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One easy fix for trapper

Chilli_man2400 Chilli_man2400
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I know trapper is on the list to get updated next after trickster, but I’m shocked BHVR have not done this one update to trapper it would literally fix all his problems without completely reworking him

Just give trapper a new ability where he can collect traps from a distance

Basically you know how with Freddy and hound-master that red arrow that pops up when targeting a Gen?
just make it so if you see a trap from a distance you press X(on ps5) to collect it and it goes into your inventory

It would go on a cooldown with the red bar like legion and spirit, I’d say a 30 second cooldown would work

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  • PleaseRewind PleaseRewind

    I've always thought they should just have him collect traps from lockers.

  • DBD78 DBD78

    Where is the info on Trapper being next for updates?

  • HoodedWildKard HoodedWildKard

    Mechanically it'd help, but it would kind of ruin his vibe. Doesn't strike me as telekinetic. Maybe they should kind of basekit the trapper bag and give him all his traps at the start but still allow him to pick them up.

  • Chilli_man2400 Chilli_man2400

    @HoodedWildKard said:

    Mechanically it'd help, but it would kind of ruin his vibe. Doesn't strike me as telekinetic. Maybe they should kind of basekit the trapper bag and give him all his traps at the start but still allow him to pick them up.

    I know it’s weird cause your like mental projection his traps into your bag/inventory from a distance

    But remember it is a video game not everything needs to be realistic and plus this is the entity’s realm anything is possible

    The reason I wouldn’t give him ALL his traps is cause it would just be unfun to go against, imagine him just trapping every loop in chase it would be so braindead

  • Abbzy Abbzy

    @HoodedWildKard said:

    Mechanically it'd help, but it would kind of ruin his vibe. Doesn't strike me as telekinetic. Maybe they should kind of basekit the trapper bag and give him all his traps at the start but still allow him to pick them up.

    Vibe side of this game died long time ago since its fog and old (slow and tortuing but satisfying) animations dissappeared.

    It maybe wont be that slow calculating evan boy but he wont be ddddd-tier of d-tier who is bad anymore (maybe if they rework him right).

  • HoodedWildKard HoodedWildKard

    @Chilli_man2400 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4058322#Comment_4058322

    I know it’s weird cause your like mental projection his traps into your bag/inventory from a distance

    But remember it is a video game not everything needs to be realistic and plus this is the entity’s realm anything is possible

    The reason I wouldn’t give him ALL his traps is cause it would just be unfun to go against, imagine him just trapping every loop in chase it would be so braindead

    Yeah I'm not fussed about realism in game. I just feel like it'd spoil trappers vibe. And yh but it would have counterplay. While he sets up a trap, surv uses the time to get distance and find another loop.

  • pickle4juice pickle4juice

    @HoodedWildKard said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4058461#Comment_4058461

    Yeah I'm not fussed about realism in game. I just feel like it'd spoil trappers vibe. And yh but it would have counterplay. While he sets up a trap, surv uses the time to get distance and find another loop.

    Doesn't immersion also play a big factor? I mean, it's a horror game, and actually, the HUD already diminishes immersion, so idk, just another reason.

  • MechWarrior3 MechWarrior3

    @DBD78 said:

    Where is the info on Trapper being next for updates?

    It was in the Q&A last year BHVR did on a Live Stream.

  • Nazzzak Nazzzak

    Maybe something like where you can pick traps at a distance (ie areas where gens are completed) to rust over and expire, and then it kind of like restocks in a trap bag?

  • Zuiphrode Zuiphrode

    This wouldn't fix all his problems but it would be helpful.

    However you could make almost all of his current addons basekit and it still wouldn't really make him good.

  • SoGo SoGo

    @HoodedWildKard said:

    Mechanically it'd help, but it would kind of ruin his vibe. Doesn't strike me as telekinetic. Maybe they should kind of basekit the trapper bag and give him all his traps at the start but still allow him to pick them up.

    Maybe you could make it so you can remotely destroy traps (as killer ofc), and then recover them from lockers.

    Dunno if it helps keep the vibe.

  • Reinami Reinami

    @Chilli_man2400 said:

    I know trapper is on the list to get updated next after trickster, but I’m shocked BHVR have not done this one update to trapper it would literally fix all his problems without completely reworking him

    Just give trapper a new ability where he can collect traps from a distance

    Basically you know how with Freddy and hound-master that red arrow that pops up when targeting a Gen?
    just make it so if you see a trap from a distance you press X(on ps5) to collect it and it goes into your inventory

    It would go on a cooldown with the red bar like legion and spirit, I’d say a 30 second cooldown would work

