Toxic Flashlight use
Okay why is half of the team i encounter bringing 4 flashlight and just spamming the flashlight NON STOP , like i understand if you try to flash me while i hook one of your mate or while im breaking a pallet chasing you from time to time . but seriously always moving all 4 together to rush gens and spam the flashlight from every angles while im carrying a survivor or trying to get a looper is really TOXIC . i dont mind getting flashed from time to time it is part of the game but always having 3 ######### flies with flashlight buzzing around as soon as i get a down or take a chase is straight up not fun . I dont slug , i dont tunnel the same players over and over , i take chase and drop them when they take too long as my goal is to stop you from doing gens as long as possible and get my hooks , abusing the flashlight should not be allowed , restricting the amount of flash per player or even the amount of flashlight in a single game could really help that , it is not normal being forced to lock-in lightborn in one of my perks while survivor can stack 16 perks together . it really feels like the game is survivors sided lately . no the killer should not overpower the survivors it wouldnt be fun either but goddamn i am tired of survivors just ABUSING flashlight . YOU DONT NEED TO RUN 4 FLASHLIGHT AND SPAM KILLERS WITH IT . i dont even run a meta build and avoid some killers because i want everyone to have a good experience playing. spaming flashlight while always staying grouped up doesnt make you a good players . it just makes you TOXIC .
sincerely a ghost face / trickster / legion player
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lightborn mate. or slug.
I’m sorry you’ve had a rough couple matches. Games like that are always very frustrating and it’s hard not to feel like it’s some kind of personal attack. There are definitely some jerks in the fog.
That being said, thankfully flashlights do have limited use so It’s worth considering that restricting how often flashlights can be used would be on top of what is already restricted. It would be a considerable nerf to one of the few items survivor has, but if you think it’s well warranted you can have that opinion. I just don’t know a good way to approach frustration with flashlights without making them more trouble than their worth.
I know you talked about lightborn and how you shouldn’t be soft locked into running it to avoid getting blinded, and I absolutely get what you mean. Personally I am not a fan of solutions being behind perks. The game has far too many perks for that to be a reasonable ask. But it does seem to be the direction that BHVR wants the game to be in. Judgment is very dependent upon aura perks, tunneling or slugging can only really be countered by perks, certain perks are almost useless unless ran with others which also limits variety. I am not a fan of this either. But unfortunately I do think this kind of “perk solution” is here to stay. So in truth, if you really don’t enjoy being blinded I’m afraid lightborn is the best and most realistic solution that we currently have available. I do wish you better games in the future! I’m sorry people were jerks.
So flashlights can be frustrating but once you know the counter play, they're pretty easy to counter.
Like lightborn is an easy fix but if you don't want to use it then there are other easy counters. For a start if you are getting flashed while carrying a survivor just look straight down or up. Totally neuters the flashie and if your reactions are good you can get free hits out of it and still get the hook. When picking up survs, try to face a wall if possible, or if not then make sure you check around first and have any lurking torch jockeys behind you so they'll struggle to get in position. A good headset is a wonderful thing when getting flashed on a pallet, you listen carefully enough and you can follow footsteps while blinded so they gain no distance. If you do use lightborn, mind game it. Gaslight the torch jockeys into thinking they have a chance by acting like you want to avoid the blind, then they over commit and you get free hits.
Personally I love torch heavy matches as killer, i get so many wins and snowballs from torch clickers trying to bully me, very easy to make it backfire.
i know about lightborn but having to soft lock lightborn on some killers just make them unviable in the current state of the game , ghost face for exemple need all his perks to be viable since any half decent survivor will spot you quick enough to stop you from marking them , and its not like you can take much time to accumulate mark progress when most team are 4 stack rushing gens together trying to end the game in under 5mins , soft locking lightborn makes it so your 1 gens blocking perk to extend the game or 1 aura perk for better chase down wich matters a lot , same for a lot of other killers . as for slugging i dont really feel like its fair , it defeat the whole purpose of the game . would i do it to a team that has been toxic all game yeah but then i become a part of the problem too :/
i mean slugging isnt toxic to do when its for an actual purpose. if your slugging only for the purpose of slugging its lame, but slugging exists for a reason. it is a mechanic the game provides and encourages you to use when needed. flashlight people tend to be obsessed with flashlights so take advantage of that. all they care about is hitting their saves often times so dont pick up if you know they are swarming or you have a los blocker to prevent a blind. but if a team is 4 running flashlights than your typical build isnt going to work well because the survivor team wont be playing in a typical way. so youll have to have a back up plan/build
i guess you are right , i probably am just tending to be too nice to these toxic players by trying to play fair and get hooks , being a big competitive players i tend to try and have a fair match so i can get a gratifying win or deserved loss :/ , i try not to bully my rivals the best i can so everyone can have some fun
thank you for the tips , i am allready doing all these tactics to try and get away with it but damn survivors tend to be bullies , i play both survivors and killers and dont understand why some poeple go as far to get a quick win when the game allready feels way easier playing as a survivor :/ i dont get mad when i get outplayed but flashlight and sabotage abusers can really be a fun-killer when you are trying to play the game as intended
Light is one of the few means survivors have to defend themselves. You expect survivors not to use it? Like someone else said, use Lightborn if you’re really struggling that badly.
reading comprehension buddy , i dont mind survivors using the flashlight , i care when they ABUSE IT . there is a difference between using uttility and abusing them to a point where you cant really counter it unless they play so bad they exhaust their uttility use . flash me 4 times in a match ill say gg , flash me 75 times because you are 4 with flash light extended battery add on and just follow each each other all match to bully me and yeah ill have a problem with it
Some advice i have as I used to get extremely frustrated by that stuff (and its not fun when facing it still( but there are things to keep in mind. Sabo squads dont usually care about gens. That is in your favor as it takes alot of time pressure off you. if there is one primary sabo, upon pick up designate a hook to initialise movement to, sabos will immediately target that g hook and begin their movement towards it. you then shift your direction to a hook on an opposite axis which will almost always make it impossible for them to react/catch up and get to a hook in time.
