Idea for Spirit counterplay
I haven't seen anybody suggest this, but what if Spirit got more counterplay in the form of chase music? Maybe certain instruments can play when she starts phasing or something like that. I think it'd be a pretty cool addition and it wouldn't be a boring nerf like making her move slower or muffling sounds when she phases.
What do you guys think of this idea? (This is just an idea, not saying that she needs to get nerfed hard.)
Comments
>That's fine the outcome is still a win for killer with that scenario. Lots of pvp games can turn at any given moment. I think if there was a clear win condition then it would be better to analyse the data. Currently most killers are between 2-3 kills average red rank. That's more of a killer team win rather than a survivor team win in my book. Watch your use of the phrase 'by definition'. By definition of what? lol awkward phrasing.
And none assymetric pvp games use such kind of stats as a measure of things. You picked on my wording, minor moments but ignored the main argument - judging by kill rate in a game where earning a "kill" has less than nothing in common with something being strong or not is a wrong approach in the first place.
I didn't even mention another main reason why killrate stats are flawed - they don't consider disconnects (early DC = death sentence for other survivors), presence of SWF, items, addons and perks used and many other factors that greatly affect the outcome. All that Killrate stats show is: Killer, killrate and rank. Nothing else.
>Where did you pull that stat from? aha
From the same place Spirit haters pull "it's a guess" argument.
>I'm aware that it's a distraction from the killer. That doesn't mean they're going to commit to searching. It begs the question: Why are you so against chase? You have this demeanour that you're a terrible player if you're good at chase. I don't get it.
Yet another masterful evasion of addressing the main argument.
>Stealth is a pretty clear cut very little micromanagement skill for survivor. That's why it's not replayable like chase. Many of the top killer content creators share an enjoyment out of chasing survivors. It's a huge part of the gameplay for killer and survivor. Stealth means not doing generators.
Being thrilled by killer passing by is pretty replayable, people just don't give it a try, because it's much easier to them to wait until killer is right near them and then run away with SB and start a chase.
>Audio. You're tracking with audio. You see tall grass movement too. You're going to say walk then. You can still hear breathing. A good spirit player gets very accurate with this.
Tracking with audio really works when survivor is injured. When they are not, all other sounds are usually overwhelmed by whoosh sound, unless you turn on your volume to maximum, but in that case playing spirit is harmful for your ears.
>Please stop using your one liner 'mental gymnastics' and please stop bolding words. Keep it civil
I'm calling things their names. You twist my words, pick on awkward wording, create strawman arguments and avoid answering my main points. You are also trying to make it person by indirectly insulting me (calling me terrible player for example).
>How is that provocative? What? Just say no lol
Alright, I'm saying No. I'm not going to waste my time playing with a person who is too stubborn to accept any kind of arguments or facts that contradict his view and who will twist even the most unfavourable things for him in his favour and call it a win. That would be pretty worthless, you've yet to prove anything on words, why do you think you'll prove anything in action?
You haven't given in an inch. And I'm stubborn.
This game is pioneering a genre so reliable statistics for balance is not kill rate. I agree. However, spirit is still performing better. In pick rate too.
What's the main argument? I'll address it next.
No it's not. I'm sorry but after thousands of hours I'm not thrilled by the killer running by anymore. Theres no way you can convince me otherwise there. I'm sure some players can get behind me on that.
You're still tracking with audio and downing with audio. Visuals are scratch marks too. You argued downside of phasing. There really isn't a downside. It's highly highly versatile whenever the survivor is near it healthy or injured. Naturally it's easier to track an injured player though.
I'm not twisting your words. I'm trying to address them. Name something I twisted and didn't say how it is. Dot point your main argument and I promise I'll directly answer. I do feel I'm not getting that same respect though. I am trying my hardest to take you seriously. Sorry if you took offense to anything wasn't my intent. Sorry.
Yeah so say no and leave it at that. No need to justify it. Was just an idea. You're really provoking me with that last line but I digress and will leave it.
Can they just remove her passive phasing?
It's annoying when she doubles back and disappears so I don't know which way to turn in that half a second and end up getting hit.
I've already accepted that her power is what it is and I will end up getting hit 80% of time if they use headphones, be it if I crouch or if I run to the next tile, I just cannot counterplay her.
So please let me loop her at least when she's not using her power.
You're so triggered, lol, calm down before contributing to the discussion
Alright this is last response then.
