So nurse does impact perk balance
So the devs have decided to nerf awakened awareness because in their own words “This effect could be a little oppressive on certain Killers, especially when paired with Lethal Pursuer to extend the aura reading effect and Starstruck to make Survivors Exposed”
Now it’s pretty obvious the “certain killer” they are referring to is nurse. The only other user of starstruck is slinger and he can’t realistically capitalise on AA’s effect
Kinda sucks that perks are being nerfed due to one killer being too strong
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But this would be the case with the strongest killer regardless, maybe not for this perk but they will always have to take into account the impact any change will have on the strongest and weakest for that matter...
Yep, it is a farce at this point. Instead of fixing their Design Failure (aka Nurse), they nerf Perks because of her.
And I liked the Perk in general, I think it is a cool concept that you can get into the next Chase basically immediatly after hooking a Survivor (when someone is nearby). But it was scary to think about this Perk on Nurse due to Starstruck.
Obviously it has to be taken into account but when it’s a case of 1 of the 29 killers being too strong with a bunch of perks I think it’s time to evaluate that 1 killer as opposed to the perks
Yeah. It's the same as Thana being nerfed because of its effects on Plague and Legion.
Or the same as survivors being nerfed because of high tier swf, a minority in the players.
Some outliers do influence perk balance.
The thing with thana was that perk was actually being used by all killers after the buff. AA had no opportunity of being used on any killer but nurse and even then requires starstruck to be effective
This is a clear outlier that isn’t exclusive to AA
Are you seriously suggesting that AA was nerfed due to a different killer? What other killer could AA be too strong on?
Thana wasn't really used by everyone before, but it was at least a pretty decent pick for killers other than legion and plague. Now it's sadly completely useless on them, while being somewhat useful and strong on legion and plague. In my opinion it was a nerf done wrong.
For the record, it does appear that at the very least Nurses add ons need to be looked at either way.
I used to main her but I have not played killer since before her big bug fix and I rarely play DBD now either. Though I saw a vid Hens333 made highlighting the issues with Nurse now and it seems her bug fix buffed her and made her far easier to play than she used to be. I still watch some DBD streamers and I see every second match is Nurse on some days... so I can understand people are getting tired of it.
The strongest and weakest killers will always influence perks to some extent too... just like SWF vs solo will
Yeah it’s definitely legion and plague’s perk but it saw value on some others such as twins or Wraith. Now it’s just used on legion and plague
Same will happen here. Nerf AA because it’s too strong on nurse and make nurse the only killer who can use it
While this is true, against every other Killer it made sense to heal. So you rarely had the full effect of Thana or even more than one or two Stacks for a longer period of time.
They didn't specify AA was too strong, they said it was too strong with LP and Starstruck. Wesker is miles better with Starstruck than Nurse because of his naturally bigger TR, which makes it harder to avoid comparer to Nurse
100% killers influence perk balance but it sucks seeing all these potentially balanced options thrown in the gutter because it’s too strong on nurse
It’s about time the devs got to the root of the issue and actually changed her significantly
Wesker needs to be a 115% M1 killer to get SS value. Nurse can 1 shot you from a long distance through pallets and windows with SS
How is wesker the better user of it?
They said certain killers, so it's plural. I imagine they mean Nurse, Blight and Spirit. But yeah, Nurse would be the worst offender.
Plague and legion 100% get more value from thana. The point is that it was stilled used on some killers regardless which cannot be said for starstruck or especially AA
Does AA even do anything now? With no linger you won't be able to see survs after you hook.
Imagine thinking pre-nerf AA was good. 2.5/3.5s fatigue/2.7s cooldown + 3s pickup = 22/26/22.8m a Survivor starting literally right beside the Killer can run away before the pickup even finishes. As in, out of the 20m.
Slinger can use SS well but not really AA since he lacks the mobility nurse has. He can’t quickly capitalise on the value and struggles if survivors hold W away from the downed person.
