Coffeecrashing

Wake up and Sole survivor should get nerfed, for the same reason Distortion got nerfed… because they encourage survivors to never interact with the killer. Pretty much every survivor that I've ever seen use Wake up and Sole survivor together, just wait for their teammates to die, so they can try to get a free escape when they are the last survivor alive. BHVR should not be encouraging survivors to commit to anti-teamwork strategies, before a game has even started, where a survivor purposely wants the other survivors to lose, so they can use their perks to escape as the last survivor.

in Why is Wake Up getting changed?? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 23, 2024

@Toystory3Monkey said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3825093#Comment_3825093
yeah, would be nice to get hook counter for killers too. it's disingenuous to have UI designed specifically to deny killer crucial information to force them into playing nice. People who play to tunnel can focus and never lose track of a single person's hook stages, while good faith players must track hooks in order not to get screwed by bad target pick in the mid game.

Hook counters aren't really a big deal, because we can easily track that stuff with a pen and paper next to our mouse.

I'm talking about HUD improvements, like allowing killers to see the same killer power progress that the survivors see. If a survivor sees an infection meter on their HUD, the killer should see it too.

The same goes for status effects. If a survivor is afflicted with a status effect like oblivious, then let the killer see that too.

You know, give killers additional information that they don't have access to now.

in New Roadmap Comment by Coffeecrashing October 23, 2024

@Ohyakno said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3825329#Comment_3825329
It doesn't stack.
I think vigil is an underrated perk anyway. Dunno why it needs a buff.

in please dont give Vigil and Scene partner the Pharmacy treatment Comment by Coffeecrashing October 22, 2024

@Rokku_Rorru said:
Hi,

These perks are fine as is and are some of my favourite perks in DBD, Vigil helps against debuff builds and is very useful, if you are going to change it at least let it keep the original effect, same with scene partner.

Please do not ruin what unique utility these perks bring!!!

Vigil is a problem in bully squads, when multiple survivors are running Vigil at the same time.

in please dont give Vigil and Scene partner the Pharmacy treatment Comment by Coffeecrashing October 22, 2024

I hope Activity HUD Improvements involves the killer HUD too…

in New Roadmap Comment by Coffeecrashing October 22, 2024

I hope Myers gets the instant kill addons deleted from the game. They are the most unfair addons in the entire game, and it’s not fair that Pig and Sadako got so many changes and nerfs to their alternate kills, but Myers can still alternate kill way way easier than Pig or Sadako can.

in New Roadmap Comment by Coffeecrashing October 22, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3824329#Comment_3824329
I'll chalk that up as an oversight, rather than being deliberate… however considering these stats were posted 15th Feburary 2024, covering the months of January 13th - February 12th 2024, and Trickster's rework being November 28th 2023, with further updates 13th December 2023 (which were mostly buffs), that is not at all a fair comparison of Trickster's play rate, and to claim it is would be rather disingenuous igven his rework was new and after the Christmas break.
His rework was still new at that point in time with people still exploring and figuring him out. Also the stats are rounded so not really a good comparison. 3% could be 2.5% and would barely uptick over his normal play rate. That's hardly a resounding success of a rework.
To try and be more fair, in the 2022 stats he was 17/29, which basically puts him in the bottom 42% of killers.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/350586/stats-kill-rate-by-killer-and-mmr-september-2022
Taking Nightlight for his modern pickrate, he is 2.11%, placing him at 24/37 in the killer list.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/DJF85QZACNVG/image.png
That puts him in on the edge of the bottom 2/3 of killers, at 35%. Now I could say that his pick rate is lower and his overall position in the roster is lower, therefore he is worse… but that would disingenuous because there are 8 more killers to pick from added, and the landscape of the game is very different since then. The reality is his pickrate hasn't really changed much positively or negatively.
So yes him being worse since his rework is not true…. but also your point of "he is more popular since his reworks" is also not true. He wasn't popular to begin with, and still isn't popular now.
At the end of the day, my point stands. Trickster is spammy and boring, and as such he is not a popular killer, and won't be whilstsoever he remains as he is. His kill rate is bad, but he cannot be meaningfully buffed because his relative skill is low, and to buff him would make him brain dead, so this is where he sits.
If you like that, fine, but the arguments posed by the Trickster mains who preferred accurate knives over spam, and want rewards for being accurate and deliberate with their knives are more compelling to me personally. So we'll have to agree to disagree.

