Nurse Mains: Just Stop.
You mastered a very difficult killer. You’ve proven your mastery thousands of times by the number of games you’ve 4k’d and chases you’ve won over great survivors, etc etc. It’’s still fun to do but everyone recognizes it’s a bit too easy at this point you know? It’s imbalanced, overpowered and just ruins games. As soon as people hear nurse and then either see someone downed inside 20 seconds or get downed themselves, it’s over. Suicide, DC, etc. So maybe it’s time to move on. Challenge yourself with something difficult again instead of resting on your laurels and treading well worn paths. Just a thought…
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So, 1 in 4 is a 75% win rate and 1 in 5 is an 80% win rate. And you’re not using the most commonly used strong perks. You’re helping prove my point. Thanks.
I'm only proving your point if you're moving the goalposts. Which you seem to do quite often.
I can assure you I've played more nurse than you. That's a lot of losing
Ah, so you are probably better than me then. So it's not terribly surprising that you'd win more often than me.
No.... Nurse needs to be changed because she actually is overpowered.
What “challenge”. Other killers are only a challenge inasmuch as it’s impossible to win against a team that predrops pallets and focuses on gens. The rare times you can win against these groups are because you play defensive and force them to die after 1-2 hooks. It’s boring gameplay. Nurse allows you to actually play
Someone is entilted
"What's most aggravating is that I know that the majority of killers know it's true as well." The misguided self assurance, its great such ego.
"But my play experience, and that of the majority of survivors I have to assume, is that over the hundreds of times I've faced her in the past year, it's almost always a slaughter except for the small # of times it's a new nurse player." You'd have to assume otherwise your point is meaningless and can be explained by you just not being very good at facing nurse and unable to accept it while also being unwilling to try and change that by improving at the game.
Nurse mains actually think that just because the absolute top tournament level SWF's, which no one sees in even a fraction of their games, can give an even match to the top Nurses, that every other player should be at an extreme disadvantage just because the killer chose Nurse. It is so ludicrous.
You’re welcome to my discord channel. We can chat while I play Nurse.
She already does screech after every teleport though. That's part of why people know it's her Right away and DC because they haven't figured out how to really play against her.
No. I often play without perk nor addons and when it happens what I think is "why does the MMR pits me against rage-quitting newbies".
It's rare though. Most of the time I go against decent or strong teams who play to the end (and win).
Given that I play against survivors who have not even 1000 hours and play right against Nurse, as well against survivors with several thousand of hours who haven't got a clue, I'm leaning towards: you simply don't know how to play against her.
Branding whoever doesn't agree with you "arrogant", basically branding him, using a basic fallacy instead of discussing doesn't weight towards your credibility.
I play enough Nurse to see survivors being able to do that just fine. I don't want to believe they were all genius-level IQ. After all there are only a few things to keep in mind to do it.
You see, the problem with all the ones ranting against Nurse is they they consistently demonstrate they don't know how to play. And when someone explains what they do wrong and what they need to do, they simply don't listen.
The basic points always come back to : play her, hundreds of matches, see how actually good survivors do it. (But of course it takes some effort.)
I've got about 3k hours now (on three accounts). I've more than 24k blink attacks on Nurse. I still lose pretty often.
How? Because contrary to the impression given in the "Nurse-OP" echo chambers, there are a lot of survivors who understand the game, understand her, know how to verse her and make it hard to win. Get that : I even lose in Midwich if I don't use an adequate detection perk.
It's also consistent with the last statistics offered by the devs.
To be fair, Starstruck rarely works against a good team, as for range addons they are mostly useful for map traversal (after the patch). What kind of survivor runs so predictably that a long range blink is able to get him? Not a very good one.
I'm not sure what the blink attacks have to do with anything, other than to show that you play lots of nurse, but I've got 40k -you can check-, and since I started gathering my stats on nightlight I can see I have a winrate (3k+) of 88% and a loss rate (0, 1 kill) oh 5%. I don't use add-ons and don't feel like they're needed at all, I only rely on aura perks + surge cause I'm too lazy to kick gens. My build has been basically fixed for the past 2 years
Nurse IS op when paired with strong builds. Even in those games I lose in terms of escapes, I never end up utterly rolled over, and it's always a 6-8 hooks games. What I'm saying is that if I were using add-ons the result would have been a lot more in my favor.
I also said multiple times that I think her power is perfectly fine, but the possibility to one shot and to traverse maps so fast is too strong. Her recharge add-ons should be slightly nerfed, but overall they're fine. If they turned her post blink attack into special, we would definitely see more players running stacked slow downs (although she definitely doesn't need them), but there's nothing to do about it unless the devs overhaul the system into a points/perk system.
That's the point of giving that number, yes. A player with 6k blink attacks doesn't play as well as one with 12k and so on. Not sure how I can check (would love to) but what it shows is that if you play a lot, you get better with her. The proportion of players with that much experience is rare and it's pretty much normal to win against less experienced players. Surely everyone can understand that.
I'm sure my win-rate will be higher in a few thousands of blinks. Especially given that to improve faster I often play with nothing at all (or only Franklin, because it's too funny against clickers). I sometimes get rolled over, if I can't find the stealthy survivors on certain maps.
