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@Justalittlepeeck said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559436#Comment_1559436
I mean the villain who appears to be completely innocent and normal at first glance, but once he is tet-a-tet with his victim he reveals his true nature. +1 point for him having split personality. Legion and Ghostface fulfill that trope in one way or another.
Yeah they do but it is great advice thank you
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Watched the video, Gezus, that was creepy with Lector, and very helpful as well. Also now I have to go watch Silence of the lambs now
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@Justalittlepeeck said:
Many different things can make up a good horror
I like "Xenomorph" type of horror villain. Some unknown ######### thing that is killing humans in some closed area. Demogorgon is good fit.
I also like horror villains that looks just like normal human, but their true nature is something demonic and monstrous which they reveal only when they know there would be no witnesses left.
So like a deceiver kinda, already have a charcter like that, but I like the idea of the villian secretly deceiving you
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@OllieHellhunter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559355#Comment_1559355
Well my personal favourite Horror villian is John Kramer because he's intimidating,sympathetic,uses consistent logic. I find these all play off each other to enhance each other, his consistency in making the traps test and possibly kill while always having a way to survive I find makes him more intimidating due to how much he's calculated it so that you know there's no way out except the way he planned.
oh, well with Pyramid being a manifestation of James's fear and Pennywise knowing and using the loser's fears against them, it seems the intimidation comes from the fact that they'll be able to tailor a experience that'll prey on your own individual fears.
With something more like the Hillocker's from Wrong Turn its the fact that they treat other people just like animals to hunt, somewhat out of necessity due to lack of wildlife in the area, in a way similar to Dead by Daylight's own Huntress.
So I'd say the 2 ways to best create intimidation in the viewer,reader,etc is to either have it prey on deep fears of the characters, and/or make your audience contemplate if they would do the same if faced with those conditions.
Ah okay thanks
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@OllieHellhunter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559146#Comment_1559146
Are you saying Jason isnt sympathetic? he was (almost) drowned as a child, and is killing to avenge and fulfill his mother's wishes, who herself ultimately died trying to avenge her presumed drowned son.
No I meant was what would make them intimidating, like Pyramid head, like I know how to make people sympathize with villians
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@PissedWraithMain said:
probably persistence. in a way the killer is death, you can run and hide but it will get you eventually.
Done I tend to apply that feel commonly with my horror villians
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@SCP_FOR_DBD said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559281#Comment_1559281
Thats great! it seems like your on the right track. You could have them do any other number of things. Close off an area they were going to visit, force them to take a different route, maybe even kill off a side character (But that depends on what you want to do). The stuff you've been describing in your other comments seem pretty cool, I hope I get to read it someday.
Thanks that is what I plan to do for the many mosnters and killers to come within Pinebrook.
@APoipleTurtle said:
Personally, I think you have three main archetypes within most horror genres:
- Slasher
May have supernatural elements, but still seem mostly human in what they can and can't do (ie, they can't fly or run at supersonic speeds). Usually extremely relentless and virtually un-killable. Their big thing is suspense through atmospheric buildup. We (the audience) often know they are lurking around before or as our protagonists realize it. The tension comes from the uncertainty of if/when/where/who the killer is going to strike. These stories also have large casts of protagonists, since you need lots of supporting characters to kill off to give your slasher street cred.
Examples: Micheal Myers (Halloween) / Jason and Mama Voorhees (F13) / Leatherface (Texas Chainsaw Massacre)
- Monster (including Lovecraftian/Eldritch Horror creatures).
Strange beings with confusing and/or dark origins. Usually ridiculously overpowered until the protagonists figure out how to escape from them (or sometimes defeat them). Often come in really disturbing shapes and sizes and have unsettling movements. May have humanoid characteristics.
Examples: Pyramid Head (Silent Hill) / The Pale Man (Pan's Labyrinth) / The Gatherers (Amnesia)
- Mastermind
Highly intelligent, probably with a sadistic side or possibly suffering from sociopathy/psychopathy. May prefer to work behind the scenes, actively threaten protagonists to "toy" with them, or even pretend to be one of the good guys for a while. May or may not be very physically dangerous in addition to their intellect.
Examples: Albert Wesker (Resident Evil) / Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs) / Jigsaw (Saw)
Some characters bridge the gaps between these archetypes too.
For example, both Freddy Krueger and Ghost Face toe the line between Slasher and Mastermind. They like to mess with their victims and show pretty high intelligence compared to the more impulsive/instinctive tendencies of normal slasher villains, but are also very persistent once they've determined who they're hunting.
