Why is nurse allowed to be broken?

Why is every killer subject to balance changes, nerfs, buffs, etc. and then they allow Nurse to live completely outside of this reality? It's like she is in her own game or something, separate from everyone else.

She is absolutely ridiculously overpowered, there is NOTHING you can do to counter her, and nobody seems to care. Nobody asks for nerfs. The devs don't bother. It's like a criminal who everyone knows is robbing people but the police turn a blind eye.

WHY?!

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  • @Murgleïs said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842047#Comment_3842047

    Show us your winstreak with no perks no addons. That would be easy right ?

    Thanks.

    If you want to see people going on Nurse winstreaks with or without perks go on youtube.

  • @PreorderBonus said:

    Nurse isn't as broken as people often make her out to be, nor does she "ignore the game's mechanics" as is frequently claimed. She simply plays differently and, as such, has a unique form of counterplay. Contrary to popular belief, she doesn't render pallets or windows useless, and her map control has been significantly weakened after all the blink range nerfs.

    Yes, she's consistently ranked in the top tier on every tier list, but that's due to her potential performance, which is a far cry from what you typically see from the average pub Nurse.

    Will you rarely come across a cracked Nurse who effortlessly shreds your attempts at a bully squad? Probably. But this is true for other strong Killers as well, like Blight, Billy, Spirit, etc. It's simply a consequence of having killers with such a high skill ceiling. This is actually positive for the game, as it rewards players for investing the time and effort to master a character. The only problem here is that the MMR system doesn't function properly, so matches often aren't balanced.

    This. Too bad we know that most people on this forum aren't ready to hear it.

  • @radiantHero23 said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842175#Comment_3842175

    Ok… Have you played Pinhead? His chain works the exact same way. Just saying.

    I play one game of Nurse after playing her not for multiple months and do poorly. Then atfer 3 games, I dominate survivors with okish builds. This is not because im insanely good at games, but because ive played a LOT of killer and know survivor pathing and map layouts like the back of my hand. If you know all that, nurse becomes a monster. Again, im not talking about mastering her. Only about performing well with her. Most survivors in public lobbies make a lot of mistakes and are not great my any means. Therefore you dont need much to beat them. Nurse feels overkill for most public matches. Its why I limit myself when I play her. "No aura, no slowdown" or "only allowed to use 2 blinks after a hook".

    Nurse is not hard at all. Shes as close to a dbd-win button as it gets. Does that mean, that your wrong? No. Absolutely not. A majority of dbd´s playerbase sucks at her. Just like a majority of the players in Dark Souls 3 have not beaten the Nameless King. Most people play games for shorter amounts of time and dont want to invest that much into one aspect. Nurse is no different. The general player probably picks her up, plays a few rounds and dropps her because they lack the knowledge that is needed to make her the power house that she is. Then they play trapper until they get stomped and switch the game. Most people dont stick THAT long to one game as we insane people here on the forums do. Steam achievents are proof of that.

    So why does that make Nurse a big problem if most of the playerbase cannot play her? I do agree that she is overkill to us players who can play her well and have 5000+ hours in the game. But so is Blight. So is Billy. So is Spirit. All of these S tier killers crush pub matches. Blight, Billy, and Spirit are going to dominate matches more so than Nurse for a majority of the playerbase because people will stick with them and have a larger pool of people that play them.

    I just don’t see how an almost decade old killer that 2% of the playerbase can play to her fullest potential is in need of an overhaul when the other 3 S tiers are dominating more than her.

    You are also not wrong. Nurse is a go-to “I want to win” killer. But the amount of times you see a Nurse and the amount of times you see her dominate the match is few and far between. Most Nurses are painfully average.

  • Nurse is the strongest killers available, and is always ranked that way, because of what she can do. It's her potential lethality that gets her that high up.

    She has an overall terrible killrate because players know she's the best and try her, but quickly find out you have to put in a decent amount of time to understand her. Imo 50 hours to just no longer suck, and several hundred to git gud. And much much longer if you try with a controller and do not have steady framerates. Few players are willing to put in the required effort to master her. Those that do rightfully should be feared & respected.

    And she's always been quite buggy over the years, at times heavily and others not so bad. But she's also had her kit messed with a few times and her add-ons changed on several occasions.

