this is what swf harassment looks like.
proof that it isn't an urban myth and is actually quite real. even the best players must concede that it is garbo, as does tru here as evidenced by his rage quit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgdnN6Pv2TE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgdnN6Pv2TE
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Yeah it does. Its a perfect analogy of the SWF complaining.
no.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/cf3fb7fda17daf83c7d69ccac951fe05/tenor.gif
still no and if you cant comprehend it, your brain has failed you. killers complain because theres a balance issue that eats away at the game.
playing killer is a stressfest since generators are done so fast, playing survivor isnt really a stressfest, its more relaxed.
Killers TEND (note the word tend) to complain about balance issues. Survivors tend to just be toxic in general by the tactic the killer is using.
Still yes, and if you can't comprehend it, your brain has failed you. Killers complain because they think there is a balance issue, when there isn't. A competent killer can clean the map. A competent killer can have every survivor escape and still walk away with more blood points than all 4 survivors.
Playing survivor against a competent killer can be just as much a "stressfest", but I don't view facing a good killer as stressful, its fun. If you're finding playing killer stressful, then I'll say what the killers say to us "whining survivors" - git gud.
Or better yet, stop playing killer altogether. You're supposed to be doing this for fun. If its a "stressfest" for you, then its idiotic to keep doing it.
I updated it.
i intended to make a long post explaining why you are wrong, but since you hit your head as a child, like son goku from dragon ball, i came to the conclusion that my time is wasted on you.
you dont know what balance is even if it hit you in the face with a bat, with a note on explaining it. and then you go on to post how "right" that post was and how whiny killers are, when most of the killers have a pretty valid reason to be upset, because this game is not properly balanced.
but sure, go main survivor and tell yourself how good you are for winning. its not a balance issue, you're just that good. and most great streamers that complain about balance issues about the killers, who we can see also have high ranked survivors, are just plain ######### when they talk about balance being too heavily in favor of the survivors.
why not.
Is that the best you can do? Some pathetic childhood insult? You know someone has lost the argument when they resort to the personal insults.
Thanks for the suggestion, I think I will go play some survivor. This exchange has really put me in the mood for it.
because when you use a post thats meant for toddlers to explain the mood of killers, thats not an insult? its an insult to all the killers who want a balanced game. you spit in their face with that post.
No, that's an analogy about the nature of the complaints about SWF. Saying I'm too stupid to understand something because I was hit on the head as a child, that's a personal insult.
no its not. its an insult. but you dont even understand the math here. with each person having to be chased 3 times, caught, and hooked, by the times 5 generators and a gate has been opened. it takes 70 seconds for 1 generator, and most survivors knows where the generators are since maps arent procedural.
the time does not add up for the killer to win except with specific few killers. then we add all the perks like DS, sprint burst and other stuff to lengthen the chase.
You want to go back and forth again with the yes it is, no it isn't? Because I'm game.
Will you stop with your math arguments. Trying to get scientific and quoting times to do gens is laughable. Do you want to get out your calculator and tell me the times when the killer is running hex ruin, bamboozle, overcharge etc?
I'm on the same platform and know his screen name i pray to find him in a lobby some day but i haven't been rank 20 since July of 2017 when i got it.
how is bamboozle and hex ruin going to be a problem? considering how fast you can clear a game, you'd think some of you guys had time to destroy a few totems on the way. i know that i do anyway.
most of these streamers, even if you think they're trash or not, are way better than the vast majority of killers playing this game. if they say things are bad, balance wise and can barely win, how exactly are the rest of us filthy casuals supposed to win? do you think they've complained for fun or attention? no they havent. they have complained because there are problems with the way this game has been balanced.
He does play other games but he blew up with subscribers during DBD so I'd assume you don't want to jump ship on something that people pay to watch you play. YouTube/streaming is his job after all, fun starts to mean a little less when paying your bills is on the line.
Did you seriously just ask how hex ruin and bamboozle is a problem to gen repair?
no i didnt. i asked how they were a problem for you in general. i know their effect, but you can clean totems to remove the Ruin.
the games can be super short, Ruin and other Gen regression perks is one of the few things keeping killers floating in order to delay the game enough to actually kill people.
