Buffing Survivors again and again in 2v8 will not make the queue times better.
2v8 is survivor sided. That is not a opinion, it is a fact. For the normal mode it's unclear because both sides have unfair things to abuse but since there are no addons, perks or offerings in 2v8 it's pretty obvious which side has the advantages.
Since 2v8 will return in September and leakers already discovered that not only every class will have a item next time but also get a new item that unlocks the second ability faster and give a speedboost it will become even more survivor sided and the sad thing is it will change absolutely nothing about the queue times.
You could give Survivors in that mode a minigun that allows them to kill the killers and the Killer queue time would still be 30-45+ Minutes because it is the only mode where you can play with a friend on the killer side.
Yeah 2v8 is already in the game a bit but since it's limited it will never get normal queue times.
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There arent enough players to have 2 permanent mode.
Its even admitted that playerbase so small that mmr often ignored just to give fast enough matchmaking.
Which is INSANE considering DBD Pulls a LOT of players, way more than a lot of PvP games do. steam numbers are consistently high and 2 months ago they eclipsed games like DOTA in active player count for a little while so to pretend like they can't split queues for ranked or make them longer for proper MMR is just not even true…
2v8 is arcade mode oriented, it should stay that way, its not a big deal if you don't win every game as a killer, I have fun playing with my friends as killer when it comes out, BUT that last point is what BHVR needs to note, they can make Surv twice as strong and everyone is still going to queue for killer because of the unique gameplay element, they need to provide something unique but not broken to survivors that they can't do in regular games to balance queue times, not just buff abilities and items.
survivor just isn't engaging and it's too easy. push button to win. the only enjoyment is the rush and Adrenaline of being double teamed but that's a bit hard to appreciate with such a limited roster.
I'll probably just stick to 1v4 unless I can be double teamed by Springtrap and Ghoul. That would excite me.
Xenokitty is just gonna be a bust because they are a killer designed for survivor enjoyment....in other words a killer to be bullied, just what 2v8 needs more killers that lose to the "I win" button.
my opinion doesn't matter though, I just get told "queue times!!! we can't add anything cool because queue! think of the queue!" well I'll just vote by making the queue times worse by playing 1v4 since neither role is engaging to me right now.
my one joy of 2v8 was bullying Legion players (respectfully ofc, I never tbag)
I don't even care that survivors got buffed again in this mode, but xeno buffs are not helpful in any way and he will be M1 killer for majority of the time, he needed the add-ons that decrease the range of the turrets and that makes it harder for him to get out of power, he got non of that, like there's more gens so that means there's more stations and that means there's more turrets and 8 survivors to set those turrets, like the second killer will the only thing that will break the turrets (and that's assuming bhvr allowed for other killers to break the turrets).
Nemesis exists with stronger M2, more map pressure as there's 4 zombies and he can't lose his M2 for some time, the mobility xenomorph has is not comparable to 4 buffed zombies.
The playerbase isn't necessarily small it gets TONS of players, the problem is the fact that there are typically way more killer players than survivors which is why queue times are so long as there aren't enough survivors to go around.
So you literally just want even longer queue times for killers?
Did you even read it?, the buffs just don't make any difference but make it more survivor sided and more miserable for killers.
I agree that nothing will change it, since Survivors just dont like to play 2v8. It is boring. And not as survivor-sided as people claim, even if it indeed IS survivor-sided, it is not as extreme.
I stand by it, 2v8 needs to be a PvE-mode. 2 human Killers against 8 Bots (which are obviously more challenging than the Bots you get when a Survivor DCs). Ideally with different difficulties. This would allow Killers to play with friends without them having to suffer immense queuetimes.
Uh… sorry to break it to you but literally yes making survivors experience better will make que times better. That's why killers have long que times in 1v4 since the devs heavily cater to killers in that mode to the point there's a massive deficit of survivors.
Except killer isn't miserable in 2v8 and is actually a lot of fun. My killer stats from the most recent iteration.
60% KR is the intended 1v4 balance and that is what I am sitting at in this supposedly insanely survivor sided mode. Somehow I doubt you have ever stopped to consider that its a skill issue on your part and not the mode.
2v8 killer queues will forever be ruined because of Play While You Wait. If you queue up for 2v8 as killer without this feature, every time a 2v8 trial concludes, if all 8 of those survivors used the feature, you now have 8 killers butting in front of you in line. Every single PWYW game that ends will push you back 4 more games.
PWYW is a great feature though because if you use it your queue times will always be short. It's no one's fault but yours if you don't use it, and I don't see a better solution.
I wouldn't say the playerbase is too small. On AVG there is 70-100k people playing this game a month. I do think one permanent game mode like 2v8 would be fun but no more than 2 at a time until they can figure out queue times.
I’m very open to seeing how this affects queue times. I don’t know what else to do to encourage more survivors players other than giving them shards or auric cells which will never happen. I will reserve judgment until I can play the new 2v8 on both sides.
Think again.
Because there's no MMR so bad players can play with good players and killer mains using the play while you wait feature so bad survivors, that's basically the reason you have 60% kill rate. There's so many buffs to survivors and most killer buffs barely do anything. Like it's more of a skill issue from survivors.
I agree that it's a lot fun for killer side but it is survivor sided and it's a fact, I am doing fine because of the reasons I mentioned in previous paragraph.
Think again about what?, when the tonics got added which remove hook stages and heal for free the queue times for killer remained 30 minutes, when they added the new class with flashlights (very annoying mechanic for the killer side, so they obviously ignoring the killer side) which is fun for survivors the queue times remained 30 minutes, they keep buffing the survivor side in hopes that it becomes fun so the queue times get fixed but it's not working and just makes more annoying for killer side.
So in one post you say it's miserable for killer but then in another claim you are doing fine and that it is fun? Sorry but those are kind of opposing viewpoints. It's not a survivor skill issue otherwise my escape rate would be lower. I've faced many of the teammates I won with on survivor and beat them while on killer, that is 100% a killer skill issue. The only other possibility is that everyone has killer stats that look similar to or are better than mine but still complain because they go in expecting to win every single match and when they can't scream survivor sided, which isn't something you can balance around.
Triple dash Wesker, triple dash Dracula, Oni turning, giga blink nurse, hell even the speed Ghostface has in night shroud. If you think these buffs do nothing then you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Certain killers are weaker than others but that's no different than 1v4.
There needs to be more enjoyable gameplay on the survivor side rather than buffs. As long as the gameplay is the same as 1v4 with nothing actually changing to make it interesting, I see no reason to play as survivor in 2v8, no matter how overpowered survivor becomes. Maybe if alternative objectives were added or new features that aren't seen in 1v4 it could help.