DBD Killer Timeline
Since I have nothing better to do, I decided to put together a timeline for when each Killer's story took place. This took, honestly not that much time, but some of it is obviously questionable. And since a lot of these stories could have taken place during a large time period, obviously some Killers are in the wrong spot, but this is the best I could do.
Due to character limits, I've been forced to move over to a Google Document. This thread is updated up to Kaneki but will no longer be updated.
DBD Killer Timeline
Obviously, Adiris is the oldest Killer in the game. Babylon existed during 2300-539 BC. There are no clear indicators as to where in this timeframe she falls under (in fact, the gods mentioned in The Maiden Guard don't appear to even be actual Babylonian deities). However, knowing that she became the high priestess after all of the other priests got sick, I think it's safe to say Babylon's time was nearing its end. Her archive, The Maiden Guard, takes place some time before this, and my interpretation of it was the Entity testing the waters with her before she became a real killer, manipulating her into killing her adoptive father, Haban. Nothing much to add there that would change her placement (and I can't find anything of a Maiden Guard existing, so once again, a fictional version of an ancient religion). But since every time I look up Babylonian plagues, I instead get an album from a band called Iced Earth or the Ten Plagues of Egypt from Exodus, I'm just going to leave her at Babylon's end. Either way, she is infected (likely through that toe she chopped off, exposing herself to the plague) and exiled herself. Out of desperation, she made one last prayer to her gods, but the Entity heard her instead and bent her to its will once again, turning her into the Plague.
Vecna provides some... unique challenges. Firstly, Greyhawk lore is INCREDIBLY vague and often contradictory. In fact, while trying to read up on Vecna's history, I was only able to find THREE years, which brings me to the second, and probably more obvious issue: HE'S NOT FROM EARTH! Luckily, we CAN narrow things down due to three items: The Hand & Eye of Vecna, and the Vorpal Blade, formerly belonging to his second-in-command, Kas. Based on the quote attributed to the blade and the existence of Vecna's most iconic artifacts, we KNOW he had to have been taken AFTER Kas's betrayal, which led to his destruction until a cult dedicated to him tried to bring him to godhood between 581 & 586 Common Year (which I think is fair to assume equivalent to our AD, since it even goes negative and has no year 0, like our BC). Vecna is eventually defeated and banished to Ravenloft in 586, meaning he had to have entered the Realm BEFORE this date, as he is still present in his Ruined Tower and hasn't quite broken out of Ravenloft and ascended to godhood (which he would do in 591). Hard to say the specifics, but Vecna is our oldest licensed killer, and I can't imagine that will be changing.
Tarhos Kovács was taken as a child to serve in the Guardia Compagnia, a ruthless group of mercenary knights, after surviving the poison attempt his mother made to spare him from exactly that. There, he met the Faithful Three that would eventually become his Guards in the realm: Sander Rault, who, for whatever reason, traded a battle axe for a lunk of steel that only resembles a sword if your only reference point is Berserk and would become the Carnifex; Alejandro Santiago, who would become the Nazgûl your parents tell you is at home known as the Jailer; and Durkos Malecek, the only one who isn't overly designed and became the Assassin. Tarhos would eventually break free, but he needed money to free his companions. Thanks to Vittorio's lore, we know that he was hired in 1391 to aid in finding the Lapis Paridisus. From here, things get a bit cloudier. Given they traveled from Italy to western Portugal, likely on horseback, I'd say a few months pass before they find Sintra, maybe a month assuming they literally took no breaks whatsoever, which we know they did while searching ruins. Then, after gettng the Lapis Paridisus, they return to Portoscuro with Vittorio in chains, taking about the same amount of time, maybe a little longer to account for Vittorio's condition. Things get a little less cloudy here as we know months passed before Tarhos charged in on the Guardia Compagnia with a small army, freeing his Pack and returning to Portoscuro to prepare for war. During the final battle, Tarhos and the Faithful Three would be taken by the Entity. If the expedition began as early in the year as possible (which would make the winter weather slow them down even further), we're looking at late 1391. I don't think that's realistic, and am going for an early to mind 1392 to the Knight's placement. All Nothing but Darkness does is give us a deeper dive into Tarhos's psyche, showing how he doesn't believe in good or evil, just those who accept the world for what it is and those who want to change it because they are too afraid of the truth. Nothing that helps establish placement, but still rather insightful.
While Dracula's lore is pretty expansive, DbD only goes into two events, with brief references to others. The first major event we see is in 1476, when Trevor Belmont defeated Dracula. This is FAR from the end of Dracula's story, but I think it's actually an interesting note on Trevor's side of things. Given how he was taken and is stated (and shown in the trailer) to be reaching for the Vampire Killer, it's pretty obvious he was expecting a battle with Dracula, so he brought it with him, only for the Entity to take it away. This HAS to mean that Trevor was taken AFTER Dracula was, which is just a neat little way of telling us how the Entity managed to get a weakened Dark Lord without needing to put a seal on him like it did Vecna, while still maintaining the Castlevania timeline.
Kazan Yamaoka, or Oni-Yamaoka was a samurai (though his actions make me believe him to be more akin to a Ronin, or samurai without a master, as his father, Renjiro, was his master and DID NOT approve of his actions. Plus the whole patricide thing). The question is from what time period. According to several sources, a former peasant by the name of Toyotomi Hideyoshi became a samurai and would eventually become one of the leading men of Japan, roughly around 1590, succeeding ODA NOBUNAGA. After this, he banned non-samurai from owning swords, in an attempt to keep Japan safer. You were either born a samurai, or you weren't (however, as Malum_Midnight has shown in another thread, it wasn't exactly enforced very well, so that's something to think about). So Kazan is most likely from before this time, as he was brutally murdering hundreds of peasant samurai. The period that Hideyoshi (Japanese names, at least back then, were family name, then personal name, so Kazan is actually Yamaoka Kazan, but it makes sense either way) ended was the Sengoku Period, from 1467-1600. That's a long time period to work with, but I'd say he's from around the middle of it, around 1530 to 1550ish, but that's just me. (Boy was I ever off)
It's difficult to really say when Portia Maye's story takes place. None of her cosmetics give any real dates, I don't even know what to look up in terms of her fashion choices, Snug and the unnamed Poodle's breeds have been around for a while, and even Haddie's notes in the "teasers" don't really give anything to work with. As such, the most I've got to work with is the fact that she's a pirate. Thus, the Golden Age of Piracy, which lasted from the 1650s to the 1730s, seems to be the most I can do. The Poodle's presence does tell me that we're probably looking at the later end of this era, since they were first bred sometime in the 1600s, but without real specifics on when they were bred specifically, I can't accept this with any real confidence, so we'll have to wait for the Houndmaster to get an archive.