Meanwhile Pennywise from It is a mixture of all three archetypes. He is effectively unstoppable when racking up his kill-count and tends to appear suddenly without warning. He taunts/misleads his prey to manipulate them and their emotions. Plus he's actually some sort of godly spider-clown-shapeshifter monster who feeds on fear and children every 27 years.
More than anything though, your villain needs a distinct appearance that makes them easily identifiable.
Myers has his overalls, mask, and knife.
Freddy has his fedora, sweater, and glove.
Ghost Face has his costume and camera.
Leatherface has his faces and chainsaw.
Chucky is a doll with scars and a knife.
Pyramid Head has... well, you know, a really big... knife. I hear it's great.
You can also subvert this trope by using a relevant stand-in. For example, Jigsaw is really just a plain and sick old man. His puppet Billy is really the iconic face associated with the "Jigsaw Killer". Meanwhile he has "games" and henchman to do most of his dirtier work.
If it helps, I also dug up this article from 2016 which discusses some of the things that make horror villains more fun:
https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3413245/makes-horror-villain-interesting/
That is a lot useful information, My first monster to appear in the series is a mix between slasher and monster, and some other characters just like what your describing, oh and yes he does have a distinct look, thank you also do you mind if I copy this down for notes because this is really good, but everyone here also posted some good stuff and I'll copy those down as well, thanks for the tips
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@SCP_FOR_DBD said:
They need to be a threat. When they appear something NEEDS to happen. Have them constantly impede progress, make the reader dread seeing them. As someone working on a book himself, this is probably the best advice I can give you.
Oh I'd like to read it sometime. Yeah I've been doing just that he always comes in and tries to kill the characters in those moments, or just show his power, in a sense that makes you feel like there's nothing you can't do
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@Tactless_Ninja said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559232#Comment_1559232
Damn. I remember vomiting all over the hallway in Kindergarten because they told me to walk to the bathroom. Well I walked. But there was nothing left in my by the time I got to the bathroom.
Oof that sounds rough but yeah I got over it, but I felt like I looked stupid for asking a question that may be as simple as saying whats 1+1 for example. Although maybe not that exaggerate but that's how it felt.
@ShrimpTwiggs said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559210#Comment_1559210
I think it's fine, as long as he is able to drive the plot forward with his actions. If a character is lacking in one category, feel free to exaggerate in another. For example, Fire Lord Ozai has very little humanity whatsoever. But this is used to amp up his intimidation by giving the audience the idea that he is completely cold and ruthless.
He is just that, he has no heart, let alone love, although he very , very rarely shows empathy. He pushes the plot immensely and is in for the long run until the very end, he may not have as big of a role as he will for the first part of the series, but I have plans for him.
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@Tactless_Ninja said:
Horror makes you question your own morality in an extreme situation.
It plucks at your deepest fears and phobias.
A villain? So they're on the chaotic evil scale? A good villain in horror preys on those fears. A psycho with no remorse. Someone who does horrible things but justifies it by their own twisted morals. Someone who could easily fit into your own lifestyle but is wrong. Doesn't quite fit. And progressively less so as time goes on.
Or simply a beast. Man vs Nature has always been a good horror trope.
I actually based off one of the villains with the fact if you call for help or show signs that you are in distress he'll know where you are and hunt you down and eventually kill you. I based it off of my strange fear of embarrassment for asking for help/questions at school when I was younger.
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@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I think a few factors come into play and it depends on the kind of villain you want.
Believability: Are their motivations and actions believable?
Intimidation: Are they scary? Can the audience take them seriously?
Backstory: Does their backstory flesh them out enough?
Humanity: Do they have a personality? Are they sympathetic to a degree?
I think the most iconic villains fit this role. Darth Vader would be a good example of a villain who excels in all these categories. Keep in mind, that these aren't set in stone. If you think it's better for your story if your villain has no humanity, they don't give it to them. It depends on the villain you're looking for.
For the Fireman he is just in short an emotion brought to life, he is a manifestation of the rage, and the hatered that burns inside all of us. Although He just slunks around with his axe and just stares at people and brutally murder them. I can't tell you more but would you say that is enough, because he fits alot of those categories they are just subtle
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@Quol said:
Intimidating with a larger than life charisma. A horror villain should be one that even the viewer should think "How can they beat that."
A feeling of helplessness goes a long way and the better you can transmit that feeling to the viewer the more iconic the horror villain is.