  • @DeBecker said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3841953#Comment_3841953

    Can you do anything besides assuming and mistreating words?

    I didn't assume or mistreat any of your words. I just asked you two questions: 1) are you (in your previous comment that I referenced) saying that Nurse is easy to play; and 2) if so, is that based on your own experience?

  • Dbd players really pretend nurse is some kind of "only geniuses can play this character" thing.

  • Listen for me I don't like facing Nurse would I say she's OP? No the reason you might be having trouble against her is because people who are playing Nurse only play her so you won't get that player who wants to play her because oooo seems like fun she is really tricky to get the hang of unless the survivors are not that good at the game. Overall would Nurse need a nerf? No. Do I wish I was able to practice against her without ending up on the ground in two seconds? Yes. Plus Nurse's ability can be very funky with hit validation but she does not need a nerf.

  • @versacefeng said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842056#Comment_3842056

    If you want to see people going on Nurse winstreaks with or without perks go on youtube.

    You are proving my point. These content creators are comp players with thousands of hours on her. The average player is a bad Nurse so she is not broken or a problem for the game.

  • @Murgleïs said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842267#Comment_3842267

    You are proving my point. These content creators are comp players with thousands of hours on her. The average player is a bad Nurse so she is not broken or a problem for the game.

    And anyway I think a bigger winstreak was gotten on Blight than on Nurse.

  • @Murgleïs said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842267#Comment_3842267

    You are proving my point. These content creators are comp players with thousands of hours on her. The average player is a bad Nurse so she is not broken or a problem for the game.

    Where are you getting you’re info that the average Nurse player is bad with her?

  • @versacefeng said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842439#Comment_3842439

    Where are you getting you’re info that the average Nurse player is bad with her?

    BHVR killers stats.

  • So you're practically basing your information off of nothing? Kill rates don't detail anything that goes into them. Unless the devs go into the specifics, because quite literally anything and everything in this game can cause those numbers to fluctuate, there won't be any substance to them other than being a number next to their respective killer.

    But hey, what do I know? The average player must be insane with Sadako if she's managing to maintain a 67% kill rate across all MMRs!

  • @Reinami said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/432870/why-is-nurse-allowed-to-be-broken

    Everytime this thread comes up, i ask a simple question. Should the game be balanced around top tier players, or average level players?

    In my opinion, multiplayer games should always be balanced around what the highest level players are capable of doing, while still making sure the game is fun for the average skill players. This is where you rework things that are bad in competitive play, but are complete "noob stompers" such as when LoL did that to champions like Xin Xhao, at one point, who was stomping pub games, but pretty bad in tournament play. Or the reverse, where something is really good in competitive play, but super hard to play so in low skill games it has a horrible win rate. That way the game is inherently balanced, and it gives players something to strive for that is valuable.

    For some reason, the DBD community seems to think that you should balance this game around average skilled players. I disagree with that, but thus, i give you the stats.

    The last official stats released:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/433

    They put nurse at a 55% kill rate at 3rd from the bottom. Keep in mind that the stats are slightly deflated for doctor due to the "afk doctor" epidemic that was going on in some regions, and hillbilly changes had just barely gone live, and didn't include the removal of the overheat yet. Additionally, nearly every single time they release data, the nurse is the bottom of the list in terms of kill rate, usually far below the desired "60% kill rate" mark and making her by far the "worst killer in the game"

    Even looking at the unofficial stats on nightlight, shows her having a 57% kill rate, not too far off that 55% kill rate the official stats put her at and killers like:

    • lich
    • pinhead
    • sadako
    • blight
    • twins
    • hag
    • plague
    • pig (yes pig)
    • wraith
    • freddy (yes freddy)
    • leatherface
    • oni
    • chucky
    • nemesis
    • doctor
    • dracula
    • billy
    • wesker
    • dredge (yes dredge)

    All have a higher kill rate than her. In fact, the unofficial stats put her only slight above the average 56.83% kill rate of all killers.

    So i ask you again. Should games be balanced around what the most skilled players in the game are capable of? Or should they be balanced around the average player? When you look at the most skilled players in the world, generally you'll see that, assuming no outside rules like perk restrictions, or scoring systems, or any other things that the "comp scene" tries to put in place to balance the game, pretty much the only viable killers at that level, are nurse, spirit, and maybe blight (although i'm not sure since the removal of hug tech).

