Tunneling is worst than ever, stop defending it
Yeah another tunneling topic, yeah we know the song its a legit strategy but wow, now as a solo Q I feel lucky when i'm matched with someone that doesn't hard tunnel every game, or camp
And there is most of the time no genrush, no toxicity, to me its not a question of counterplay, its just "i dont want to play fair, because i dont mind about other people fun so let's bully them for no reasons "
I had to bring back my DS which is, even added to BT, still not enough to counter it in my opinion
Plus this event is totally failed, since they get tons of BP for playing like jerks. The idea was to reunite people, but it divided more than ever.
I cant imagine new players on DBD how this behavior can keep them playing ?
This + lag issues = Unplayable game.
No thanks
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Read it again
"Targeting a recently unhooked survivor" Correct!
"choosing to ignore easier targets" not correct. the unhooked player is the EASIER TARGET. One hit down unless your saved with bt, then another easy 2nd hook if u dont have DS.even if your left on the floor, thats easy pressure, now theres at tops only 2 players on a gen while you chase the guy who unhooked.
Survivors ignoring everything else, even saving teammates on hooks on dying state to smash a gen out is basically the same thing as killers tunneling survivors. your ignoring other objectives.
You have DS, BT, Camaraderie, and Dead Hard to avoid camping and tunneling.
I'm gonna go tunnel some people right now. And get a 4k, too because they'll guaranteed rush the hook.
To me its clear now after reading all of this, most of the killer mains are hypocrites
Tunnel and 4k complete. And it was on Coldwind (fractured cowshed) as Nemesis vs a 4-man SWF including a TTV who was very salty. But know why they lost? Because they wouldn't stop circling hooks and going for unsafe saves. Zombie gangbang all day long.
Ez.
ah yes.... the entitled survivors. I won't bring DS won't bring Borrowed Time and you are not allowed to tunnel me :smiely_face: i want my 2 free perk slots AND not get tunneled. Whats that? you think you should use your brain and do whats smart for you? Don't you watch movies the killer always dies and loses. Now be a nice killer and act dumb and lose for me. :smiley_face:
Learn to read before ( trying to ) troll, we all use DS and BT here. We all sacrifice two perks slots for unfun perks because 90% of killer mains plays like jerks. So the entitled guy here is only you, ( the one that cant insert real emojis and making mistakes last line of his speech. ) you better say nothing when adults speaks
Thanks for being honnest killer main and showing the truth of our speech out there :)
LOL!!
Red rank killer. I NEVER tunnel and still get constant 3 and 4ks. I'm just that good I guess. Never camped or slug either.
Teach the rest of us. Including ohtz who camps/tunnels/slugs all the time. We could all benefit from your wisdom
Otz doesn’t tunnel that often though
Lol body blocking a hook isn't exploiting anything. Devs have said its not cheating and it's fair. They give us killers perks to even counter the body blocking. Your own fault if your don't want to use it. Survivors have every right to try and save their teammate. I played with friends and a killer did what you did. But dc'd because we still got the save with bt and the one saved also had ds. We again helped body block them out too after killer got hit with ds. Don't get mad when you still lose by being trash
BT and DS don't deter killers anymore. I've taken to running BT every match because it's gotten so bad.
As someone who also plays both agreed 100%
This.
The best way to punish a hook camper is to go start gens, and it has pretty much always been that way.
But he does do it when necessary. Ive seen him do all 3
Also, survivors should stop tunneling gens if they don't want killers to tunnel their friends.
You learned absolutely nothing from this, did you?
Just wow.
Disagree, ds is amazing and since the event almost every game it's giving me mileage, unless you're in a really bad spot where the pallets are gone, ds has been a game loser for the killer many many times this last week. I might get facecamped on 2nd hook but everyone else gets out. that's a W
Yes when necessary, not at 5 gens.