For a while, all we had on the Deshayes Twins were that they were born in 17th century France. I concluded that they had to have been taken after 1624, due to a law passed in Northern France that required witch sentences to be confirmed with the Parliament of Paris before they could be carried out. Élodie's lore tells us that Madeleine Deshayes' burning was documented, which meant it had to have happened after this year (or it happened in one of many villages that just didn't care about the law). The Twin's archive, Side by Side Forever... doesn't help clarify things. At least, not directly. But the cosmetic attached to it DOES. It comes with a tricorn hat. These wouldn't come to France until 1667-68 and wouldn't become popular until King Louis XIV popularized them around 1685, well within the range I figured. The rest is a bit finicky, but, assuming that's how Charlotte envisioned herself (and assuming the later year as a result due to them being popular then) while on the run from hunters and the Black Vale, she would have to be about 7 during or after that year (the Black Vale caught the Twins when they were 5, and it's stated that she wouldn't have hurt anything two years prior, telling me that they were held for two years... even though she looks the exact same as she does as a young adult in the animation). Their story seems to end with Charlotte as a late teenager so (assuming she's about 18 when taken), they would have been taken by the Entity around 1696. Obviously, a lot of leeway, with the earliest being 1678, but it's more reasonable than it was before.
Kazan Yamaoka. The Oni. The absolute thorn in my side with this timeline. Initially, I had him placed in the mid 1500s, but that always came with one major issue: the Spirit (who was similarly problematic in placing) being his great (x5) granddaughter. Unless the Yamaoka family members are able to live for multiple centuries, this would be physically impossible. But him being from the Sengoku Period made so much sense given his hatred of false samurai and the ban on non-samurai from owning swords, so I begrudgingly stayed with it. Now we cut to today, where he now has his own archive (without a title, as seems to be the new standard), where I finally see that I was so far off the mark it wasn't even funny. The video that comes with the archive shows Kazan raiding a ship with a VERY specific flag shown flowing in the wind. The flag of the Dutch East India Company, which lasted from 1602 to 1799. Trade with Japan seems to have declined around 1670, but assuming Rin was born in 1976 (explained with her archive), that still doesn't really work, so Kazan's story must take place sometime in the later years. It's difficult (actually, basically impossible), to get more specific than this though, so the best estimation I can make is the mid-late 1700s, but well before 1799.
The ENTIRE POINT of the Unknown is that we DON'T know what it is or where it came from. So, how am I supposed to work this thing into the timeline? I mean, it barely shows up IN ITS OWN LORE! The answer is actually pretty simple. I've come to the conclusion that all four of the main theories presented in its story are, at least partially, true. And based on that, we know the first disappearances attached to it were from the 1800s. During a séance, an alien-like creature was summoned into the world.
The Human Quotient, the second released but first chronological archive for Talbot Grimes, makes mention of a King. Following this, the latest year it could take place is 1837, when Queen Victoria would take the throne following King William IV's death. Not the most helpful, but it does place a maximum year, which is something. In the cinematic, I'd say he appears to be in his early thirties, but between the unusually poorly sketched cinematic and having most of his head covered by a turban, it's just an estimate. Based off the Chipped Monocle add-on, we can safely say that Talbot was somewhat old when he was taken by the Entity, but between not knowing what he looked like before his transformation into the Blight and "later years" not being well defined, it's hard to say. Given the East India Company still seemed to have power, which would be somewhat held back by the Charter Act of 1813, my best estimate is sometime before then (which would ultimately put him in his sixties based on the following paragraph and my estimated age, fitting that "later years" statement).
Later, Talbot operated on prisoners of the First Opium War, a real life event that occurred from 1839-1842. Unfortunately, there's really no clear way to tell HOW long he did this testing, but, considering he was sent to Mangalore, which was an active war zone at the time, we know he was beaten to near death and found by the monks before the war ended. I'll run with the assumption that this event happened towards the war's end and move on to the next question: how long was he at the "monastery"? Again, not very clear (I'm really starting to notice a pattern here), but he shouldn't have taken much longer than a year to year and a half. Shortly afterward, he was kidnapped and sent to an opium den, the "monastery" trying to prevent him from going too deep. Following this logic, Talbot was taken by the Entity around 1843-1844, initially as a Survivor that we've simply known as the Alchemist from The Hunger, experimenting on the Killers that he somehow managed to capture. Eventually, he lost hope and was sent to the Void, but he got out and the Entity started messing with him, as we see in Doors Unknown. Eventually, the Entity stops toying with Talbot and gives him the flower he wants, which then proceeds to transform him into the True Blight (presumably, after this ends, he begins using the serum to transform himself into the base version of Blight we have, trying to maintain that form).
Going to leave the above sections for history purposes, as newer (aka been around since Blight's release that I never considered for some reason) information has made it outdated. As the_voices points out, the much maligned Alchemit Ring mentions a reprimand on Talbot Grimes from 1838, a year after I theorized The Human Quotient could have been at the earliest, given the mention of a King. This is instead either an alternate universe where Queen Victoria didn't replace William IV in 1837 or BHVR failing history once again. And given how soon the First Opium War would take place, I can't, once again thanks to the_voices, place Talbot's experiments as taking place then anymore.
However, I can place him during the SECOND Opium War, from 1856 to 1860. Now, I'd say the gap between The Human Quotient and his base lore is much smaller (but honestly impossible to really figure out, given the ONE THING that helped place it being something that literally DOESN'T WORK), but we still don't really know how long he was testing. I believe it's reasonable to assume that it was going on during the entire war, and it also doesn't seem unreasonable to still say he learned the truth of the horrors he unwittingly committed towards the end. I still don't think it would take him much more than a year of recovering at the "monastery" while repaying the monks. So, somewhere around 1861-1862 seems reasonable for him to be thrown into the opium den and kidnapped by the Entity, where he would become the Alchemist during the Hallowed Blight and The Hunger, experimenting on Killers he somehow managed to capture. He lost hope and got sent to the Void, but he somehow escaped and the Entity decided to mess with his head during Doors Unknown. Eventually, when the Entity decides it's done playing with Talbot, is gives him the Pustula flower he was seeking, then overdoses him, leading to him transforming into the True Blight. Presumably, this was a temporary transformation and he ultimately reverted to the basic Blight he maintains with the serum.