Again thank you that was the plan for one of the many villains, he just walks around and brutally kills people without giving a damn, and the fact he can know of your pressence jsut by you feeling fear, or sad, basically emotions that make you call for help
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@LegionOfDumb said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559146#Comment_1559146
For characters like Jason or Pyramid, its presence and intimidation. They don't have to do much, but the fact they're basically unstoppable tanks, makes them intimidating to go against. For character like Freddy or Pennywise, however, it's more they're charm and charisma about what they're doing that makes them memorable. They take such joy in what they're doing and are so charismatic and fun about it, you get tricked into liking them even though they are evil monsters.
Okay thank you, thank you. I already have monsters like that, so it is relieving hear this, thank you
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@bubbabrotha said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1559146#Comment_1559146
In that case, go for hulking behemoths. Slasher villains arent usually scary looking, so try making a big dude in a mask.
Done, The Fireman stand at most 6.11 feet tall, where's a mask, and doesn't speak. So yeah
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@bubbabrotha said:
A good villain is one you can almost sympathize with. Think Joker from the newest movie. He gets hurt, mentally and physically, until you sympathize with him and forget he just killed his mom.
Thanks, but I was talking about like Pennywise, or Jason, or Pyramid Head even, but thank you though I will remember that
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1558955#Comment_1558955
nah it's just gonna be on this one single thread here, i wont keep making differnet posts. and im sorry if i clog up your notifications; if it gets annoying let me know and ill move it to my wall. but, thank you for the thread and for the support and everything.
No it its absolutely fine now that I know you'll do it one time man go crazy with it. No problem when I saw your original post I felt so, so, so bad. My heart was in pain. I just felt that I should do something to help this guy out. Because No one should go through this alone, No one. And it may not seem like much but if it means that it helps ease the pain for someone, then that means a lot more to not only me but to that someone. I hope Cheers is doing well and I hope that I was able to help.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
im sorry if i start spamming this thread btw lol; ive been crying so much and its only been 3 hours but i already miss him so much
Your okay man, your in just in pain, and we all have our ways of exerting it, the only exception/condition is that I ask you not to go overboard with it. ( Don't need another Fnaf situation lol)
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I don't think Blight is that bad of a killer, sure he needs some changes and some works here and there but I'd say hes decent. On one note I really don't see that he looks like a mish mash of other killers, the only similarity I see with him and the other killers in appearance is through the blight cosmetics. I get that another female killer would be cool, but you gotta realize there are very few licensed killers that are female that could be added to the game. Now for originals they could add some more but to be honest and no offense to the women here on this thread, but female killers just don't strike me as terrifying ( Besides Spirit). However I get what your saying and I personally think they are more focused on the game play of the new killer rather than the gender.
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@ZttII said:
Loved the movie, and I'm sure fans would love to see this in DBD but IMO it's too "kiddy". There's plenty of legitimate horror licenses BHVR could get before they turn to content like this and, to a lesser extent, FNAF.
Wouldn't say the same for fnaf but yeah I want other license before Coraline gets into the game, now I they make a sequel like Coraline 2 I will watch that 100% because it felt a lot like I was watching a Tim Burton film, the art was beautiful I want actually do kinda want Coraline In DBD now after looking at this.
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As a fan of Coraline I could see this working but again licensing from Laika would be needed, with Coraline being older of course, cool concept though but I think this belongs in Creations @MandyTalk will help
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@SCP_FOR_DBD said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1557180#Comment_1557180
I'm sorry man, we'll be here for you. Message me here if you want to talk.
Yeah we'll be here for you and I'll pray really hard for you man
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Okay so let's ignore the fact I've been crying for hours now and just pretend like I'm fine :)
I'm just here to help you man its good that you are feeling better
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1556709#Comment_1556709
hey no worries man, if you saw me irl you'd also get confused lol.
He's still alive, definitely. I talked to him today and showed him my exam results too and had a blast. We still gonna be dating until I know for sure he's dead (which, hopefully, will be never because he won't die :) ).
But, thank you for this thread once again. I'm glad to know that I've always got these forums to turn to if it gets too much.
Funny thing is that this is the first time I've gone out of my way to help some out in this community to this extent, never have I thought I would comfort someone I personally don't know
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Thank you man, this whole post means a lot. Like, a lot a lot a lot.
But I wanna say, I'm a guy :p. GoodBoyKaru. Lmao. Also, me and cheers are still dating. We agreed that we wouldn't call it off until he officially took his final breath because until then, there is always a chance of a remission and there's always a chance he's gonna keep going.
