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@Gandor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3884631#Comment_3884631
I am not making up numbers. It's directly from Hens's video. And I was even very conservative about it, because other streamers took up the same challenge and say knightlight's stats were like 96% or something (don't remember exact number, the video is over year old now, but it's still on Hens's YT. Watch it if u don't believe me. Addonless trapper no camping, tunneling or slugging).
About the rest - most players are solo or at most 2-man. And even 4-man means little in low mmr so in fact u can't balance around 4man instead (or by the same logic delete/hard nerf all S/A tier killers, because they have unfair theoretical potential in top mmr)
Survivors have more offerings, but killers see survivors/names etc, free dodge and so on. Much stronger perks and overall waay more power. The end result is, that killers kill=win more often.
I saw it so many times - people swear 4man squads so often if they loose. It's pure cope. Understandable. We all do it sometimes. That's why u need to trust official dev stats. And it clearly shows 4-man is tiny fraction of player base (even though devs provide these stats very infrequently).
Also u compare 220 win streak to almost 2500 blight win streak or was it 500? streak on addonless nurse and say 220 is unfair while those higher numbers are fine... Like ok mate.
Again i didn't pull up the numbers. They are on hens's yt.
Dying is the definition of loosing to me in dbd as survivor. U can make up your objective however u want, but that's on you. I know a guy that considers it killer win if he has good/fun chase no matter how many survs escaped.
Again AFAIK devs stayed their stats exclude games with DC. So if they didn't change their mind, then games w DC don't count.
There are multiple reasons for DC. Skull merchant is one of those very good reasons. But excessive slugging, hots 5m away from window, wifi hatchet huntress hits (all ranged killers have it, huntress is just best example), etc... And 0 chance to win games contribute. Now think about what happened recently that got the uptick of DC's. Maybe it somehow correlates time-wise with slugging for mori and map nerfs? If so then we can have a very strong guess that it's likely because of those 2 reasons primarily. But sure enough, it could have been also for all the other reasons. It's just less likely.
If stats show that just tiny percentage is 4man and most people play soloQ, then i don't really care about swf argument that much (just to that tiny percentage). Again, check dev stats for how many survs are 4man.
Your argument is, that comp team can win against pub killer 220 times. But ignore the fact that multiple comp blights/nurses got waaay higher number in pubs. I think that even even sadako main got to the winsteak in ballpark of that number (not to mention spirit, oni, wesker, pyramidhead, ..... Etc). And the survivor winstreak ended vs "unviable" trickster of all the killers. So again. Who has more control in pubs?
Yes i play league. It's more fun rn. I used to love dbd more, but that was in 2018 where 60% killrate would be ridiculed as insane by both sides instead of being "standard". Yes, the game needed to help killers. But that doesn't mean swap sides for unfair advantage

Love how you refused to the name video to make it harder to find. I watched it. It is over a year old, Survivors have gotten countless buffs since then, and in the video they seemed often unorganised and they made stupid mistakes like running into dead ends. He obviously played against survivors far below his skill level, and even said himself that this was the case in the pinned comment. We can talk about how the matchmaking is vastly flawed, but I think the game should be balanced around people of equal skills, not crushing people far less experienced.

"About the rest - most players are solo or at most 2-man. And even 4-man means little in low mmr so in fact u can't balance around 4man instead (or by the same logic delete/hard nerf all S/A tier killers, because they have unfair theoretical potential in top mmr)" What? We should balance around both sides trying to win. For Survivors tryharding to win would always mean 4 people SWF. If I queued up with Nurse and stood in the corner all game, that doesn't mean Nurse would need a buff. If Survivors play unoptimal they can do that, but we shouldn't take that as much into account for balancing as optimal play.

"Survivors have more offerings, but killers see survivors/names etc, free dodge and so on. Much stronger perks and overall waay more power. The end result is, that killers kill=win more often." Most killers never dodge since last second switching is a thing. And the power doesn't matter for this. My whole point was that Survivors have way more power of the framework of the match.

