MoNosEmpire

@MrPeanutbutter said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3337830#Comment_3337830
exactly. you never see 4 SBs or 4 Lithes in a match. You see 4 DHs in a match *all the time*. Let’s stop and think about why this is the case

To be fair, regardless of what perk it is, if it's a struggle to handle people are going to complain, better the perk you know than the one you don't. Everyone is hating on dead hard but they will REALLY get annoyed after people start using smash hit. L and SB are OP but smash hit is on a whole different level.

People will start complaining about the 7 second distance from stun + smash hit. I say we just keep DH how it is, it's still 50/50, just like pallets. I doubt any other change will be made to it.

in LEAVE DEAD HARD ALONE Comment by MoNosEmpire February 6, 2023

@jinx3d said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335367#Comment_3335367
yes they do, lmao. they dont see the issue in it, or camping. dbd is the only game where people complain about dying first

i had no idea how to loop when i first started and neither did my friends, i got battered the first month lol

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 6, 2023

@Bwsted said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335040#Comment_3335040
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335651#Comment_3335651
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334998#Comment_3334998
I would argue that 7% is not a small chance at all, especially when that applies to 4 people independently.
Also, default skill check chance is what? 8% ? That means you have essentially the same chance of getting an impossibile skill check when leaving as you do getting a nomal one when you stay on repair. Now, think about how many of those you get and the picture becomes clearer.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335375#Comment_3335375
That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Although, I'm not entirely sure I understand. Do you have that option enabled that you press the repair button to get on the gen and then you don't have to hold it down to repair? (I forget how it's called in the menu, action toggle or something).
So, essentially, if you just press the repair button again you leave the gen preventing the skill check. Is that what you meant?

Np, and yes I do have that setting on! Forgot all about it lol

in Skill checks when leaving gens Comment by MoNosEmpire February 6, 2023

@SkeletalElite said:
I've tried to make this perk work for anti 3 gen
but it just doesn't
It's so bad.
Even if you run into a 3 genning killer it just isn't good at its job at all. You have to repair for 30 seconds to get 20 seconds to dump on another gen. That means youre repairing at 66% speed with the perk equipped. You literally repair faster while affected by pentimento.
Even if you spend all that time on a totally safe gen without being interrupted because youre CONFIDENT the killer is going to stick in the 3 gen, there's no guarantee that 20 tokens will be enough to make a significant impact. Like you spend all that time charging the perk up and you arrive to fight a 3 gen and put a gen that was at 15% progress, to 35% and then he kicks it again. It loses 15% in the time it takes you to your team to stop the regression. Then meg goes down it loses another 10% to eruption and youre put on 25 second time out while the gen loses another 5%
For this perk to have any use:
the killer has to be 3 genning so hard you can safely charge it without risk
your team has to be fighting it without your help well enough that getting 20 charges actually puts a generator close to complete or completes it. Something that is often mutually exclusive with the previous point because if they can do this you likely didn't even need the perk to begin with
When you arrive at the 3 gen you have to use it basically instantly or else you're just going to lose the progress and waste all that time you spent charging it at 66% speed. This is often times incompatible with the previous point since without you actively helping at a 3 gen it is difficult to get enough progress on the gen.
If you want to run a perk that makes 3 genning harder, youre far better off running circle of healing, so your team can consistently heal to avoid getting destroyed by attrition. Alternatively, Prove thyself is a consistent increase in repair speed that will add up when fighting a 3 gen. It even helps a bit against eruption, since you can stand by a gen and let it be 1 man repaired by your teammate 15% faster and take over if they get erupted.
There's so much baggage associated with this perk. There are several ways you can fix it, Ill write 3 ways I thought of. Please just let this perk be good at its niche of anti 3 gen, it just doesn't do that as is right now.
If this perk had a much larger max number of tokens, it would still be risky because you can lose it but the progress gain provided after spending a long time "repairing slowly" would almost always be significant. If this was the only change made it would need to be at least doubled, maybe tripled.
If it didn't have the condition of losing the tokens on being hit, you can get it on a safe gen and then save it for a key moment to break the 3 gen.
If it wasn't actually any slower than repairing regularly, it still wouldn't be fantastic, but it would be better. Time spent getting charges off a safe gen is time that you're not preventing the killer from regressing the 3 gens. At least using it wouldn't just be hurting your team outright by slowing progress on the gens, and it can be used as a free head start on the 3 gen.
It would probably be good with one of or a hybrid of these changes, but as is. I cannot recommend anyone use this perk as a counter to 3 gen for the reasons outlined in the begining of the post.

