Should this "killer tech" be considered exploit?
https://twitter.com/JaneRomero_/status/1285286538360893444?s=19
So here we can see the clip of a normal run where the survivor is getting chased and she decides to go down and get inside again of the asylum, but for her surprise, the killer hits her from one part you normally shouldn't be able to get, and you can't say this could have been countered by looking where the killer was because it's obvious the part you should be looking is at your back where the killer is suposed to be coming for you so you can try to prevent getting shot, you don't have a 360° cam to look everywhere.
Now you can tell me this is just like a tech or a bad design of hitboxes of the wall, but if this was a survivor doing something similar and the killer wasn't a huntress or deathslinger so you wouldn't catch him, that would be called an exploit.
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That's not really an exploit, that's just knowing where holes are and using them to your advantage.
I guess it's abusing the hitbox? But...that's BHVR's issue.
Abusing the hitbox standing over where you're not suposed to normally stand over, just like when survivors could use old dead hard to get over boxes from high places and then get banned for it.
I dont see where the issue with the hitbox is there, she's RIGHT up to the wall where everybody could hit through
Then she's fine.
Where everyone could hit, if you were suposed to get over the floor. I would understand that hole is open for hatchets to pass by, but not that kind of hit since you can't be over there normally
Because she's not a survivor who used the old dead hard to get over there right
Because usually a survivor would have no reason to go there. I'm pretty certain you could do that with any killer if the survivor was dumb enough to hug the wall for some reason. The deathslinger cannot hit you through walls for example at the shack so this isn't a hitbox issue.
Getting to places inaccessible to the other side and holding the game hostage is quite different, don't you think?
This situation is the same as with lunging from upper floor to get into the window floor below on this map. No issues here.
The hitbox issue is where it lets you stand over the wall from the outside which in normal conditions you're suposed not to climb over, that wall is there to make the loop of the window around there bigger, so as a survivor doesnt have any reason to climb over, neither the killer does.
One thing is exploiting your position in map tiles and another is taking the game hostage, you don't even need to exploit for that, just hiding or blocking. I think you're congusing two different banable offenses.
I still do not see the issue, it's not like this is something gambreaking on a map that many killers will either dodge or afk in the first place because it's horrible
It's not the fact to be afk it is to take advantage and improve your objective easier by doing some thing you aren't suposed.
Survivors do it to survive, get banned, killers do it to get easier kills, doesn't get banned.
I don't see the point you are trying to get across.
What you see here is literally the old harvester killers would do with lunging on the hay stack, the hole in the floor at badham, debris of the pallet at the crane on autohaven. All of these places can be , as you call it, exploited in order to gain advantage in quite a strong survivor sided loop without basically any counters other than holding W and waiting for the pallet or window block.
Old dead hard or even climbable rocks were abused by survivors as safe spots that can't get on and if they were a huntress, at best they could just slug you and bleed to death, god forbid being an m1.
by that logic even the harvester tech is an exploit.
It is kind of an exploit but not something that should be prohibited or punishable.
Devs should look at it and if they see it as a problem with it they should make it impossible.
Ngl for me CJ tech is dumb how it's possible to happen, but you can always counter it if you see you're in that situation.
Not really,
It's no different than the tractor tech where you can m1 to get on the hay.Should it be fixed? Probably, but that building is extremely OP anyway, should they ban for it? No.
I cant believe so many people didnt know about this. You can also go right through that window if you lunge at the perfect time. I think thats just an effective way to cut off the god-loop. This is well-known thing by a lot of people since nurse came out with the map.
Its just something you can learn and use for your advantage, same with the swamp, theres a pallet loop with a fance between you and the killer under that swamp-specific shack (i really dont know how to call that building, usually the one where the basement can spawn, not the normal shack) where you can hit someone through a hole in that fence if they hug it.
Pretty sure mods have commented on stuff like this before and iirc it's fine with the killer to an extent. For example lunging to go over a pallet on The Game. I distinctly remember one of the mods on this forum saying doing that was fine since the map allowed it. I don't see why this instance would be any different.
in that same map there was a place where you fall down from a window and you could stand over that tube by going back, this could be done as killer too, next path we could see in the patch notes something like: "Fixed a spot that allowed survivors to stand over the tube of the gideon meatplat" and is funny how only survivors were mentioned.
Not an exploit at all, falling from heights in games often allows you to land on objects. It does not equal an exploit.
An exploit is using a bug, this is not a bug at all and just considered falling from heights onto something.
why did they patch this then mentioning "only survivors" could do it?
in that loogic, this thing of my discussion should get patched too since nly killers can reach it, one team can but not the other.
I don't know any case devs banned anyone for any of these offenses since no one told me they got banned for it, maybe they dd but I don't have any knowledge.
Do you know any case someone got banned for the last one you mentioned?
Also if you fall for window tech it's simply your bad, you can always counter it by making sre you're sticked to the wall and survivors will get blocked, as you, then you realise it's the turn to hit
I am not familiar with that issue, devs have addressed map design holes for years and the soft ban 3 strikes system you have now was literally implimented so survivors were not banned by the tens of thousands because twitch streamers were showing them where all the asylum map exploits were (they couldnt be hit)
If you have questions regarding Dev decisions, may want to ask them, since I have no idea about that particular issue. Never heard about it, and I don't do those type of survivor things.