"I saw it so many times - people swear 4man squads so often if they loose. It's pure cope. Understandable. We all do it sometimes. That's why u need to trust official dev stats. And it clearly shows 4-man is tiny fraction of player base (even though devs provide these stats very infrequently)." I looked as much as I can and could not find any stats by the devs. If you really had them, you would actually you know, cite them, instead of just alluding to them. The only stats I could find, where them saying that high MMR 4 man SWF has a 48.3% escape rate. So almost 50%. And that was over a year ago, before Survivors got a bunch of buffs (Anti tunnel perk buffs, gen regression nerfs, hook time increase, sabotage all round buff, etc…).

"Dying is the definition of loosing to me in dbd as survivor. U can make up your objective however u want, but that's on you. I know a guy that considers it killer win if he has good/fun chase no matter how many survs escaped." This is the team game. Lets imagine a simple team shooter where wins are determined by how many kills each team gets. It doesn't matter if I have a negative kill/death rate at the end of the game, as long as my team has a postive k/d overall. Same for Survivor, especially if you are playing SWF. Most Survivors escaping is a win for the Survivor team. That is how the game works. Also, what is your point? A 3 man out shouldn't be consider a Survior win. The game should be balanced around having a 50% 4 man out every second match, so Survivors only win every second game?

"Again AFAIK devs stayed their stats exclude games with DC. So if they didn't change their mind, then games w DC don't count." You are not actually reading what I say and this proves it.

"There are multiple reasons for DC. Skull merchant is one of those very good reasons." Throwing a temper tantrum over literally the worst killer in the game. Her power can be completely negated by standing still or crouching or evading one big beam of light or beating a simple mini game.

"If stats show that just tiny percentage is 4man and most people play soloQ, then i don't really care about swf argument that much (just to that tiny percentage). Again, check dev stats for how many survs are 4man." I did check stats and not find anything. If you actually had a point you would link the stats you mean.

"Your argument is, that comp team can win against pub killer 220 times. But ignore the fact that multiple comp blights/nurses got waaay higher number in pubs." You cannot be serious. First of all, SWF streaks are way more annoying and slow. Killer is just pick the killer and play the game. You have to get all 4 strong players, in the same server region, available consistently at the same time. Then yeah, a strong Nurse can definitely compete with a strong SWF, but soloqueue is more common than SWFs and most SWF do not play optimally. Facing a strong killer is way more common than a strong SWF, even if you play both sides equally.

I think that even even sadako main got to the winsteak in ballpark of that number (not to mention spirit, oni, wesker, pyramidhead, ..... Etc)" Just like with stats, I am going to ignore this since you could easily provide evidence for it but refuse to.

"And the survivor winstreak ended vs "unviable" trickster of all the killers. So again. Who has more control in pubs?" Even more proof that you didn't actually read my arguments. I mentioned the streak ended against a Nurse. I wrote out the full title of the youtube video. You could have watched it and seen it was a Nurse. But, you ignore those inconvenient truthes and rather lie.

You have proven you don't care about a genuine discussion. You have proven you don't care about the facts or intellectual honesty. I am done arguing with you. I don't care if you respond, since you do not care about the actual truth of this matter. I am not going to waste my time with someone as intellectually dishonest as you anymore.

in Balancing the game around 60% kill rate makes no sense Comment by VibranToucan February 14, 2025

@acetaminophen said:
if you have such a flaming hatred for 2v8 i dont think you even liked the video game in the first place, you might need to take a break man

What? "If you don't like Twitch Stories you never enjoyed watch Twitch streams in the first place". I enjoy the game, 2v8 is just the worst thing they ever done to it.

