Everyone's problem with SWF?
I'd like to know. Is it because they can talk to each other about where your totem is or what?
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in truth, you realize that it gives you the equivalent of about 6-7 perks without using them, such as bond and empathy, etc, not to mention that using a 3rd party non-whitelisted app (discord for example) to gain a big advantage, is the equivalent to cheating. you made this thread because someone pointed all this out, so you already knew the answer before posting this.
the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.
__Don't worry, the devs talked strongly on removing the ability to see the killer's perks if you're dead until the game is over. That's another annoying thing. HE HAS NOED, CLEANED ALL THE TOTEMS OR LEAVE. HE HAS BLOOD WARDEN TIER 3 DON'T STAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killers don't like SWF because they have a huge advantage of information compared to solos.
Some even go as far to classify it as cheating. I wouldn't go that far however I'm not denying that SWF does break the balance in this game somewhat.
I would have to fin d the stream. it was one of the streams talking about DS
It depends on the SWF team really. Especially the troll or competitive groups. It gets tiring putting up with their antics.
While everyone should agree that it is an unfair advantage, including the devs specifically stating that it is, the devs have also specifically stated in a dev stream that the use of comms is not cheating, and is allowed.
@Kaelum shhh leave him to his fantasies.
”the reason its not blacklisted is because its undetectable, which is the same reason that MLGA isnt blacklisted either.”
blacklisting something they cant detect would just make them look stupid. thus, they were forced to state that its not cheating, despite the fact that its a non-whitelisted 3rd party app that gives an advantage, which is literally the definition of cheating.
by your logic, hacks that are not detectable are “not cheating”
That is a false statement, and has nothing at all to do with their reasoning. If you want more information, watch the dev stream yourself, and don’t ask me to point you to which one it is, it’s one of them since October 2017.
Detecting any application that is currently running, is an extremely simple task that requires very little effort. If BHVR wanted to eliminate the use of comms on PC, they could very easily do so. The fact remains that they believe that the use of comms is ok, even if it is unfair.
My ONLY issue with SWF is that it makes having the killers perks or add-ons being "secret" completely pointless. And lets be honest, If the killer could see everything all the survivors have after just one of them is sacrificed, there would be a riot lol! It gives SWF groups a clear advantage. The post game summary should only appear after the game has ended for everyone. Outside of that I don't see an issue with the survivors being able to socialize over the Mic. or spectate the rest of the match. Honestly, I won't play as survivor unless I'm in a swf group, its being able to socialize with friends while sharing the same game experience with them that makes playing survivor a fun experience for me.
they literally dont have the technology nor the legal ability to do what youve stated.
this is why you have to install batteeye seperate in many games and click to sign a waiver for them to monitor the apps on your machine while you are playing.
The devs have already stated that they are working on the hiding of the killers perks and addons until after the match has completed.
Careful @Lowbei, your ignorance is showing. I am a software engineer and from any application I write, I can detect every other running application on the system. Your knowledge of “technology” appears to be extremely limited, and laughable. “legal ability”? Really? ROFL!
@Kaelum btw do you have a link to that stream where the devs mentioned that voice chat isn't cheating?
Wanna clip that moment kek.
@Mc_Harty I can’t remember exactly which one that it is, but I think it was around Thanksgiving 2017. I started playing just before Halloween 2017, and it was sometime after that, but it could have been months later.
@Kaelum Ah well I'll find it later.
by your logic, no hacks would ever exist since they can just be detected. i guess blizzard and treyarch and bhvr etc are just lazy and havent heard about hacks /sarcasm
a company does not have the legal ability to monitor all apps on your pc. period. this isnt rocket science. they can only legally detect software that affects their game. this is why mlga was unwhitelisted, but not blacklisted, because it cannot be detected.
you lose, try again.
For giggles, i googled and pulled the top article about a similar issue. where EAs Origin, despite being a gaming software, was accused of illegally monitoring peoples PCs. This was just one of many examples, but according to you, they can just monitor your pc at any time lol. not even close dude.
https://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Says-Origin-Isn-t-Spyware-Although-It-Does-Scan-Your-Entire-PC-36690.html
rekt
for a "software engineer" you sure dont know much about software lol.
@Mc_Harty #68 at around 53:00 is just one place where they mention it, where they are explaining the banning system.
If you rely on swf who cheat or cheat yourself using discord to inform others inside the game you have no business being a surv.
Not to mentioen OoO in a SWF.....
you can't force them to make a mistake as they just communicate everything you are doing...
if one sees your totem, they all know where it is
if you try to 3 gen they distract and 3 man one gen and just keep doing that till it pops.
communication is just to strong for a game built like this. any and all things a killer can do are countered with a simple killer did x and is going y
Pls stop talking about sth you dont understand.
Also there only is a list of whitelisted programms, if that programm is not on the whitelist, then it is a bannable offense using it to gain an advantage over other players. That literally stands in the TOS, look it up if you dont believe me
@Lowbei you obviously don’t even understand the article that you posted, which has absolutely no bearing on any of my statements. Then again, you know absolutely nothing about how a computer OS works, and for some reason you are fixated on a scorecard in all of your discussions. Since you are doing nothing but trolling, it is time for me to stop feeding you. Have fun with your pitiful life under the bridge, but this conversation is at an end.
P.S. Don’t forget to post your follow-up, to ensure that you always get the last word.
We're talking about the imbalance provided by SWF voice comms. Were you confused?
There is a section in the TOS that states any interference with a players ability to enjoy a "service", meaning the game itself, is a banable offense. They are not enforcing this. Discord clearly interferes with a players ability to enjoy the "service". The devs choose to ignore this. I call it selective hearing. Only choosing to hear what you want to.
The devs dont ignore this, they actually put voice comms like discord/ts on the whitelist. There has been a post in the old forum where this was discussed.
Whether you like it or not, its pretty clear what the TOS state^^
Oh and btw, for some reason the "whitelist" doesnt actually exist, the devs were too lazy to create such a list, you need to go through the posts and search for stuff like that^^
Communication, cause it's just straight up cheating.
Bear Traps are revealed to all if 1 spots them, Phantasm Traps are revealed to all if 1 spots them, Hex Totems are revealed to all if 1 spots them, Object of Obsession is now free and doesn't have a negative, Bond is now free, Empathy is now free, Kindred is now free, using Insidious for camping is impossible, they'll tell others what Add-ons and Perks you run once they're dead (Yes, i know they want to remove this, but they've made empty promises before, so i'm not counting on it.), they can tell eachother who's the Obsession and, additionally, if they're affected by Dying Light.
The devs want to buff solo Survivors to be as good in a place as SWF Survivors.
Yeah, that's never gonna happen, for they'd have to destroy the entire concept of numerous Perks.
Yes, the devs don't view communication as cheating.
And yes, i'll keep viewing it as cheating.
Nice! Thanks for letting me know 😊
@Kaelum Thank ya kindly.
The main issue with SWF is the fact that communication can make you to optimize the plays. "The killer is going at X, the totem is at X, The killer is Myers, he's stalking X, the killer is camping/not camping, do gens/save me"
A lot of edges in the game for killers are earned via the lack of communication of survivors, making them to go as multiple person for the saves, or not going for the save at all. With comm, you can just reduce/nullify these "mistakes" and play accordingling the whole round with ease.
How can you make the statement that you did, yet not classify it as cheating? (HUGE ADVANTAGE that wasn't intended in the game) Dude, its ok to think its cheating and still do it.