We actually have a decent understanding of when Caleb Quinn, the Deathslinger, is from. Through the lore given by Zarina, his Survivor, we know that an "Irish-born inmate" was sentenced to fifteen years for assault in Hellshire Penitentiary in 1860. This aligns almost perfectly with Caleb (and, in another thread, I've gone into detail about how the inconsistencies between their backstories makes sense, but I'm not reiterating it here). Due to Caleb's lore, we know that he was let out early because he was helping the warden. This is where things get a little tricky, because this can be interpreted in one of two ways. 1. His sentence was fifteen years and he was released earlier OR 2. His original sentence was longer, and it was shortened to fifteen years. I believe the former to be the truth. The question is... HOW early? I'd give an estimate of between six to ten years. As Spooky13 pointed out, Caleb's uncommon cosmetics very plainly state that he originally had a longer sentence. Now, I almost never consider cosmetics canon, but I never said anything about the DESCRIPTION of them (unless they are so obviously not true... looking at you Lunar New Year Susie). So, Caleb was released 15 years after his arrest, in 1875. After that, it's a straightforward six years before Caleb realizes he's being used and takes his posse to get revenge, getting claimed by the Entity in 1881. As to be expected, his archive does nothing to either narrow down his story or be interesting at all (seriously, this single sentence took until the day of the Unknown Mid-Chapter to update because I have lost basically ALL investment in the archives at this point).
Anna the Huntress's archive, A Lovely War doesn't exactly help narrow her place in the timeline because she was already well established. She comes from WWI. During the last paragraph of her backstory, it is mentioned that German soldiers are "on the march to attack the collapsing Russian Empire." Notice it says RUSSIAN rather than SOVIET. Germany declared war on the Russian empire in 1914. Instead, it focuses on how she reacted to the invading Germans. We also learn that her father was murdered by soldiers, according to her mother. Perhaps this is the reason why they retreated to the wilderness in the first place. She was taken by the Entity after the war ended, in 1918.
The first Killer archive, Blood, Brass and Grit, gives us a look at Evan MacMillan's childhood before becoming the Trapper. We learn that he is from Seattle and the workers at his father's mine are planning on getting the union involved. In Seattle, there was a union strike in February of 1919. I point this out as it involves unions and took place in Seattle. If the MacMillan workers were trying to get the union involved, then this event either took place already, or is about to. We also learn that Evan's uncle and mother were murdered by Archie an unspecified time earlier. Eventually, Evan's friendship with the workers is discovered after his friends sell him and his sketches out, and Evan begins to adopt his father's brutal methods.
The Cleansing of Crotus Prenn doesn't seem to do much for Sally Smithson's placement. However, her default appearance states that her outfit was pretty standard apparel for a nurse in the early 20th century. While it's appearance doesn't seem to line up EXACTLY with how WWI nurses looked, it's still similar enough. Looking at the state of Crotus Prenn, I really don't think the government would be spending money on changing the nurse outfits (and they were pretty similar in WWII as well), so Sally more than likely (given the two decades between her husband's death and completely losing her mind) started working around 1920, give or take a few years.
"Kenneth Chase was born in 1932 by a difficult labour, which his mother wouldn't survive." Word for word in the Clown's backstory. I don't have to think of dates that sound plausible when it's literally right there. Though I don't really have much else to add here, since Kenneth's story takes place over a long time, it should be noted that he seems to have split away from the Kenneth Chase name from a young age, as in the flashback to his youth we see in Finger of Chaos, he's already calling himself Jeffrey Hawk in his head. Either the name "Kenneth" is too hurtful because it was given by his abusive father, or BHVR did what BHVR does best and forgot. He also seems to have developed his finger fetish here.
With two decades passing between Sally becoming a Nurse and The Cleansing of Crotus Prenn, I believe her story to end around 1940ish. Her mind finally snaps and she follows the Broken Woman's advice to follow up on the concepts of purification from her original lore, purging the "genetic abominations" in the asylum, starting with the person who gave her the idea. After everyone is dead, Sally is brought to the hospital, but presumably crashes the ambulance along the way and got scooped up by the Entity.
Later in the 1940s, Kenneth was becoming quite accomplished at killing animals. The last date mentioned in his backstory is 1954, when he drugged and killed a young man, whose finger was found by his father. Knowing he had no other choice, Kenneth bolted and would eventually join the circus.
During the 1950s, the government began Project Applie-Pie where they performed experiments on what they codenamed: Unknown Venom X. This was, of course, the Unknown. How they got a hold of it is a complete mystery, and it of course managed to escape at some point and made its way to Greenville, where it was blamed for a host of disappearances over the years, including Mikaela and Sable, two disappearances that were NOT linked to it. And it would stay there for a while...
Otto Stamper would found the Garden of Joy in the 1960s. Here, the Ottomarians would do nothing but think happy thoughts, and any dissidents were banished. At least, that's what the cult was told. Instead, he and the Black Vale tortured these people, causing darkness to begin taking the island, summoning the Druanee, or as we know it, the Dredge. As chatgiraffe says, this couldn't have taken too long, given what comes next in the timeline (although, as Smoe points out, this future event is quite literally impossible, but it also likely has no effect on the ultimate placement being in the 60s). So, sometime in the early 1960s, 1965 seems to be the maximum. Otto would convince his congregation to murder each other, and the Dredge picked up the bodies and souls of these angry cultists to become the evil murder turkey it was destined to be. What happened next and when it was actually taken are really anybody's guess, given the lore is mostly told through Otto's perspective.
Ascendance is easily my favorite Archive so far. It's graphic as hell, but is also full of dark humor. It also gives us a reliable timeframe for Doctor Herman Carter. His Archive mentions PAPERCLIP, BLUEBIRD, MKULTRA, MKDELTA and MKSEARCH. Since he has knowledge of all of these, we just have to know when these projects happened. PAPERCLIP lasted from 1946 to 1959, and consisted largely of former Nazi scientists. BLUEBIRD began in 1951, but I had trouble pinning the details down. Something about hypnotism in the official document from the CIA website, but I'm not going through a 29 page document for something minor. MKULTRA is the one everyone knows, and, alongside MKDELTA, it began in 1953. MKSEARCH is the last one, beginning in 1964, attempting to find the ultimate truth serum. Herman had knowledge of it, so it had to have been after this. He was inducted into MKAWAKENING, which he would begin spearheading later on, under his universe's Otto Stamper's guidance (Smoe left a very well-researched discussion of what the hell I'm mean by this that I highly recommend reading about how the two Otto's are actually very different people).
