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@ABAEX said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3874687#Comment_3874687
that is why you don't know how to play killer now, the slug meta is not what killer want, just killer have to do slug to get 3/4 kill.

Made another post, but it apparently disappeared. Anyway, this maybe your experience in your MMR (if you play survivor that is), but my experience has been that in roughly 4 out of 5 games, the killers are trying to slug every survivor at 4-5 gens. They have no interest in hooking either, they’ll gladly just wait while you bleed out, making survivors run unbreakable or wait the four minutes it takes to bleed out if no one is able to pick you back up (if they’re running Knock Out, the other survivors may not know where you are in Solo Q). That genuinely makes for a miserable gameplay experience, thus the reason the slugging meta (4k slug at 3-5 gens) needs to stop. Again, our experiences maybe different depending on each of our MMRs (wish BHVR would show that somewhere in game, but a problem for another day I suppose).

In terms of my Killer gameplay, I’m not sure where you’re getting that I struggle. If I’m rallying for base kit unbreakable, it’s more likely that I don’t play killer at all or I don’t need to slug to achieve a 3-4k. I assure you, it’s the latter. To be honest, I rarely slug at the end-game as it’s more fun to try to hunt down that last survivor or hatch than it is to play a 3-4 minute game of hide and seek (especially if they’re hiding in lockers). If the survivor happens to escape, so be it—the Entity willed it, it is why the Entity provides the hatch in the first place (this seems lost on behavior in allowing the last survivor to be Mori’d and creating the end-game slugging meta problem in the first place).

Since you brought it up, I’ve only had to really utilize slugging as a tactic in one game so far this year and that’s when I was running up against a bully duo running Boiled Over and Soul Guard with a Sabotage build on Forsaken Boneyard. Because they had Soul Guard to boot, I’d have to go back and re-slug them at the top of the center tower as there was no way to reach a hook from the window side vault to the stairs without dropping or taking too long. And even in that game, with their picking themselves up, I was able to achieve a 4k by hooking the last two survivors. This would be like their having the base kit unbreakable, the only difference is that in this case, they had Soul Guard which also gave them endurance as long as they left my hex alone.

That being said, I’m not talking about your need to slug after the 2k to try to get your 4k. You do you, to each their own. I’m talking about those games in which the killers only goal is to be toxic by slugging and trying to make survivors DC or wait the four minutes it takes to bleed out. Again, the reason I believe Killers should have to use hooks to win if Survivors have to do gens to win. And I’m perfectly ok having some perks nerfed (Boiled Over cooldown as an example) to achieve that goal as back to back games of Killers slugging at 4-5 gens is tiresome.

in Slugging is out of hand - throwing out solutions hoping something hits. Comment by HangryMogwai January 27, 2025

@ABAEX said:
can you play as killer and get 3/4 kill before 5gen all done for 100 times with out cut off?
if killer want to 3/4 k, this game now need killer chose hook or leave downed survivor.

Not sure I’m following, but if I am, I’m ok with not getting a 4k every match. It’s harder with some M1 killers, but that comes with the fun of playing a more challenging killer or something different from your main(s). If a survivor happens to play well and escape, so be it.

In the initial post I’d mentioned not being able to pick yourself up in the end-game collapse, but in reflecting on it, maybe that wouldn’t be a bad thing. It would certainly give relevancy to the hatch again if I need to hook someone that keeps picking themselves up versus running back to rough where the downed survivor was to try to kill both of them. Returns a bit to giving agency in the end game collapse when the Entity gives survivor a chance at the hatch versus the new standard of slugging for a double Mori.

in Slugging is out of hand - throwing out solutions hoping something hits. Comment by HangryMogwai January 23, 2025

It looks like it returns February 10th with a Resident Evil theme (Wesker and Nemisis joining). I agree though, genuinely looking forward to 2v8 and wish it was permanent. It provides a much needed break from the need to always play meta or counter meta in higher mmr.

in BHVR, my friends keep asking me when is the next 2v8 event. Comment by HangryMogwai January 22, 2025

@xGodSendDeath said:
These ideas seem like a great way to shift the balance heavily in favor of the survivors. What buffs will the killer players be receiving?

It’s why it’s an open ended discussion, if you have ideas to help improve the current slug meta and bring back hook states, feel free to include them! I personally don’t often need to slug to win as killer, but I know I’ve had to when dealing with boiled over or when two survivors are going for flashlight / sabotage saves back to back (especially on an m1 killer). Knowing that they’re broken (can’t fully heal to a health state) for a minute after they pick themselves up (about another minute) feels like a pretty good trade off to me personally…especially if boiled over abuse was needed.

in terms of the blood point nerfs etc, I don’t feel that the players doing it care enough about the blood points etc. Yeah, you want them early on to help build out their roster, but after that, everything just goes toward a pool of endless add-ons etc. Honestly, it’s more of a nuisance to have to spend them all and that’s even after the improvements BHVR has added.

in Slugging is out of hand - throwing out solutions hoping something hits. Comment by HangryMogwai January 22, 2025

Not much to add to the thread, but echoing that the solo q experience has been miserable with knock out / slugging (really slugging in general). It’s rough as slugging has its place (boil over on some maps is ridiculous and the end-game collapse), but it’s absurd that slugging is regularly happening at 3-5 gens.

Honestly, the whole perk system needs a rework to fix the issue (both killer and survivor), but at the end of the day, if survivors are forced to do gens, killers should be forced to use hooks. /shrug

Edit: As an aside, might as well remove all of the “unhook suvivor” codex challenges with the current slugging meta. Few killers in my mmr bracket using them anyway.

in Knock out Comment by HangryMogwai January 21, 2025

Echoing the same sentiments. The game has become absolutely miserable in higher MMR, made worse when the current “meta” (thanks to TTVs etc). Back to back killers all trying to slug to watch people bleed out, often using the “Knock Out” perk etc. Sure, it’s a tactic, but it’s toxic as hell and boring waiting to bleed out in hopes that the next killer isn’t doing the same thing, especially with these ridiculously long queue times between games.

in Basekit mori Comment by HangryMogwai January 21, 2025

@SidneysBane1996 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3853758#Comment_3853758
Bro you LITERALLY opened with "another winning take" stated in a sarcastic manner. Please don't pretend you weren't trying to insult me and everyone else here. You were. You came off as dismissive and mean for no reason except you disagreeing with me. I am perfectly willing to discuss with you, but you need to drop the sarcasm and LOL emojis before anyone takes you up on that.
Edit: I do accept your apology though. Please consider your words next time and how they might sound.
Losing is of course fine if it's fun, yes, but again. My argument isn't that we should bleed the game dry of new players and I have no clue where you got that. My argument WAS, if the game isn't fun, then don't play it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head. I assumed you were an older player who KNEW this already, but it seems you're a much newer player who left about three to five months ago.

Point taken on how I’d started the response (see previous post). Still don’t think “quit the game” is much of a quality response to a feedback post for the devs, but it is what it is. I enjoy the game well enough outside of the highlighted points in the original post. The devs can do what they will with the feedback as the crux seems to be whether or not tunneling and slugging is needed to have fun in DBD. Outside of that, sure—make the killers stronger if you want, a challenge isn’t the issue as much as making it so the games don’t play on repeat. At present, it feels like roughly 3 out of 5 games the goal of the killer is to tunnel out one player. It’s a viable tactic, but isn’t a lot of fun. If the killers need to be stronger, loops weaker and anti-tunneling factors added, so be it. Not necessarily advocating that as I’m not sure what the answer is as much as the fact that tunneling of one player at 4-5 gens isn’t much fun for anyone involved except for the killer.