The devs don’t actually answer questions during their stream

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Ive watched the streams for a while now, and whenever the devs are asked questions regarding mechanic or balance changes, 75% of the time they don’t actually give a substantive answer 

Just earlier, someone asked about Freddy and they hardly went into detail on the projected changes or thoughts. Same with DS, hatch, etc... we ask about potential new game modes and no specific details are given... 

It’s frustrating as someone who supports this game to just be given empty statements rather than cogent responses 

Tsulan

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.

GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 

PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.

Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

He is the master of strawmans. He just said I find swf impossible to deal with and yet I never claimed or implied that. The guy is stuck in his own mindset and won’t open his mind one bit to other views. Worthless to discuss with. The fact that many people are liking his comments is sad but honestly I’m not surprised with how immature and illogical this community can be

It's actually really sad. But then again, we all know how immature and toxic our community is.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SC is more popular after the healing nerf?

That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.

GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 

PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.

Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

Where, link it?!

(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)

https://youtu.be/DqtBskYaero
Here you go. 
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. 

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SC is more popular after the healing nerf?

That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.

GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 

PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.

Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

Where, link it?!

(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)

https://youtu.be/DqtBskYaero
Here you go. 
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. 

I can’t comment anymore 

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SC is more popular after the healing nerf?

That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.



GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 



PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.



Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.

All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

Where, link it?!

(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)

Here you go. 
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. 

how about you drop some time stamps for me as to where exactly Mcote talks about these things, lol.
The whole point is to provide evidence not make me sift through a 59 minute video.

Vietfox

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Ive watched the streams for a while now, and whenever the devs are asked questions regarding mechanic or balance changes, 75% of the time they don’t actually give a substantive answer 

Just earlier, someone asked about Freddy and they hardly went into detail on the projected changes or thoughts. Same with DS, hatch, etc... we ask about potential new game modes and no specific details are given... 

It’s frustrating as someone who supports this game to just be given empty statements rather than cogent responses 

Your thread seems quite immature.
Devs already said that definitely want to work on Freddy, but how can you expect an answer if they still need to go through some more ideas and testing?
You want them to lie to you?
You want them to give you false expectations?
Devs are being careful with their statements especially because of people like you and other issues in the past, like the rework on DS and all the people who came to the forums to yell and complain. Devs have learnt that is better to not say anything till they are sure.
Btw, you should be thankful for the feedback they provide, few companies are that responsive.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SC is more popular after the healing nerf?

That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.



GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 



PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.



Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.

All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

Where, link it?!

(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)

Here you go. 
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. 

how about you drop some time stamps for me as to where exactly Mcote talks about these things, lol.
The whole point is to provide evidence not make me sift through a 59 minute video.

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

powerbats

@Tsulan said:

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

I can see both sides of the argument here but in this instance if he turns around or someone else did and posted a 5 hour video etc and said there's your proof. Based on the past responses given by some of the killer mains on here giving a timestamp is a fair thing to do.

If you know where the info is a simple it's around x time is more than appropriate to prove your point similar to the discussion about the timestamp around the 17 discussion.

FayeZahara

I feel like from streams they answer half of questions then for other half its all vague answers. But i also feel that don't get in on the qna in time either. So all the pressing questions have to hope get asked in some form.

benzos

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

SC is more popular after the healing nerf?

That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.



GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 



PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.



Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.

All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

Where, link it?!

(this is where Tsulan doesn't link anything and pretends he missed my comment and then brushes off the evidence because making stuff up is better)

Here you go. 
Enjoy the talk about a OP Freddy. 

hey. they're talking about a killer review bomb. hahaha.

Tsulan

powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

I can see both sides of the argument here but in this instance if he turns around or someone else did and posted a 5 hour video etc and said there's your proof. Based on the past responses given by some of the killer mains on here giving a timestamp is a fair thing to do.

If you know where the info is a simple it's around x time is more than appropriate to prove your point similar to the discussion about the timestamp around the 17 discussion.

I don't have the time stamp, Because I'm not going to search every single bit for him, so he can discredit it immediately.
Because that's exactly what happened in the past. He asked for proof, I provided it with time stamps and then he ignored it and changed subject. Back then it was about face camping. 

powerbats

@Tsulan said:
powerbats said:

@Tsulan said:

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?