It’s not an oversight. Patch 7.4.0 was the major change patch, and patch 7.4.2 was very minor in comparison.

Also, when working with third party data, you need to show a data trend over time. You can’t just give us one data point, because you didn’t prove whether or not there is a data offset between the official data and the third party data.

Also, I don’t agree to disagree, because that is admitting both viewpoints might be valid. They aren’t. There was a small group of people claiming their opinions were more important than other people because of the number of hours they played, and they claimed they understood Trickster better than other people because of the number of hours they played, and they gave us a false story about a Trickster consensus. None of that is compelling.

In reality, dedication and devotion don’t have a good correlation to how well a person understands Trickster. And the number of hours played doesn’t have a good correlation to a player’s skill with Trickster. In fact, Trickster might be the best thing that has ever happened in a person’s life, and that still wouldn’t have a good correlation to how well that person understands Trickster.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 21, 2024

@BurnedTerrormisu said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3824385#Comment_3824385
you can check the evidence by yourself on nightlight.gg. The numbers are off by over 5% for most killers.
if you dont trust or like nightlight.gg, like i do, you might ask BHVR to give out the official numbers, like i did.

Does the third party website show the kill rates have changed a lot this year, or are you only checking the current stats?

Because although you might be able to argue there is a correlation between the official stats and the third party stats, you need to track if there are any offsets when comparing the data. For example, the third party kill rates might consistently be 3% lower than the official stats.

TD;LR when using third party data, you need to track the kill rate trend over time, instead of just looking at the current data.

in Why are there no more killrate updates? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 21, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3824031#Comment_3824031
Trickster's identity is rapid fire gameplay, and BHVR literally said this to us
You hang on this point a lot, and OK, sure, but that does mean he can't ever get any meaningful buffs to make him strong or give him skill expression, cause his power is very forgiving and easy to use unless survivors play perfectly. That is the trade off every time for every killer. Low skill requirement means low skill ceiling.
If him just spamming knives and getting hits/downs through sheer attrition/brute force is the desired gameplay, he must always be weak because his power is woeful uninteractive. If you make him stronger with his knives, then he becomes oppressive, getting too much value for too little effort, i.e. the Skull Merchant problem.
This is basically the point about rewarding him for skillful and deliberate use of his power. Spraying Survivors down is kinda boring, that's why Trickster is unpopular. It's not like Huntress where dodging an axe is a rewarding mind game to play around for both sides, Trickster has no need for accuracy or dodging cause he just spams.
Sure 4.4 might not be the way to go, fair enough. The combo system I've mentioned could work perfectly fine with a Main Event that needs to be charged up through accurate use of knives, especially given he is a 4.6 killer now that can fall back on normal m1 gameplay if needed. A smart Trickster can hold his Main Event to pop it when they need it. That's a valid argument for 4.6.
However I don't think dying on the hill of "he's supposed to spam, so don't take away his ability to spam his ult, as this helps low accuracy players get downs consistently" is particularly helpful...
It is a direction... it doesn't mean it's a good one.

Tricksters knives are purposely designed for rapid fire gameplay. That’s why the hitbox is so small, it’s why the travel speed is so slow when considering the hitbox size, and why he throws knives from two different locations. This is also specifically done so that the knives are a battle of attrition, where the survivors are trying to dodge as many knives as possible, and try to time out the laceration meter.

Trickster’s knives are unreliable at mid range, even if the player has infinite skill in the game. Trickster’s knives would need to be redesigned if players are expected to have a higher accuracy requirement than current Trickster.

Also, we were given the above stats earlier this year, and Trickster’s pick rate was fine. The whole argument that “Trickster is unpopular to play as because people don’t like his rework”, is completely false. In fact, his pick rate went up with the rework, because he was easier to learn and use.

Every time I played pre-rework Trickster, I would think “Huntress would have gotten a hit there”, and “Huntress could have hit the survivor there”, and “Huntress could have gotten a hit there too”. Because when you have two killers that are supposed to carefully aim projectiles that work similarly.. and one of these killers has a projectile that only needs to hit once, has a much bigger hitbox, and is way more reliable to hit with, then what is the point of playing the weaker character? There wasn’t a point of playing pre-rework Trickster, and there wouldn’t be a point in playing any new version of Trickster that requires carefully aimed shots, because people would literally just be better off playing Huntress instead because she does that better.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 21, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823976#Comment_3823976
But doesn't the fact there isn't a consensus and the fact he's still not popular mean a shake up of his power is still warranted? The fact he is so divisive surely means more ideas and thoughts should be expressed/explored, should it not?
So why exactly are you so adamant to shoot a Trickster revert and/or a bonus for accurate knives down?