Philip Ojomo's archive, the depressing The Algebra of Infinite Night tells us that he was "born in newly created Nigeria," which not only confirms his origin to be Nigeria like many of us believed, but also gives us a clear idea of when it takes place, as Nigeria was officially created in 1960. I don't think this is actually the year of his birth, but the pure hell he went through occurred a few years after this, which was found by MeltingPenguins. The anti-Igbo Pogrom of 1966 almost perfectly mirrors what happened to him. These events begin shaping him into the Wraith that we all know.
Kenneth, now fully embracing the name of Jeffrey Hawk, goes on for another decade, bringing us to the 1960's once again. Sometime during this, the completely insane story of Finger of Chaos occurs. We can tell this because of his seeming familiarity with everything around this circus, meaning he hasn't slipped up and let the one girl go yet. I honestly can't tell how much time passes after this event, but eventually, he rides his carriage into the Entity's realm. Since he clearly spends a little while traveling the U.S., I'd say this takes place around the late-60's to early-mid-70's, but again, there are no real markers to tell us.
We pick back up for a brief moment with Herman in the 1970's, as the Institute thrived, and he began to spearhead MKAWAKENING. But there isn't too much else to tell for a little bit.
I'm just going to put Lisa the Hag here, in the 1970's, but she is one of the really annoying ones. There are NO markers to tell us when her story takes place (except for a few things about her home being from the 1800's, like the lightbulbs and paddleboats, but she wasn't before Anna), but I'm placing her here since, from what I can tell, the 1970's brought a resurgence of witch culture, which Lisa has plenty of. Even her WIP name was the Witch. But again, her story could have taken place at any time.
A Man Named Boy both does and doesn't really provide much to help us determine the Hillbilly's placement. We have information about some of the shows he watched on TV as a child. The older of the two is "Leave it to Beaver," which ended in 1963. So we know he was likely a child around this time, which works well with older information we have from the Coldwind Farm realms. The Thompson House describes some sort of horrific event in 1972, which matches fairly well with the event of the archive. After this massacre, Boy learns (presumably, since it isn't shown) that his real name was Max, named after his father, like he always wanted.
Rin is the MOST complicated. Her story has no years, no significant events to talk about, and none of her add-ons help. I thought that her baseball cap would be something, but sport caps were invented in 1849, which is WAY before Anna. Then something caught my eye. "That evening, Rin came home from work. She'd stayed late to entertain customers that lingered at the restaurant. As she parked her bike in the shed, she heard her mother's scream the house."
As she parked her bike (I have no clue how to increase the font size here, so bolding will do). What's the relevance of this? Bikes weren't introduced to Japan until 1971! I can't place her exactly, but I can tell her story takes place after this. We will have to deal with this.
Of course, that was no help. As GamingZebra pointed out, the Japanese military used bikes in their invasion of China in WWII. So Rin is a serious issue that needs addressing. She is probably pretty modern, as PigNRun says, since she was working at a young age and her father was a salary person, but we might have to wait for something more concrete with her (got it, as I'll explain below).
In the revamped Ironworks of Misery, there is a calendar that, while faded, clearly states the year as 1972. Given the information that the original Killers are at least 30, we can definitely place Evan as coming from this time, as he would be well into his 60s, and if we assume his father was in his twenties when he was born, he would be in his 80s, maybe 90s. By this point, Evan would have taken over the mines, and would go on to, either on his own whim or by Archie's orders (depending on which lore you prefer), proceed to execute everyone in the mines, and then lock his father away before being taken by the Entity.
If you count the licensed Killers as canon (which I do, and there is a whole heap of evidence supporting this, including outright developer statements), then Leatherface arrived in 1973. Having actually watched the movie that came out in 1974, I know that the events of the first movie (where Leatherface actually comes from based on his last few paragraphs) took place on August 18, 1973.
The fake website BHVR made to tease the Artist known as Carmina Mora mentions how she gained notoriety during the 1970s through her art, which helps narrow her down quite a bit. It also establishes that her murals appeared over forty years ago, which to me stands out. It leads me to believe that we're looking at the mid-late 70s as opposed to the early years (which would be almost fifty years). Beyond that, however, there's not much to go on, so we have to settle for this. The Black Vale, who had apparently been molding her entire life, had lost control of her and tried taking her out, finally completing her transformation into the weird, inky bird lady we see now.
Halloween was released in 1978, and the timeline established in the movie makes it clear that it also takes place in that year. Since the Halloween chapter is mostly based on the first movie, it's safe to say that this was when Michael Myers was taken. Since his lore is kind of lackluster, I'm going to run with the assumption that he was taken after Loomis shot him off the balcony.
I had no idea where to place Lisa Sherwood, our lovable Hag, for the longest time. I always stood by the 1970's due to a resurgence in witch culture at that time. However, in Stroke of Luck, we can see people at the funeral wearing bell bottoms. There is another guy with an afro, African Americans and Caucasians are intermingling with little problem (that we can see), and Pam's English teacher was a "pill-popping bore." All of these were things that happened in the 1980's. Are all of these connections loose as hell. Yes, but it's the first true information we have in regards to Lisa's placement in the timeline. I'll take it.
EDIT (January 17): The Léry's Memorial Institute was condemned in 1983, allowing us to finish off Herman Carter. After his experiments become torture to find mind control (though, let's be honest, they always were), he murders everyone and the Entity finds him, but not before giving Otto Stamper the gruesome fate he deserved (regardless of universe, Otto is clearly a monster).
Although it's been removed from the store, the Demogorgon is still a permanent fixture on Dead by Daylight. As such, it remains in the timeline. When I initially looked it over, the lore we were given for Demo gives nothing for its placement. At first, I believed that it was the original Demogorgon from the first season in 1983, because it made sense from a satisfactory story point, and coincided with how Nancy and Steve were presented. However, Mikeadatrix pointed out that the Demogorgon we have uses the Season 3 model, seen at the very end. This coincides with the mish-mash of add-ons Demo has from all over the show and seems to make the logical answer the correct one. While disappointing from a story standpoint, it works from a logical standpoint and places the Demogorgon in 1985. It's better than it being a RANDOM Demogorgon at least.