I liked the idea of it at first and the cool animation when using it but when it took time away from doing one gen to do another I knew it would be bad. If the full squad used it it would be OP, but in it's current state you may as well just forget it, there's so many other better perks to use.

in Potential Energy is just, not good at it's niche Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

BHVR should add some sort of skill check minigame while we wait which gives us more BP, so survivors will be happy when killers have eruption lol

in Mission: (Im)possible - Eruption Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@BlueHorkew said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334724#Comment_3334724
I don't even know if you are trolling or giving genuine advice. So i will just say that it doesn't work like that and move on

Na not here to troll or joke around, it does work just check out my comment ^, hopefully you understand it better.

in Skill checks when leaving gens Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@LapisInfernalis said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334724#Comment_3334724
it happens in both circumstances. Otzdarva made a video on this, although him claiming that these type of skillchecks only appear at around 7% is hillarious. It happens a lot more often, and it frustrates me every single time.
Want to heal a teammate? Sure, boom, now the killer will come while we heal!

No idea who Ortzdarva is, and I'm not too sure on how it's happening on PC but that's how I'm circumventing it on Console, works 100% of the time.

in Skill checks when leaving gens Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@ratcoffee said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334724#Comment_3334724
what on earth do you mean by this? what is "going off a gen like normal" and how does it differ from "sprinting off the gen"?
do you think that last-second skill checks like, retroactively go back in time and blow up your gen if you press the shift key within a certain time frame of leaving the gen? that's the only thing i can possibly imagine you mean, but I also know you're not saying that because that would be ridiculous. please clarify what you mean

So I play on console. I noticed a few days after the gen changes to 90s patch that because I had "auto sprint" on by default from the options menu, if I held L1 (My sprint button) to get off a gen, the gen would blow up like 90% of the time. So I looked for a solution to stop it cause it was really annoying me at the time, I then realised that if I just pressed Square (the same button to get onto the gen and where your animation is walking off the gen) it would never blow up.

Hope I cleared up any confusion for anyone.

in Skill checks when leaving gens Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@DBDVulture said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334683#Comment_3334683
-"And FYI there is no such thing as "gen tunnelling" and there never will be"
Then I refuse to acknowledge there is any tunneling in DBD. Survivors play efficient and do their objective as quickly as possible and so does the killer.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3335033#Comment_3335033
-"Ok so what causes Tunneling? And why can one side get away with doing it but not the other???"
Survivors don't get to interact with the killer if the killer tunnels. Killers don't get to have meaningful chases if the survivors tunnel generators.
We need Basekit Deadlock with rollback protection. If two gens get finished at exactly the same time just roll one back to 99%. Make the perk of the same name extend the blockage for +30 seconds.

It's called gen rushing not gen tunnelling.

Here's an entire reddit post dedicated to it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/deadbydaylight/comments/ttyqn8/what_is_gen_tunneling/

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@RaSavage42 said:
Ok so what causes Tunneling? And why can one side get away with doing it but not the other???
Gens being done- that's a given... but it isn't the end of the world (is it worth more to lose a Gen or 2 at the start of the match or the last 2 Gens and the gates being at 99%)
Bodyblocking- that's a choice made by the Survivor (whom just got unhooked)
Quick Saves- that's a choice made by the Survivor (whom just got the save)
MMR screw job- it could happen...
SWF's- not so much... but the Killer can't see if it's true or not
Map- sure why not... Maps are either Killer sided or Survivor sided not many that are truly balanced
Now on the Survivors side... cause they do it as well... but it isn't brought up as much
Early hooks- fair enough... A way to gain pressure
Gen perks- ok... might as well finish a Gen before the Killer can get any regression on it
Maps- same as I said before
MMR screw job- it happens
Killer camping- yes might as well get all of the Gens done that you can
3 Genning- mostly Survivors fault... but a Killer can force it
Start of the match- yes cause the Killer doesn't have any pressure... but chose wisely (see point above as to why)
Gens being harder to do- that's a bit shaky but whatever

The reason they do it is simple as explained by others above, at the start of the game they focus 1 person to force a 3v1, and because it's so easy to do and you don't get punished for it at all. All anti-tunnel perks got a heavy nerf so it's even easier now than it was pre-patch.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@TeabaggingGhostface said:
Then you'll get more little shits trying to force tunnelling by standing in a doorway making you hit them to past