Very few complaints on these forums include "at 5 gens"
I agree face camping/tunneling at 5 gens is kinda sad. Also, i was responding to someone thats in reds that claims to NEVER camp/tunnel/slug yets gets 3 or 4 consistently. My point was, even ohtz cant say that so he must know some trick nobody else knows if he isnt full of ######### and should teach us
There is no trick to it, if you are good you won’t have to camp or tunnel even against the best survivors.
Then why cant the best killers in the world do it 🤔
If you're getting tunneled then keep making laps around the loop. They are guaranteed a loss.
okay... XD this is so eksdee i can't even understand what are you not understanding. You get to play how you want. and the killer gets to play how he wants. He is not a jerk because he tunnels, and he is not a Jerk because he camps. Its 100% entitlement if you think he should accommodate his playstyle to WHAT YOU WANT, when clearly you are not on the same team and don't share the same goal. Not to mention im born in like 1994 even tho i am immature, definitely not a kid XD thats another eksdee. You play the game for what is not what you want it to be. 99% of the times survivors unhook in bad scenarios and are under manned for the task. You want to unhook as a solo while the others all are pushing gens. thats only the tip of the iceberg of what actually happens in games, the fact that you don't understand that you are TELLING the other side how they should play because thats how you want them to play is utterly insane . broski there is 0 issue with tunneling or camping.
Ah yes, the 'We use meta because Killers are jerks' defense.
Man, Survivor mains really will blame Killers for every single thing they don't like, huh?
The interesting part I found of your argument is stating that the killers attitude is "i dont want to play fair".
Who defines what "fair" is? Sounds like you're attempting to impose Chapter 7 of The Survivors Rulebook for Killers.
"Fair" is what's defined as acceptable gameplay by BHVR. They've stated innumerable times that tunnelling (and there are a myriad of definitions for that term as this thread has shown) is perfectly acceptable.
The fact that other players don't want to play the game in a manner you prefer is, quite frankly, a "you" problem.
Just remember - when you decide to "punish" for an unsafe unhook by downing the unhooked survivor - you're punishing the wrong person. Chances are very good they are cursing up a blue streak on their side of the monitor about why someone who is being chased is trying to unhook. So the person you're punishing is the victim in the unsafe play, not the perpetrator. If you want to punish someone for making a bad play, at least punish the person actually doing it, not the victim of the action. I say that as someone who often has people come and unhook me who have no business doing so because the Killer is right behind them - it's not as though the person on the hook has any way to tell them not to.
I think people defending tunnelling so vocally don't see the bigger picture with this - it may be a 'legit' strategy, but by doing it from the beginning of a game, you are creating an unfun game for 4 other players - the one who is being tunnelled, plus their 3 team mates who get very little interaction with the killer while they are tunnelling. I don't like it whether I am the one being tunnelled or the team mate of someone who is, as the 'solution' proposed by most killers is 'oh just do gens then' which is fine, but that's boring. I want some balance and variety in the game - not either be tunnelled out of it, or sit on gens for a few minutes while someone else on my team is. Perhaps that's just me - shame on me for expecting a game to be fun and to be able to participate in all parts of it huh?
Oh and I define tunnelling as situations where the killer will go out of their way to deliberately and consistently target one specific survivor, I have been in many situations where I have deliberately tried to get the killer to go for me instead if I'm not being tunnelled, or they have had obvious other targets when I am being tunnelled, and they don't. Are they obliged to? No. But is it a scummy way to play, that is going to put people off and discourage them from playing? Yes.
If you don't see an issue with it as far as the health of the game in general goes, then good luck to you - enjoy your boring games where you tunnel people out of the game and then others quit or give up so you get your 4k because winning is more important than having fun.
IMO BT is the only mandatory survivor perk around now. The game is just not worth playing without it.
100% agree. That's what makes it feel so scummy.
Survivors doing gens is worse than ever! Stop defending it!
Survivors doing gens is an objective.
Tunneling and other toxic behavior isn't an objective. It's a chosen tactic used by toxic Killer players to obtain their objective - hooks/sacrifices. Understand the difference. If you wanted to compare, you should have said "gen-rushing" because, like tunneling, it's a tactic.