But, yeah, never being able to talk to him again, especially for the time being, it hurts a ######### ton. So, again, thank you for this post. <3
I've seen to much pain and for once I wanted to help out in this community, I wanted to comfort someone who is in a lot of pain. Also sorry about the gender thing, got confused for a bit. Again I want to help you out and be able to say that you are not alone, but its great to hear that Cheers is still here. It kinda does lift a lot of sorrow off my heart, and hopefully he will be alright.
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@teamdehn said:
Everybody wants Jason, I get it he is one of the most iconic killers from the 80's and definitely the most notable not in the game. However I have no idea what his power would be. I guess he could just walk through barriers....
And the other thing is that we already have killers who's powers matches his, so I really don't know, he could come as a legendary skin and I'd be fine, but idk if he gets into the game or not is totally okay with me
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@SCP_FOR_DBD said:
No more petitions! While I love the idea having Jason the last thing we need is another FNAF situation
I agree like I am mad the whole Springtrap thing got toxic because I really wanted him in the game, but people took it too far. Besides I don't honestly care if Jason gets into the game, as long as he's decent I'm fine
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Just a quick update: I've been working a lot on the first short story, and by golly I want a break big time from life right now, but life is giving me lemons, and I don't want to make the lemonade right now. However on a good note while I'm stranding from the first short story I am able to write up the plot of the other short stories, there is three of them in total. I am starting to see if I can find an illustrator, and a publisher so I can have a cover for the book. But things are slow going, sadly. I am just trying to get some school done and trying not to lose insanity all at the same time. But for those of you who are excited for the project thank you and I will try my very best to get it done for you all before the end of the year, this is Dabihwow and I'll see you in the fog
" Don't fear, don't weep. Or else he will come, to collect the sheep." - unknown.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Well here's a little update.
Me and cheers started dating. I love him so much and he means the world to me, and I'm so glad I got to meet him and I'm so glad I got to date him. I'm truly one of the luckiest people out there to have gotten this chance.
But today, at around midday, is when he's going to give up his phone and lose contact with the Internet. So, I wanna just tell everyone that he's seen everything that was posted here and I'm so so so so thankful for everyone's kind works.
There's always hope for a remission, and that's exactly what I'm holding on for.
Everyone who changed their profile picture, thank you so much. It means so much to me.
And finally one last thank you to @Cheers for being the best boyfriend I could ever ask for. You're so ######### amazing. Xxx
Goodbye @Cheers, goodbye old friend
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@Rizzo said:
Please keep the discussion civil and respectful, no need to attack one another over a different opinion.
Thank you! OMG Thank You!
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Okay I understand that you want Springtrap in DBD, I do too. however that doesn't mean you should act like how you are acting, you know for once I wish i met someone who wasn't toxic about the whole situation, and showed maturity for once, just once Please, if they don't like the idea of him in dbd, jsut take the hits, take the bullets. Don't go acting on the defense about it cause someone said ######### about the idea
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@Cornpopers_Evan said:
We have so little time in this world and a lot of us come to regret so many of our choices that we make to the point we begin to hate ourselves and everything, everyone around us. So when I see stuff like this when someone is at the end but refuses to give up on their own happiness and can STILL find a way to bring the same happiness to others, warms my heart. You we're and still are one of our best @Cheers, I hope everything works out for you and the biggest and best wishes to you and everyone else associated with you!
I mean we all messed up sometimes not even I can get past my mistakes because I made so many, at times I break down into grief and sorrow that I can't even work on my writing projects anymore. I've seen so much death, and this and that about and yet at times I don't feel pity, or sorrow, but no joy either. Its just I've seen way too much for someone my age ( In which I'll be perfectly honest, I'm not that old) but this is just sad to see someone who's helped out a lot of us go. Again I'm amazed someone is able to leave with a smile on their face, reminds me of my Grandpa when I went to his funeral. It brought me slight comfort to know he died a happy man. Again @Cheers I pray for you that you find peace in the end. It may not seem like it but you have affected a lot of us in a positive way.
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@Human said:
The circle that monocle gives isn't accurate at all. It can be aiming at a wall 10 meters away from you but you will bump into a tree on your way. It's not really helpful
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1552637#Comment_1552637
It is kinda for those trying to learn how to manuever around but I see what your mean
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@GeordieKiller said:
So disappointed in him his perks are awesome and looks good the killer himself just a facepalm i have to bump into something to be lethal?! bet that looks scary for the survivors (FYI asked some survivors in the ptb and they just found him funny seeing him run into stuff)
they could of done something more but instead we get this i cant find a single postive with his power you cant loop you cant chase as you have the stun to deal with he just bad on all boards even map pressure is meh at best you cant even go up stairs!! serisouly PH cant use his wave on stairs and now we got a killer that cant run up stairs?!
overall only reason to get him is the perks and thats it which a few people mentioned is not a good thing at all.
already submitted my ptb survey about it but on a postive note new graphics look good.
