BHVR, please, don't give Herman the bad touch

With Doc being next on the c̶h̶o̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ list, Legion's "buff" has got me worried. Doc does not need any nerfs to compensate a buff as he is atm, and if he really might, as his change is that substantial somehow, don't bring him out with nerfs, the worst that happens is that he gets to dominate for first the time in his life during a ptb. Then actually use the ptb to measure his strength and THEN change him accordingly(should've done the same for The Leg, and any other future soft rework as, you know, the ptb is for testing).

That is all

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  • I think annoying is the more accurate word. Constant max volume heartbeat, screaming periodically (that can interrupt your vault), spark static effects all over your screen, skillchecks in random places, constant red stain on your back, and the odd hostage Doc strat.

    These are the kind of things that make him annoying, not strong. Like someone else said they probably want to tone this down, and buff his actual strength.

  • @ASpazNamedSteve said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882226#Comment_882226

    I think annoying is the more accurate word. Constant max volume heartbeat, screaming periodically (that can interrupt your vault), spark static effects all over your screen, skillchecks in random places, constant red stain on your back, and the odd hostage Doc strat.

    These are the kind of things that make him annoying, not strong. Like someone else said they probably want to tone this down, and buff his actual strength.

    I agree with that. But i saw peanits answer on a discussion to someone or a dev Q&A on the forums saying that they don't plan on buffing him.

    Of course they can change that idea because it was a while ago. But still, it's a possibility.

  • @NullSp3c said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882253#Comment_882253

    I agree with that. But i saw peanits answer on a discussion to someone or a dev Q&A on the forums saying that they don't plan on buffing him.

    Of course they can change that idea because it was a while ago. But still, it's a possibility.

    He needs a buff, like all the lower Tier Killers you only see at low ranks.

  • @NullSp3c said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882112#Comment_882112

    Removing the stall potential and a variety of builds(decreases the fun by a MILE) for a slight ms buff? Wut?

    Also, making 3 add-ons better and the power worse makes 2.5 problems:

    1. Makes the killer more add-ons dependant.
    2. Changes nothing to add-on less players like me 90% of the time.

    0.5- Maintains the fact that most of their add-ons are useless/do almost nothing or actually harm you.

    I'm not complaining about the buffs, i'm complaining about the unnecessary nerfs that were not needed.

    I don't think that removing the on-hit effects is consistency because feral frenzy makes legion run faster and ADDS a status effect to their basic attacks. "But basic attacks can down someone and feral frenzy can't" -> another problem of the "rework" done in the patch 2.7.0.

    The pig's dash completely changes things even tho it's power related because she crouches and has a charge time to make a dash that covers a gigantic amount of distance.

    Legion just lunges. This would be justified if wraith also didn't apply on-hit effects when coming out of the power, spirit is the same, nurse is the same, tier 3 myers is the same ( "the attacks apply the exposed status effect so they are not basic attacks" -> bhvr logic with the legion changes), etc etc

    Because they are "power based" just like legion ones are.

    Also thank you for saying this far more calmly then I was able too.

  • I believe they will buff his ability to inflict madness directly (shock attack) and nerf the indirect madness build up (terror radius madness increase) since the most boring/frustrating thing about him is the 3 gen Distressing build.

  • @UlvenDagoth said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/881885#Comment_881885

    Thank you. I will always play Legion and always complain about BHVR messing them up, so they will never be rid of it. They need a rework and a removal of Deep Wounds from there power.

    I don't think they read my reply..... I told them it wasn't a buff at all and explained why but they called it a "huge buff" later on.

  • @NMCKE said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882044#Comment_882044

    They just got a huge buff recently, BHVR even listened to your feedback by making the button add-ons better. 😁

    Did you read my reply? It wasn't a buff. Increased speed is nice but doesn't help much. Read my previous reply where I go into specifics.


    Add on changes won't fix what is wrong with Legion and their power

  • @Kabu said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882112#Comment_882112

    Did you read my reply? It wasn't a buff. Increased speed is nice but doesn't help much. Read my previous reply where I go into specifics.

    Add on changes won't fix what is wrong with Legion and their power

    Not even talking about how good/bad Legion is, increasing speed and vault speed is a buff lol. By all definitions that is what it is.

    Just like the decreased mending time is a nerf.

  • @UlvenDagoth said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882236#Comment_882236

    Also thank you for saying this far more calmly then I was able too.

    By maining legion i needed to understand when to maintain myself calm. Either way this wasn't one of those cases xD

    The guy is friendly so im gonna be friendly too.

  • Look, guise, they just need to leave the Killers alone. The Survivors aren't supposed to be having fun; the Killers are. That's literally why they're trapped in there for the Killer to play with. The fact that Survivors can end a game in 5 minutes but not a single Killer can do the same is ridiculous. But yea let's keep destroying the Killers so the Survivors can enjoy what is supposed to be their torture.