You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

I can see both sides of the argument here but in this instance if he turns around or someone else did and posted a 5 hour video etc and said there's your proof. Based on the past responses given by some of the killer mains on here giving a timestamp is a fair thing to do.

If you know where the info is a simple it's around x time is more than appropriate to prove your point similar to the discussion about the timestamp around the 17 discussion.

I don't have the time stamp, Because I'm not going to search every single bit for him, so he can discredit it immediately.
Because that's exactly what happened in the past. He asked for proof, I provided it with time stamps and then he ignored it and changed subject. Back then it was about face camping. 

Ok fair enough, it looked like based upon what you'd said that you knew exactly where it was so the clarification is nice. I'll try and re-watch it later if my migraine stops nagging me for a bit so I can see what you're both talking about.

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.

they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.

Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?
You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.

they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.

Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.

Have you watched the whole video?

Why are you calling me a killer main? 
I played almost exclusively survivor for the last 4-5 months. 

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?

You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.

they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.

Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.

Have you watched the whole video?

Why are you calling me a killer main? 
I played almost exclusively survivor for the last 4-5 months. 

Yea, I watched the entire video just because I knew you wouldn't prove a single damn thing, and guess what, you didn't.

I invite you watch the entire thing and if you can point out to what I apparently missed, because it never gets said, continue telling me I make things up while it's the only thing you do.

I call you a killer main because thats the side you moan for on here, you've figured you're not good at killer so you constantly want things to make it easier, so far as to make things up saying the devs lie about stats and then show a video where they don't even mentions stats in the ENTIRE video.

You didn't even check or know your own evidence, just assumed I wouldn't look through the video.

Giche

@SenzuDuck said:

Survivors die more than they survive, there are no balance issues.

You are usually the first to say : escaping =/= winning.

That a PIP is enought, and that the killer should content himself with it instead of tryharding for his 4K.

LUL you just found with these stats a new toy to troll peoples with .

As usual, Devs brings sketchy and non clear data to help fitting the survivor mains narrative in the community.

So killer mains can "shut the hell up and quit winhing "

Remember this time when they pathetically tried to make peoples believe that SelfCare was only used in 1/4 of the lobby, hence why it didn't need a rework and there are no problems, killers are just crybabies...

So much disrespect for one part of your community.

But nothing news, Devs and toxic survivor mains tends to hope that peoples are stupid enough to forget about their behaviors and shenaningans, i'm not even surprised.

Seanzu

@Giche said:
You are usually the first to say : escaping =/= winning.

That a PIP is enought, and that the killer should content himself with it instead of tryharding for his 4K.

LUL you just found with these stats a new toy to troll peoples with .

As usual, Devs brings sketchy and non clear data to help fitting the survivor mains narrative in the community.

So killer mains can "shut the hell up and quit winhing "

Right, and what's your point? Killers arguments on the forums is they can't kill survivors well enough, they are too strong, these stats directly refute that point and say "Hey, survivors actually die more than they survive, so they aren't that strong"

It has absolutely nothing to do with what I think "winning" or "losing" is, it simply shows that survivors are more likely to die in a trial than survive, but yea sure, lets pretend it's somehow linked to what I consider a win condition.

Remember this time when they pathetically tried to make peoples believe that SelfCare was only used in 1/4 of the lobby, hence why it didn't need a rework and there are no problems, killers are just crybabies...

So much disrespect for one part of your community.

But nothing news, Devs and toxic survivor mains tends to hope that peoples are stupid enough to forget about their behaviors and shenaningans, i'm not even surprised.

Oh yea, that stat they released one and a half years ago that people like you constantly bring up, LOL.
You defeat your own arguments one after another.
As if stats don't change or anything?

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Giche

@iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

The fact that many people are liking his comments is sad but honestly I’m not surprised with how immature and illogical this community can be

You know what are they enjoying in his posts ?

The fact that he can spew as much non sense as possible to start flamewars without facing consequences, and the facts that peoples still reply to him even knowing his usual shenaningan.

And that peoples replying to him, unlike him, has to choose their words carefully.

Giche

@SenzuDuck said:

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Don't complain about your lack of reading comprehension if you're not even willing to read what others has to say lol.

Seanzu

@Giche said:

@SenzuDuck said:

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Don't complain about your lack of reading comprehension if you're not even willing to read what others has to say lol.

Honestly trying to read anything you post is... tough.

I'll keep my reading comprehension just below that of your typing comprehension so I can continue to ignore what you post and read everything else people put, that makes sense to me.