Killers are already tunnelling regardless it makes no difference at this point. God forbid you're a TTV streamer you're always being selectively targeted instead of everyone else. And then BHVR added a function to hide your name, but oh yeah if you're on console and you activate it, on PC they still see your name as clear as day. Pointless.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@jinx3d said:
this would be abusable asf, punish new players, and lead to even more 4 regression nurses

New players don't even know how to loop let alone tunnel.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@FMG15 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334616#Comment_3334616
I literally told you in this comment why I disagree with your "solution" to tunneling and explained my solution to this problem. Rewarding instead of punishing. Your idea wouldn't work at all. Yes I was being sarcastic at parts but you know what? I also told you my point seriously. Isn't that part of a discussion? Telling you exactly why I disagree with you and proposing an actual solution?

Regardless I'm not here for jokes.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 3, 2023

@BrownEncrustedBoxers said:
In most horror movies, the last survivor barely escapes but not before doing something that appears to KILL the killer. Wouldn't it be great if the survivor had the option to close the hatch themselves, but by doing so, is allowed to set a trap somewhere on the map to presumably kill the killer? A flame trap, a spear trap, an electrocution trap, something that provides a really cool "death" animation that automatically opens up the doors so the final survivor can escape.
Thoughts?

All survivors collect parts to craft a huge frying pan and then bash the killers head in with them by all pressing a button at the exact same time lol.

in "Killing" the killer Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@BrownEncrustedBoxers said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334033#Comment_3334033
On the contrary, tunneling is a guaranteed way to lose "against survivors who have any skill". If you run into a killer who tunnels, not because they are just repaying toxicity with toxicity, but as an actual strategy, then they are usually low skill killers... which means that you get your best runner and loop him and distract him the whole match while everyone else pops gens. It's even EASIER now to do this with the HUD. If your losing to a killer who tunnels, it's simply because you suck.

Not really, you can keep the killer busy all game and still not get +2 because you didn't get a chance to get on the gen or escape.

You're saying its a low skill issue when it's abundance in all ranks is there. The higher you go up the more you see it.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Emeal said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334681#Comment_3334681
use off the record then

I used to, I don't use it no more. It's good up until an extent.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@BlueHorkew said:
Would it be possible to let survivors do the normal skill check when leaving a gen, similar to how overcharge works.
Its really ######### to get hit with a penalty because of random bad luck with no fault of your own, and now potential energy got really hurt in the patch notes. A survivor can be loosing time, for an advantage that the killer can remove with just an M1, getting a random skill check when leaving the gen and loosing all of that progress is just the worst feeling possible.
Just make regular skill checks like the overcharge, so at least you give survivors a chance to not get destroyed by bad luck.
PLS

To stop the skill check when leaving gens, don't sprint off the gen, just go off it like normal.

in Skill checks when leaving gens Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

I've seen that if you aim the flashlight at the killers upper chest it seems to blind them more often than actually aiming at the face.

in PS5 FLASHLIGHT BLINDS DON'T ALWAYS WORK. Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@DBDVulture said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/363018/this-is-how-tunnelling-should-be-nerfed
Survivors tunnel Generators so killers respond by tunneling survivors. If we are going to address tunneling we need to address how it can be prevented for both sides or not at all.
There needs to be a base mechanic where hooking three different people gives you more than just hooking one person three times.
Deadlock needs to be base kit and have rollback protection so that even if computer bots finished 2 gens at the same time then one would get rolled back to 99% completion.
Change Deadlock to just extend the timer by 30 seconds.

I've already addressed half of this, read previous comments.

And FYI there is no such thing as "gen tunnelling" and there never will be so please stop referring to it as that. Now if you mentioned Gen Rushing, that would make sense.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Stroggz said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/363018/this-is-how-tunnelling-should-be-nerfed
Try playing both sides of this game, you'll get a better perspective on that issue.

1K hours ofc I've played both sides.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Emeal said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334627#Comment_3334627
Oh they have some pretty good tools, but if you want to never have the Killer be a threat then they are bad tools indeed-
However bHVR isnt working to eliminate the threat level of the Killer.
So the question is, what would you consider a tool to work against tunneling?

You say good tools yet their last change to reduce tunnelling has done nothing except make the killer count a rough timer and still continue you tunnel anyway. Touché.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Emeal said:
No, this is a very bad idea. Sometimes you have to tunnel. Give survivors anti tunnel tools instead.