    So, if we were to balance around the highest skilled players in the game, the survivors need massive massive nerfs, or almost every killer needs massive massive buffs in order to compete. Then, if that is the case THEN nurse can be nerfed.

    But if the philosophy is that we balance the game around the "Average" players"? Well, then based on that, looking at official stats from BHVR, shows that nurse is in dire need of BUFFS to bring her more in line with the super strong killers like… freddy…. and pig….

    And the unofficial stats show her as the shining beacon of design and balance for what this game should be balanced around, a perfectly "average" killer.

    Keep in mind i say these things as a player who:

    • Has 4k hours
    • Is a nurse main
    • Literally cannot remember the last time i lost a game as nurse (i do draw on rare occasion)
    • Thinks nurse should be nerfed
    • Thinks that survivors as a whole need to have their "power" toned down significantly, mostly in terms of nerfing loops and not increasing gen times
      • If anything i think gens should be shorter

    So one last time, i ask you, should this game be balanced around high skill players, or average skill players?

    If you think loops need to be nerfed more than they already have been when survivor is already at the weakest spot its ever been in the history of the game then nothing else you say can be taken seriously.

  • @doobiedo said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3841799#Comment_3841799

    If you think loops need to be nerfed more than they already have been when survivor is already at the weakest spot its ever been in the history of the game then nothing else you say can be taken seriously.

    Never watched a comp game have you?

    Keep in mind when i say these things i say them from the PoV of the OTHER 30 killers that aren't the top ones. You'll never see a trapper win a comp match, or a legion for example.

  • @versacefeng said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842624#Comment_3842624

    So you're practically basing your information off of nothing? Kill rates don't detail anything that goes into them. Unless the devs go into the specifics, because quite literally anything and everything in this game can cause those numbers to fluctuate, there won't be any substance to them other than being a number next to their respective killer.

    But hey, what do I know? The average player must be insane with Sadako if she's managing to maintain a 67% kill rate across all MMRs!

    And what are you basing your information off ? Your subjective experience ? Your inability to get a decent chase against a Nurse ?

    Sadako is way easier than Nurse to get value in pubs for the average survivor, yes. She has better mobility, stealth and passive value (condemned). Once some pallets are gone and it’s a dead area there is nothing you can do against her. Meanwhile you can always break line of sights even in endgame against a Nurse. That’s the good thing about not relying on pallets to counter a killer.

  • @Reinami said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3842758#Comment_3842758

    Never watched a comp game have you?

    Keep in mind when i say these things i say them from the PoV of the OTHER 30 killers that aren't the top ones. You'll never see a trapper win a comp match, or a legion for example.

    no one cares about comp

  • Why is it when comes to balancing, we always have to consider killers in the hands of the very top players who have tens of thousands of hours and win streaks hundreds of games long, but for survivors it’s “no one cares about comp” and “most SWFs aren’t that good” and so on?

  • And this is where it begins.

    I'm not saying to care about comp, i'm saying that the people who are as good as those who play comp show that this game has significant balance issues at the top level.

  • @BorisDDAA said:

    Dbd players really pretend nurse is some kind of "only geniuses can play this character" thing.

    To be fair you need a pretty high IQ to understand Nurse,

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3841549#Comment_3841549

    Here again - lowest Killrate is the only thing, because with Nurse, Killrate SUDDENLY matters. But not with every other Killer.

    Her difficulty is also really overrated. Sure, you feel like the dumbest person on earth when trying her out for the first time, but it only takes a few hours to play her well enough to win the majority of the games. And if you reach that point the only question is how much you want to limit yourself to make the game remotely interesting and not completely one-sided. (e.g. how many Slowdown-Perks do you pick on her, do you use Add Ons, are you slugging a lot, tunneling, stuff like that)

    Im sorry this is very much a lie and is often something just said to make nurse seem worse than she is. There's a reason most nurses can't get beyond a 1k and nobody plays her despite her power level and its her skill requirement. When theres a killer who requires less skill but can get similar results that killer become used very quickly and very often (Spirit is a good example of this, was kind of difficult but not to Nurse's level and produced similar results). If Nurse was much easier you'd see her a LOT more and her kill rate wouldn't be where its at.

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