in Never Bring Back 2v8 EVER again Comment by VibranToucan February 14, 2025

@Gandor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3884465#Comment_3884465
Yes I do. I loved the game when I first found it. It was a lot of fun. Over the years, it just got frustrated. Now I sometimes watch streamers and come to forums from time to time. What's wrong about that?
As for your first paragraph - killer has full power while solo survivor has tiny portion. You can clearly see it when you compare best players taking weakest killer in public vs tryharding as soloQ. In case of killer he'll have at minimum 90% kill rate (but more like 99+%). As survivor… You can check Ayrun - suffice to say that AFAIK his escape streak never got above 34 escapes in a row which is BTW world record. These are results instead of anecdotal "1 v 4" statements that result "poor 1 person with machine gun in open field is definitely weaker then 4 naked people that have nothing".
2nd and 3rd point are basically identical. Even if survivor has about 50% chance when all odds are in his favor, that doesn't mean the game is fair. For every best survivor map, you have corresponding headonfield or some other horrible map. And even then. 50% is IMO fair. More maps should be like Eyrie. The way they were 5 years ago. And as for every SWF (4 man is very rare btw) you still have nurse/blight with their multiple 1000+ streaks which is apparently fine in your eyes.
As for killer viability - there's exactly 0 killers that have 40% kill rate. All killers are very viable. Maybe not for comp, but in public matches you can get 90% kill rate or more without even using ability (as shown by e.g. Hens - and that was without camping or tunneling). Also. It's fine if survivors loose 60% of time, but it's not fine if chucky looses 56% of time because "noone will want to loose that much"? Well. Survivors already do.
Artificial increase - AFAIK disconnected matches don't count. Giving up is the direct result of survivors not having chance. Enjoy it, because you advocate for this. Why would I continue in a match where you are basically certain to loose now? The chances were already bad when the game started (40%) and now it's just doomed. This is what killers persuading devs brought on you.
Survivors have less control as I already have shown (Ayrun example). If you are 4man on comms with 5000+hours per teammate, then you might be right. But even that's not really true vs blight and nurse. As for the rest of statement - that was exactly my point previously. Killers are bribed by free kills instead of addressing the real issue. As a result both roles suck.

There is no point arguing if your just going to make up numbers out of thin air and misrepresenting my position. I'll give it one more shot , but if you continue you show you have no interest in being intellectually honest.

"killer has full power while solo survivor has tiny portion." But we cannot balance around solo survivor because then SWF would crush killers constantly. And SWF has way more power than Killer.

"Even if survivor has about 50% chance when all odds are in his favor, that doesn't mean the game is fair. For every best survivor map, you have corresponding headonfield or some other horrible map." But as I said before, Survivors have 4 offering slots compared to Killer 1. Survivors have way more influence on these things that killer.

"And as for every SWF (4 man is very rare btw) you still have nurse/blight with their multiple 1000+ streaks which is apparently fine in your eyes." You haven't played the game in over a year. I actively play it. While I cannot prove if a squad is 4 man or not, I get roughly 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 games where I get what seems like a 4 man SWF and I am far from top MMR. Also yes, the strongest killers getting long winstreaks is fine. BTW the highest Survivor Win Streak (3 people or more out as 4 man swf) is over 220 (Video by Hens: "Survivor's Secret to Success: Escaping over 200 games in a row"). And they did it without bringing constant map offerings to survivor sided maps AND while limiting their perk builds. If as many people went for SFW streaks as people went for Killer Streaks, the number would likely rise way higher. And yes, it counts as a Survivor Win, even if 1 Survivor dies.

"You can clearly see it when you compare best players taking weakest killer in public vs tryharding as soloQ. In case of killer he'll have at minimum 90% kill rate (but more like 99+%)" Stop making up numbers.

"in public matches you can get 90% kill rate or more without even using ability (as shown by e.g. Hens - and that was without camping or tunneling)." This is just absurd. I couldn't event find a single video of Hens of him showcasing play without killer.

"As for killer viability - there's exactly 0 killers that have 40% kill rate." But there likely would be if the game was balanced around 50% killrate, that was literally my point.

"It's fine if survivors loose 60% of time, but it's not fine if chucky looses 56% of time because 'noone will want to loose that much'? Well. Survivors already do." Killrate isn't win rate. If I die to get my team a 3 man out I am happy about it. Counterintuively, while kills lead to wins, dying doesn't mean losing. And yes, for the emotional reasons I outlined people are more fine with losing on survivor than as killer. That was what my last paragraph was about.