The Cenobite known as Pinhead, formerly known as Captain Elliot Spencer, hails from the 1987 Hellraiser movie, very specifically. All of his add-ons seem to add up (besides the Original Pain, which was the first pin in Elliot's skull, and from what I can tell, Pinhead's origin wasn't seen until the second movie). Interestingly enough, I don't think the Entity planned for him to appear. As far as I can tell (with my limited knowledge of Hellraiser) the Lament Configuration can show up pretty much anywhere without explanation. It's entirely possible it showed up in the Trial Dwight was being chased in (since we can see he's the one who found it in the trailer), and he activated it without knowing the consequences, summoning Pinhead to the realms. Perhaps he saw the hooks placed around and decided to stick around for a bit, and the Entity just let him provided he follows its rules.
It's impossible to tell when Lisa Sherwood was actually taken, but she was 16 in Stroke of Luck, so it seems safe to say she could have been taken in the tail end of the 80's to the early 90's.
Originally, I placed Philip in the 90's due to his boss, Azarov. During the 90's, the Russian mob was pretty active, and Azarov's surname is clearly Russian, plus he gets rid of people with very moblike methods. Basing Rattman's statement about the original three Killers being at least 30 years old, looking at his apparent age in 1966 (he appears to be around eight to ten), we get the minimum years he could have been taken from being around 1986. This makes his involvement, however unwilling, with the Russian mob during it's most active time very plausible. It would put him in his forties, but I think he could probably pass for that age range. After Azarov reveals (or, in the old lore, Philip figures out for himself, which I much prefer) that Philip was turned into one of the same monsters that butchered his family a few decades ago, Philip loses it, becoming the angel of death that is the Wraith and being taken by the Entity.
Despite the numerous add-ons he has referencing later movies (and the existence of Tiffany's skin being entirely reliant on Chucky encountering her in Bride of Chucky), Chucky's lore makes it clear he was taken during the final act of Child's Play 2, taking place in 1990. In this timeline, his chant to Damballa doesn't work and instead summons the Entity to take him into the Fog. It also seems to imply that Andy and Kyle are somewhere in the Fog as well, but we'll probably never see them due to the fact that they are minors at this time.
I'm going to place Rin Yamaoka's archive, Steeped in Blood (which horribly butchers her name by the way), around 1991-ish. We know she practiced kendo, but that honestly doesn't help at all, since kendo became popular among women from 1960-1970. We do learn that, during her kendo training, Rin is in junior high. We know that she would later go to Takamatsu University (see below), which is where I got this timeframe. She seems to be on the older end of junior high (14-15), so I added 15 to her birth year (assuming she was 20 when she went to Takamatsu since she does not look much older than that, and found 1976, but that's honestly quite finicky), and that is how I got 1991. Obviously, give or take a few years, depending on the real, unknown numbers. We also learned that the Entity has been trying to get her father for a LONG time.
Danny Johnson's lore is told in the style of a newspaper, giving us something of a picture of who the Ghost Face really is. It tells us that he came to Roseville as Jed Olsen, a charismatic freelance reporter looking for work with the Roseville Gazette. Even though he can't verify his previous work, he gets hired on, and five months later, the first of the Roseville Murders would begin. It's unclear how long these murders would go on for, but eventually the events of Beneath the Mask would occur. Danny loses his mind over being parodied and brutally murders the three responsible, though he didn't credit this one to the Ghost Face because, technically, it wasn't the Ghost Face who did it, instead pinning it on either Tom becoming a copycat or a bad joke gone wrong. Presumably, it would be after this, he films "Ghost Face Caught on Tape," to give Roseville a proper look at the terror stalking their town. A few weeks later, he leaves Roseville, and the newspaper is published on June 18, 1993 (26 years to the day as his release date). When Danny reads it, it is a week old, leaving him to be taken around June 25, 1993.
As I've stated before, I usually don't consider cosmetics canon, but the Legion is different. Joey's Reaper-esque sweater/mask and Susie's pink haired sweater are both seen in the teasers for them and in their portrait. Through Susie, as well as the group photo that sends you to Ormond, we can establish that they were taken in 1996 at the earliest, something that Soldiers of Mayhem doesn't actually seem to retcon. Which, given how much of a disaster the rest of the archive was, is a good thing. I only have one explanation for this, and it's something that others have theorized. Memories vs Reality. In reality, Frank came up with the name, paying Jeff Johansen to paint it. Perhaps Julie saw this and forgot it later, but the image stuck with her. Same for her stabbing the janitor second instead of Joey. That was a traumatic event, and memories are generally mixed during them.
Rin was an issue to place for a long time. It wasn't until January 15, 2019 that it finally clicked in my head to check her university, Takamatsu University. I learned that it wasn't founded until 1996. This made that year the earliest she could have been taken. And she was likely taken later than that. She goes home one day to find her father performing his own vision of Kazan's rampage, he cuts her all to hell, and her wrath, established to have been growing since she was about 15-ish in her archive, got the Entity's attention, leading to her being taken instead of her father.
Based on Sadako's own personal lore, it seems the Entity took her shortly after the second movie, roughly around 1996-97. It seems pretty cut and dry... until you read Yoichi's lore, where she's still messing with him when he's an adult. Giving Yoichi a generous age of 23 (based on being the youngest professor at the university), this would put Sadako as being taken roughly around 2013. Right now, I'm going to just go with this being the Entity starting to reach out to Yoichi by using a nightmare it has access to and place Sadako in 1997 based on the confusing ending to her story.
The Nemesis was created by the Umbrella Corporation for the express purpose of hunting down S.T.A.R.S. members such as Jill Valentine. He appears to have entered the Fog while on the hunt for her, during the third Resident Evil game, which takes place in September of 1998. While our Nemesis is from the remake, the timeframe is still the same.
In 1999, the Demon Castle War took place and Dracula was killed once and for all. Though in Castlevania's story, he would reincarnate into Soma Cruz, that's not what happened in the DbD timeline. Instead, the Entity reached out to him, taking advantage of his weakened state so it wouldn't need to place a Mark of Negation on the being opposite of God, and led him into its Trials, where he can continue his vengeance against humanity forever.
