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You know your in for a bad game when
First 15 seconds killer hits survivor, 3 seconds later killer downs survivor.
lf l had a dollar for everytime this has happened in solo, l would be saying “move over bill gates, there is a new sheriff in town”. You
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@Lord_Tony said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2083526#Comment_2083526
2 player SWF is fine.
4 player SWF is overkill and very unhealthy for this game.
and considering 4 player swf is a "minority" then removing 4 SWF wouldn't really affect the game, right?
But if it’s a minority why bother?
because it’s a minority right?
Not every 4 man is a sweaty seal team 6
that’s the forum’s version of a 4 man swf.
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All l know is there seem to be a lot more rank 1 killers than there ever was.
l certainly know it’s not the skill level of the player base that has increased.
maybe it’s cross play maybe it’s the amount of potatoes in solo.
maybe it’s the new map designs (apart from the game) bloodlust is king on all the auto maps with their short loops.
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@GodLikeTerror said:
I hear it all the time how much of a tunneling piece of garbage I am or camper or whatever it is every single day from these people. They can rush gens though completely fine but if I need to put immense pressure yells no buddy that's completely wrong.
How are you putting immense pressure on gen rushing BT camping and tunneling? I’m confused
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I think you will also find
The big killer streamers have stopped using gen slow down perks
What’s that telling you?
someone tell me in the history of DBD when it was easier to play killer than right now
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I don’t think he needs a nerf
he needs a change again, the old Freddy for me albeit a little on the weaker side was so much more fun to play.
This version (for me) is boring to play and play against.
They have kinda gone from one extreme to the other.
from a weakish fun killer to a boring strong killer.
They have just gotta work out how to get it right if they even can.
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@celesteismore said:
A true tunneler will still come for you even if you ds them. They should make the stun longer or make it you can't see their scratch marks and pools of blood.
I agree
l like this version because every killer that plays without the need for tunneling will no longer get cucked by it.
but l feel it’s not going to do much against a true tunneler then timer should pause while in chase.
but then again if it’s a true tunneler they are gonna eat DS anyway and just keep coming.
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@Blueberry said:
You're tired of something that hardly exists. I can count the number of "hackers" I've seen over 5 years on one hand.
These are scenarios of intuition, guessing, or he got information from you that you didn't realize. Just because he isn't running tracking perks doesn't mean much. I don't even run a single tracking perk on most killers these days as you can gauge survivors location simply through intuition and experience.
I agree
He might have actually got you also by blind luck, I mean I cant count the amount of times a killer has found me without any sort of aura or even knowledge that I was there, sometimes dumb luck comes into play.
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@Lord_Tony said:
While it's understandable not every killer has to get 4k every game so killers are balanced around their ability to get at least 2k but at the same time we depip at 2-3 kills.
While survivors can be their absolute worst and even get killed and still pip.
you can't balance killer to only be good at getting maybe 2k to later depip us for getting 2k.
A survivor at the higher end can also depip after escaping
The emblem system is what it is.
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That’s a meme YouTube video
do you have the official transcript written by whichever survivor wrote it?
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@Northener1907 said:
Well you had to read Survivors Rulebook for Killers. Everything on it. You will see it. You had to do everything on that book. Because survivors wanna this. :)
Can you post the link to this book?
or do you have a copy?
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I don’t care
1 less survivor, lt usually means a win
on the flip side l don’t blame a survivor for hook suiciding if it’s some sweaty strider spirit proxy camping, ready for the tunnel.
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@Seraphor said:
Maybe you just suck as survivor?
Most survivors I face seem to enjoy teabagging and flicking their flashlights a helluva lot, mainly in the exit gates.
Yeah teabagging and flashlights are some of the best perks in the game ...............................
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@ilovedbd123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075228#Comment_2075228
Do you know what debating in poor faith means? It means consciously misrepresenting or debating what you know not to be true (e.g purposefully putting words in someone's mouth, or pretending to not understand fully what someones point).
There hasn't been a tournament, but we know Dbd's stance on certain things, so the rules in a competitive mode of the game will be similar to that of the normal game. Most games that are e sports are similar rules, so using that I assume they will be the same. So the chances are, they will not ban tunneling or camping. Whilst I'm not 100% certain, I'm above 75% certain.