"AFAIK disconnected matches don't count" They do. If it shows up as a kill symbol on the EGC it counts as a kill for the community numbers.

"Giving up is the direct result of survivors not having chance" Nope. I have seen people give up as soon as they load into a match when going against killers like Pinhead or Skull Merchant, cause they just don't like them. Like running to the killer, letting them down them and instantly going next on hook. I have seen people try going next in a winning game, saved them and in End Game Chat they said they did their tome challenge and want out of the match now. I have also seen people give up when I hit them and revealed Franklins or when they randomly stepped in a bear trap against trapper. Survivors give up for the slightest of inconveniences.

"Survivors have less control as I already have shown (Ayrun example)." You have shown that an individual soloqueue Survivors has less control than a killer. My entire point was that a SWF has more control than the killer.

"If you are 4man on comms with 5000+hours per teammate, then you might be right. But even that's not really true vs blight and nurse" Not really. Btw, the winstreak I mentioned above, while it did lose to a Nurse, they beat 23 Blights and 23 Nurses in that streak. So its not like Nurse and Blight wipe the floor with tryhard teams, they are the only Killers that often stand a chance against these teams, outside of comp.

"Killers are bribed by free kills instead of addressing the real issue. As a result both roles suck." The issue is fundamental to the game and cannot be fixed without doing an overhaul on the way the game works and making the team be equal sizes. And in my experience both rules are fun. If you stopped enjoying DBD, maybe just do something else.

in Balancing the game around 60% kill rate makes no sense Comment by VibranToucan February 14, 2025

@Gandor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3884330#Comment_3884330
Your argument fails at the very start. Gunman winning only if he kills all knive people is super arbitrary. The other extreme of that example would be if gunman escapes with his life without killing anyone (should game allow it).
Now given dbd, you as a killer want to kill as many survivors as possible. On the other side as survivor you most definitely want to escape. However vast majority of players would consider it winning more if it's not just "i escaped", but also "i and everyone in my team escaped". These are the 2 extremes where (after some simplification) "you can't win more" (and yes for simplicity i am ignoring hook states).
So basically as killer i want (my objective) 4k, as survivor i want 0k. Math tells me that means 2k (50% kill rate) instead of 2.4k being the exact split in the middle. That is fair compromise.
If you don't like this way of looking at it, then take devs explenation of killer playing 4 gamed in 1 trial at the same time - if he kills 2, it means he won 2x and lost 2x. That's 2 wins only in 50% kill rate case. Anything above 50% means killer is on average winning more (partial) games then loosing.
And this still conveniently counts hatch escape as an escape - which it absolutely isn't. Hatch is pity chance giving part of the game which only serves as an incentive for survivor to not quit the game when it's hopeless. Most survivors prefer all generators fixed gate escape over hatch escape, because free random hatch does not feel like a true win. Fully valid alternative to whole hatch mechanics would be vote to surender the game (which would probably mildly annoy killer as he's not able to enjoy free win)
However devs clearly don't agree with fair 50% balancing, because in this fair setting, there's less killers then required amount - and the reason for that is stress/annoyance/etc with killer role. But instead of fixing that, people are trying to twist the logic why it's actually fair that survivors should loose most games and killers are entitled to outright loose (meaning not getting even the exact split between perfect win vs perfect loose) veeeery few games because "that's fair".
NO IT ISN'T. Not by a long shot. And i refuse to play this game because of it - survivor is in game for free killers win just to bribe killer players to play the game even thru all the problems that make killers less desirable.
Survivors undeserved loss is directly balanced against killer's frustration. For me that means both roles now suck hard and i am not playing either one (not since chucky). And that is not going to change until the game gets fair while at the same time less frustrating for killer. So long as it's like this, I rather play actual fair (symetrical) multiplayer games instead (where 56% win rate of 1 side equals to very fast hotfix and lots of talk in community compared to TARGETTED FREAKING 60%).

"For me that means both roles now suck hard and i am not playing either one (not since chucky)"

You haven't played the game in over a year and still hang around the forums? And want to actively contribute to balance decisions?

