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This website is very helpful if you want to mock up a perk.
Make your own custom Dead By Daylight perks. Choose from 5 different templates.Edit: I just wanted something that might stop tunneling.
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I like the aesthetic of gold accessories, purple as the main color, and the snake and flower motifs, but man... Can we stop with the short-shorts?
They don't fit her character at all, same with the fishnet shirt.
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Hey. :)
I really, really like Ghost Face. ;)
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I think Legion's Blight skin is horrifying because it's four people being fused into one body and it's hinted at being self-aware.
For some reason I find the Wraith's Scarecrow skin to be unsettling.
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Zooming in here!
The Spirit and the Oni are Japanese, and Yun-Jin and the Trickster are Korean.
Not sure how old your graphic is and I didn't see a post about it yet, but I thought I'd drop a line about it just in case!
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@Grandpa_Crack_Pipe said:
I propose a simple solution--
Never mention anything about relationships or sexuality, ever. No one has girlfriends or boyfriends.
No one being included means everyone is included.
Honestly? I'd be fine with this.
I have no issues with people writing or believing a character to be x or y.
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Pick up every Add-On that talks about ricochet and speed increase, and be aggressive af.
That's all I have.
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@Hex_Llama said:
Sometimes I wonder if trolly questions like this actually help the community, because they cause us to ritualistically explain why inclusion is good every couple of days.
On one hand, I want people to understand so I don't have to see threads like this everywhere I go.
On the other, Google is right there. Right ######### there.
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@Another_LegionMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2167597#Comment_2167597
Don't mistake fan made ships with official relationships made by BHVR.
Yeah, the charm of the Nurse and the Wraith dancing, as well as the comments about them being a "thing" are totally fan-made
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@Grandpa_Crack_Pipe said:
I propose a simple solution--
Never mention anything about relationships or sexuality, ever. No one has girlfriends or boyfriends.
No one being included means everyone is included.
Honestly? I'd be fine with this.
I have no issues with people writing or believing a character to be x or y.
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@MadLordJack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2167570#Comment_2167570
Yeah, jsut a few mentions here and there with David, Felix, Nurse and I think a few others. Exactly the kind of thing that could just have reversed pronouns and be perfect representation.
This is what I keep telling people.
A single line. BAM. Done and canon. End of story.
Apex Legends literally just did it with their newest Legend.
Everything BHVR comes up with at this point is an excuse, and lazy ones at that.
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This will be a fun thread.
As to answer your question: people want a LGBTQA+ character because a) BHVR has gone on and on about being inclusive and all that, and b) they've added heterosexual relationships, so why not have a homosexual one?
The Nurse had a husband and Felix is implied to have had a girlfriend. BHVR specifically went out of their way to add those character facts when they could have not had them at all; the Nurse's husband dying is a path they chose to take the story when they could have just as easily made her take the job to provide for her family.
Furthermore, no one is asking for a character to be sexual and the fact that you are immediately equating wanting a LGBTQA+ character with riding another man's dick is homophobic, intentional or not. We are asking for information in character bios or the Archive. Obviously, I don't speak for everyone but I would be so happy if there was a line in a Dwight Archive page that mentioned his past boyfriend, even if it's a single line.
Other games do it easily. Apex Legends has several LGBTQA+ characters and their sexuality has no bearing on the game but is rather just fun lore.
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Okay but please consider Shirtless Ghost Face.
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Clown knows that pre-marital sex is a sin. By adding the porn he's punishing the survivors.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2163044#Comment_2163044
100%. I've read through the whole thread and some of the comments just gave me super uncomfortable vibes - really didn't sit right with me how certain things were worded.
LGBTQ+ people aren't inherently political - we're just people. It's a shame we're often not seen that way.
Look, everyone knows the Gays™ are a secret plot by the leftist government to force IDPol on everyone. We're just political statements!
/s
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Okay fam.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162973#Comment_2162973
Many of the devs are LGBT themselves, just for the record.
Didn't know that, thank you! The only one I interact with regularly is Mclean and he still won't answer my lore question of "Do the survivors get clean clothes after each Trial?"😫
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@JimboMason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162934#Comment_2162934
Good point, I'll keep this in mind, and, if I ever gave any bad vibes, I would love for this game to have some representation, I just don't want it to be something that the devs do to look nice.
So honestly the way to do this without coming off as 'pandering' is for BHVR to listen to their audience, speak to actual LGBTQ+ characters, and actually look into the representation they're bringing to the table. They clearly worked hard on All-Kill (regardless of what's thought of with the update), going so far as to talk to actual KPOP stars and people in that industry.
Researching can only take them so far. They need to actively talk to people in the community to learn. My experiences and wants as a trans man are most likely very different from other trans men's, and so while there is no middle ground it's still a good place to start.
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@CornHub said:
You have to remember BHVR is just a business like everyone else. As long as there's no financial or PR incentive, they probably won't.
The incentive is my gay money.
I've already spent money on this game for stupid skins, so don't think I wouldn't spend money for Felix wearing a Trans* Flag or Nea with the Lesbian flag. Rub my gay little hands all over this game.