Otz is tunnelling lmao.
And he said once, kill one of the survivors before last 2 gens for win. And yes, he is right. Patrolling for last 2 gens with 4 survivors is nightmare. 3 survivors more easy.
Same as the jaded killer mains on this forum
every game is against some seal team 6 sweat lord swf team with 4 purple flashlights and doing 5 gens in less that 2 minutes.
you are all as bad as each other.
Just a reminder of a few things:
The opponent is not responsible for what you consider 'fun'.
I don't like getting smashed in fighting games. Does that mean I can tell my opponent to stop fighting as hard, aka 'stop playing like an ass'?
The opponent should not be expected to farm, or give you free unhooks/hits/kills/escapes/gens or 'last hatch'.
I see this all the time when I play; Survivors who get angry because I went for the 4K like 'sweaty killer'. Where did this sense of 'I lived longest, so I get a free escape' come from? And why does it never work in reverse? In 5 years of playing, a 4 man escape has NEVER given me a free kill.
You don't get to make up rules on what you consider 'toxic'.
Survivors don't get to tell Killers that they can't tunnel/camp/slug. I don't care how much it hurts your feelings when it happens. Likewise; Killer's can't tell Survivors that they can't genrush, twerk, and flashlight-clicky.
If we extended this to other games, I'd have people raging at me in Overwatch because I used a voice line or taunt when I killed them.
And you also realize YOU are making the game toxic for yourself? That Killer who tunneled you? Probably did it because you were wounded, not to 'ruin your game'. That Survivor who twerked after dropping a pallet? He's trying to make you chase him longer, NOT to 'be an ass'.
It's less common that someone is trying to 'ruin your day', because most people are not the toxic trolls people think they are. But everyone wants to be the tragic hero in their own story, so that Killer just going for kills is a 'Toxic jerk who camped everyone' and that Survivor who twerked at 2 pallets turns into 'The jerk who twerked all the way out of the game'.
Then they can 'fight to change the rules' and be the hero.
Likewise; you don't get to decide what your opponent can and cannot do to win.
I see it all the time on this forum. Mostly from Survivors demanding tunneling/camping/slugging be changed/removed/punished. Sorry, but that's the truth. You know why most games have set rules, and the players can't alter those rules?
Because most players will try to find a way to use the rules against their opponent to make it easier to win.
It DOES NOT MATTER how camping/slugging/tunneling/genrushing etc. make you feel; they are tools your opponent uses to win. The problem is not that you dislike the method; the problem is that you dislike losing.
If tunneling did not work; would you still hate it? No.
If camping never got a Killer a single kill, would you hate it? No.
If slugging did not make you bleed out, would you hate it? No.
If genrushing did not end matches in 5-6 minutes, would you hate it? No.
The problem is not the method, it's the result.
And THAT is why I will always, ALWAYS call out these threads for what they are, as well; thinly-veiled attempts to control the opponent & take away their tools for winning. IE: To give yourself an easier game.
Does that mean that things should not be changed? No. Things can always be improved.
In the vein of 'genrushing': If you were to add 20 seconds to each gen; that's an extra 1:40 to the match, which might make Killers camp less, as they would feel less pressured from the first second a game starts.
I do remember, when DBD started, before gens were done at hyper speed; Killers did not camp because camping is boring, and they had the time to hunt for Survivors, and could give up unhooks while trusting their skill to get a new hook.
Now; every chase is 2-3 gens done, and every hook is 'If they get free, I don't have the time to find someone new for 2 chases, so back up the wounded guy goes!'.
Killing survivors is an objective. Last time I checked, there was no rule to gatekeep how that objective is achieved.
Tunneling isn't toxic. It's a legitimate strategy. You not liking something doesn't make it toxic. It makes you toxic for thinking you're entitled to be allowed to reset over and over.