Saying that as an argument to say that we can't infer their bans or what their stances on these, is ridiculous. Your using the argument of " we haven't had a tournament so we can't have A reasonable guess at what their rules are seeing as we know their overall stance on these things" which is wrong. Just straight up wrong.
Unless the game has a massive overhall
Ok
so what part of poor mans faith is the statement “There has never been a tournament, so we dont know the rules”
what part of this statement is not true?
lt cants be poor mans faith if it’s actually a fact right? or by your logic does poor mans faith work from 75% to 100% in an attempt to back up your argument?
l am not putting words in your mouth l simply made a statement.
l am not the one continually arguing over a statement that is fact.
you still didn’t answer how’s it a loose definition, that seems to be the way you argue, you just pick something new to argue about to deflect the fact you cant answer.
like l have been saying all along it’s ok to debate and it’s ok to speculate and discuss that’s what forums are for.
But we still don’t know the rules of a DBD tournament because there has never been one.
The fact you took offense to this statement so badly is mind boggling.
Anyway l will leave it there, l have slimy son of a ######### things to do.
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@ilovedbd123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075201#Comment_2075201
But we can base this off most other tournaments and e sports games, and we know they don't care about it.
Unless your asking if I can say with a 100% degree of accuracy (hint, if you mean this then nothing can be assumed, because your literally saying unless someone has definitive proof we cannot make points and say things will likely happen and nothing is that certain) then yes we can say this will happen.
In fact, I'd say your the one debating semantics here, not Asher, your using the loosest definitions possible to debate a point and keep following them.
You are just debating in poor faith. That's all it is. If you cannot debate In good faith, then don't debate at all. It just makes you seem like a slimy son of a #########.
Whats the loose definition?
That there hasnt been an official tournament so we dont know the rules? is that loose?
and calling someone a slimy son a ######### might also fall into the category of debating in poor faith, dont you think?
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@ilovedbd123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075109#Comment_2075109
If a organisation say they hate something, and then branch off and become well known throughout the country, do you think that those other parts of said organisation will be held with the same principles.
Behaviour devs have already said they don't care about tunneling, and will not punish it. So why do you think they will do it in a tournament setting.
"Please show me a written statement from behaviour about the rules of an official DBD tournament" is just a way of saying you have no basis for your argument, and are looking for the nichest way to discredit my point.
If they don't care about tunneling, can you give me a reason why they would ban it in a tournament but refuse to in a normal game.
I'll wait
Behaviour devs have already said they don't care about tunneling, and will not punish it. So why do you think they will do it in a tournament setting.
"Please show me a written statement from behaviour about the rules of an official DBD tournament" is just a way of saying you have no basis for your argument, and are looking for the nichest way to discredit my point.
This shows you haven't understood anything that I have written.
I have never once said they will or they wont allow anything in a tournament.
Now for the 50th time, hopefully this one sinks in
We don't know what the rules of an official DBD tournament are because there has never been one.
is this clear enough or are you going to continue to get angry and not understand what I am trying to say.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075128#Comment_2075128
So we can't discuss anything here without solid proof then?
May as well close this thread entirely.
Talk all you want you are allowed to its a forum but dont shoot people down when they make a statement that is actually based on fact.
Remember you called me out
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075118#Comment_2075118
First show me proof they are even making such a tournament. We're discussing complete hypotheticals here, why are yours the only ones allowed to exist?
Because I am not making any statements about tunneling in a tournament
go back over my posts
All I have tried to say which seems to be falling on deaf ears is
We dont know the rules of an official tournament because there hasnt been one.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2075104#Comment_2075104
They kept it the same as the rules had been while they were practicing.
They didn't make special rules for the tournament, they just kept the old set. Every single time a multiplayer game has had a tournament it has done something similar. If DbD did the same thing as literally every other multiplayer game did when creating a tournament, they would be keeping the rules as they are, not making new ones. Given a complete lack of any evidence that they wouldn't follow the lead of every game before them, it is reasonable to believe they wouldn't create special tournament only rules, and at most would use the set that exists at the time the tournament is first designed.
Why is that so hard to understand?
why is it so hard to understand?
Because its your opinion that's why. Its not a fact
like I said to the other guy show me the official set of rules written by behaviour about an official DBD tournament.