BHVR have been trying that and failing lol

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Thralfazuz said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/363018/this-is-how-tunnelling-should-be-nerfed
How about instead of adding your idea, the perks that encourage going for diferent survivors get a buff, Forced penance, Pop goes the weasel, BBQ bloodpoints. BHVR said another perk update is coming in the roadmap
But let's imagine your idea get's added, what if the killer is against all the same survivor swf, same outfit, hidden name, and he tunnels one by accident because they all look the same, so now what he get's punished for that

I see another perk update coming, and SBMM would also circumvent that from happening.

I've had the same killer like 4x in a row too so it would be nice.

I'm more than happy for everyone to throw their two cents into this discussion about how we could change tunnelling as a whole but I do see limiting it to still specific perks forces killers to use select ones, which would be unhealthy for the game in the longrun, Unless it's base-kit in in some way.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Veinslay said:
Hello,
I got home from another day at the office tonight, and I powered up my gaming console entertainment system to play some Dead by Daylight. I find out that I have an Oni daily to down four survivors while I'm in my power. Okay, no problem, I can do that. Now, I'm very not good mechanically at using Oni. I only play him for dailies or challenges. I'm also only an average killer player. For the very first game of the night, I get to enjoy this extremely fun game of Dead by Daylight.
I implore you to watch the video of this match below. I would love to hear one compelling reason why this perk should continue to exist in its current form. Its absurd. It needs to be changed to do something completely different. Thanks for watching. I apologize for the jerky camera movement, I can't do anything about it. It's a combination of console camera movement and some stick drift on my joystick. I don't really notice it when I play, but I understand it's very noticeable in the video. And once again, I'd like to reiterate, yes I know I'm not good with Oni at all.
https://youtu.be/WZ_6BDqD-OI

I don't see dead hard being the issue here, I think you just need to mind game more. You know the survivors have it but you're swinging almost instantly every time. If you waited at least 2 seconds before swinging you would see them waste DH. It really is that simple.

Your across map sprint ability, that's pretty easy to DH against because the killer is physically running to you, you can also mess it up too against a killer. It's still a 50/50 chance.

in Dead Hard is overpowered and miserable to play against. It needs to be reworked again. (Video) Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Blinckx said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334611#Comment_3334611
A bonsu like a semi Dying light effect
Let's say i hook player A, as long i do not hook player A again before i have hooked player B, survivors receive a 5% gen speed penality. If i then hoob B the penality increae to 8% ( rough numbers, don't nitpink on those are just for example ). Then i stumbole on A, i hook him again but i do not lose any bonuses since both hooks were not directly one after the other. And so on.
This is, by far, the best way to prevent tunneling

I can get behind something like that, I think 4% is still too little though, I can also see the killer hooking A, then B, then slugging the rest. That would most likely be the new tactic with that. Could work though. But most killers would just ignore it I still think.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@FMG15 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334047#Comment_3334047
I was merely doing a joke. You literally said as a solution that you can't hit a survivor twice meaning that you can down NOBODY so you can't do your objective. And yes you do the gens by holding m1 obviously but you know there is that thing called loadout. And there are those perks that are being called gen progression perks. And those are fairly common nowadays, might I say way too common. What I'm trying to say is that survivors are focusing more and more on gen efficiency. BNPs are not a rarity anymore and quite few survivors run almost 4 gen perks. And that is obviously okay. It's their objective thus it's in their interest to get it done quickly. Instead of being altruisic and more focused on chases survivors are leaning more and more to sticking to gens just like killers are tunneling more commonly. Both sides want to be efficient doing their objective and that is fine.
But hey if you are really against tunneling I have an amazing idea that couldn't be abused by survivors: BP incentives for fair play. Why shoud we always punish for being a naughty player when we can reward the good ones instead? Maybe make the now patched out BBQ stacks basekit? And to incentivize survivors to be more altruistic we can make the former WGLF BP stacks basekit as well. That sounds like the way to go for me.

I'm honestly just going to stop replying to you. OF COURSE I know what perks are when I have over 1,000 Hours in the game. If I wanted jokes or sarcasm I would join a circus. I'm here for DISCUSSIONS. Either keep to the topic or don't comment at all. THANKS.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Blinckx said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334225#Comment_3334225
"the same way that you're getting mad that survivors are teabagging."
Could you please stop assuming things about me since we don't know each other? Because, i know that's shocking, i don't care if they teabag me or call me names in end game chat or write -rep on my steam page, really i couldn't care less
"And then the killer will just tunnel AND do whatever has a higher value."
And nope, the bonus persist as long you don't hook twice the same survivor, if you decide to hook twice then you loose the value, your choice

My mistake the second part of that sentence was for brown, no idea why it was mixed up in your reply. Easy to do with me replying to multiple convo's in here.