Thana has always been a pretty awfully designed perk even now. Perks like SS and AA are pretty good and balanced on everyone but nurse which leads to them getting unfairly nerfed because of her
Maybe it was maybe it wasn’t. Point is the perk was nerfed because of nurse and her absurd synergy with SS and LP
They didn't have to... what other Killer could use LP, AA and Starstruck to that effect
Didn't the devs a long time ago admit that nurse is a thorn in their side because they feel they can't make good killer perks cause they're afraid it'll be busted on nurse?
It was awful and didn’t even need the nerf.
Feel like they're just delaying the inevitable, they're gonna have to nerf her eventually
Don't play dumb. It's clear as a day. No other killer capitalize as much as nurse from Exposed and Aura reading perks being active simultaneously. Because what ? Right, because her hoarse ass doesn't have special attack although it even has a separate Event score and still counts as a basic attack. Plus range, cooldown, additional blink addons for ability to ignore all of the defensive mechanics for survivors.
It's ok if you play her, just try to be not so obvious. The same people were yelling how bbq aura reading wasnt too good and how they all took it only because of bp, in hopes to get additional effect or dodge a nerf to existing one. Yet, it's most picked perk on killer side. 22%+ pick rate.
So yeah, I also agree when you have to balance game around 1 killer it's kinda disturbing to say the least. The rest of the roaster must suffer because of 1 particular broken killer. Seems very thoughtful and mature strategy. Keep it up, devs.
Yes and again the devs nerfed it because of nurse because they felt it was too strong on her. The point is that nurse is causing the devs a lot of hassle when it comes to perk balance
They’ll have to sooner or later. Nurse has been nerfed a huge amount but every time she creeps back up due to new options being added (That are balanced on the rest of the killer roster)
About time they actually fix her issues instead of slapping another bandaid on it like they have done in the past
Jesus Christ, NURSE is BROKEN and is not in line with other killers.
Bit rude and out of character for you…
Not surprising.
They should have made her blink hits a special attack instead of nerfing this perk.
BHVR just loves their bandaid fixes too much
As a former Nurse main I would just prefer they change Nurse instead of nerfing this perk for every other killer. Last I posted about Nurse this was pretty much why I said she needed to be changed somehow - She holds the game back for other killers.
To clarify on "former" - I quit playing her because I felt she was unfair considering I kept getting easy 4k's with the worst case scenario being I lose 3 gens tops. Only time I struggled was with the rare 4 man SWF death squad but I've only encountered two of those since 2016. That and I just got tired of people suiciding or DC'ing against her and I get why.
If I could make an immediate change to her it would be giving her second blink some sort of restriction such as it being a special attack. I'd honestly rework her to normalize 110 ms speed and balance her around that.
Yes these perks are useless because the devs have to design them around nurse. AA isn't inherently poorly designed unlike thana however
I call than poorly designed because it’s a “win more” perk that has value you can even feel in most matches. It’s very similar in nature to dying light in how it only activated when survivors are likely not doing gens (except for legion and plague)
AA on the other hand is made to exposed potential sabo plays and give info on where to go after the hook. This is fine on most killers but on nurse the info can lead to an almost guaranteed chase after every hook.
hahaha I’ve never been one for satire.
Isn’t making her blinks special attacks just another band aid though? We’re keeping her ridiculous ability to ignore pallets and windows but completely removing her build variety to “Balance it”
Feels like all this would do is create 4 regression nurse builds which isn’t particularly fun either
This is why they should just rework nurse, not adjust perks because of her lol.
The problem is that AA couldn’t be buffed without it becoming oppressive on nurse. The perk is doomed to be weak due to her
It would be better on Blight instead of Nurse, because Blight wouldn't want to use starstruck. Nurse would want to use starstruck, and if survivors saw the starstruck exposed warning, they can very often run out of of range before Nurse is done the hook animation.
I said that actually, still believe it too
The entity doesn't have to evenly apply the perks to all characters.
Nurses power would be fine in my book if they made her blink hits special attacks and changed some of her addons.
To be fair Nurse players would use 4 regression perks already anyway if they were really trying to win
Exposed perks aren't great on blight and aura ones aren't on spirit, there'd only be one killer realistically running AA/starstruck/LP