He's the one who mentioned his own stats to begin with, I just expanded mine with more data. Anyway why should I bother discussing with someone who unironically says "nurse needs range" and "she's not that strong" like keklomao
You :
Hens's team is above your average swf in MM, so ofc this Nurse struggled and lost.
Me :
The Nurse is a comp player that is above your average Nurse from MM, still struggled and lost versus your average MM team.
Just because Hen's team use a map image doesn't mean it's something special when literally every competent SWF does the same call outs just minus the map image.
Your average "good" team in DbD gets crushed by your average "good" Nurse.
Ayrun above your average "good" Nurse struggled and lost to your average dbd team that doesn't use comms.
this thread makes me want to equip double range and startstuck and go slug teams at 5 gens
She's not the best killer, she's the ONLY killer to play in this game sadly. If you play any other killer you in a disadvantage towards survivors to begin with.
Sorry for trying to win a videogame kekw
Honestly, I really blame BHVR for not being transparent and providing the community with stats and data. I firmly believe that when you look at the data fairly, nurse has the highest win rates in the game and would go beyond what is considered balanced. But I can't prove it and no one else here can prove their points either. We all have to argue our own subjective experience and things we've seen so nothing will get resolved. Bad on you BHVR.
The data is looked at "fairly." You specifically want the data from Nurse mains, lol. That is cherry picking, fam.
Jesus. Can you not even agree with a simple statement I make? "Fairly". Look it up in a GD dictionary. Synonym: unbiased.
They count hook suicides as kills, they don't throw them out like they do DCs. If the majority of survivors just give up vs her, in what universe would her kill rate not be inflated?
You need to be more careful with those blinks Sally, you seem to have given yourself a concussion of some sort
Exactly, I am disagreeing with you as you specifically want biased data. No offense, but if I disagree with you a lot, you probably have some emotional opinions... Obviously. I do not do that, you need logic to win over the God of face camping.
Asking people to stop playing Nurse is the same to ask survivors to stop playing with their friends lol
“It’s a bit too easy?” Nurse and Blight are the only ones who stand a chance at top level. Survivors have way too much resources and broken ######### that playing any lesser killer is essentially an automatic loss or damn near close to it. Especially, with the whopper 6.2.0. You sound like the type of player that wants perks and other mechanics to carry you rather than assist you.
No dude. You just deliberately misinterpret my words and I'm tired of having to clarify. Where did I say I want biased data? That's you. All you. I have no problem with facts. I want facts. I understand the scientific method. Unbiased, peer reviewed. objective results. Maybe you don't understand since you don't understand science or data analysis. BHVR takes all the raw data of the games and then breaks it out in ways that make sense. Fairly. You can look at data matched by MMR or by Peak vs non-peak hours, etc. I think they should be able to account for DC's and suicides by creating a field in the data that counts the time on the hook. If it was very short (flag it as a probable suicide). Then you could look at the data with that flag or not. There are plenty of ways to look at data. I'm not interested in pushing a false point. I'm looking for the facts.
Learn to play the nurse at a good level and you will learn to counter it
I personally believe the game is killer sided vs solos and survivor sided vs swfs. I think most people do. So if nurse is one of the only killers that can compete with swfs then she's decimating solo teams. But haven't we already heard that facing a high rank swf happens like 6% of the time? Is it fair for just about everyone who faces nurse to be slaughtered just so the nurse player can hold his own vs the very best teams? No. That's not what game balance is supposed to be. This is balancing the game around an outlier. I mean if that's fair, then it would be fair from the survivor side as well right? A nurse levels the playing field in the unfair high level swf situation so that the game is not survivor sided vs swf anymore when using her. So since the game is killer sided vs solos, solo survivors should be buffed enough to take on the strongest killers, like nurse. Right? That's analogous to the nurses beating strong swfs situation. If you have a right to deal with your 'unfair' / unbalanced situation, then why shouldn't survivors? Now I realize it's impossible to do that for survivors since you can't buff solos and not swfs realistically, but I think the point is fair.
For all your talk of facts, you kinda ignored the post telling you that the data you are requesting would not be factually accurate. Again, BHVR does not collect data properly because they knowing ignore variables that have a direct impact on their info's end result. its part of why they don't release it very often, because some people will use incomplete data to try to push false narratives, others will see its incomplete data and thus irrelavent, and the rest will just be like "oh cool behind the scenes numbers" and go about their day.
Thanks to this post I decided to play omegablink nurse this whole week
No I didn’t. But it’s inconceivable that a gaming company, built in the digital world, is not collecting and using data to understand their game. If they collect data to understand it, they can release what they know. “Not factually accurate” is ridiculous. They either don’t want to release what they know or feel they can’t properly explain it or have horrible data analysts. Either way, fail BHVR.
Oh they're collecting it, they're just not willing to do so properly and knowingly letting it be corrupted. They have commented that they do not have any way internally of separating hook deaths from hook suicides. That in itself makes those stats inaccurate as they knowingly ignore crucial data, especially since one hook suicide can often be a massive contribution to the fate of up to 3 others in the same game.
Theres like....10 MLG nurses in this entire community...say it wit your chest...by name!