Sometimes when I drop from things as killer, I land on top of things below, its common and not really exploting anything. I fell on top a generator last night as Ash, its not an exploit, it just happened due to the RNG of map design. But I was literally standing on top the generator, yay! Bad exploiter hacker!!!
uuuhm hey mods, I realised the comments of a guy defending my point with intelligent arguments have been deleted by no reason, he was giving fair points and not breaking any rule.
If anyone remembers him he was a gy with a hillbilly pfp with around 70 posts
the moonwalk legion wasn't a bug it was making the old deep wounds work just like PWYF and no one got banned for that, youtubers like monto were doing it.
again if you want to defend your point shoow me proof someone got banned for that
oh wait you dont have any, that's why "I'm the biased one" and yoou woon't spend time
too bad I'm the only oone putting actual smart arguments
How does this negatively effect the game? It doesn't.
This isn't some wall clip or fat shame spot that prevents the game from progressing. This isn't even something either side can use to their advantage. A Survivor there can be hit or chased off from the inside. A Killer there can only hit someone if they hug that wall. Neither of them can walk through it as well. Only Deathsilnger can make use of that spot really.
This one spot is of so little importance that there is nothing to worry about as it offers next to nothing to gain from it. There are far, far, more important issues to deal with first than something that only exists on a single map for a single Killer.
I know people will say "Oh the killer just know how to play this that's fine"
Not it's not. You can tell me much but the devs definetely did not intended that. It's abusing game design in an unintended way. Wouldn't call it exploit. Therefore it's too specific and not that problematic. I would call it a bug that needs to be fixed. Like fatshame spots.
I think it's more similar to window tech or blendette. Not quite what the devs had in mind but doesn't seem to be ban worthy. As for the survivor's getting somewhere using dead hard where they're completely safe and the killer is forced to either leave or hope they come down is a pretty big difference.
No it shouldn't. Should it be changed? Maybe. It's such a niche little thing that I'm not concerned about it. Reminds me of the harvester on the coldwind maps when you could loop on top if the hay.
Hardly, game is designed with spots like this all over the place. So many holes and small spots where you can stand or lunge over someting exist that devs never intended for average gameplay but then new killer comes along with new power that can use all of these in a way they were never intended. As long as they aren't holding the game hostage in some way or create game breaking balance issue then they're fine.
Not saying that it should stay but that it's fine to use general physics & layout of the game until devs decide to make these techs inaccessible or give a shoutout to not use them.
Exactly, devs did not intend for killers to moonwalk to hide their redlight either.
BUt I do it every single match and its not an exploit, but by defintion could be argued.
That's like saying survivors should be able to fly.
There shouldn't be ANY tech in this game, it goes for killer and survivors, they're just exploit abuses.
Dude, pls dont act like if you're a dev, a exploit is something that isn't intended by devs, we just need to wait for Peanits here.
BY your line of thought, a killer hiding his red light while moonwalking is exploiting.
I may not be a dev, but I am the reason the word "nerf" was even created due to my playstyle in Ultima Online so I been around while ;)
Thing is, they already say that's intended.
DO you really think flying over things you're not supposed to is "Intended"
So you're telling me this old asylum roof exploit is intended?
NO, I did not say any exploit is intended, I simply said falling from heights is not exploiting. Devs threatened banning for that exploit because twitch streamers were showing people how to do it. Have dxevs said falling like this is bannable? Nope.
Using the definition of an exploit as "anything unintended by a dev" is a bit of a reach imo, as shown by the use of killer hiding redlight to moonwalk. Or Cj teching, item teching etc,... as I said, I landed on top of a genrator as Ash last night, now Im an exploiter LOL get real
That's space billy level ######### and it shouldn't be gone lol.
Exploit means to take advantage of something (a person, situation, etc.) for one's own end, especially unethically or unjustifiably.
Exploit can mean:
That guy probably knew that exploit a long time ago and he keeps doing it, won't get surprised if he gets banned...
Peanits has already mentioned to me personally in a Huntress thread. That these things wouldn't exist if there not intended.
i understand huntress hatchets can go through the hole, but, standing over that wall outside?
As far as I'm concerned, if Harvester tech is fine, I don't see what makes this not fine.
oh goodness you brining Marxism into this?
When they ban cj techers then maybe you are right, until then,....
harvester tech is a no more since devs remodeled the truck to make it easy to pass by the side
They banned people who abused the asylum roof exploit.
But hey, let's defend a exploit!
Yeah, but devs actively gave the okay to harvester tech.
well in this case we don't have the truck s is not harvester tech, and since the only killer you can use with this is deathslinger (maybe huntress too if there's enoough space) is not something all killers can do like in the truck
Why can only the deathslinger and huntress reach that location? From what it seems, all you gotta do is lunge. And from there, if the Survivor is too close to the wall, any Killer can land a hit.
What are you talking about? I have been outspoken against streamers showing the asylum map exploit since the day it was discovered, and have never "defended any exploit" so take your classless accusations elsewhere.
I literally got people banned during the asylum exploit and have been outspoken about how the devs created the soft bans we have now so they did not have to ban all the streamers and tens of thousands of exploiters, so you have no clue what tree you barking up.
I have 3 years of forum posts to back up my stance against exploiters. Steam forum and this forum show I have never defended exploits and even called the devs out for unbanning asylum exploliters . So kindly, go troll someone else.
"Not an exploit at all, falling from heights in games often allows you to land on objects. It does not equal an exploit.
An exploit is using a bug, this is not a bug at all and just considered falling from heights onto something."
Dude, you're literally saying that isn't a exploit, and is fine holy f...