You're so smart, Giche.
Thank you.

Giche

@SenzuDuck

No u.

Lul keep lowering the bar, that's what you do the best .

Seanzu

@Giche said:
You relying on this strawman and him nitpicking my english "skill" just mean that you both lack arguments.

And resort to this kind of shenaningans, as usual.

Also do you think i care about the opinion of someone with a name directly inspired by the notorious pedophile who plague this game ?

Why argue points when I type something like this

and your reply is one sentence? You can't argue your side and instead ignore all points made by other people so you can then call them out later in a conversation and say "you're out of arguments" when it's you that shys away from them in the first place.

Giche

@SenzuDuck said:

Why argue points when I type something like this

I was answering to this :

@SenzuDuck said:

Survivors die more than they survive, there are no balance issues.

Just commenting on how much you can twist and willingly misinterpret things to fit your narrative depending of the subject.

I had nothing else to add, hence why i encouraged you to read it again.

and your reply is one sentence? You can't argue your side and instead ignore all points made by other people so you can then call them out later in a conversation and say "you're out of arguments" when it's you that shys away from them in the first place.

Replying to what ?

This ?

@SenzuDuck said:

Oh yea, that stat they released one and a half years ago that people like you constantly bring up, LOL.
You defeat your own arguments one after another.
As if stats don't change or anything?

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Strawmans, ad hominem...

Are you blaming me for not taking the bait ? lmao

I never bringed their stats as an argument, the only time you could see me mentioning it was in answers to peoples like you who always used it as a proof that SWF isn't a problem.

I personally never trusted anyone of the Devs stats, they are ALL skewed from the get go, hence why not reliable.

But hey, i wonder why i even bother, you are not here to discuss anything.

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Tsulan said:

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.

GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 

PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.

Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

He is the master of strawmans. He just said I find swf impossible to deal with and yet I never claimed or implied that. The guy is stuck in his own mindset and won’t open his mind one bit to other views. Worthless to discuss with. The fact that many people are liking his comments is sad but honestly I’m not surprised with how immature and illogical this community can be

It's actually really sad. But then again, we all know how immature and toxic our community is.

If the community mostly consisted of people like me and you, this game would be so much better for BOTH sides. The devs wouldn’t have to worry about screeching morons. I have always given this game constructive criticism and people like duck just strawman and provide nothing to the convo 

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Tsulan said:

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Tsulan said:

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SC is more popular after the healing nerf?
That's a bold statement.

I was referring to the stats which at that moment where supposed to be correct, but where debunked shortly after.

GOOD GOD.

You, Tsulan, say that the self care percentage was wrong, and imply that you assume it was more popular.

I, SenzuDuck, say that while that may have been true when the stats were released it probably isn't true now, as the perk does see heavy use.

You, Tsulan, now turn those two statements around and say that it probably isn't more popular because of self care nerf?

What point are you trying to make?

Hey, these stats are wrong (he says about year and a half year old stats)

Hey, you're probably right about those stats if we were to look at them now

Yea but it probably isn't common bc self care nerf LOL

Again what are you trying to say?, i've put what you've said into two different formats and I still want to run head first into a wall.

What are you trying to prove or point out?

Why even bring up the Self care nerf. If they said Survivors use self care 90% of the time you'd be on your knees praising them, but because the stats ARE OLD and probably wrong NOW you want to call them out for it?

I know, ignorance is bliss and you life it to the maximum. But even you can't deny that the devs gave us fake stats in the past to calm the angry mob down. 

PROVE the devs gave us false stats, where's the proof? You ALWAYS make statements without proof and act as if it's gospel, where are these so called fake stats? Just because the stats aren't true now doesn't mean they're fake when they got released.

Let's see, Matt explained that Freddy had a overwhelming high kill rate. Then he explained that people had a overwhelming high disconnect rate against him and then he explained that the system doesn't differentiate between a kill and a disconnect.
All in the same stream.

If you would actually pay attention to what the devs say, you would notice that. But as always, it's simply impossible to discuss anything with you. 

He is the master of strawmans. He just said I find swf impossible to deal with and yet I never claimed or implied that. The guy is stuck in his own mindset and won’t open his mind one bit to other views. Worthless to discuss with. The fact that many people are liking his comments is sad but honestly I’m not surprised with how immature and illogical this community can be

It's actually really sad. But then again, we all know how immature and toxic our community is.