They're not a problem for me in general. I was making the point of how they can seriously slow down generator repair. I get why killers use them. They can and do slow down gen repair. Same with overcharge. Its not an easy ride for survivors to get gens done when killers use perks like that.
but casuals dont have these perks thats kind of the point. and the only way to be a prominent killer is to run specific perks, where as being a survivor doesnt require you to run a specific perk in order to be successful. some perks helps a TON, sure, like sprint burst and DS, but you can still end the game super fast if the killer isnt using perks that extends the game.
he HAS to use it, survivors dont.
i dont even have most of those perks and my games can be over so fast.
That's your opinion. Most other players say otherwise. There are some perks survivors will nearly always use e.g. self care. There are some perks killers will nearly always use e.g. hex ruin and BBQ ans chili. Both sides will argue these are essentials in order to win, or gain an advantage.
i can maybe find a stepping stone near you and say i might agree.
but how much does survivor add ons help in terms of speed, when talking repair generators?
and then how much does the perks help the killer extend the game? while i dont have the exact data, i dont think any survivor perk really helps shorten the game down insanely much, as they mostly deal with survival.
where as killers can extend the game at least some degrees when using spotting perks and gen extention perks.
I would say about as much as a killers does to help slow down gens or track survivors. Killers hate DS. Survivors hate hex ruin. Killers hate self care. Survivors hate BBQ and chili. Killers hate sprint burst. Survivors hate overcharge etc.
Its a two way street. Both sides have perks that the other side hates because it gives them serious advantages.
so in the end, if killer perks extends the game, but survivor perks does the opposite by making longer chases that means he cant focus on generators, we're back to a short game that in the end benefits the survivors.
when i play survivor i dont hate neither BBQ and chili nor Ruin. because there are counters to both. a guy is hooked? walk away and hide from the generator. Ruin is active? ######### some totems.
theres no counter to Decisive strike, or sprint burst.
You can juggle the suspected DS user or if you got them to tier 3 madness as the Doctor plus are running Unnerving presence the window is small and they may miss it. Unnerving is good against DS because they don't expect it. If the survivor is using DS and you down them fairly early in the game it is a crutch perk and they are not very good.
I've seen you tunnel him as Huntress and then complain about DS in the end chat. This was a while ago.
Karma.
Edit: Can't find it, though I swore I saw your name in the end chat.
Either way, doesn't matter. Going after the weak link = getting someone out of the game quickly. Doesn't matter who does it, player or Killer.
I watch my OOTubes on a flat screen TV on my couch so I probably mixed your name up somewhere. Text is extremely hard to see from there but it looked close to how your name is, just making out some letters.
I don't mind if he does stuff like that though. I think he's extremely nice most of the time, the rare times he does super tunnel or camp I know he's had previous bad games. If anybody camps or tunnels I can't care enough to call them out on it.
He's fun to watch, not the best, but he does lose it at times. And ######### Swamp, those maps are terrible for anyone
That's a totally fair trade off. The only defense survivors have against killers, besides flashlights is to run from them. Sprint burst is not infallible either as it needs to recharge. Killers can and often do counter DS by dropping the survivor before they can use it or make them mess up.
i wouldnt say that the only defense survivors have is to run.
they can stay hidden too. hiding is probably their biggest defense and what should be emphasized the most. id say trying to break line of sight should be the objective, but sadly thats not how this game works. this game works pretty well with looping also, so theres little reason to even break line of sight.
Not sure how ######### you have to be to assume I rely on crutch perks when I never said I did. At no point have I said I dodge SWF games, and its easy to tell if its SWF when all 4 join at the same time the instant you start the lobby. And there's so much irony in you bitching about people whining when that's the exact thing you're doing right now. "Why don't you stop running BBQ, ruin, Franklin's," all you're doing is whining about others whining. Oh and just in case you wanted to know, out of all those perks, the only one I run is BBQ.
Do you realize how stupid all of your arguments are. "Why don't you play with no perks" why would I? Killers are already at a severe disadvantage, why would I put myself at an even lower advantage in a 1 V 4 game (in case you forgot), just to end up playing against survivors with all crutch perks?
And maybe if you took your head out of your ass you would realize that people don't decide to complain about something else because the devs are working on fixing the current issue. These are all things that have been complained about for the longest time, and the devs haven't done anything to fix them. Fixing one issue doesn't fix the game, but instead draws attention to the other issues within the game. But of course, you don't care. You're just gonna continue whining about how everyone else is whining.
