BHVR, your bias is showing again!

What a surprise, they nerf'd a good change to Dark Arrogance; helping justify it's reduced effectiveness since diminishing returns was introduced, and then buff'd Shoulder The Burden off PTB (for the reason being it isn't as good for solo players lmao) so it functions almost exactly the same as it did before.

So a mediocre killer perk that got a decent buff is useless again compared to Superior Anatomy (which does the same thing but better) while the strongest survivor perk in the game remains relatively the same.

Don't worry guys, they treat both sides equally. Disappointing.

Comments

  • Shoulder the burden will rarely be used by 1 survivor in solo q and it being used by 2 survivors is extremely rare, this change only impacted the swf which is the reason for this perk being a problem and it will remain the same for them.

  • @SpyUA said:

    Shoulder the burden will rarely be used by 1 survivor in solo q and it being used by 2 survivors is extremely rare, this change only impacted the swf which is the reason for this perk being a problem and it will remain the same for them.

    STB in a SWF was always the problem. It finally had a good change and BHVR removed it.

  • Dark Arrogance was problematic for giving 5 permanent stacks of STBFL that, with STBFL, could result in over 50% reduced attack cooldowns, which was an issue on Clown, Freddy, and possibly Deathslinger. It's not my ideal change either, I'd like to see the stun increase go back to where it was, or for them to just reduce the % from 25 to 10-15, but it should not have made it to live.

    I don't know how we're saying they "buffed Shoulder the Burden." It's still a massive nerf. They removed the part that made it completely unusable for solo queue, but it's still broken for 2 whole minutes. That means you very well might lose a health state and are guaranteed to have to spend time healing after the broken is over, and that's assuming you survive the 2 minutes, because that duration is plenty long enough to down you, hook you, and you will still be impossible to heal the next time you get off hook so you're an easy target to tunnel out instead. I don't really think "buff" and "Shoulder the Burden" should be used in the same sentence.

  • Recent survivor meta nerfs include SB, Vigil, and Deliverence. Upcoming nerfs include StB (Broken is a nerf) and WoO. Cross Examinarion and FT were nerfed almost instantly. Self-Perservtion got a slightly longer second in the sun before its soon-to-be nerf. Basekit BT was nerfed to make tunneling easier than ever. But yeah, the bias is favoring survivors. Sure.

  • @Arcturus said:

    Dark Arrogance was problematic for giving 5 permanent stacks of STBFL that, with STBFL, could result in over 50% reduced attack cooldowns, which was an issue on Clown, Freddy, and possibly Deathslinger. It's not my ideal change either, I'd like to see the stun increase go back to where it was, or for them to just reduce the % from 25 to 10-15, but it should not have made it to live.

    I don't know how we're saying they "buffed Shoulder the Burden." It's still a massive nerf. They removed the part that made it completely unusable for solo queue, but it's still broken for 2 whole minutes. That means you very well might lose a health state and are guaranteed to have to spend time healing after the broken is over, and that's assuming you survive the 2 minutes, because that duration is plenty long enough to down you, hook you, and you will still be impossible to heal the next time you get off hook so you're an easy target to tunnel out instead. I don't really think "buff" and "Shoulder the Burden" should be used in the same sentence.

    My survivor games were 99 % of quad slowdown blight, nurse, billy and ghoul. I had different killer once in 10 games and now when the roaster was able to compete im gonna see blight, nurse, billy and ghoul for another 2 years before they do another metashake up that they scrap :) whole hook reward, antitunnel, antislug scrapped, metashake ups scrapped. In the end it will result in most of the nerfs remaining and buffs reverting or gutting even more. Why they even bother doing something when they can't even stay behind their own work? Any player with 200+ hrs would immidiately say what may and may not be problem or give them reasonable change. Why are they nerfing Self-preservation when shadowstep and lockers exist? To give killer aura off hook? Well none of these perks last 15s do they? And even if they rework it, how many perks allow stealth? Quite many. They say they don't want to extend elusive despite most players find the elusive being pretty bad due to how open maps are and any killer that is closeby will be able to track the survivor not even to mention that elusive works as perfect "oh youre bt is gone". Do you believe those perks are the only gutted? I don't think so… Many people are burnt out of the stale state of the game and with how nothing is changes for years well. There are leaks about Terrifier not sure whether they are real, leaker promise they are and if those perks are true than damn, we probably never get another meta perk ever.

