn't fun for me"

in Killers should be punished for tunnelling and not rewarded Comment by Mane May 28, 2023

@Batusalen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3388194#Comment_3388194
You also have the option to not buy orange and red streets in Monopoly. Doesn't change the fact that those are statistically the most landed on streets and by buying them you have more possibilities to win.
Instead of complaining about people using the best strategies, learn how to counter play them (like you did against survivors as you explained in your other post). Simple as that.

You know how there are categories in this game, altruism, bold, survival, brutal, chase, sacrifice?

Those categories help determine how many points you earn in the dbd, well there are no categories specifically for slugging, camping, tunneling.