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@ilovedbd123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074862#Comment_2074862
I'm speculating using the majority of examples of e sports. Your using the minority. Most e sports use the same rules. Most. OW have done it only two times to my knowledge.
If the devs are Saying that tunneling is a viable method and they will not punish it, why would they punish it in tournaments. Your logic just doesn't follow.
And your assuming they will punish it. My assumption is based on what they have said, what are you making your baseless claim on?
I am not assuming anything or claiming anything
I am saying you dont know the rules because there hasnt been an official tournamet
Please show me a writtien statement from behaviour about the rules of an official DBD tournmant
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074862#Comment_2074862
You get that playing a different patch, and playing by completely different rules aren't the same thing, right? If one team in the OWL decided their best shot at winning was keeping the other teams' supports out of the match, and effectively tunneled them every time they could, nobody would stop the match and call foul. Yes they played with the older patch, so that the abilities of each character matched the practice each league team put in, they didn't change the rules in any fundamental way.
You are talking semantics
regular comp played on a patch that changed role que from anything to a 2-2-2 system
yet OWL didn't play on that system for a whole series therefore the rules of the game were changed.
which comes back to my point which you clearly evaded
Noone knows the rules of a DBD tournament because there hasnt been an official tournament.
Is this concept so hard to grasp?
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@ilovedbd123 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074269#Comment_2074269
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074229#Comment_2074229
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074299#Comment_2074299
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074300#Comment_2074300
You two have been repeatedly saying things on the line of "that's not a behaviour tournament" so I'm now gonna just say this. If they allow for tunneling in their game, why would it change in tournaments. All other e sports I know have the same rules in their game as well as their tournaments. So why would this be any different.
And also, the reason these aren't punished is because it's necessary at high levels of play to do these things. Otherwise it's almost impossible to win. So they won't punish what you think is scummy when it's the only way for killers to win. Killers rely on survivors making mistakes, so they need to capitalise hard on mistakes and weaknesses.
In tournaments where every survivor group will be a 4 man swf you need to allow for these sorts of things otherwise the killer cannot win, and even then it's damn hard difficult to. Whilst survivors can breeze through with down time, killers have to be constantly on it and so they have the shorter end of the Stick.
If you think these would be banned or punished in official tournaments, your wrong. In fact, I'd reckon they'd even give more incentive to tunnel as it's the only reliable way to win against good survivor's.
Like I have tried to tell the other person and now I have to try and tell you
You dont know that, you are speculating
There has never been an official tournament so how would you know what rules or stipulations there will be?
You like the person are just assuming that's what will happen.
maybe it will, maybe it wont
All other e sports I know have the same rules in their game as well as their tournaments. So why would this be any different.
This is where you are wrong
Take overwatch as an example
The OWL has played many times on a different patch from the regular season comp
They actually played the whole of last years finals on a different patch.
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2074229#Comment_2074229
The finals and semi-finals of hexy's tournament had some very high skill players in there and they all used camp, tunnel and NOED. When you're playing to win and you're playing hard you aren't going to let survivors have an easy unhook.
I’m sure they did
but they arnt official tournaments
everyone here is just speculating about rules in game that has had no official tournament.
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@[Deleted User] said:
"if they are aware these elements would get barred in actual big tournaments,"
Like the Japanese DBD tournament recently that had facecamping Bubba? or tombstone myers?
Or how about Hexy's tournament last year where most killers were doing proxy camp, tunnel and NOED.
They wouldn't be banned at all in tournaments because they are "legit strategies" whether you like it or not. In fact they can be pretty powerful when used correctly.
They arnt official tournaments
The Japanese one was a casual setup tournament
and Hexy is a steamer
Behaviour had no official involvement at all.
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If it was designed the way it is now when it first came out no one would be bitching.
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Really tips to playing Freddy?
ls the level the forum posts have fallen to?
Your build is already good enough to roll over solos with probably 4 gens remaining
equip Tinkerer and make it 5
Apologies if this response sounds rude but any build is going to do well with Freddy.
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This isn’t going to make you feel better
but this is what most killers put up with from survivors on a daily basis.
Now you are getting a taste of it and you don’t like it
perhaps think about it and have some humility next time you to go to flame a killer in end chat.