I have always given this game constructive criticism. People like duck don’t provide anything to the discussion because all they do is strawman. 

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Ten bucks says the console optimization patch doesn’t actually come in December like the devs promise

Unicorn

How I wish we can all be, regardless of mains ❤️ 

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Vietfox said:

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Giche said:

@SenzuDuck said:

Why argue points when I type something like this

I was answering to this :

@SenzuDuck said:

Survivors die more than they survive, there are no balance issues.

Just commenting on how much you can twist and willingly misinterpret things to fit your narrative depending of the subject.

I had nothing else to add, hence why i encouraged you to read it again.

and your reply is one sentence? You can't argue your side and instead ignore all points made by other people so you can then call them out later in a conversation and say "you're out of arguments" when it's you that shys away from them in the first place.

Replying to what ?

This ?

@SenzuDuck said:

Oh yea, that stat they released one and a half years ago that people like you constantly bring up, LOL.
You defeat your own arguments one after another.
As if stats don't change or anything?

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Strawmans, ad hominem...

Are you blaming me for not taking the bait ? lmao

I never bringed their stats as an argument, the only time you could see me mentioning it was in answers to peoples like you who always used it as a proof that SWF isn't a problem.

I personally never trusted anyone of the Devs stats, they are ALL skewed from the get go, hence why not reliable.

But hey, i wonder why i even bother, you are not here to discuss anything.

Duck seems to not have a job considering he’s on here all day. He also must’ve never went to a school that teachers what fallacies are. I’m just speculating on these claims but I wouldn’t be surprised if I was correct....

@iTz_KilLaZ_x
When someone needs to rely on personal attacks said person lost the argument already.

Vietfox said:

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Giche said:

@SenzuDuck said:

Why argue points when I type something like this

I was answering to this :

@SenzuDuck said:

Survivors die more than they survive, there are no balance issues.

Just commenting on how much you can twist and willingly misinterpret things to fit your narrative depending of the subject.

I had nothing else to add, hence why i encouraged you to read it again.

and your reply is one sentence? You can't argue your side and instead ignore all points made by other people so you can then call them out later in a conversation and say "you're out of arguments" when it's you that shys away from them in the first place.

Replying to what ?

This ?

@SenzuDuck said:

Oh yea, that stat they released one and a half years ago that people like you constantly bring up, LOL.
You defeat your own arguments one after another.
As if stats don't change or anything?

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Strawmans, ad hominem...

Are you blaming me for not taking the bait ? lmao

I never bringed their stats as an argument, the only time you could see me mentioning it was in answers to peoples like you who always used it as a proof that SWF isn't a problem.

I personally never trusted anyone of the Devs stats, they are ALL skewed from the get go, hence why not reliable.

But hey, i wonder why i even bother, you are not here to discuss anything.

Duck seems to not have a job considering he’s on here all day. He also must’ve never went to a school that teachers what fallacies are. I’m just speculating on these claims but I wouldn’t be surprised if I was correct....

@iTz_KilLaZ_x
When someone needs to rely on personal attacks said person lost the argument already.

How am I making a personal attack by making an educated guess based on things I’ve seen regarding duck? He’s already demonstrated that he doesn’t know what a fallacy is. In terms of not having a job, I have no proof for that but he’s active on this forum everyday for hours. I aso

DwightsLifeMatters

SenzuDuck said:

@fcc2014 said:

@Boss said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@Boss said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@Boss said:

@SenzuDuck said:

I didn't watch the stream.
Did they say over what period of time those stats came from?
And when that time period occurred?

70 days is what they stated.

That's good then, that's more than enough.

Welp, balance seems close to perfect actually, only low ranked Survivors need to get just a tad more love.
Now they need to work on the fun factor of certain mechanics.

It's funny because at rank 3 it takes a large dip for some reason ahah, those rank 3 plebs letting us all down eh /s

What i'm very curious about is why PS4 does so well on rank 15-13.
But then so ######### on red ranks.

Maybe more derank to have easy games. We have had killer mains on this very forum talk about deranking to those ranks for easy matches.

no no no, stop.

They want "fun" matches, what the don't realise is fun for them means stomping on lesser experienced players. "FUN"

Just watched a friend playing at rank 15 as survivor. Has around 20 hrs playtime. Barely some useful perks. Encounters over and over complete full tryhard killers with BBQ&C and all these strong perks on level 3, playing billy, myers, nurse etc. They absolutely stomp the newbies. He said to me that he's going to take a break from dbd due to that.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:

After claiming that I wouldn't link anything?