Torment Creek mentions a storm that knocked over the silo happening in 2003. With the knowledge that the Entity creates the realms from the memories of the Killers and the fact that Max was young in 1963 (or was growing up around that time), we can safely say that he would be quite a bit older than 30 at this time, making 2003 the earliest he would be taken by the Entity to become the Hillbilly.
This may seem odd, but I'm placing Executioner Pyramid Head around 2003-2004 instead of the 90s like Silent Hill 2 took place. Yes, I know. BHVR have stated that our Pyramid Head was ripped straight from the mind of James Sunderland... but they themselves are the reason for this placement. The description for the P3 Pyramid Head says "A manifestation of guilt, this punishing force took shape in Cheryl's dreams and tormented her with nightmarish visions of gore." As I said with Caleb, I may not consider cosmetics to be canon, but their descriptions are fair game. Silent Hill 3 takes place in 2003 (according to 90% of sources I can find, since I've never played the games), and Cheryl (you can't make me call her Heather, even though I much prefer that name) was taken AFTER those events. There doesn't seem to be a clear time she was taken, but I'd say anywhere from a few months to a year, hence 2003-2004. Contrary to Pixel's poorly thought out fanfiction a popular misconception of his lore, Pyramid Head was not sent to punish the Entity, but rather entered into a deal to carry out his duty and punish Cheryl (NOT James) as well as anyone who got in the way.
The first licensed Killer tome to be released, Vain Ambition, seems to take place shortly before Saw II. My reasoning for this is John's condition. In Saw II, he's basically hooked up to an IV to survive, while he's still moving around (albeit very painfully), during Amanda's tome. However, his condition only got worse as Amanda created a game for Grace (which she might have survived, though that much blood loss makes it unlikely). Six months after Saw II, Saw III and Amanda's death occur. However, before she actually dies, the Entity takes her under its wing. The Saw timeline is all over the place, but given the movie's release in 2006, I feel confident keeping Amanda's placement here.
Albert Wesker finalized the creation of the Uroboros in March of 2009 with plans to unleash it upon the world. His DBD paragraph (actually, he's got TWO) establishes that he had literally JUST exposed himself to Uroboros when the Entity grabbed him. So, yeah, a fairly obvious placement.
Our version of Freddy Krueger is from the 2010 remake of A Nightmare on Elm Street, likely because they couldn't get the rights to Robert Englund's character, so they settled with Jackie Earle Haley instead (I know people are going to hate me for this, but I like this version of Freddy a little bit more, just without the sexual predator part. Englund's version got a bit too comical, and I like the burn effects).
I'm not exactly familiar with Tokyo Ghoul, and it doesn't exactly give many dates for its timeline. The wiki uses specialized dates based on when certain events occurred in regard to the Steel Beam Incident... which is the exact opposite of helpful. However, there is a single panel in the manga that shows a notebook with the years 2011-2012, and we know Ken Kaneki was taken shortly after his torture by Jason, which took place the same year that he became a Ghoul after his encounter with Rize. Based on my knowledge of how the Japanese school year works (Persona's my favorite game series, okay), I'm willing to bet that these events took place in 2011, as their school starts around the Spring, and Ken's torture ended December 20th. Which makes him one of the single most solid placements we've seen since Ghost Face.
Ji-Woon Hak has a very futuristic appeal to him, but I wouldn't say he's from the future. BHVR coordinated their efforts with the producer of BTS, so I figured that NO SPIN must be BHVR's take on the K-Pop group. BTS debuted in 2013, so I placed Yun-Jin bringing Ji-Woon into NO SPIN in that year as well. Now, I know what you're going to ask: What about the neon insanity around him? Well, I took that into consideration and looked up Seoul (where we know Mightee One was stationed) at night in 2013, and the place was Neon City even back then. So it seems that works out. After the first album came out, there is an untold amount of time before the fire that kills Ji-Woon's bandmates, but I'll say around a year between the release and the fire. It could be more, it could be less, I don't think it really matters. Ji-Woon would become the Trickster, stylized by Yun-Jin after the dokkaebi trickster spirits. Originally, I placed Trickster as being taken a year after the fire, since we know the Mightee One board meeting would take place on the year anniversary of that fire (it took me a bit to find the transcript, but Yun-Jin says "It's a year since the fire broke out.") But 1. That's not a realistic timeframe and 2. Dissonance for the Dead seems to retcon this. That, or this was never about the board meeting to begin with. Or the translation's wrong.
Instead, we see Ji-Woon and Yun-Jin on a concert tour in Rio de Janeiro, with a few years having passed since the fire. I looked into K-Pop concerts in Rio, and learned that there were TWO separate concerts during the summer of 2018. Given the rocky relationship between star and manager, I don't think it's too unlikely for their ultimate fallout in the board room to occur about a year later, in 2019. Which is the PERFECT time for him to disappear given he wouldn't be able to fulfill his famelust during 2020. This also makes more sense timeline wise, giving more time for the murders to settle in before the Entity ultimately takes both Trickster and Yun-Jin.
Adrianna Imai is complicated and simple at the same time. Her drones seem futuristic at a glance, but every component to them is stuff we've already had for years. Active Mode seems to use a sort of sonar or heat vision that allows it to see through walls, while Scouting Mode seems to use LiDAR, which is fairly common in the robotics industry she seems invested in. Her methods of acquiring and selling companies may be ethically questionable, but like Jonah before her, something being ethically questionable doesn't mean it makes her a criminal (the disappearances on the other hand would likely be investigated eventually. Once or twice would be a weird coincidence, but the consistent pace would likely set off some flags). As recently as Elon Musk and Twitter, this is a practice that is used today, meaning this can't JUST be some dystopian past. Her skins seem to mention a post-apocalyptic future, but it's difficult to tell how much of this is her being a daddy's girl who doesn't want daddy's fantasy world to be a fantasy anymore and actual reality. At the end of the day, if she is from the future, it's not a very distant one; maybe five years if you stretch it a bit. I feel comfortable with placing her in the early-mid 2020s. She would don the Skull Merchant persona from her father's Brazilian manga (which is a whole other can of worms, since manga literally just means Japanese comic, so it's like saying American Anime; it LITERALLY DOES NOT EXIST) and goes on a Most Dangerous Game style killing spree, eventually bumping into the Lyra siblings and chasing them into the fog. And with her Archive (which is only given the title Sonhadores Sombrios in the pictures) being a disjointed mess that I'm pretty sure includes one of the manga chapters as part of her memories, this is where I leave her.