I’m starting to wonder if tunneling and face camping is a “rank thing?” Red rank killers don’t need to do either & usually don’t for the most part. They tend to lean more so towards slugging (which IMO is fine) if the game is shifting away from them. Whenever we get rank reset and I end up with Purple or Green rank killers, I see an uptick in tunneling- especially green. This is just my experience, though. May be different for everyone else.
We must be going up against different red ranks. I would estimate that 80% of the red rank Killers I go up against engage in tunneling and camping. And it's no better on the survivor side, either. I can't count the number of times I've been in a match, aghast at the toxic behavior of a survivor, only to find out at the end they were red rank. Hell, just last night, last two survivors in the match are me and a Bill. I watched as he left me slugged on the ground - the Killer didn't hook me, just went looking for them, and they spent the entire time hiding in a locker / sneaking around the map, waiting for me to bleed out, whereupon they grabbed hatch. Yep, red rank.
I only defend tunneling when it's the killers only/last option. Otherwise, it's pathetic xd
Why are survivors camping and tunneling my gens? I kicked a hot gen - go and get another one. Why are you standing right in front of my eyes and running up to touch him as soon as I move away a little? Dirty campers and tunnelers. I want a perk similar to DS. Which destroy hot gen and spawns a new cold one in its place if survivor touches him within a minute after I kicked it.
Sounds stupid, don't you? Survivors genrush to win faster. Killers camp and tunnel to win faster. Suddenly.
When someone doesn't play the way I want, it's pathetic 😆
I play lots of the killer roster and I'll say this about tunneling. If you get unhooked and then sit around the area trying to self-care or just be cheeky while everyone else booked it...I'm going to down you all over again.
I swear that 75% of the times I "tunnel" (hit the same person who was most recently unhooked) it's because they are potatoes and it would be dumb of me not to. Granted I'll take out the survivor through tunneling if it's clear they are the MVP. You bring a high rank into your low-level team and it's super obvious I'm going to rush them down. This is the best possible tactic to ensure I win the round and I won't self hinder the W to appease the other 4 players.
95% of the time tunneling is mischaracterized by survivors. I get accused of it by low level survivors when they make it into my game. Generally, they are hanging around hook, trying to be overly altruistic, not sneaky, bad at looping, dont have good map knowledge or how to play tiles, or generaly just salty. It is also not tunneling if someone is hooked in between you. I hear "tunneler" because someone dies on hook when only two others get hooked once.... but they are going for saves or unhooks.
ALL OF THAT to say .... tunneling is as much of a strat as gen rushing.... looping.... flashlight saving .... abusing endurance perks... etc.
It is a stupid arguement to have. It doesnt happen in red ranks very often. I have 3k hours and solo survivor for at least 1000 hours.... I have very few times that I have ever been tunneled and even if you get tunneled... go next. The more experience you have... the better you get at avoiding getting hit and the less chance you have of dying fast. Be introspective. Do people camp and hook? yes. Do survivors hide in lockers and not do gens? yes.
When I got a new account to see what it was like to come up in 2021 to rank one.... the low levels
Define tunneling. People love blowing up that term. If you're the type that thinks that being on deathook, and the killer prioritizing you because of it is tunneling, suck it up. That's not what it means. No one should be expected to play handicapped for you.
If it's the killer hooking you right after you're on the hook and there's a lot of gens left, my condolences.
so much hyperbole.
I think you'll find the "Tunneling is worse than ever!" statement is more likely "I get angry when I feel tunneled and I'm always angriest after being tunneled and so its always worse than ever because I'm angriest about it now!".
My game experience is no different than it was last week or the week before that, maybe a slight uptick in players that seem less experienced and a longer wait time for killer but a big DLC just dropped and there is an event on, you'd expect both those things.
The only quantifiable gripe is the stutter and lag which seems really bad at the moment and makes me want to pause playing till things improve. People should be focusing on that as its a fixable performance issue affecting a number of players.
I'm consistently a rank 1 survivor every season and I've never experienced tunneling or camping and escape 70% of my matches. I guess I'm just that good.