Anyway, I wish there was a 60% killrate. In reality its, at above baby MMR, more like 57%. And yes, killers should have a higher than 50% killrate.

Firstly, lets talk about how much power people have over the game. Survivors have 4 offerings slots, compared to killers 1. Survivors have 4 items with 2 add ons each, compared to Killers just having 2 add ons. Survivors have 4 perks each, meaning 16, repeatable perks, Killers have 4 and they have to be 4 different. Due to Survivors having so many tools at their disposale, Survivors have way more power about the framework of a match than the killer has, and the killer has to adept. Giving the killer an advantage to make up for it makes sense.

Secondly, lets talk SWF vs Soloqueue. Soloqueue is less organised than SWF and therefore usually ends up with a lower killrate. The killrates being so close to 50% means that very likely, they are at or below 50% for smart SWFs. Recent community data shows that Eyrie of Crows is by far the most played map and has an under 50% killrate. This map being a favourite for map offering SWFs. It can still be brought by a Soloqueue Survivor or randomly happen, which would push the killrate up, but it still has a below 50% killrate. If Survivors give their all, they can easily get an average under 50% killrate. But if SWFs could constantly crush killers, this wouldn't be fun. A higher than 50% killrate is needed so that killers can actually expect to have a decent shot when going against SWFs.

Thirdly lets talk killer viability. The devs want you to be able to pick up any killer and be able to realistically win, even if going against Survivors. A higher than 50% average killrate, assuming no one killer spikes too hard above the rest, would make sure that this is possible with all killer. Cause a 50% killrate on average, keeping the current average in mind, would mean like a 44% killrate for Chucky. And nobody would want to play a character if it means losing that much.

Fourthly, lets talk about kill destribution. Because 8 hooks can mean 0 kills and 9 hook stages can mean 3 killers. A killer doesn't win by hooking, they win by killing. In addition to that, a Survivor who is dead cannot work on gens anymore. Both of these factors combined lead to games being fairly snowbally. Getting two kills often doesn't mean two kills, but usually allows a snowball into a third kill. This means the numbers will always be squed towards the extremes, and trying to balance the game by balancing these two extremes out is not healthy.

Fithly, lets talk giving up. If a Survivor decides they don't want to play the game for whatever reason, they can kill themself on hook or disconnect. This usually ends with the killer being able to win the game with 3 or 4 kills. Survivors going next is fairly common, maybe happens one in every 5 games in my experience, meaning that the killrate is artificially increased due to people just refusing to play the game.

Lastly, lets talk emotional impact. We play games to have fun after all and joy is an emotion. Survivors have more control over the match than killers, they are stronger than killers if they try hard, and there is more of them, meaning there is more of a tribalistic push against you than for you. If people are mad at each other after the game, it is 1 vs 4 arguing. Sure, I can handle being insulted, otherwise I would have stopped playing this game, but I think we can generally agree that being insulted usually doesn't feel nice. So from an emotional/community perspective, playing killer feels worse than playing Survivor. So they need to make up for that too somehow.

And Killer feels bad is a fact about this game and without changing it being 1v4, you will not be able to change that.

in Balancing the game around 60% kill rate makes no sense Comment by VibranToucan February 14, 2025

@ThatRyanB said:
Hey there folks. Popping in here to let you know that our Community Team is treating collecting and sharing feedback with the team as our top priority today. While I'm seeing general comments about how folks feel about bots in here (which we are also sharing with the team), I'd also love to dig into the specifics of how you're feeling, as these can often be the most useful feedback points.

If there are specific instances of bots doing things that you've liked or have found disruptive in 2v8, I'd love to hear them.

Just like in 1v4 I hate that bots just leave while you are alive and on the hook. They also run away way earlier than most real players would. Apparently they do herbs as well. Or even just that they open chests. Why do the bots have escaping as their highest priority? Instead of, y'know letting the real players escape.

in Thanks for the Useless BOTS in the 2v8 Event Mode Comment by VibranToucan February 11, 2025

That's just not true, locker searching takes priority.

in Survivor pickup prompt trumping locker search prompt Comment by VibranToucan February 10, 2025

@Lixadonna said:
They made Sacrificial Ward Brown Rarity you know.