Wasn't it you in this very post that said crutch perks and yes you using bbq is a crutch perk. Also you totally missed the sarcasm and the usage of the sarcasm to show the hypocrisy of your crutch perks comment. Sp perhaps it's you that have the head up the rear
SWF isn't ever going anywhere and you need to take the advice killers give survivors when there's a nerf. ADAPT !!!! I could care less about the perks and the only one whining ehre is you. Your very own posts say it all let killers reject swf groups. If that's the very definition of whining.
As far as whining the only ones here doing it are the same few who whine about swf pretty much every day with new threads despite knowing the devs aren't going to nuke 70% of their player base just to appease a small vocal minority.
But keep proving my points with the insults it just makes you look that much more foolish and you keep proving the other killer mains correct when they say adapt or git gud.
Simple statistic for you. %70 of games start with 2 SWF. This gives me the right to think that in the vast majority of games there will be 2 SWF.
No guessing needed. I just assume its at least 2 swf and go looking for the 3 or 4th.
Dont even go and pretend that swf are a rare occasion of that they are figments of killlers' imagination. SWF use is in nearly every single game.
That's still an assumption really if 70% of the player base is swf that doesn't mean that 70% of games actually start with 2 ppl. That's a stretch of logic right there since realistically you're making an assumption. While it's probably a valid one without actual data from BHVR which they need to provide so we know more. Also don't try and Red Herring garbage with me it doesn't work.
Also the claim that every sef group is toxic absolute crap and all those claiming it know it but like to make up facts as they go to make their argument look better. There was an MIT study done years ago that proved that online toxicity isn't as rampant in individual peoples games as they believe. In fact games they said were toxic when reviewed actually weren't but because they'd had a bad game the following ones felt the same.
It is fact, stats released by devs themselves that state %70 of games start with 2 swf. This does mean that %70 of games start with 2 swf. This is 7 out of 10 games. So the vast majority of games start with 2 SWF.
What part of the stats released by devs do you not understand?
Its a stretch of logic for me to assume that %70 of games start with 2 swf? How so? Devs said so. The other %30 is 3 swf and 4 swf with this odd 2 and 2 and solo's thrown in.
If you want to argue about dev released stats argue with them and not me. I am quoting them. You are quoting bullshit.
Hold a herring at the right angle and they are red. Fish much? Play DbD much? Dont think so otherwise you would have known that the %70 quoted is fact and not some number pulled out of thin air to suit my argument. Go back to school.
Ok but you never stated that the devs had released that stat, if you had I wouldn't have questioned it. The information isn't laying around in plain site unfortunately.
Again refer to my above response.
No I wans't quoting bullshit at all and you know it, I was going off the info I had which was incorrect but was unknown to me. You're acting like a cop that pulls someone over and knows all the infractions. You should assume that most of the info isn't well known. I didn't know about camping and looping being ok until someone was kind enough to post the dev video about it. Which by the way was over a year old.
Perhaps it's you that needs to go back to school since if you did you'd know not to assume that everyone knows everything or did you not learn that in school? Also the Red Herring was about your imagination part and you know full full that fit the classic definition of a logical fallacy.
If you want me to make a stat based on it, I can.
I already did that while doing Iron Challenge for Wraith, Leaterface and to some extend on Doctor, where I did indeed count SWF numbers.
They were almost in all games.
Hell, I can go in the game right now and pick 20 games and give you the average number of SWF occurrence and how many of them are in said party at once.
Nice back peddle. It was still bullshit you were saying. Speaking and getting involved in a conversation you knew nothing about yet took the moral high ground? Know the facts first. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in a court of law.
I learned in school not to get involved in crap i know nothing about. That is what school taught me. Apparently you missed out on that part.
Also, i am fully aware of the Red Herring analogy. Hence my proof that Red Herrings do exist. It was not some distraction. I gained this knowledge since i have first hand experience with herrings, trout, steelheads, pacific salmon, perch, anchovies, mackerel, halibut....you get the idea, i hope.
The dev stream in question is now at least a few months old. Good luck finding it but i know i am right and others will back me on this.
I just made some sushi for you when i chopped up his argument. Slice away my friend.
If you're going to throw out statistics and pass them off as fact you had better provide evidence to support it or it's just going to be speculation and assumptions.
i am not even sure how the microphone bads even find the game challenging. oh, wait. they don't. it is just an ego feeding experience. i wonder what that is all about?
stfu u 'lil #########