You asked for proof, I provided it. Not my problem if you can't be bothered to actually watch a dev stream.

So at 3:54 he says "Freddy is extremely powerful" and then a few seconds later he states "a lot of people DC when they see freddy". This is pre nerf as far as I can tell.

they say NOTHING about statistics, I asked you for proof of them making false statements about statistics and all you have is McCote saying something about freddy being strong (pre nerf) and that people DC against him, nothing about differentiating between kills or DCs and no reason to either as he isn't tying these statements to stats.

Once again, a killer main giving absolutely no evidence of the "lies" BHVR spread, LOL.

Have you watched the whole video?

Why are you calling me a killer main? 
I played almost exclusively survivor for the last 4-5 months. 

Yea, I watched the entire video just because I knew you wouldn't prove a single damn thing, and guess what, you didn't.

I invite you watch the entire thing and if you can point out to what I apparently missed, because it never gets said, continue telling me I make things up while it's the only thing you do.

I call you a killer main because thats the side you moan for on here, you've figured you're not good at killer so you constantly want things to make it easier, so far as to make things up saying the devs lie about stats and then show a video where they don't even mentions stats in the ENTIRE video.

You didn't even check or know your own evidence, just assumed I wouldn't look through the video.

You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?

https://youtu.be/DqtBskYaero
Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14

I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics. 

https://youtu.be/jEvn-07F5y0
Timestamp 22:44 

But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something. 

Hoodied

@iTz_KilLaZ_x said:
SenzuDuck said:

@iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Where is your evidence for that claim

Literally the stream you just watched, lol.

This doesn’t prove there’s not balance issues though. I stopped watching the stream. I didn’t watch the entire thing 

I didn't watch the entire thing, NO WONDER WHY THEY NEVER ANSWER THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOUR NOT THERE LONG ENOUGH TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS!!!!

Carpemortum

Freudentrauma said:

@SenzuDuck said:

@Boss said:

@SenzuDuck said:

I didn't watch the stream.
Did they say over what period of time those stats came from?
And when that time period occurred?

70 days is what they stated.

So it contains the event? Then I have to say the stastic is basicly useless, then. Death rate was abnormal during that time. Farming rounds as well.

Pretty sure they said it was before the event, but I may be wrong. 

Edit: I was wrong. Was said before rank resets. 

Carpemortum

Nickenzie said:

SenzuDuck said:

@knell said:
At 26:27 in the link you provided, Horvath clearly says, "That's 7 days before the rank reset." Not 17. Not 70. Unless you want to take a poll in the forums to see if whether I'm the deaf one, or you are the deaf one, I don't know if there's anything much more to say about this. I just find it sad that no one had bothered to question your claim, just as no one questioned the statistic handed to us by the developers.

You're listening to the wrong part.

at 26:02 he says "and that's within the last 17 days, before the rank reset".

I agree with these stats but we still have some problems with killers such as...

-Lighthouse Totems
-Generator Rush
-Weak Killers

Once these things get fixed, I think we will have a pretty balanced game overall.

Lighthouse totems are basically a thing of the past. Only ones I've seen on hills are behind rocks on the path up, not on top.

Gay Myers (Luzi)

Hey, while you are allowed to discuss things, please do not make it personal and keep it on topic.

Also to answer, the devs are also restricted by what they can say, so they can't mention everything. If they're doing Freddy changes, they just can't talk about everything.

iTz_KilLaZ_x

Vietfox said:

iTz_KilLaZ_x said:

Giche said:

@SenzuDuck said:

Why argue points when I type something like this

I was answering to this :

@SenzuDuck said:

Survivors die more than they survive, there are no balance issues.

Just commenting on how much you can twist and willingly misinterpret things to fit your narrative depending of the subject.

I had nothing else to add, hence why i encouraged you to read it again.

and your reply is one sentence? You can't argue your side and instead ignore all points made by other people so you can then call them out later in a conversation and say "you're out of arguments" when it's you that shys away from them in the first place.

Replying to what ?

This ?

@SenzuDuck said:

Oh yea, that stat they released one and a half years ago that people like you constantly bring up, LOL.
You defeat your own arguments one after another.
As if stats don't change or anything?

all in all, another useless post from Giche that means nothing.