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@JimboMason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162890#Comment_2162890
Wait do you half agree with my point or disagree with it, I understand its fictional but I'm talking about the themes and deeper details that we were given, and why things are the way they are.
Probably a bit of both tbqh.
I agree with you in saying that a relationship in a game like this should serve a purpose to the story. That's why I said I just want a character who mentions, in their Bio, Archive, and Add-ons, that they are trans or gay. That's it.
However, I disagree with that saying that diversity can be represented through charms, cosmetics, events, etc., because as seen with the Nurse and Felix, the DBD devs do write relationships out for their characters. They do think of things like that, and so there's no reason not to include a homosexual relationship or a trans character. They've included straight characters in their lore, in pieces that are out in the open and unavoidable, so why not do that with a gay one.
Don't hide it in the charms or the events or flavor text. We got it loud and clear that the Nurse was at least in a straight relationship, so why can't we get that for someone else.
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@JimboMason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162833#Comment_2162833
Actually, there is, Nurse wanted to start a family with the man she loved, she wanted to start a life of joy and freedom, Andrew was the key to that, but when he died, he became the key piece into nurse's descent into madness, pain, and torment.
Edit: also the fact that andrew was the supplier of the two
Fun fact: They're fictional. The devs wrote this story out, included it, and gave her that reason. They could have made her want to support her family or seek a career in being a nurse rather than have her need the job after her husband passed. They did not have to mention that she was married or married to a man.
When people ask for representation, this is what we mean. Their sexualities don't need to be a huge thing, but having a female killer mourn over her dead female lover in her bio and lore, or being a turning point just like the Nurse.
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@B_Random said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162694#Comment_2162694
I mean he could be, you don't know. I'm also sorry that when I think of a gay person, I usually default to the very flamboyant types, since the gay people I've met are very flamboyant. So is it really my fault to have a slight thought that maybe Trickster is either Bi or Gay? Is that wrong of me to think that? I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just saying.
A bit, yeah!
While yes, there's a majority of gay men who act stereotypically it's still baseless to assume someone is gay based on their looks and personality alone. The Trickster could just be a very flamboyant straight man.
There's also the matter of KPOP culture and how idols are treated, especially the men. The way the men and women act in these groups is usually to cater to a specific demographic, i.e. the opposite gender.
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@JimboMason said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162375#Comment_2162375
Unless there is a purpose behind a homo relationship, such as Sally and her husband Andrew, or Felix and his girlfriend (although this one is debatable), love interest is not really needed in this game. We can promote diversity and representation within the game with the use of charms, character cosmetics, events, etc.
Except there's no reason for Nurse to have been married. They could have easily have said she went to work to support her ailing mother or her siblings. I agree, relationships aren't needed for the world in DBD but if you're going to have a character be straight, why not have one be gay as well.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2162769#Comment_2162769
Let's treat each other like adults here. Nobody assumes David might be anything but straight. It's disingenuous to claim "Well, but he could still be straight!". We all know that's not what the devs were going for, so let's stop pretending otherwise. He's not a real person with an ongoing life, he's a fictional character whose personality traits exist as strings in a video game's code. He was written to be straight.
Sometimes I think people don't understand what it means for a character to be obviously written a certain way.
David is very obviously written to be a stereotypical red-blooded man, who drinks beer and sleeps with models. It isn't hard to see.
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@[Deleted User] said:
I lurk on these forums frequently but rarely ever post anything. I tried to get involved in this community but most of my posts are ignored or received negatively, so I stopped contributing. However, I often see threads on this topic, and the result is almost always the same: a firestorm of everybody calling everybody else intolerant because they hold different beliefs. I feel compelled to join in this time because I really enjoy this game and want it to stay alive as long as possible. So what I'd like to do is try to bring up some logical points that often get overlooked in threads like these.
Have you considered that the reason the devs haven't included this representation yet is because they can't? Look at it this way: if they make a survivor trans, doesn't that promote violence against the trans community? You are hunting down a trans person with the objective of killing them, after all. Conversely, were a killer to be made trans, would that not imply that trans people are mentally deranged psychos? You might disregard these examples as exaggeration, but people will see it that way. It's like a trap set by looney toons activist groups. Once the keyboard warriors latch on to that, the game will be cancelled for sure. I've been around on the internet long enough to know that someone, somewhere will be offended and take the inclusion out of context, even if it is done with the best intentions. And yeah, you could apply that to "People targeting Tapp just don't like black people" if you wanted to, but I think that's a false equivalency. Oh and by the way, let's not forget about them having to release two separate versions of the game, one of which does NOT include representation, because they would lose markets in parts of the world that are not accepting of representation. Believe it or not, some places on Earth are not so accepting of these communities as others (and maybe that's where you should be demanding change).
Additionally, look at how this thread has devolved. Look at any previous thread about inclusion and witness the chaos this topic brings. It happens EVERY SINGLE TIME. "Everyone but me is a bigot", right? Get real. Do you think the devs and mods want to deal with that headache on a daily basis? People cannot remain civil regarding this topic and it seems to me that the devs and mods just wouldn't want to deal with boycotts and cancel culture in addition to everything else they have on their plates. What happens if they include the representation you wanted, but didn't do it in "the right way"? That would cause way worse problems.