Based on the security camera footage released during the lead-up to the Unknown PTB, we know it was still haunting Greenville on the day of the footage's release: February 15, 2024. This leads me to believe we have a Ghost Face situation with the day the Unknown was taken being the same day as its release: March 12, 2024. While trying to investigate it for her master's thesis, a student named Olivia imagined the Unknown and the Entity (well, the black fog that causes disappearances that WE know is the Entity) colliding. Somehow, this exact scenario takes place and the Unknown gets taken, VERY MUCH against its will, by the Entity.
In a bit of a surprising twist for me, the Xenomorph is actually NOT the most futuristic Killer like I was expecting it to be. The original Alien where our Xeno and Ellen are from took place on June 3, 2122; nearly two-hundred years before the actual most futuristic Killer. It's kind of difficult to argue with the literal Technical Manual about this, so that is where I leave it.
The Hux-A7-13 was brought online in the distant future of 2313, over 200 years after humanity nuked itself into near oblivion. Thanks to his Archive (which has no title once again), we know that he was shipped off the Dvarka (which is possibly LV-426/Acheron if the Nostromo Wreckage's realm is to be believed) almost immediately, alongside 09, 15, 05 and 20 and the Toba crew. Given how overgrown Toba Landing remains, I don't think it could have been much more than a month before 13 runs into a crystal that rapidly enlightened him. After running into the crystal, he gets the generic "human bad, machine good" trope of literally every single robot uprising story ever told implanted into his "brain". At the very least, he has the unique trait of becoming a reverse cyborg and has no remorse for the other Hux-A7s, but otherwise, it's super basic and safe. After destroying the other A7s and killing everyone but Gabriel (in Sarah's case, I'd be willing to call it self-defense if it weren't for knowing full well it was premeditated), Hux-A7-13 creates a new body for himself, made from alien metal and the cloned flesh of the Toba crew, which would ultimately get torched by Gabriel as the two entered into the Entity's domain.
TL;DR
Plague (Roughly 539BC)
Lich (581-586)
Knight (1392)
Houndmaster (1650s-1730s)
Twins (1678-1696)
Oni (mid-late 1700s)
Blight (1861-1862)
Deathslinger (1881)
Huntress (1918)
Nurse (1940s)
Dredge (1960s)
Clown (1960s-1970s)
Trapper (1972)
Cannibal (1973)
Artist (mid-late 1970s)
Shape (1978)
Doctor (1983)
Demogorgon (1985)
Cenobite (1987)
Hag (late 1980s, early 1990s)
Wraith (1986-90s)
Good Guy (1990)
Ghost Face (1993)
Legion (1996)
Spirit (Post 1996)
Onryō (1997)
Nemesis (1998)
Dark Lord (1999)
Hillbilly (2003)
Executioner (2003-2004)
Pig (2006)
Mastermind (2009)
Nightmare (2010)
Ghoul (2011)
Trickster (2019)
Skull Merchant (early-mid 2020s)
Unknown (2024)
Xenomorph (2122)
Singularity (2313)
That took way too long to type. If there are any glaring issues, please tell me. I'll see what I can do to fix them.
Comments
@VolantConch1719 , keep up the good work!
I know it's a day early (for me anyway, don't know about anyone else), but I honestly don't know when, or even IF, I'd be able to update this with Blight's actual release. I have too much work to do tomorrow and I like to get these done in a timely manner.
Same goes for Wraith's Archive when it's released in full. It might be severely delayed depending on how much I need to do.
I'm thinking right now. Is there a chance Sally and Evan's stories are linked? Could Sally's husband have been working in the MacMillan mine or is there evidence against it?
Sally's husband was lumberjack, not a miner.
was he? i must have managed to miss that then. thanks
I originally wanted to get Algebra of Infinite Night and Philip's final placement out yesterday, but there was no way I was getting it done with 1100 ping.
Sorry for this update being so delayed, but it's here now.
we might be able to pinpoint philip earlier than 1980s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_anti-Igbo_pogrom
Oh my gosh, thank you. I searched up "Nigerian killing crews" and came back with nothing, but this perfectly places his archive.
It won't have too much effect on his final placement, but it will bump it up.
With the MacMillan map reworks, there seem to be screens/monitors in one of the maps. Do you think this means Trapper is from a later time period, or the version of the map we're seeing is from a later point in time?
It's possible his final placement might change a bit (which is admittedly shaky where it is, due to his age being impossible to decipher). The first monitors like them were invented around 1950ish.
As the maps are taken from the minds of the characters, it's possible that Evan was taken a decade later than I originally thought, or there could (unlikely) be another Killer on the MacMillan Estate that we'll never see, hunting in the realms.
Nice work, this was very well done. Just so you know Heathers bio (You can't make me call her Cheryl) states she was taken 3 months after SH3, so her place is confirmed to be 2003-2004.
alternatively, the entity puts maps together from memories of various characters, survivors and killers alike. Like, we had the discussion about where Glenvale is, and I maintain the point that the 'real' one was in nebraska, but the entity put it into an arizona like desert, because it's more desolate.
Likewise the MacMillan estate could be thrown together from evan's emories and that of others, even earlier victims of the entity.
I will never understand why Harry named her Cheryl when the 7 year old Cheryl from SH1, for all intents and purposes, died.
Him expecting the reborn Cheryl to be the exact Cheryl he found on the side of the road with his wife is dumb. Reborn Cheryl would have different life experiences even just from the 7 year difference in the world around them, not to mention reborn Cheryl was raised having to hide from the cult.
It's like he was trying to use reborn Cheryl as a straight up replacement for the first one instead of letting her be her own person.
He didn't name her cheryl he named her Heather, Cheryl is the one who changed her name after sh3.
No he didn't, she literally says in the last line of dialogue in SH3 "Cheryl, the name my dad gave me."
https://youtu.be/pxJCX_zdJsc?t=246
Since Heather regained her memories from Alessa in sh3 it would make sense if she remenbered her life as Cheryl as well, so i always interpreted this scene as her way to honor the first name that Harry gave to her.
I spent a couple of hours getting Doors Unknown done, so here it is.