What bonus are you talking about exactly? I for one would care less if it was just a flat XP or Bloodpoint bonus.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 2, 2023

@Blinckx said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334024#Comment_3334024
"You want SWF bully squads addressed yes'?"
not really, no i don't care.
"Not ruin the fun for 1 person"
Not my concern if you are having fun or not, i want to win and, that's the best tactic so far

The whole point of the game is to have fun, t he same way that you're getting mad that survivors are teabagging.

"You don't need any nerfs, you need to give the killers something that has a higher value than tunneling."

And then the killer will just tunnel AND do whatever has a higher value. Regardless tunnelling does need to be addressed. There's no doubt about that. It's easy mode killer season right now and the game in its current state is a joke.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@[Deleted User] said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3334033#Comment_3334033
But that's the thing, it is harder to win against survivors with any game sense if you don't employ these tactics. So instead of promoting punishing the player maybe promote for BHVR to look at ways to make getting 12 hooks viable.

That's another thing I noticed, it's waay too easy to get 4k as a killer. I believe that's another reason why there's bully SWF squads, also because of the huge influx of tunnelling from killers, and survivors naturally want their revenge.

I do think new objectives do need to be added to the game for both sides to make it more interesting.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@FMG15 said:
This is how genrushing should be nerfed
Its clear that genrushing will always be an issue, yes its a "strategy" but it becomes obnoxious when 9/10 games that's all you ever see.
I propose a cap on genrushing. How it would work would be by the following;
If survivor is genrushing to win in a game
The next 2 games the survivor will be unable to work on a gen
If the survivor rage quits/dc's in any of these two games, it will add +1 to the genrushing cooldown timer
This would not only make the game fun again, it would make the game fluid again too!
See how ridiculous that sounds if you flip the coin? Getting a survivor out of the game quickly or being efficient on gens are valid strategys (yes it IS a strategy even though you don't like to admit that given that you put quotation marks on strategy) to win the game. It is in the best interest of both sides to beat the other that's how the game works. If you don't like getting tunelled maybe play another game because it makes no sense whatsoever to "balance" it. A 3v1 is much easier to deal with thatn a 4v1.

Please can you not comment if you're going to propose something which makes 0 sense, you can only repair a gen, you can't repair a gen 3 different ways.

And by the way my issue isn't with tunnelling, its that tunnelling is too common for a game that is supposed to have multiple strategies to win.

And I did stop playing, I deleted the game for a while, but now that I'm back it's the same thing.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@HardhatKrugerer said:
Being able to loop killer for eternity is great way how to win the game. I have two builds what are absolutely perfect for looping and being a support. I´m looking for them most of the time. Its amazing practicing to find the killer. Give him straght and norrow sight at you and then start with chase. Lithe, Windows of Oportunity, Inner Healing and Small game/Counterforce. And second buld is We´ll make it, Botany Knowledge and 150% healing speed is atrociously hilarious, Prove Thyself, Bond/Empathy. Thats how I climbed to the high level. With these builds its very easy to practice game from both sides of objectives. Especially that heal build. Imagine speed of healing while We´ll make it, Prove Thyself and Botany Knowledge are in game at one time. Its really. REALLY hilarious how fast you can heal as survivor.

Healing builds are ridiculously fun. My go to at one point was, Autodidact, WGLF, Stake out and Botany Knowledge, picked up someone at the gate in under 6s or something stupid after he got knocked lol.

I'm fine with chases but I'm just completely sick and tired of there being no other strategy that's dominant. If stats showed that it was split 33% each for tunnelling/camping/slugging I'd honestly be fine with it. Hook camping has kind of completely gone now though, I hardly see it except for the escape phase.

And as for your reply above, they need to add more objectives in general, it's too easy to reach end game phase with just 5 gens, we need another incentive, more gens, different types of objectives, and an abundance of ideas need to be added to the game to expand it's playerbase.

I feel like the amount of perks we're able to equip should increase too, we should be able to have 5 equip-able perks for survivors and 6 for killers, as well as more gens to do in general, or maybe the survivors have to find a pipe that's below the ground on the map to activate all the generators, which the killer is unable to see and the spawn point is random, that would instantly slow the game down. What do you think?