  • @NMCKE said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/880994#Comment_880994

    People exaggerate Legion, Nurse, and Spirit changes, then assume BHVR is going to gut any killer they say are going to rework or is over performing.

    In reality, BHVR doesn't always gut killers, and when they do, gutting is exaggerating what exactly they did to that killer. Most changes BHVR made towards killers is for making things balanced and fun for everyone. They just buffed Legion and made Freddy a beast a while ago — Ghostface got a significant buff too. The community, not everyone, tends to only see the bad of BHVR more than the good because it's easier to look at someone's mistakes than look at their success.

    I said too much, bracing for impact! 😕


    "fun" for everyone but killers. only make it fun and fair for survivors and over look killers.

  • they cant make one of the weakest killer even more weak. or wait..i forgot about legion lol

  • @ASpazNamedSteve said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882466#Comment_882466

    Not even talking about how good/bad Legion is, increasing speed and vault speed is a buff lol. By all definitions that is what it is.

    Just like the decreased mending time is a nerf.

    Overall, the changes were a nerf... I already talked about the increased speed and why it doesn't matter much. Oni moves as fast if not faster and can one shot. So can Billy...


    Also, I wasn't talking to you

  • @NullSp3c said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882281#Comment_882281

    By maining legion i needed to understand when to maintain myself calm. Either way this wasn't one of those cases xD

    The guy is friendly so im gonna be friendly too.

    yeah I just get so annoyed that everyone is thinking this is just the best thing ever for Legion when it is overall a nerf.

  • @LordEmrich said:

    Look, guise, they just need to leave the Killers alone. The Survivors aren't supposed to be having fun; the Killers are. That's literally why they're trapped in there for the Killer to play with. The fact that Survivors can end a game in 5 minutes but not a single Killer can do the same is ridiculous. But yea let's keep destroying the Killers so the Survivors can enjoy what is supposed to be their torture.

    NO reason to try and make this a side war by being snarky.

  • @Vetrathene said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/881004#Comment_881004

    Which will remove a lot of his power. If that happens the devs are losing me again for awhile. I'm tired of already weak killers getting nerfed and strong killers getting over nerfed.

    "Remove a lot of his power"

    Yeah... that effect is a goner. Just like legion's FF counting as a basic attack. Taking that away took a lot from legion too.

    #RIP Doctor

  • @Auron471 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/881009#Comment_881009

    "Remove a lot of his power"

    Yeah... that effect is a goner. Just like legion's FF counting as a basic attack. Taking that away took a lot from legion too.

    #RIP Doctor

    Remember when Legion could quickly get 8 stacks of STBFL & thus didn't have to use FF for the rest of that match

  • @Keezo said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883609#Comment_883609

    Remember when Legion could quickly get 8 stacks of STBFL & thus didn't have to use FF for the rest of that match

    i dont have STBFL but that sounds amazing.

  • "that sounds amazing." Truly a testament to how ######### FF is that people would love to not use it at all

  • I'm actually going ask BHVR to please not touch the Doctor at all, as I don't want him to be nerfed under guise of a 'buff' which has been seen by the poor Legion gang.

  • @UlvenDagoth said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882773#Comment_882773

    NO reason to try and make this a side war by being snarky.

    Isn't it already, though? Survivors complain cause they're not having fun and Killers are nerfed so the Survivors can have fun and go "GG ez".

  • @UlvenDagoth said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/882664#Comment_882664

    yeah I just get so annoyed that everyone is thinking this is just the best thing ever for Legion when it is overall a nerf.

    Without a doubt legion will be more fun to play but that doesnt change the fact that he is gonna be nerfed.

    They removed most of the fun when removing perk sinergies with their power.

    The thing that angrys me the most is that they only gave legion some buffs because they were going to nerf him hard as hell to add consistency.

    They didnt want to give him buffs at all. :/

  • @NullSp3c said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/883597#Comment_883597

    Without a doubt legion will be more fun to play but that doesnt change the fact that he is gonna be nerfed.

    They removed most of the fun when removing perk sinergies with their power.

    The thing that angrys me the most is that they only gave legion some buffs because they were going to nerf him hard as hell to add consistency.

    They didnt want to give him buffs at all. :/

    Exactly, and it's not NEAR enough to make them even decent

  • @Keezo said:

    With Doc being next on the c̶h̶o̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶l̶o̶c̶k̶ list, Legion's "buff" has got me worried. Doc does not need any nerfs to compensate a buff as he is atm, and if he really might, as his change is that substantial somehow, don't bring him out with nerfs, the worst that happens is that he gets to dominate for first the time in his life during a ptb. Then actually use the ptb to measure his strength and THEN change him accordingly(should've done the same for The Leg, and any other future soft rework as, you know, the ptb is for testing).

    That is all

    Yeah I'd be scared too honestly, after the colossal failure of Legion balance wise in the past year I can see why you'd be worried.

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