No. The majority of people think he's more fun to play as 4.6. There are millions of people in this world, and a small percentage of them that think he's more fun to play as 4.4, isn't enough to consider moving him back to 4.4. And again, there's not giant divisive thing here. It was just a few people that were loudly complaining about the rework over and over.

I'm adamant about rejecting anything that lowers Trickster's movement speed, or anything that raises the number of knives for a main event. Trickster's identity is rapid fire gameplay, and BHVR literally said this to us. And I'm still haven't seen an "accurate knives down" that isn't an overall nerf to the character.

…….You know what would be a real accurate knives bonus, that wasn't an overall nerf? Keep Trickster the same, except if Trickster gets 6 consecutive knives hit on the same survivor, then it takes off a health state. That way, people have an "accurate knife bonus" that brings him closer to the pre-rework, without nerfing current Trickster. Or have a new additional mechanic called "Trick Event", where if Trickster gets 6 consecutive knife hits, he can press a button to unlock basekit Trick Blades for 5 seconds.

And these new things can be added to current Trickster, without nerfing him, because the slow/accurate gameplay isn't optimal, and it wastes time, so it's fine to reward people that really want to have slow/accurate gameplay, because it's really just compensating Trickster players for purposely using sub-optimal gameplay.

But, above all, we really need to think of the average MMR killer, that isn't going to play perfectly, and will miss a lot more knives than an expert player would, because they need to have a character that's still good at their skill level. 4.6 Trickster with 8 knife main events, is the best scenario for the average MMR killer, and the revert suggestions I've seen other people make are really just going to hurt the average MMR killer.

Note: (And if the "6 consecutive knife hits" thing is too overtuned at close range, then add a minimum range requirement… Or a "minimum range requirement unless it's a special shot like through a hole in the environment".)

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 21, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823761#Comment_3823761
The base duration of main event is fine, so it’s not very punishing if Trickster isn’t granted extra duration via the combo system. //...// Furthermore, there are addons that increase main duration time, so players could just use those if they felt they weren’t hitting the combo meter bonuses often enough.
But let me ask you this... if succeeding or failing at the combo system doesn't make much difference... is there even a point in having it? Why does it exist if its entirely superfluous whether it is successfully used or not? If it really does nothing of significantly value, just remove it from his kit entirely.
But a lot of the suggested combo systems involve delaying main event if knives are missed, which is extremely more punishing than being denied extra main event duration. //...//
And no, it would absolutely not be more engaging to have less main events, since that is the only time Trickster has any base kit ability to deal with 2v1 situations, like a survivor that is trying to body block the person Trickster wants to chase.
I don't believe the suggestion I shared does that. The suggestion I shared soesnt delay hia Main Event for missing Knives, it gives him significant bonuses if he does land combos. Trickster has a larger number of knives to charge his Main Event in this setup, but in exchange has a more powerful power for when he does get it, and he gets additional stats bonuses to make it count more often. He's also now a 4.6 killer, so it's entirely within his control to stack to 23 knives for his combo bonuses, then catch a survivor with his 4.6 m1 and have Main Event ready to pop on the next survivor, similar to how Myers does now with EW3. It doesn't seem to be something infeasible to use effectively.
Most Trickster suggestions I've seen generally have been split by 4.6 = 8 knives, 4.4 = 6 knives.
Main Event is also the only time where Trickster can try to hit survivors at mid range, without needing to worry about knife consumption, because the knives are so unreliable at mid range that it’s understood that Trickster would be missing a lot of the knives. At mid range, Trickster has to spam knives because the knives aren’t reliable at that range, even if the player had infinite skill in the game.
The reason I'm not on board with what you're saying, is the original Trickster playerbase managed to be accurate with knives, and that was even with the recoil AND him being a 4.4m/s killer and having a harder time positioning. It's often cited from reading what former Trickster mains have said that the secret to Trickster was understanding when to pull up your knives to allow you to be accurate, more than aiming them super accurately at distance, which a number of them proved with doing it on console. This can only be easier to do now Trickster is a 4.6 killer, and had to be tempered by the need to land 8 shots instead of 6 as described above.
There have been/are add-ons that focus on you being accurate to recover your knives for successful hits or giving you haste for consecutive hits... it's seems like it's not something that's as impossible as you say, just it seems to me to require a different mentality...
To me it sounds like you prefer the spammy playstyle, which is fine, but the original Trickster playerbase does not, and Trickster isn't any more popular than he was before, so we're basically deciding which set of players to be catered to.
To play Devils Advocate, its quite evident you didn't like old Trickster, and you like new Trickster. That's fine, but how you feel about Trickster being potentially reverted is how his original fans felt when he became what he is now... so why is your claim to what he should be more valid than theirs?
Especially considering he is no more popular than he was before, and a number of them put in far more time to original Trickster than it would be possible for you to do on modern Trickster given the time frames involved...