    • Addon rework.
    • Make him start with 3 traps
    • Decrease trap setup time from 2.5 seconds to 2 seconds. (setting speed addon basekit)
    • Decrease trap pickup time from 1 second to 0.5 seconds.
    • Slightly buff the hitbox of the traps so that you can place one right under a window and it still hits a survivor, or that you can place one near a pallet and they can't wiggle around it slightly to still walk through the trap.
    • Trapper is no longer stunned when stepping on his own trap (although the trap will snap closed still)
    • Put 1 trap near each generator to start
    • Increase the setting buffer from 1.5 meters to 8 meters so you can't put too many traps close together (to prevent basement trapper being a thing)
    • Increase the haste when setting a trap from 7.5% to 10%.
    • Make the haste when setting a trap "build up" So basically you build up the haste as you channel the trap, so if you cancel it early, you still get like a half second speed boost.
    • Make escaping a trap no longer RNG.
      • For example: Currently its, every failed attempt, increases your chances of success by 16.67% until it reaches 100%, so the 6th attempt is a 100% chance to occur. This means on average it will take a survivor 6 seconds to escape at ~3 attempts on average.
      • Instead make it just be a single attempt, that takes 10 seconds (making the addons for this basekit) to remove YOURSELF from the trap, and only 2.5 seconds for another survivor to remove you from the trap.
    • New Skill: Juggernaut
      • When a survivor steps in a trap, press the secondary ability button to immediately face that survivor. The trapper then moves in the shortest path to that survivor increasing speed until he reaches 10 m/s. If the survivor escapes the trap, the trapper will continue moving to the last known location of the trappe survivor. Once he arrives at the trap, if the survivor is in the trap, trapper will automatically down the survivor (or can pick them up from the trap by pressing the button again). If the survivor is not trapped, the killer gains killer instinct on that survivor for 10 seconds. Juggernaut can be cancelled at any time and then goes on a short cooldown.

    This isn't perfect but its a start. This will:

    • Give him more traps
    • make him setup faster
    • Make him pickup traps faster
    • Make him move faster when setting up traps mid-chase, or able to cancel the power early for hastey mindgames
    • Survivors can't RNG luck out of a trap anymore
    • Trapper can't hook everyone in the basement easily anymore and just setup a ton of traps.
    • New ability gives him some map control. If he sets up a web of traps he can leave that web and if a survivor hits a trap he has a chance to get to them.
  • zonkednb zonkednb

    @Reinami said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/464424/one-easy-fix-for-trapper

    • Addon rework.
    • Make him start with 3 traps
    • Decrease trap setup time from 2.5 seconds to 2 seconds. (setting speed addon basekit)
    • Decrease trap pickup time from 1 second to 0.5 seconds.
    • Slightly buff the hitbox of the traps so that you can place one right under a window and it still hits a survivor, or that you can place one near a pallet and they can't wiggle around it slightly to still walk through the trap.
    • Trapper is no longer stunned when stepping on his own trap (although the trap will snap closed still)
    • Put 1 trap near each generator to start
    • Increase the setting buffer from 1.5 meters to 8 meters so you can't put too many traps close together (to prevent basement trapper being a thing)
    • Increase the haste when setting a trap from 7.5% to 10%.
    • Make the haste when setting a trap "build up" So basically you build up the haste as you channel the trap, so if you cancel it early, you still get like a half second speed boost.
    • Make escaping a trap no longer RNG.
      • For example: Currently its, every failed attempt, increases your chances of success by 16.67% until it reaches 100%, so the 6th attempt is a 100% chance to occur. This means on average it will take a survivor 6 seconds to escape at ~3 attempts on average.
      • Instead make it just be a single attempt, that takes 10 seconds (making the addons for this basekit) to remove YOURSELF from the trap, and only 2.5 seconds for another survivor to remove you from the trap.
    • New Skill: Juggernaut
      • When a survivor steps in a trap, press the secondary ability button to immediately face that survivor. The trapper then moves in the shortest path to that survivor increasing speed until he reaches 10 m/s. If the survivor escapes the trap, the trapper will continue moving to the last known location of the trappe survivor. Once he arrives at the trap, if the survivor is in the trap, trapper will automatically down the survivor (or can pick them up from the trap by pressing the button again). If the survivor is not trapped, the killer gains killer instinct on that survivor for 10 seconds. Juggernaut can be cancelled at any time and then goes on a short cooldown.

    This isn't perfect but its a start. This will:

    • Give him more traps
    • make him setup faster
    • Make him pickup traps faster
    • Make him move faster when setting up traps mid-chase, or able to cancel the power early for hastey mindgames
    • Survivors can't RNG luck out of a trap anymore
    • Trapper can't hook everyone in the basement easily anymore and just setup a ton of traps.
    • New ability gives him some map control. If he sets up a web of traps he can leave that web and if a survivor hits a trap he has a chance to get to them.

    I really love all those ideas. I wanna play Trapper more but I find him so clunky. Basically every suggestion you've made addresses not only the weaknesses I've found, but also what makes him not fun to play.

    The new ability though is hilarious. I can only imagine witnessing hyperspeed Trapper zoom past at 250% once fully ramped up.

  • HoodedWildKard HoodedWildKard

    @SoGo said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4058322#Comment_4058322

    Maybe you could make it so you can remotely destroy traps (as killer ofc), and then recover them from lockers.