Strawmans, ad hominem...

Are you blaming me for not taking the bait ? lmao

I never bringed their stats as an argument, the only time you could see me mentioning it was in answers to peoples like you who always used it as a proof that SWF isn't a problem.

I personally never trusted anyone of the Devs stats, they are ALL skewed from the get go, hence why not reliable.

But hey, i wonder why i even bother, you are not here to discuss anything.

Duck seems to not have a job considering he’s on here all day. He also must’ve never went to a school that teachers what fallacies are. I’m just speculating on these claims but I wouldn’t be surprised if I was correct....

@iTz_KilLaZ_x
When someone needs to rely on personal attacks said person lost the argument already.

How am I making a personal attack by making educated guess based on things I’ve seen regarding duck? He’s already demonstrated that he doesn’t what a fallacy is. In terms of not having a job, I have no proof for that but he’s active on this forum everyday for hours. I also checked his stats for this forum and he has a ton of likes and comments.

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?

Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14

I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics. 

Timestamp 22:44 

But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something. 

Bro, your argument was started because you said devs LIE about stats, WHAT STATS do they lie about in the two time stamps your posted?

The two things are the two things i POINTED out in my first reply to you. They don't state that "we can't differentiate between DC & Kills" and they don't tie that in with any stats either.

You DIDNT prove they lied about stats which is what I ASKED you for.
Your own time stamps prove you wrong.

and THEN you move the goalpost and say "hey, here's another video btw"

Like come on Tsulan, what even.

Your proof of them giving us false stats is them saying "Freddy is tough" & "People DC against Freddy"

And just to bring it up, the SECOND video you post is about pre nerf freddy so
WHILE THOSE STATS WERE PROBABLY TRUE AT THE TIME
after his NERF it is likely they would have changed.

Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.

NMCKE

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?

Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14

I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics. 

Timestamp 22:44 

But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something. 

Bro, your argument was started because you said devs LIE about stats, WHAT STATS do they lie about in the two time stamps your posted?

The two things are the two things i POINTED out in my first reply to you. They don't state that "we can't differentiate between DC & Kills" and they don't tie that in with any stats either.

You DIDNT prove they lied about stats which is what I ASKED you for.
Your own time stamps prove you wrong.

and THEN you move the goalpost and say "hey, here's another video btw"

Like come on Tsulan, what even.

Your proof of them giving us false stats is them saying "Freddy is tough" & "People DC against Freddy"

And just to bring it up, the SECOND video you post is about pre nerf freddy so
WHILE THOSE STATS WERE PROBABLY TRUE AT THE TIME
after his NERF it is likely they would have changed.

Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.

I'm not saying the stats aren't true, they do seem really legitimate but can I say one thing without sparking an argument @SenzuDuck?

Whenever a survivor DC's or doesn't load into the game, you'll get 25% bonus points to the Devout emblem for every survivor who DC'd. Obviously you know this but here's the scary part, whenever you check your Devout emblem post-trial, you'll see survivors who DC'd be marked as mori'd such as "25% Survivor Moris"  So, knowing how the system tracks DCs as Survivor Moris, could this have skewed the statistics? Knowing this and how survivors were killing themselves during the Hollowed Blight event to get more nectar faster. I think the statistics are misleading slightly in my opinion and should be around the 50% area, however I do agree with you, killer is getting less stressful.

Seanzu

@Nickenzie said:
I'm not saying the stats aren't true, they do seem really legitimate but can I say one thing without sparking an argument @SenzuDuck?

Whenever a survivor DC's or doesn't load into the game, you'll get 25% bonus points to the Devout emblem for every survivor who DC'd. Obviously you know this but here's the scary part, whenever you check your Devout emblem post-trial, you'll see survivors who DC'd be marked as mori'd such as "25% Survivor Moris"  So, knowing how the system tracks DCs as Survivor Moris, could this have skewed the statistics? Knowing this and how survivors were killing themselves during the Hollowed Blight event to get more nectar faster. I think the statistics are misleading slightly in my opinion and should be around the 50% area, however I do agree with you, killer is getting less stressful.

I'm not entirely sure how they're tracking it but I'd wager a bet the statistic only matters if they either 1. Exit through a gate, or 2. Leave via hatch.

I honestly can't see them tracking "Survivor Escape Rate" by seeing who the killer does and doesn't kill, that would be a real odd way of tracking it, imo.