There's no "original Trickster playerbase" consensus. It's not real. It's not a thing. BHVR's recent Trickster feedback Reddit post proved this, and the comments are there for everyone to see.

This entire time, it was just a few people claiming there was a consensus. But it's not real.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 20, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823600#Comment_3823600
Fair point, him having his own identity is not something I disagree with.
Though to be fair, you seem pretty quick to denounce the proposed combo system, but are also happy with the current combo system?:
Combo Bonuses:
E Combo: +0.5 seconds
D Combo: +1 second
C Combo: +1.5 seconds
B Combo: +2 seconds
A Combo: +2.5 seconds
S Combo: +3 seconds
Combo Thresholds:
This refers to on how many consecutive Blade Hits are needed to reach each Combo Rank.
E Combo: 2 Blades
D Combo: 3 Blades
C Combo: 4 Blades
B Combo: 5 Blades
A Combo: 6 Blades
S Combo: 8 Blades
The current combo system is worse is it not? You're punished with a shorter duration on Main Event if you don't land consecutive hits, and there is no buffer for missed hits on this either, so isn't this worse? Of course the reality is the extra duration often doesn't help you anyway unless you're in a dead zone or camping a hook... so isn't this current combo system rather unhealthy?
This seems to hint that having to land consecutive rapid fire hits is meant to be a part of Trickster's identity already... except the Main Event is primarily just an ammo saving tool right now that you use to spam to save your ammo cause it's so spammabale.
Like even if you dont revert Trickster, would it be more engaging to take longer to get Main Event, but he becomes a Plague level wrecking machine when he gets it?
I would also imagine with his 4.6 speed being able to position to keep scoring hits consistent hits for a Combo wouldn't be too hard compared to old Trickster.
Also regardless the combo needs to be displayed on his HUD better.

The base duration of main event is fine, so it’s not very punishing if Trickster isn’t granted extra duration via the combo system. But a lot of the suggested combo systems involve delaying main event if knives are missed, which is extremely more punishing than being denied extra main event duration. Furthermore, there are addons that increase main duration time, so players could just use those if they felt they weren’t hitting the combo meter bonuses often enough.

And no, it would absolutely not be more engaging to have less main events, since that is the only time Trickster has any base kit ability to deal with 2v1 situations, like a survivor that is trying to body block the person Trickster wants to chase.

Main Event is also the only time where Trickster can try to hit survivors at mid range, without needing to worry about knife consumption, because the knives are so unreliable at mid range that it’s understood that Trickster would be missing a lot of the knives. At mid range, Trickster has to spam knives because the knives aren’t reliable at that range, even if the player had infinite skill in the game.

Big combos in mid range, just don’t work, and punishing Trickster for missing knives just makes him unnecessary weak at mid range. And if a ranged character is only really good at close range, then what’s the point for him being a ranged character? Trickster needs mid range options, and currently frequent main events is it… And the giant pattern of all these suggested new combo systems, is that Trickster would be garbage at mid range.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 20, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823452#Comment_3823452
Sure. Personally I consider just pulling up knives and spamming survivors to death kinda boring myself, regardless of whether you succeed or fail. I've not really seen a huge influx of Trickster since the rework... and lot of his original fanbase has kinda drifted off as well... I'd say he functional, but he's kinda dull.
I just thought the combo meter, building to an empowered mode with some awesome music playing based on his combo scores was a cool idea that added some interesting things that would make him a little more fun and engaging to play. A bit like how Legion is fun to play with all the different tunes they play with the various tapes.
Would have preferred it if there were elements of it that might be worth considered for discussion, but I guess not. 😒

BHVR could add music to Trickster's current combo mode, without reworking how the combo system works.