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Pretty much more thought went into his cosmetics than his abilities
Hot trash, looks good though
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Ia la lalalalalaaaaaaaaa
la la lalalalalaaaaaaaaa
l know why Freddy always kills you in your dreams
His game play puts you to sleep!
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People talk like this happens every single game
l got camped in this game, right l am going straight to forums to tell everyone it’s been the last 30 games l got camped.
same with killers
l got rolled by some sweaty seal team 6 swf last game, off to the forums l go to tell everyone, every game is a sweat squad.
where are your posts about how you looped some yellow rank killer? or how you ######### on a rainbow solo survivor team.
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@Kirkylad said:
Well I've heard it all now lol. Huntress is only OP with iri hatchets, otherwise she's one of the most balanced killers in the game.
I am not sure how you can say that
with server issues and latency
it makes her one of the most unbalanced killers for both sides.
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Oh ok
apparently l was tunneling you, even though l hooked someone else and you manage to finish a gen.
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By all means dissect away
You have 3010 under your belt, knock yourself out
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@Moundshroud said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049869#Comment_2049869
I could care less about that person. I'm not a "White Knight" as you put it; I'm not even a nice person. What I do care about, in this medium, is accuracy. This is a forum and debates are about points. While I do not care about that person, I do care about the point he/she made. You failed to refute it. You engaged in a rhetorical fallacy instead. That tells me you KNOW you couldn't refute it. That is why the behavior reflects badly on you. Instead of debating it, or conceding the point, you chose to try and undermine that person's point in an inappropriate way. To put it in a computer games term, you tried to hack (cheat). So while I don't care about the person you responded to, I do care about that. It makes me care about you; do you really want to make yourself the object of my rhetorical obsession?
So, let's get back to the statements made and the debate itself. Can you refute that person's point or not? As a reminder, that poster pointed out that the Killer's job is to prevent Survivors from escaping, i.e. kill them. He pointed out it is not the job of the Killer to help the Survivor's achieve their goals. Please answer this point or concede it.
Why would l need to concede?
What should l be conceding
l’m not arguing his point l couldn’t care less about his point
l was simply stating the IRONY of him complaining about another post about a subject then stating something that has also be said many many times
The content is irrelevant, The irony is.
The fact that you are trying to take issue with this and equate it to hacking is almost quite bizarre.
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@Moundshroud said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049703#Comment_2049703
This is a silly response, and reflects badly on you. You have no idea if that person is a so-called "Killer Main" or not. Most people here play both Killer and Survivor. Your rhetorical trick, attacking the speaker, doesn't answer the fundamental point made. It is the job of Killers to kill Survivors. It is the job of Survivors to escape. They have mutually exclusive goals, and neither of them are responsible for helping the other side. The person you attempted (poorly) to attack is 100% correct, and when you could not refute the point, you engaged in a fallacy. Please grow up.
Well thank you
l was simply pointing out the fact that he was complaining about another post about killer bad/survivor good
and the irony of him using the same expression that has been said many many times in the forums.
Just a side note, As this reflects poorly on me, who will be judging me on this?
People on the internet l don’t know?
lnstead of white knighting this person try looking at the way he spoke to OP
this reflects poorly on you as a judge of character.
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@EvanRaven said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049727#Comment_2049727
where tf am i ######### talking? stop acting like a snowflake.
i said what i said. op acts entitled on the forums, maybe you should tell them to grow up instead.
A snowflake
ok
although it would be nice if you didn’t get so precious and offended when someone else commented on you comment
you know like l commented on what you said then you got upset and told me to grow up and called me snowflake.
lol irony post no.2
you are getting good at this.
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@Harold_Shipman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049689#Comment_2049689
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about? When did I say killers have started to camp again? You've literally just started attacking me for saying I think camping is unhealthy and breeds bad behaviour and is unhealthy?
Undying + Ruin helped mitigate it and thus Killers (on the whole) were more willing to go out and hunt and create more pressure. That ended abruptly and now many Killers have simply gone back to the most straightforward tactic they know.
You miss this part did you?