But hey, they might and that would make the statics BS, but as you can see in this thread, a lot of people are just saying the stats aren't true "because bhvr" pretty much.

NMCKE

SenzuDuck said:

@Nickenzie said:
I'm not saying the stats aren't true, they do seem really legitimate but can I say one thing without sparking an argument @SenzuDuck?

Whenever a survivor DC's or doesn't load into the game, you'll get 25% bonus points to the Devout emblem for every survivor who DC'd. Obviously you know this but here's the scary part, whenever you check your Devout emblem post-trial, you'll see survivors who DC'd be marked as mori'd such as "25% Survivor Moris"  So, knowing how the system tracks DCs as Survivor Moris, could this have skewed the statistics? Knowing this and how survivors were killing themselves during the Hollowed Blight event to get more nectar faster. I think the statistics are misleading slightly in my opinion and should be around the 50% area, however I do agree with you, killer is getting less stressful.

I'm not entirely sure how they're tracking it but I'd wager a bet the statistic only matters if they either 1. Exit through a gate, or 2. Leave via hatch.

I honestly can't see them tracking "Survivor Escape Rate" by seeing who the killer does and doesn't kill, that would be a real odd way of tracking it, imo.

But hey, they might and that would make the statics BS, but as you can see in this thread, a lot of people are just saying the stats aren't true "because bhvr" pretty much.

It's just something I thought to bring up for others to keep at the back of their head when viewing these statistics instead of being uncivilized like the other forum users in this thread by saying, "Nope, BS statistics. BHVR at it's finest!"

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
You really watched the whole video and this comments from Matt didn't ring a bell?
If you always pay as little attention while watching streams, it explains why you got so many things wrong. I mean it's in the first 5 minutes... like really?

Timestamps 3:45 and 4:14

I even took my time to search you the previous stream with the graphics. 

Timestamp 22:44 

But I'm sure you'll find an excuse to claim that's not true or something. 

Bro, your argument was started because you said devs LIE about stats, WHAT STATS do they lie about in the two time stamps your posted?

The two things are the two things i POINTED out in my first reply to you. They don't state that "we can't differentiate between DC & Kills" and they don't tie that in with any stats either.

You DIDNT prove they lied about stats which is what I ASKED you for.
Your own time stamps prove you wrong.

and THEN you move the goalpost and say "hey, here's another video btw"

Like come on Tsulan, what even.

Your proof of them giving us false stats is them saying "Freddy is tough" & "People DC against Freddy"

And just to bring it up, the SECOND video you post is about pre nerf freddy so
WHILE THOSE STATS WERE PROBABLY TRUE AT THE TIME
after his NERF it is likely they would have changed.

Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.

Surprise, surprise! You acted exactly as I predicted. Calling the information null, void and outdated. And @powerbats wondered why I didn't gave you the timestamps to begin with.

As I said before, they either don't know how to read their own stats or do it on purpose. There's a saying: never trust a chart you haven't manipulated yourself. 

Devs called Freddy OP. When the only thing that was op, was the amount of new players. Because he was released on a free weekend which also had double bloodpoints. Pre nerf Freddy was weak to begin with, but that's a whole different story. 
Devs also admitted in a different stream that they made a mistake regarding Freddy. But over 1 year passed and they didn't revoke that mistake. Half the time the game existed...

As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream. 
Until they rework the whole rank system and give out rewards for staying on high ranks, this situation won't change. 

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
Surprise, surprise! You acted exactly as I predicted. Calling the information null, void and outdated. And @powerbats wondered why I didn't gave you the timestamps to begin with.

Well yea, what's the point in providing old statistics? Your point would be valid if they were still saying Freddy is too strong, which they aren't.

This data is PRE NERF, so like I said, while it is very likely the DATA was true when it was released it certainly isn't true now. I really don't understand how you can even argue this.

I asked you to provide proof that they lie, you've provided proof of them saying he was strong and people DC against him, which they DID NOT provide data on in that stream.

It's like if you brought up data about plague deaths now and said that they lied and misrepresented data if they showed you a chart of deaths from the 1300s

As I said before, they either don't know how to read their own stats or do it on purpose. There's a saying: never trust a chart you haven't manipulated yourself. 

Literally nobody says this, not a single page on google has this "saying". You're making up even more things.