I have literally over a 3500 Screech Cobblers left on my killers. Should I just never use bloodpoint offering again, just because I don't want to be send to the same unfair map over and over again? That also ignores that there are scenarios where I want to bring other offerings like Putrid Oak or Cut Coin. (Survivors don't have these issues because they have a total of 4 offering slots)

in Add a new map to Forsaken Boneyard Comment by VibranToucan February 9, 2025

I think they don't want you to use Frenzy as a passive mobility tool.

If Frenzy showed blood and scratch marks there'd be very little reason not to use the increased movement speed from frenzy while patroling gens or something.

in I don't think it's necessary for Legion to not be able to see blood or scratch marks during Frenzy Comment by VibranToucan February 9, 2025

@TieBreaker said:
What's with all the nihilism over a computer game? If a game makes you this bitter, then sorry to say it, but you need to go work on yourself. Go find something that's actually worthwhile in life to invest your time in. Maybe then a game won't cause you to spiral this bad.
You won't be able to isolate this kind of attitude to just the game, it will infect your entire personality. Feel free to embrace it, but don't start complaining when you end up as a friendless, miserable sod. Nobody wants to be around someone with such a lousy attitude.

I enjoy the game and never said otherwise. I am just sharing advice on how to avoid other players insulting you. If I post tips telling someone how to avoid getting in a fight in youtube comments, that doesn't mean I hate youtube lol.

in Advice for Killer players: Never play nice. Comment by VibranToucan February 7, 2025

@jajay119 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3881406#Comment_3881406
you don’t need perks to slug. It’s literally an extension of every killers basekit.
If you mean there’s no prevalence of anti slugging perks - that’s because there’s only two and most of the time they’re not worth the perk slot.
As an aside, my first match of the day was against a slugging blight who repeatedly slugged us until we all bled out despite multiple efforts to get each other up, leave people down to do gens etc. he refused to hook. Ironic.

@DeBecker said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3881406#Comment_3881406
Slugging is meta, cause its another design failure that has nothing to do with skill, perks or whatever and isnt countered by any means.

There are certain perks that reward slugging. There are the explict ones (Knock Out, Deerstalker), but also perks like A Nurse's Calling that helps you see pick ups, Third Seal stops people from seeing slugged Survivors.

But if we look at what perks are actually used/succesful: Pain Res and Pop goes the Weasel are two top used killer perks in the game, both require hooking. Place 5 is BBQ and Chilli, also needs hooking to work. 10 and 11 is Grim Embrace and Dead Mans Switch, 16 is No Way Out. Perks that require hooking to do ANYTHING are still the top perks in the game.

Yes Killers that only go for the slug do exist, but they are like Watterlogged Shoe Hags, rare and using a suboptimal playstyle. My last match was as Legion (for a challenge) and I got someone who ran Made for This. Does this mean Legion needs to be reworked to not use deep wounds to counter the prevelance of Made for This? Or should we accept that a variety of builds exist and we shouldn't balance around suboptimal exceptions?

in Slugging Comment by VibranToucan February 6, 2025

@jajay119 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3881331#Comment_3881331
There’s always an excuse. Go back to three years ago before the big perk shake up and the excuse was Dead Hard. Killers have always found a justification to play like this. It’s tired, it’s boring and it needs to change. The fact that there is such a plethora of excuses for it is not doing anyone any favours.
The biggest and best example of this being a ‘because it’s easy and because I can’ mechanic is that it was rife in the last Chaos Shuffle when no one knew what they were going to get and no one could depend on a specific load out.
I understand killers don’t want their easy wins taken away, but survivors didn’t want the hatch to be nerfed and it was. Thing that are problematic need change.