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@EvanRaven said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049703#Comment_2049703
assuming i'm a killer main lmao. grow up. the post gives off the impression that OP is a low rank survivor main who blames everything on their teammates and the killer.
i speak only the truth and i'll say it again:
IT'S NOT THE KILLER'S FAULT YOU HAVE BAD TEAMMATES.
l’m not the one who came this post just ######### talk op.
maybe be more constructive next time
you know
grow up?
give a big boys response
apparently you have seen many of these posts, perhaps you could be mature and not respond.
l mean it doesn’t matter what he says you’ve seen it before right?
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@EvanRaven said:
oh boy another "killer bad survivor good" post.
killers aren't your friend. they are supposed to kill you.
it's not the killer's fault you have bad teammates.
Oh boy another jaded killer main on the forums, how rare !!
trotting out the same line that 1000’s of others have said on the forums before him.
The sheer irony of this response.
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@Harold_Shipman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049659#Comment_2049659
ngl I have no idea what you're going on about.
ngl
that’s the answer l expected when someone gets called out for making a stupid statement about why killers have “apparently STARTED to camp again”
######### killers have always camped, good killers don’t need to regardless of the perks they are running.
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@Harold_Shipman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2049575#Comment_2049575
Toward endgame. true, however, some killers will camp regardless. Tunnelling and camping should absolutely be discouraged by any means necessary. They provide a horrible experience for the receiving survivor. What happens when this survivor, who has been tunnelled and camped nonstop, becomes more proficient? They begin playing in a toxic manner, with little regard for the killers experience, and go all the way to teabag town. Then what happens to the next killer who comes against these survivors and gets bullied match after match? He breaks out the iri head huntress and goes straight to tunnel and camp.
BM breeds BM, its a downward spiral for the whole community, the antics of a few bad players end up having a chain reaction which just makes a less pleasant playing experience for everyone. Surely better to nip it in the bud and make these approaches non-viable playstyles? And yes, that includes being able to slam out all 5 generators in 5 minutes.
Total bullshit
killers have been camping since day one ruin/undying or not
just like survivors have been doing gens quickly since day one.
Do you seriously think camping killers all of a sudden went “oh l have ruin/undying, l won’t camp anymore”
Surely this is a meme
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Who wrote it?
you?
the irony
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@DBD78 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2048172#Comment_2048172
If you take away the freedom of playing how you want then the game is not fun anymore. Lot's of things is not "fun" for killers also so then survivors have to be limited in other ways also. And we all end up with a linear game that no one would like.
The difference is
sure there are many unfair things for killers in this game.
but the killer is able to play the game and there is no survivor perk or mechanic that stops the killer from playing the game.
unlike standing in front of someone who can’t move.
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So you think some boosted swf player who gets carried by their friends should have a bigger say in the game than a solo just because their rank is higher
okkkkkkkkkkk
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It’s not every game
but l would say it has increased
but so has the efficiency at doing gens
so .............
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Just equip insidious
That should sort out those ######### survivors seeing you camp!
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what’s the fair mechanic for the person crawling on the ground for 4 minutes?
l guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2041609#Comment_2041609
Change your mindset to where a survivor escaping through hatch doesn't ruin your week and act like the survivor has personally mugged you and left you homeless after having stolen your dog just for escaping, and suddenly there's no problem.
Hatch is the best possible solution now that you can close it, and have been able to for years now. Only thing that has to change is a key escape.
Why would I need to change my mind set.
l shouldn’t have to wait 4 minutes in a game once l have lost to exit it, because two other players are looking to win it.
I should be able to leave that match and let them play it out.
lf this was a random 1 in 20 game thing l wouldn’t have a problem, but at high ranks especially with rank 1 killers it’s almost a formality.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Ah yes, remove the hatch and now instead of attempting to find it the last survivor will crouch around the map for 40 minutes just to be petty, maybe attempting a few gen repairs here or there so that they don't get accused of holding the game hostage WHAT AN AMAZING SOLUTION!
Thens what’s your solution Einstein
lnstead of being a smartarse give us a sample of your genius
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@thesuicidefox said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1298480#Comment_1298480
More like "stop being a child and learn to take a loss".
The amount of people in this thread defending DC's is baffling.
I just played a game where our Chinese Dwight was doing a gen in the sky
killer dc’d
but you know by your logic he should have manned up and taken the L