Yeah and hes confusing as hell, One thing I would like is the monocle addon to be base kit, it would really make the game play of the character less confusing and allow those who are just trying him out not as constrictive. Plus I don't think he should hit into something to be lethal overall hes not as fun as oni, like Blights fun to run around with but very punishing at the same time.
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Also the gamew says hes tall BS
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@EntitledMyersMain said:
what's his power?
Well he charges at you and hits you with his weapon a billy and demo combo, except you have to hit objects for him to continue, kinda like a pin ball.
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Can't be worse then Pyramid Heads cause those sucked
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Ay would you look at that, Hex: blood favor is alot like one of my fan made killer perk, I guess they did look at my fan made concept thx Bhvr
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@Pior_Morte said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1548214#Comment_1548214
Ok boomer👍️ (That's also a joke)
I know
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@Fiv55 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1548194#Comment_1548194
/woosh refers to: you did not get the joke/point
New PTB isnt even out yet and he made the "joke" to basicly describe clown
AH I'm sorry I don't understand some of the references or jokes on some media at times my bad
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@OllieHellhunter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1548184#Comment_1548184
I think hes both poking fun at the thread saying that the new killer wont have any counterplay before its announced, while simultaneously showing that from what we've been shown of the new killer with the teaser he could very well be a clown clone.
In a way it doesn't feel like it, but yeah I figured this thread was bait kinda
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Is the ptb out or what?
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@Pior_Morte said:
As we could see in the teaser he will probably throw bottles to intoxicate survivor and make them cough? (and make them slow?) like #########, that is too powerful, he will have no counterplay whatsoever, nerf it, also, make him 105% movement speed or else he will have too much map pressure! plz BHVR you already launched a lot of strong killers, don't make this new killer as frustating to play aggaist as PH who can literrally attack. BTW i'm not a surv main i'm rank 15 with killer and honestly think this game is way unbalanced to the killer side.
Are you referring to clown? Because Thats what clown does, we literally don't know what the new killer does
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Rest in peace man you were a big influence to a lot of us, even me. I will see you when god comes down take us all to a happier place. Just remember you are loved
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Otz, Tru3ta1ent, for they bring up a lot of good points about the game play of the game. Also Die hard Diva due to the fact she is very cheerful about the game even with its many flaws, plus she's funny at times
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@OtakuBurrito said:
tHeRe aRe nO hAckErs oN tHe GamE~
this is legit the THIRD time someone in my friend group has one into the ONE dude and we have all 4x reported him and NOTHING has happened. like damn, what's the point in playing a game if killers stay doing this. like ive run into speed hackers, pigs with myers powers, and ghostface throwing huntress hatchets and NOTHING happens when we report so tell me again why do survivors play this game?
idc if i died. idc if the killer 4ks. i cant stand it when the game is in favor of killers because its asymmetrical, 1 perks counters 4, dedicated hits, and not lobby times are instant and killers STILL have to nerve to cheat in this volume. i have seen SO many chieaters in the past 30 days than in the past 3 months. like seriously. EAC is a WHOLE joke.
i thought the blue flashing light hack was going to make me quit but no. it was this. so gj dbd. you did it. you did such a good job so far.
like seriously. this is ridiculous. someone please justify this. please call me an entitled survivor for hating having to deal with CONSTANT cheaters. im dead ass about to start streaming just to record all the cheaters. seriously.
Well if is caught on tape more than likely Bhvr Will work on that
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@Gravewalker200 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1546454#Comment_1546454
that is a good guess and mine as well
We'll find out tomorrow for ptb I think is being released
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I think PTB is coming out tomorrow
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GIMMEH, Give it to me PLS, Allow Light sabers into game DEVS PLEASE! ( Srry being silly)
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Yeah I sometimes play with Swf just to have a laugh at how terrible we are at the game lol. Or help me with some very ridiculously hard archive challenges, like the one wear you ahd to open hatch with key two times from Tome 2.
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@Carlosylu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1545756#Comment_1545756
Why are you feeling down Dabihwow?
Oh its Monday and its been rough, as a writer at times you wonder is your work any good, or is it gonna sell, you know those kinda vibes, don't worry though I'm feeling a bit better than before. Besides its not that deep, but thank you for asking