But unless BHVR wants to completely rework how knives work, to allow them to be guarantee hits at mid range if they are aimed perfectly, then it would be terrible to punish killers for missing hits. Because as the knives are now, they aren't reliable at mid range, and it's not a "maybe I could make it work if I practiced more" or "maybe I could make it work if I had more skill", it's literally "this doesn't work even if the Trickster player was magically granted infinite skill in the game.

Also, Trickster had zero identity when he was a 4.4 killer that is supposed to careful aim knives, because Huntress does that better. The entire point of making Trickster 4.6, and giving him much more frequent main events, was to give Trickster his own identity as a rapid fire killer. And current Trickster is the only rapid fire killer in the game, and reverting him would completely remove that playstyle from the game.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 20, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823361#Comment_3823361
It isn't 100% accurate, its afforded a miss between each stack, so as long as you land every other knife, you keep building a combo.
Let's not forget, that this is buff over old Trickster where his Main Event is more common at 24 knives, and if you only hit 3 knives in 6 in my version and you're still getting a small bonus.
Though I must admit, I personally feel like it's a little too harsh at 2 stacks, but I'm not a Trickster Main. Personally I'd drop the combo every 3rd missed knife, but I dunno how often realistically a Trickster main would be reaching S combo or not. I'd possibly even have a combo ender when laceration begins. This makes camping hooks a less effective method, as if just one of the survivors eats a knife, to block a hit, the combo is gonna be ended prematurely. This adds counterplay for Survivors more than just run between walls.
The problem and discussion around Trickster is he has never been engaging to face as a survivor. If you dodge a knife or win a mind game, so what? There's another knife coming immediately behind it. You just run from him trying to keep walls between you and him, and survive as long as possible, never playing tiles or trying to bait a shot.
This combo system adds a layer of value to dodging hits, since just spamming a survivor down doesn't play into building your Main Event.
All that said, even if you scrap the combo system, or purely make it an aesthetic thing, having Main Event pop and you become something a little like Plague where you're a monster with a unique TR/glow for a brief time that who wants to go out and make use of it while you have it would be really cool. Something like.
Main Event charged duration is 30s.
Main Event charged grants 10% haste for the duration.
Main Event charged duration pauses while carrying a survivor.
Main Event charged grants Killer Instinct for 6s on any survivor that hears the TR for the first time. Maybe pauses the decay for 6s.
The idea has some interesting options to explore for old Trickster.

The problem and discussion of Trickster is that a few people were spamming posts, claiming there was a Trickster consensus, and the Trickster consensus agreed pre-rework Trickster was better. They were also repeatedly telling us how many hours they’ve played the game, or how dedicated they are to this killer, as if that makes them an authority figure.

Do you remember BHVR repeatedly telling us that played time doesn't have correlation to skill, which is why grades aren't an accurate measurement of skill? When someone tell us they've played a lot of hours in a character, that isn't an indicator of skill, and it doesn't mean they understand that character better than other people.

And no, giving us a margin of error for the combo meter doesn’t work either. Trickster should never be punished for missing knives because his identity is supposed to be rapid fire gameplay, and asking people to slowly aim every shot completely goes against his identity. The current Trickster already has a combo meter that rewards consecutive shots, and that is perfectly as far as a combo meter should go.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 20, 2024

@UndeddJester said:
With the revert, I rather liked Revvium's ideas for Trickster, especially the combo system.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/410064/regarding-the-future-of-the-trickster
Revvium is (or at least appears to be) a highly skilled player though, so the combo system is quite reserved and focuses various Trickshots to be able to tap into his power, and a number of cool features... you can read in full if you're interested, and I recommend it cause it's good (the only questionable part the laceration decay).
However for a streamlined version, the highlight for me was the combo system, a bit like the Devil May Cry combo multipliers. When Main Event is charged have Trickster glow, like Plague or Oni does with their power, and and have more ramped up audio to his Terror Radius based on his current best combo.
This is the stripped down version lot of the more intricate ideas stripped out to get the idea across and to keep it simple to understand. Basically old Trickster, but: -
Main Event requires 24 knives to charge.
Main Event remains charged for 20s.
Main Event has a base duration of 6 seconds.
Combo system - Whenever the Trickster misses 2 knives consecutively he breaks his combo chain.
Combo system - Unbroken chains grant ratings for from D(4) - C(6) - B(10) - A(14) - S(16)
Combo system - While Main Event is charged/active, each rating grants an incremental +2% haste +2% action speed increase. Extra bounce and faster throw speed for A and S ranks.
This gives Trickster a unique flavour to play, encourages going for accurate knifes rather than unga bunga spamming, and it actually makes juking knives for survivors worthwhile to deny his combo power ramp up. What's really nice is getting a charged main event also serves to help Trickster traverse the map, even if you don't get to use Main Event it still helps you get back in chase....
With that in mind, I would personally stick with Main Event charged duration at 30s, and might also recommend a pause on the activation window during pick up.
Maybe even Killer Instinct for 5 seconds the first time each survivor hears his Main Event TR for the first time. I'd also consider dropping the knife combos to D(3) - C(6) - B(9) - A(12) - S(15), just so console/newer players can feasibly reach A rank more often.
However this combo system to encourage accuracy seems a very good direction to me.