If everyones trying to sabo then you dont hook. these squads stay near their team mates, meaning searching is typically not needed. so slug, and do little hit and runs on the rats as they swarm the area and get downs when you can. with a little skill and a little luck you can get them locked into a altruistic death loop where they cant get their entire team up but they have to because you are getting 2 plus down constantly.
This applies with flashlight too. these guys follow each other around doing nothing to progress the game but look for saves. so you slug. they will typically run the same plays as sabo squads and you can have combined squads of both.
Its really really important that you calm yourself during these games as tough as that can be. as soon as you get frustrated, your decision making gets impacted and your moves start to get influenced by emotion and not logic and you will start making small misplays that prevent you from exploiting the small mistakes they will make.
Unfortunately that doesnt make these types of teams any less of a pain in the ass but this can make it less of a miserable experience and boy does it feel good when you have them all dead.
Bruh. Sorry man just feels like an issue with you. 4 survivors buzzing around you means no ones doing gens.
This has sadly been an issue since day 1 of the game… Look up Mcote hag Stream for examples of the Devs getting hit by it.
I mean, are they rushing Gens or are they running around with a Flashlight? You cannot have both, Survivors who want to play a lot with Flashlights are not doing Gens.
And well, how often does this actually happen? Like, how many games have you experienced with this before you wrote this Thread? It cannot be more than one. I almost never see 4 Survivors bringing Flashlights, most of the time it maybe 1 and at most 2. Especially if they are a SWF, they dont all bring Flashlights, as long as they are not an actual Bully Squad with Head On and what not.
If you see 4 Flashlights in the Lobby, equip Lightborn. But then you should not be surprised if they finish the Gens quickly to get into the next game where they actually can use their item.
Treat players how they treat you. While I definitely disagree that survivor is the easiest role, like you I try to play fair as killer. I don't tend to tunnel early and won't play hardball as a rule. But if I come up against bully squads, and especially if they start being disrespectful in a match? The gloves are off, I'll have no compunction about playing absolutely mercilessly against these teams.
At the end of the day killer's objective is to kill all 4 survivors, you're only being toxic if you actively disrespect survs while you do it. Tunneling, slugging, proxy camping hooks are unpleasant but expedient tactics, and not inherently toxic. If you do your best to make the game fun for your opponents then you're trying to make a positive impact to the game and I respect you for it. But don't feel the need to waste that kind of play on players who will disrespect you or are trying to win as fast as possible at all costs, neither type of player deserves to have any slack given to them.
I love flashlights, because i get to interact with some quirky sable or ace that jump into my face all the time. My chainsaw doesnt care either.
Yeah, this sort of thing is not common. I mean it does happen, but I can't believe more than a handful of times a month will anyone get bully teams who who just mob you with flashlights all match with no attempt to actually win. These matches just stick out in your memory. Hell, I still vividly remember a few of these from like 2019 before I knew what I was doing and flashlights were the bane of my existence.
Usually a SWF will have one or two flashlight users who harass you while the others do gens. Which if they are good, is much more annoying than four goobers with flashlights trying to bully you.
Which brings me to the next point, which is that most of the time this fails to even succeed in tormenting the killer if they are any good. Flashlights kinda suck, tbh, and when I see four of them in a lobby, I know I'm gonna win, even if it's not much fun for anyone. If you go into a match knowing that's what you're up against, it's not that hard to shut it down (even without Lightborn) unless they are super coordinated. If they are, you slug.
The one thing a person must not do in these situations is get tilted. If you are chill and know your counterplay, it's nbd.
I don't really understand this complaint. You don't like that they're just around with flashlights but not getting saves, just shining them? They're just wasting their time for no reason?
If you see that many flashlights in a lobby just look around when you get a down. Someone is probably lurking and you'll like get an easy twofer.
how is judgement related to matches with 40 other killers who will make up the majority of your matches?
Hardly anyone is playing judgement. So that's kind of a weird example.
it happens way too often , they just stick together with 4 flashlight and gang up as soon as i get a pick , theyll be all 4 doing the same gen then spaming flashlight as soon as one get picked out . it is legit 50% of my game , flashlight , flash on pallet , extended batteries flashbang . if they arent all running flashlight its 2 flashlight 2 toolbox , i swear i cant get a decent match its always these toxic meta abuser phallus lover
crazy that a nice interaction get me downvoted , why are most survivors so damn toxic , do their mothers not show them love ?
If they are 4 on the same Gen, they are not rushing Gens, lol. They would be the most inefficient ever. And as I said, you cannot complain about them genrushing you and about them running around with Flashlights the same time. If they are doing the latter, they are not genrushing you, but you take too long to kill them.
Also I call nonsense on that it happens to you 50% of the time. I barely go against Flashlight squads and I think this is more of the norm.
I see someone who is toxic here.
no it dont , it mean they all stay grouped up and flash spam as soon as i get one of them off the gens
you clearly dont know ######### your talking about , ever heard of a perk called leader ? prove thyself ? resistance ? they just stack perk , rush gens and spam flashlight as soon as i get one of em , its legit 50% of lobbies on console.
Prove Thyself is a Noobtrap. it is better to repair Gens alone instead of grouping up on them, even with Prove Thyself. You know that there is a penalty for repairing Gens together? And this penalty is higher than the Speed Bonus of Prove Thyself…
Leader does not even affect Gen Speed.
Sorry, but if you say someone has no idea what they are talking about, at least get your own facts right…