Slugging is only an "easy" win, if Survivors use their tools to punish trying to hook as hard as possible. Slugging is not meta, as we see by the low useage of slugging perks. It is not completely unviable, but its still not nearly as good as hooking with gen regression/blockage.

in Slugging Comment by VibranToucan February 6, 2025

@AmpersandUnderscore said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3881201#Comment_3881201
Nope.
It's easy to do, and hard to counter. And content creators started promoting it.
That's the entire reason right there.
All of those changes were about 6 months before this "slugging meta" began, and are just the typical excuse of "if you buff me and nerf them this will go away". That has never worked for camping and tunneling, and won't work here either.
The only thing that will work is what they've done with other similar bully style "strategies" that aren't intended by normal gameplay, like 3 genning for an hour, intending to escape via hatch as a team from the lobby, and double locker saves. Those took a base kit mechanic to make it impossible to pull off indefinitely to finally kill those "strategies" too.
What that looks like, I don't know. But BHVR send to be looking into this problem.

People already complained about slugging months ago. It's not like slugging began in 2025.

It got more intense recently due to some of the recent changes (shoulder the burden, claiming to fix flashbangs but making them even more bugged, flashbangs being at the highest usage rate ever, etc...)

Also, by the time we had basekit anti 3 genning we have already long been out of the 3 gen meta and in the pop pain res meta.

in Slugging Comment by VibranToucan February 6, 2025

Knockout is used in 1.7% of all recorded games. Meaning, statistically speaking, if you play 1000 games you see it on average in 17 matches.

What changed to encourage slugging?

Shoulder the Burden was added, Decisive Strike was buffed, sabotage was buffed, hook times were increased, Flashbangs are allowed to stay bugged in the game, perks that encourage hooking (pain res, pop, grim embrace) are nerfed meanwhile perks that punish trying to hook either get buffed (for example Flashbang) or get compensation buffs if they do get changed (for example Background Player)

in Slugging Comment by VibranToucan February 6, 2025

That would be a very political topic, so I don't think bhvr wants to get into that.

in Can we get country flags as charms?? Comment by VibranToucan February 4, 2025

I only partly agree. My issue is that due to variantions they have a bigger chance of being selected. So like since there are 5 Badhams, the chance of going there is 5/59. However there is only 1 Dead Dawg Saloon. So the odds of going there are. is only 1/59.

I think they should keep them, but make it so that they count as the same map for Map selection. So instead of Badham 1 to 5 all counting as 5 seperate maps that all have their own chance of being selected there is 1 Badham-option that has the same chance of being selected as one sole map, like Dead Dawg, and if it is selected you randomly get 1 out of the 5 possible maps.

in Remove Map Variants! Comment by VibranToucan February 2, 2025

I play Dead by Daylight. I get a daily for weak Killer I don't play that much. I equip a mid build. I queue up as that Killer. The Survivors bring a Map Offering. I don't tunnel, and I go for the insta pick up even when another Survivor is nearby. Over the course of the match I get two Survivors hooked twice. I already got my daily so I play chill and try to ignore them. They complete the gens and open the gates. I do spins with them at the exit gate. All 4 escape. I'm ready to say "GG" in end game chat. Read "EZ", "you play like ass", "noob killer", "tutorial", "learn to play", etc… I switch to my browser and open the forums. I read a post about how killers mains are extremely toxic.

Screw it, I am switching to Blight.

in EZ what a bully Term... Comment by VibranToucan February 1, 2025

Using clocks literally just makes his power useless for 30 seconds. He is not OP

in Freddy is really overtuned Comment by VibranToucan January 31, 2025

@CursedPerson said:
This has been something going on for a while. Adding restrictions to weak perks just seems backwards to me. I do not understand this at all.
Wake-up - why did it need survivors to be alive- your punishing the survivor using the perk for teammates dying.
calm spirit - why is there unnecessary downside to have totems take longer
Cut loose - How are you even supposed to use this perk with the number of restrictions and while quick and quiet exists
Friendly competition - after prove thyself nerf this bad perk was left in the gutter you have to use negative gen efficiency to get a measly +5% for a short time
Invocations - these are always a massive wasted time investment for perma-broken????
potential energy - a potentially mediocre perk gatekept by the fact its too risky to use. Its already a negative time investment why does it need to lose everything on injure
Technician - for the love of new players why is the training wheels perk so punishing? do they really need to be punished for using this perk? Most players would rather run any other perk then the one that makes their missed skill checks even more punishing.
This is just some of the problems. Please consider not adding so many downsides to the least used perks in the game. Anyone else have perks i missed?