    Dunno if it helps keep the vibe.

    That seems more in keeping with it i think

  • Xaerdy Xaerdy

    @Reinami said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/464424/one-easy-fix-for-trapper

    • Addon rework.
    • Make him start with 3 traps
    • Decrease trap setup time from 2.5 seconds to 2 seconds. (setting speed addon basekit)
    • Decrease trap pickup time from 1 second to 0.5 seconds.
    • Slightly buff the hitbox of the traps so that you can place one right under a window and it still hits a survivor, or that you can place one near a pallet and they can't wiggle around it slightly to still walk through the trap.
    • Trapper is no longer stunned when stepping on his own trap (although the trap will snap closed still)
    • Put 1 trap near each generator to start
    • Increase the setting buffer from 1.5 meters to 8 meters so you can't put too many traps close together (to prevent basement trapper being a thing)
    • Increase the haste when setting a trap from 7.5% to 10%.
    • Make the haste when setting a trap "build up" So basically you build up the haste as you channel the trap, so if you cancel it early, you still get like a half second speed boost.
    • Make escaping a trap no longer RNG.
      • For example: Currently its, every failed attempt, increases your chances of success by 16.67% until it reaches 100%, so the 6th attempt is a 100% chance to occur. This means on average it will take a survivor 6 seconds to escape at ~3 attempts on average.
      • Instead make it just be a single attempt, that takes 10 seconds (making the addons for this basekit) to remove YOURSELF from the trap, and only 2.5 seconds for another survivor to remove you from the trap.
    • New Skill: Juggernaut
      • When a survivor steps in a trap, press the secondary ability button to immediately face that survivor. The trapper then moves in the shortest path to that survivor increasing speed until he reaches 10 m/s. If the survivor escapes the trap, the trapper will continue moving to the last known location of the trappe survivor. Once he arrives at the trap, if the survivor is in the trap, trapper will automatically down the survivor (or can pick them up from the trap by pressing the button again). If the survivor is not trapped, the killer gains killer instinct on that survivor for 10 seconds. Juggernaut can be cancelled at any time and then goes on a short cooldown.

    This isn't perfect but its a start. This will:

    • Give him more traps
    • make him setup faster
    • Make him pickup traps faster
    • Make him move faster when setting up traps mid-chase, or able to cancel the power early for hastey mindgames
    • Survivors can't RNG luck out of a trap anymore
    • Trapper can't hook everyone in the basement easily anymore and just setup a ton of traps.
    • New ability gives him some map control. If he sets up a web of traps he can leave that web and if a survivor hits a trap he has a chance to get to them.

    I think the new skill might a be a bit too strong. Trapper running to the traps with up to 10 m/s is insanely strong, (or useless if the survivors find the traps and do what survivors sometimes do, dispatch someone to follow poor 'ol Trappy to disarm all his Traps. making your ability swingy)

    Why not instead have a rush ability only for traversing (e.g. blocking M1), which gets insanely fast if the trapper is moving towards a trapped survivor?

  • bm33 bm33

    The thing I love about playing Trapper is how basic his power is. I do think just some minor tweaks would be good. I'd be bummed if they did a big rework that changed how he plays.

    I like the idea of collecting distant traps with a cool down. Still gives him the slowdown of collecting all the traps but doesn't allow him to just trap up the first survivor downed easily. Maybe have option to also reset the furthest traps, also on cool down.

    I want them to make traps blend in with the maps better since they've removed so much ground cover on certain maps and on others there's pretty much no ground cover at all. Also maps are brighter now making traps so much easier to see. Make it so survivors can't see traps unless they are near them, like how you don't see Wraiths cloak until he's a certain distance away.

    I think if injured survivors step in traps they should get hit with deep wound. Also give Trapper haste when his traps have been disarmed.

  • DBD78 DBD78

    @MechWarrior3 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4058318#Comment_4058318

    It was in the Q&A last year BHVR did on a Live Stream.

    Ok that sounds interesting hope they will finally do him justice! Been at the bottom 3 worst killers for years and years more or less.

  • Mr_K Mr_K

    Give him the ability to teleport to his traps.

    😁

  • Reinami Reinami

    @Xaerdy said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4058617#Comment_4058617

    I think the new skill might a be a bit too strong. Trapper running to the traps with up to 10 m/s is insanely strong, (or useless if the survivors find the traps and do what survivors sometimes do, dispatch someone to follow poor 'ol Trappy to disarm all his Traps. making your ability swingy)

    Why not instead have a rush ability only for traversing (e.g. blocking M1), which gets insanely fast if the trapper is moving towards a trapped survivor?

    Why would it be too strong? A map is around 100 x 100 meters. If you build up speed to move at 10 m/s and it takes 10 seconds to remove yourself from the trap, that means that if you literally do it IMMEDIATELY then maybe you can almost reach the other side of the map. But in this case, you can probably cross about half the map.

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