Another point is that the devs will never be able to satisfy everybody. New identities and classifications are contrived on a daily basis. Sure, they could have a rainbow flag charm. But why not a trans flag charm? Why not an asexual flag charm? And so on and so forth until the end of time. It may sound insensitive, and I certainly don't mean it to be, but this is coming from someone who played Overwatch at the height of their "lore enhancements". I have seen how the "If You Give a Mouse a Cookie" scenario plays out in most every form of media that attempts to appeal to everyone. Somebody once told me "Obama wasn't black enough". That just blew my mind, but I think it's a good example of how the world is today. Nothing will ever be good enough when it comes to representation, so long as there is one person who feels excluded.
This final section is personal. I think seeking representation in media is dumb. Now, I am not willing to reveal identifying information about myself on the internet, but I will tell you that I am very rarely represented in media and when I am it is typically a negative representation. I do not seek characters that REPRESENT me, rather, I seek characters that APPEAL to me. I mostly play as Bill in this game, despite not being a Vietnam vet. I just like Bill because he's Bill. I don't play as Clown because I'm a clown, I just like how he laughs and coughs all the time. I think it's unrealistic to demand that the world change to suit you and your wants. I understand wanting to relate to a character, but I do not understand the need to have relatability in a game with very little narrative and has little influence on the gameplay. The characters are mostly blank slates, why not just make them who you want them to be in your own mind? Why would you force your beliefs on someone who does not share them? Isn't that a little... dare I say it... intolerant?
Please do not misunderstand my statement as a protest against inclusion. It's not like Jake wanting to see Ace naked is going to impact the gameplay (I would hope). People are what they are. I dislike people in general and have difficulty relating to and understanding them. I am more concerned about the longevity and health of the game than representation. It is possible that in trying to appeal to everyone, you appeal to no one. I don't want this game to end up in a Battlefield V situation. Dead By Daylight is a unique game, and one that I quite enjoy. It is in fact the ONLY multiplayer game that I still play consistently. I would hate for it to die off early because of a short-sighted miscalculation brought on by peer pressure or mob mentality.
However this works out, I'm sure it'll be aldwight. But please, stop firebombing each other on a freaking video game forum. Some of us just want to play the game and have a good time.
Hey man! Looked through your post and want to talk about your statements. I'm a gay trans man weighing in.
So no, it would not be a hate crime to make a survivor trans. There's a difference between killing someone because they are trans and killing a trans person; seeing as how the Entity and the Killers don't seem to care about the survivors being male, female, black, white, Asian, etc., I don't think adding a trans survivor would be an issue. Would someone take it that way? Yeah, sure, but they're going to do that anyway so just do it.
Same with a trans-Killer. They're not a killer because they're trans. Boom, done. Representation without turning them into a token character.
LGBTQ+ people not welcome in some parts of the world? Too bad. Games like Apex Legends and TLOU are relatively well known, have a large player base, and it's still growing. Apex just released a Legend who is a woman who is attracted to women. Saying they have to worry about the countries they market in is a flimsy excuse.
Cancel culture doesn't exist, stop using it as an excuse. If you don't want to deal with the backlash, maybe don't do the thing that you did.
You're right in saying that there will never be an end to seeking representation but having someone who is like me in a video game I enjoy would be an extremely large deal for me. I know it's easy to say that representation doesn't matter, but that's easy to say when the majority of video game characters are cishet white men. I don't want a token gay sidekick or a J.K. Rowling reveals or a Pride Month #PRIDE! tweet.
Would I play a character just because they're trans or gay? Nah, probably not. But it'd be nice to know they're there. To at least mouse of the character and their lore and go "oh cool! a trans person who isn't a stereotype!", as I then go back to playing Dwight and David.
As for imposing a belief on someone? IDK man, me saying I'm trans and think I was born in the wrong body has never hurt anyone but boy howdy, do I get scared when I have to tell someone new. Trans panic is still a valid excuse in several states when it comes to assaulting a trans person. It's not intolerance to tell someone that they have to deal with a character being trans or gay or whatever.
We're not asking for Dwight to drop to his knees, stick his ass out, and ask Ghost Face to screw him in the middle of a match. We're just asking for a single line in a bio or an Archive. There are references to characters being in straight relationships, so why not gay ones?
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I 100% believe the Nurse and the Wraith realm hop to spend time with one another.
The Trickster and Ghost Face go from realm to realm, being annoyances and filming it all.
Bubba just wants to share his chili. :(
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I wouldn't call Outlast a cornerstone for the horror genre, no, though I do think the characters from the game would better fit the DbD world.
I'd also like to see characters from F.E.A.R. or Nightmare Creatures.
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Dream DLC would be Outlast, preferably the first one.
I want to be chased by either Chris Walker, Eddie Gulskin, or the Walrider.
Have Miles be the survivor, maybe give him perks based around the Walrider.