According to leaks by daylight (while this isn’t 100% confirmed they’re almost always right) Oni and Nurse will be in Tome VI, so that might help a bit. Oni could still be uncertain, but I’m sure Nurse will be pinpointed closer
So I just found something interesting about Talbot Grimes. It’s a decently well-known fact that each blighted killer has a tag on them. These tags have a symbol followed by 4 numbers. Well, on Plague’s tag, there’s a symbol that no other characters share. Posting a post on Reddit, I asked what it meant. I was told that it was the alchemical symbol for Borax. Here’s the thing though: it wasn’t used, as far as I know, until 1928. So how would he have known about it?
I can think of a few possibilities.
This could simply be a case of the devs being anachronistic (which they are no stranger to, as they called Huntress's home "Red Forest," but it only gained that name after the Chernobyl Incident, well after either World War).
It's also possible that they didn't realize this and just put it in as a cool design, especially since Talbot wasn't fully fleshed out then, so his time period was still up in the air.
From a lorewise perspective, time isn't fluid in the Entity's realm, so he could have possibly learned it from another Survivor and put it on the tag afterwards.
Ghostface hes been in California,Philidelphia, & Utah based off from his Add-Ons.
I would like to offer another possibility, which is that Talbot invented/discovered it in his quest for knowledge, but his findings were lost to time until 1928
Just want to say thanks for all the time/research put into this. :)
Well, twins are 1600s. That was pretty easy. Now we just need to narrow it down...
I think I've found something that can narrow down when their mother was killed, but I have a feeling this is going to be similar to Kazan where it's very vague.
I'll put things together when they come out, since I should have time to work on this then. Maybe something in their skins will give some idea of their time.
Hopefully
Can I pick your brain and ask what you think you’ve found?
A law was passed in 1624 that required witch hunts to be confirmed by the French Parliament, and witch hunts stopped being confirmed in Northern France in 1625, and Élodie is looking for Madeleine's skull in the Parisian catacombs (Northern France) from news reports from this time. It would make sense that the confirmed hunts would be reported in the newspapers for obvious reasons.
Finicky, I know, but it's something to keep in mind.
Ooh, interesting. Looked it up, seems as though most courts ignored this ruling though. An excerpt here reads “However, it is known that local courts ignored the recommendations of the Parliament of Paris, and those local witchcraft sentences which were never reported or appealed to Paris, is unknown or unconfirmed.“ interestingly, it notes that the last woman to be killed for witchcraft was in 1678, so that shaves 22 years off. Assuming they were born right as the 16th century hit, it would’ve been at least 1605 when Madeleine was killed. Considering they feared with hunters her whole life, she had to have been taken before the law was passed, so I’d say 1618-1625 is when she was taken.
Like I said, finicky.
I know, just spitting my thoughts. Fun to think about though
On the reworked map Ironworks of Misery you can find this calendar on the top floor of the main building:
There are a few loose ends, but perhaps Evan was taken by the Entity in January of 1972? I think Benedict Baker's journals were written in the 1950's, but if Evan was taken in 1972 then another mass murder could have taken place.
This actually matches up pretty well. By 1972, Evan's father would definitely be an old man that would require some caretakers (at least, in the older lore, since he isn't described as old now), and this would definitely match up with the monitors that were thrown into another map that someone pointed out.
Plus, I think they've completely abandoned Benedict Baker at this point. We haven't seen a mention of him since Clown, I think.
I will update this.
I have added the Twins. Unfortunately, their cosmetics gave me zero help, so I fell back on the finickyness six posts above this.
And don't worry, I will get to Hillbilly's archive sometime before Christmas. I just REALLY don't like playing him.
I will get to Hillbilly's archive sometime before Christmas. I just REALLY don't like playing him.
@VolantConch1719 Wiki have lore uploaded already, you can check it right now, if you want.
https://deadbydaylight.gamepedia.com/Tome_V_-_Unleashed#Max_Thompson_Jr.:_A_Man_Named_Boy
I mean, I could do that, but I actually want to earn the Archives rather than get them from an outside source.
It's just who I am. Sorry if this seems condescending.
The official dbd wiki, which is supported by the devs themselves, says that the hillbilly was taken to the entity’s realm in 1896.
*facepalm*
Benedict Baker is unable to keep track of his own time (starting his journal on September 12, 1956, but ending it in November of 1896). He is the literal LAST source I want to consult for timeline purposes.
His new lore "A man named boy" (I loved the story, by the way) mentions two TV series that Billy/Max liked to watch on TV: Adventures of Superman (which aired from 1952 to 1958) and Leave It to Beaver (which aired from 1957 to 1963). So his childhood and adolescence had to happen between the 1950s and early 1960s.
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In the reworked Blood Lodge map you can find a calendar dating to what looks to be January 1920, which is...strange to say the least. Perhaps the map designers had an oversight, or I misread the date. Or perhaps the calendar doesn't relate to The Wraith's timeline.
This seems more like an oversight than anything else. The sheer amount of evidence for Philip's placement far overrides this.
Azarov, or someone he used to work with, probably kept the calendar around for whatever reason.
is that actually a 2 or a 7?
I finally did it. A Man Named Boy is finally done. Sorry it took so long
It looks much more like a 2 to me, especially given the darker line at the bottom of the faded shape.
OP deserves an upvote for the level of effort put into this alone.
Damn man, I'm still impressed you can pull this ######### off
Unrelated to the post, but am I the only one that's kinda tired with old timey killers? every original killer released since plague was alive at least a couple centuries in the past, we haven't had a "modern" killer since the legion. Idk if anyone else has noticed this or really cares but I just hope that they release a killer that is clearly from modern times.
We still have much to explore with Talbot's lore, and I hope that it includes more information on his "transformations". He turns into the True Blight as we've seen, but then he reverts due to the fact that he looks nothing like the default appearance?
The trailer cinematic shows that he's heavily withdrawn on the serum, with a much raggedy cloak than what he wears in the archive cinematics. Some lore with add-ons, mainly the Eternal Blight Event Add-on: Blight Serum, implies that the transformation in the trailer cinematic is permanent as opposed to what is vaguely said about Talbot having transformed several times temporarily prior to the creation of his final iteration of the serum, Compound 34. While I'm certain we should expect more of Tablot lore before the change, I hope we finally get clarification if every transformation was truly temporary, including his "final/permanent" transformation.
I know this isn't exactly in relevance to OP's timeline, but this is merely expansion on what needs to be known about the character.
I think this is a new record for me. Getting Nurse's archive completed on the day it's ending released. I think even Blight was delayed by a day or two.
Also did some slight adjustments to Clown's early lore, since it was heavily reliant on Nurse's somewhat uncertain placement.