  • @cogsturning said:

    Recent survivor meta nerfs include SB, Vigil, and Deliverence. Upcoming nerfs include StB (Broken is a nerf) and WoO. Cross Examinarion and FT were nerfed almost instantly. Self-Perservtion got a slightly longer second in the sun before its soon-to-be nerf. Basekit BT was nerfed to make tunneling easier than ever. But yeah, the bias is favoring survivors. Sure.

    As much as this is true you miss the main point. B-S tier killers will celebrate while lower killers won't notice much changes. Sprint Burst imo wasn't the issue, the issue was sprint burst and vigil combined. Sprint burst technically received two heavy nerfs. Which result in less frustration on lower tier killers and that's a good change. Killers got DMS nerfed (hopefully) as it can be triggered by so many perks and add ons and keeping objective hostage whole game just isn't good design. DMS will still synergize well with grim that will guarantee 50s block per each first hook and then killers will have to work on blocking them which will mostly affect lower tiers again sadly.

  • @YukariTheAlpaca said:

    What a surprise, they nerf'd a good change to Dark Arrogance; helping justify it's reduced effectiveness since diminishing returns was introduced, and then buff'd Shoulder The Burden off PTB (for the reason being it isn't as good for solo players lmao) so it functions almost exactly the same as it did before.

    So a mediocre killer perk that got a decent buff is useless again compared to Superior Anatomy (which does the same thing but better) while the strongest survivor perk in the game remains relatively the same.

    Don't worry guys, they treat both sides equally. Disappointing.

    maybe be up to date before posting a comment at least! @cogsturning replied u very well above

  • I don't personally agree with the Dark Arrogance change, I think something to stop it specifically from stacking with the problem synergies would've been a much smarter change, but I don't think it's evidence of a bias. It's not as though Dark Arrogance could've hit live as-is with no adjustments.

    It's also not as though Dark Arrogance was the only noteworthy killer perk change, either, it's just one of a fair few.

    I've never understood and continue to not understand why people act like StB is gamebreaking, too. Making it single-use for anyone would've been a terrible precedent to set, and since the perk is only actually strong when the killer's tunneling, there's nothing wrong with it being used once per survivor anyways.

  • It's amazing how many killers have been screaming bias just because they didn't get the shiny new toy they expected.

    Meanwhile, even though back-to-back updates have seen some of the most used survivor perks in the game's history gutted into the ground, because one single perk that shows up in a small fraction of matches only got one of the two proposed nerfs, that somehow shows that BHVR is biased… towards survivors? This community is so strange.

  • @Elan said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4121315#Comment_4121315

    As much as this is true you miss the main point. B-S tier killers will celebrate while lower killers won't notice much changes. Sprint Burst imo wasn't the issue, the issue was sprint burst and vigil combined. Sprint burst technically received two heavy nerfs. Which result in less frustration on lower tier killers and that's a good change. Killers got DMS nerfed (hopefully) as it can be triggered by so many perks and add ons and keeping objective hostage whole game just isn't good design. DMS will still synergize well with grim that will guarantee 50s block per each first hook and then killers will have to work on blocking them which will mostly affect lower tiers again sadly.

    B-S tier killers is pretty much the whole roster. You can't buff a perk for Trapper and ignore what it'll do to 80% of killers.

    Where are all the people that were saying "the t in ptb is for testing" when FT went live? They tested DA and it didn't work out as is. People only think the ptb is unfair when their side doesn't get what they wanted.

    And the point of this post was not missed. This person is whining about imaginary bias after a bunch of survivor meta and basekit nerfs that they choice to ignore. Killer is in such a good place right now that killer mains are citing tests as noteworthy complaints. They're running out of sources of victimhood.

  • Bias or no bias, what was done in the past and what wasn't, it simply doesn't matter. What does matter, is these changes are not logical. I won't speak about STB as I avoid tunneling unless survivors themselves want to be tunneled, so I got no real experience there.

    But it's an undeniable fact that Dark Arrogance is straight up nerfed. It got a nothing burger buff, but the stun duration was not reverted, it's same as on PTB, which means the perk got worse than it was before. THAT'S the real problem. It's a single change in the vacuum, but it's one of the many done in the similar manner. Bhvr is too fast and too harsh with some of the changes they do. Why are they all or nothing changes?