Nah pretty sure I brought a lot to discuss mate. Even with your vague answers at time, I can see Spirit's state means a lot to you. Each to their own. Still think she is unhealthy in current state.
A little annoyed with your snarky behaviour I was genuinely happy to have a discussion on spirit. You seem to have a premeditated response to everything I say though whether or not it actually answers the question.
Exactly, you think.
I disapproved all your arguments and you keep picking on words and doing other kinds of mental gymnastics. I won this discussion long ago.
i think a saxophone should play when she phases
Let suppose that i literally learn the playstile of someone that i never have seen in my life
Would still remain the main problem
She is boring to go against.
Sorry guess this one's the last reply out of sheer pity.
Mate. "Disapproved"? Are you sure that's the correct term? aha
Call it what you will; that's the third time you've used the same one-liner. Yikes.
Oh you won? Well done dad didn't even hear the fat lady sing. You're sooo good at this sweetie.
I'll remember you when spirit receives her next change. I'll let you know I was on the old ruin nerf train, first spirit nerf, mori nerf, PH nerf and recent undying nerf train. I tell you I have argued with people who struggle to argue just like yourself. I'd produce similar arguments on reddit and here. I must not know anything. The only other thing that hasn't changed yet is the noed rework train.
You know nothin' Jon Snow.
Good luck, I hope you get it your way.
You fleed because you lost =)
I play both survivors and killers, and I play Spirit too.
The best way to counter her lies in some perks: Iron Will negates her capabilty to find you while phasing. Of course, you need to stop running in order to not show your position with scratches.
That said, fixated is the ultimate combo with iron will against spirit. Since it has been buffed so you can walk faster while injured, this is the best perk combo to counter spirit.
Holding W around large or indoor maps, areas full of god pallets and safe pallets, stacked second chance perks at every opportunity....plenty on the survivor side is boring too. Deal with it.
That is actually a good comparison, in both scenarios there isn't much the player can do and as such it becomes a unfair and unfun situation to be in.
I don't have a problem with mindgames, in fact I believe that's its absolutely necessary to have in the game but when spirit phases there isn't any clue or hint on where she could be and it becomes a guessing game which isn't fun. With normal mindgames you atleast have some information to go off of but spirit gives you nothing to work with at all.
I don't want permanent vision on her on all times, I don't want her to be gutted but all im asking for is some kind of hint, even if it's small, that she's phasing in a chase. She'd still be a strong killer.
Sorry to say but if like, if your problem is literally that, it just seems that you need to get gud
So if something is boring for killer the killer needs to get gud but if something is boring for survivor it needs a nerf. Certainly no bias in you is there.
that's your problem. are you going to stay in a structure against a nurse. no because you will get hit. then why you stay in a structure when you know she can move fast.
I don't always stay in structures against a spirit unless I'm stuck in a deadzone and it's my only option, and even if I do run away the spirit will usually realize quickly that the scratch marks lead away from the loop, thus they catch up quickly and you get whacked, or if I start walking away they pay attention to the grass movements or the breathing sounds.
Unlike spirit, Nurse gives the survivor information on what she's going to do. When she activates her ability it makes an audio cue for the survivor and the survivor can see how long she holds her blink for. Just before she blinks a smoke trail appears and shows where she will be going.
I really need to explain the difference between an killer being boring and you literally complain about walking
The word 'bias' doesn't look good on you. Just saying.
I do understand that it's boring to deal with god pallets/windows. That doesn't discount the fact spirit has this issue for survivor.
No, people act like she needs to have some degree of reliable counter play. Guessing is not counter play and Spirit's entire power is "guess what i'll do next." Is she phasing? Is she just doing the stand still mind game? Can she hear me? When you lose to hear there's no satisfaction, because you can't play better against a Spirit, they just hear you or see you and catch up to you and you die.
Why do people act like Spirit has reliable counter play?
true true.
I respect you for it. The amount of people that drop a killer or weapon in other games just because they got nerfed and aren't broken is way too high and its annoying that people just wanna use the busted stuff
Thanks. I honestly am pulling for her to not be an S tier killer anymore. A tier or maybe very high B tier would be fine. I don’t want to seem like a try hard for playing a killer that I love.
I'm the same way. I don't wanna play S tier especially in a game like this nobody will enjoy going against it. After freddy's rework I became a Legion main and after being tired of playing hot garbo I decided I'd commit to what I said before and try to git gud with Huntress and I love her and playing her is fun and very rewarding if you do well.