That entire idea doesn't work, because 100% accuracy with Trickster's knives isn't a skill based task, because that's not how his power works. Trickster's knives have a very small hitbox, and their travel speed is so slow, that even if BHVR programmed an aimbot that aimed every knife perfectly, Trickster still wouldn't get 100% accuracy against a survivor that knows how to dodge the knives, if the survivor isn't in close range.

Trickster isn't even supposed to try for 100% accuracy if the survivor farther than close range, and instead is supposed to repeatedly turn his camera left/right, to throw the knives in a small spread, similar to what Plague does with her puke when the survivors aren't close to her….. And that is a good comparison. Asking for 100% accuracy with Trickster, would be like asking for 100% accuracy with Plague's puke. Even with infinite skill, it's not a realistic goal.

Also, because of the recent Reddit Trickster feedback post, we now have proof that there never was a Trickster consensus, and that way more people think he's more fun to play as, when he's 4.6.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 20, 2024

@Langweilig said:
Recently the devs asked, what our opinions of reverting him are and the only real complaint was “We want 4.6m/s, 4.4m/s is too weak/slow”. Most people agreed and like, that his power would get reverted.
I personally think 4.4 is fine, but his main event should not require 30knives, it should be 20-24knives.
Trying this might open up, having more killers with different movement-speeds, which I find a cool and interesting concept.

No. BHVR asked players to give their opinion on whether or not current Trickster is more fun to play as, because a few people were claiming there was a giant consensus that pre-rework Trickster was more fun to play as, and BHVR wanted to check if this consensus was actually true.

And if you check the comments on that Reddit post, you can notice that the number of people saying that 4.6 Trickster was more fun to play as, is way higher than the number of people saying that 4.4 Trickster was more fun to play as. This means there never was a Trickster consensus. You can even see Reddit comments where other Trickster mains are clearly saying they want Trickster to stay at 4.6.

in What do you think of reverted trickster with 4.5m/s? Comment by Coffeecrashing October 19, 2024

@Mooks said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823001#Comment_3823001
Then the game design is already horribly inconsistent as some killers have great low rarity addons and useless higher tier ones
I think a better game design would be to have less clutter but more usable stuff without power creep or imbalances

especially considering that most of the useless stuff isnt being used and its literally just clutter and nothing else. I cant be the only one seeing only actual useful stuff being used by my opponents (not a complaint, just observation)

https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3823000#Comment_3823000
so its a buff because you will use things that you wouldnt have used otherwise? So.. the matches will not be different since you wouldnt have used the weaker stuff?
i guess that could also be worked around by just not converting the weaker stuff into the new ‚averaged‘ stuff but instead into BP/just retire as already happened with other things. And add different useful (not overpowered/strong) things to the bloodwebs to help against too many of one specific item
Idk. At this point i really need to know why we need clutter that no one uses..

I personally can't get a constant supply of Alex's toolboxes because of their rarity, because I don't pour that many bloodpoints into any one survivor. And even with most killers, I don't spend enough bloodpoints on them to have a constant supply of very rare or ultra rare addons. I have a lot of killers that are limited to just common/uncommon addons, and a small handful that are limited to common/uncommon/rare addons. And only my current main killer, or my previous main killers, actually have a decent supply of very rare items. So, yes, the rarity percentages actually does affect people, because there are a lot of games where they can't bring the actual useful stuff, if they split up where their bloodpoints are spent.

And with your suggestion, BHVR would have to decide if 100% of the sabotage toolboxes are Alex's, or if 0% of the sabotage toolboxes are Alex's. Which means that BHVR is either allowing survivors to bring Alex's Toolboxes to 100% of their games, or to 0% of their games. That's a major difference.