The issue with Technician and Calm Spirit come from perk tiers. Percentage changes like that are easy to adjust and there needs to be things that change to justify having to level up a perk.

in Survivor perk design philosophy needs re-evaluation. Too many downsides are being placed. Comment by VibranToucan January 30, 2025

@JPLongstreet said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3877456#Comment_3877456
They messed around with the 3-gen issue because it takes coordination to overcome, not just that it's unfun. Solos and most duos cannot coordinate like that.

So does Cenobite, yet I dont see people calling to remove him from the game.

in Remove the Generator Regression Event Limit Comment by VibranToucan January 28, 2025

@kit_mason said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3877456#Comment_3877456
Except that prerunning doesnt hand-craft 45+ minute matches of barely-interactive walking up to and then away from the same generator whilst the killer brute forces the mistakes that cost survivors the match. I don't see how the two are equivalent in scope at all.
Ditto for Thrill, really. The perk may be overtuned but its overtuned within the scope of a normal match of DBD. It isn't going to force a match duration out well beyond what is expected of the survivors queueing.
If your problem is with Eruption, advocate for buffing Eruption, not recreating a system of play that wastes everyones time for almost an hour (longer were it not for the fact that at an hour the lobby closes itself).

I mean in that case your abetrary standard is different from mine. Not much to say.

in Remove the Generator Regression Event Limit Comment by VibranToucan January 28, 2025

@kit_mason said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/437508/remove-the-generator-regression-event-limit
3 genning sucks to play against. Killers like Singularity, even pre-buff, were far too adept at it and still are even with the kick limit in play. Removing it returns stall metas to the forefront, which aren't fun to play against now and wouldnt be if Eruption was brought back in. Sure, other unfun strats continue to exist, but why bring back this unfun strat just because they haven't gotten around to the other ones yet (and may not have clean solutions for the others at any point?)
And re. prerunning, it's a part of a survivor's toolkit. If you're not applying enough pressure, then the loss is deserved, especially if you're running heavy slowdown setups.

"And re. prerunning, it's a part of a survivor's toolkit. If you're not applying enough pressure, then the loss is deserved, especially if you're running heavy slowdown setups."
You could say the same in reverse. 3 genning is a part of the killers toolbox. If Survivors arent applying enough pressure to the right generators, then the loss is deserved.

Yet 3 genning was removed from the killers toolkit, due to being too unfun.

"Sure, other unfun strats continue to exist, but why bring back this unfun strat just because they haven't gotten around to the other ones yet (and may not have clean solutions for the others at any point?)"

They havent just not gone around to it, they are buffing them. Look at sabotage or thrill of the hunt. Also, they killed Eruption twice , that is not a clean way of removing 3 genning.

in Remove the Generator Regression Event Limit Comment by VibranToucan January 28, 2025

Add penalty for giving up on hook, but keep DC penalty. Maybe even combine them as 1 give up penalty.

The reason bots for DCs were added was so teams weren't completely left behind of someone DCed. Not to give people the option to leave a match whenever they want.

in Remove penalty for abandoning the match and add penalties for giving up the hook Comment by VibranToucan January 25, 2025

@jesterkind said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3875757#Comment_3875757
I feel like this hypothetical is getting away from us here.
At this stage you're talking about a scenario where nobody is doing generators, everyone is getting downed one after another, and even when they pick themselves up they go right back towards the killer instead of resetting.
That doesn't sound like a game the survivors are going to win, to me. One of them is, unavoidably, going to go down next to a tall enough structure that they can be picked up, and if nobody is doing generators it doesn't matter how long that takes.

It is a winning scenario. Because if one of them manages to chase zou around for long enough the others can recover.