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@Distortion_Enjoyer said:
extremely doubtful, killer mains would have a meltdown if bhvr tried to fix tunneling, tunneling is the easiest and most effective way to win, the community has been begging for mercy from camping and tunelling for years so......

You said it yourself buddy, tunnelling is easy mode for killers, it should be harder than that to win.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@BrownEncrustedBoxers said:
No. When I play killer, the only time I tunnel is when I encounter a teabagging tryhard who thinks they are a clever "runner/looper" for their team. Teabag me after a failed pallet stun or a clean vault? Tunnel until death. Taunt me with the flashlight? Tunnel until death. I no longer care about the other 3 survivors until that first lucky winner of stupid prizes for playing stupid games is dead. No, don't take away my toxic revenge for toxic behaviour. You're basically asking for Behavior to ban the ability to be toxic on one side... nope... sorry kiddo.
Also, if you're getting tunnelled 9 out of 10 games, you really need to start evaluating your game play. If you were good at the game, you'd know that being tunnelled isn't necessarily a bad thing as you could keep the killer busy while your team pops gens and you all escape happy. So, it sounds like you aren't good at running. Also, if it's occurring 9 out of 10 times, this also means that you're terrible at stealth as you seem to be getting caught... a lot. Basically, people who post stuff like this need to look in the mirror and come to grips with the fact that they need to get better at the game instead of looking for participation awards.

Ah yes, the "you're being tunnelled almost every game so you must definitely be teabagging the killer, it must not have anything to do with the fact that you have TTV in your name" argument. I didn't know that your reasons of why you tunnel people accounts for the other 99% of killers.

I should not need to sweat hard enough that it'll fill up the entire ocean every single game, I should not be forced to run the same boring 4 perks when there's an entire catalogue of perks in the game, I should not need to be tunnelled every game AND left on the hook at the end of it while my teammates gen rush and leave me to die on the hook.

Maybe just stop and actually think about what you've wrote. I have over 7K hours in the game, I know how to take chase, that's not the point here, the point of this post isn't about my skill issue, it's about TUNNELLING, Stick to it or don't post please, thanks.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@mr_Beast_Artist said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/363018/this-is-how-tunnelling-should-be-nerfed
You can make it so that the killer cannot pick up the survivor if he was only unhooked within 3 minutes

Good idea but 3 minutes is too long, it would become an issue instantly. Especially since gens take 90s to do without any perks/toolboxes.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@Blinckx said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3333507#Comment_3333507
So ?
As long as tunneling is the best tactic in play to be able to win, it is obvious that it will happen more and more often.
You don't need any nerfs, you need to give the killers something that has a higher value than tunneling.
For example a version of dyling light or tanatophobia as a basekit, the more hooks the killer makes the more malus the survivors have to repair the generators, in this way a killer want to do less tunnel and more hooks.

What do you mean SO?

Its just like what's happening in call of duty right now, SO MANY WEAPONS and everyone in the BR is choosing LMG's, which is the next nerf that's about to be dished out for the next season.

Just because its a tactic doesn't mean it should be in 90 PERCENT + of games. That's abysmal stats for a game that boasts about having "multiple strategies" to win.

Everyone here complaining that tunnelling should not be nerfed are the main reason why it needs to be nerfed, so they're forced to learn how to play the game and not ruin the fun for 1 person. You want SWF bully squads addressed yes? Then I want Tunnelling addressed.

in This is how tunnelling should be nerfed Comment by MoNosEmpire February 1, 2023

@FellowKillerMain said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3333488#Comment_3333488
It was a joke to illustrate that the post is just as "out there". They're both pertaining to completing objectives. The circumstance you use doesn't happen every time, and doesn't happen to every survivor, nor every game. That circumstance could be given a killer spin too, "Killing the survivors is the objective, not selectively picking one generator because you don't like the speed or working alone, or you decided that because it took you more than 2 minutes to finish the first gen it's time to tunnel just that one gen and completely forget about the other gens."

See that's where you're wrong, today I've had about 10 or so games where the killer has tunnelled just me but it's not been too bad, but every single other time I've played since the DH, BO, and DS nerf, either myself or someone else has been tunnelled. It's happening a lot more than you're making it out to be. If need be I will screen shot and post EVERY single game I play from this point onwards to prove it.