Devs called Freddy OP. When the only thing that was op, was the amount of new players. Because he was released on a free weekend which also had double bloodpoints. Pre nerf Freddy was weak to begin with, but that's a whole different story. 

I don't even know what you're talking about here, they said he was strong, they nerfed him. They're now redoing him. There was no misrepresentation of data, like you claim.

Devs also admitted in a different stream that they made a mistake regarding Freddy. But over 1 year passed and they didn't revoke that mistake. Half the time the game existed...

So? You're literally the definition of what I always get called, A Strawman. Why are you talking to me about Freddy Buffs & Dev Mistakes. Your whole basis for your argument was that devs lie about facts, no one, especially the Devs are saying Freddy is strong right now, everyone agrees he is less efficient at killing than other killers.

As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream. 

Oh dear "on their stream" another whiny little moaner that blames streamers for everything, and again another topic that has NOTHING to do with devs lying about stats, WHY can't you get it into your head that YOU started an argument accusing the devs of LYING about stats and saying theres "proof" of it and you haven't provided A SINGLE BIT.

I think almost every "killer" main I've actually conversed on this forum with have openly admitted to deranking, lmfao, some of them even DC depending on map, I don't get the fixation with attaching streamers to this, yet another strawman argument.

Until they rework the whole rank system and give out rewards for staying on high ranks, this situation won't change. 

Yes, this is also about how devs lie about stats, you just can't stay on topic. Absolute facepalm.

Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
Surprise, surprise! You acted exactly as I predicted. Calling the information null, void and outdated. And @powerbats wondered why I didn't gave you the timestamps to begin with.

Well yea, what's the point in providing old statistics? Your point would be valid if they were still saying Freddy is too strong, which they aren't.

This data is PRE NERF, so like I said, while it is very likely the DATA was true when it was released it certainly isn't true now. I really don't understand how you can even argue this.

I asked you to provide proof that they lie, you've provided proof of them saying he was strong and people DC against him, which they DID NOT provide data on in that stream.

It's like if you brought up data about plague deaths now and said that they lied and misrepresented data if they showed you a chart of deaths from the 1300s

 You asked for proof, I provided it. Now (surprise) you call it outdated. Since it didn't happen yesterday. 

Like always you keep moving the goalpost.

As I said before, they either don't know how to read their own stats or do it on purpose. There's a saying: never trust a chart you haven't manipulated yourself. 

Literally nobody says this, not a single page on google has this "saying". You're making up even more things.

 https://www.google.es/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&ei=YDbwW5TmE4nmsAfPnKxw&ins=false&q=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&oq=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12..0i30l2.4049.42103..43413...3.0..0.169.2197.1j16......0....1j2.......5..35i304i39j30i10j35i39j46i39.0BUQvZGasIY

Not my problem if you can't use Google properly. 

Devs called Freddy OP. When the only thing that was op, was the amount of new players. Because he was released on a free weekend which also had double bloodpoints. Pre nerf Freddy was weak to begin with, but that's a whole different story. 

I don't even know what you're talking about here, they said he was strong, they nerfed him. They're now redoing him. There was no misrepresentation of data, like you claim.

Yeah I noticed that you usually don't know what people are talking about. But still comment on it. Maybe it's a attention thing.

Devs also admitted in a different stream that they made a mistake regarding Freddy. But over 1 year passed and they didn't revoke that mistake. Half the time the game existed...

So? You're literally the definition of what I always get called, A Strawman. Why are you talking to me about Freddy Buffs & Dev Mistakes. Your whole basis for your argument was that devs lie about facts, no one, especially the Devs are saying Freddy is strong right now, everyone agrees he is less efficient at killing than other killers.

Yeah, that "fix" is taking more than a year. Talk about priorities. 

As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream. 

Oh dear "on their stream" another whiny little moaner that blames streamers for everything, and again another topic that has NOTHING to do with devs lying about stats, WHY can't you get it into your head that YOU started an argument accusing the devs of LYING about stats and saying theres "proof" of it and you haven't provided A SINGLE BIT.

I think almost every "killer" main I've actually conversed on this forum with have openly admitted to deranking, lmfao, some of them even DC depending on map, I don't get the fixation with attaching streamers to this, yet another strawman argument.

Thank God I'm not a killer main and never derank or play swf with low ranks...

Until they rework the whole rank system and give out rewards for staying on high ranks, this situation won't change. 

Yes, this is also about how devs lie about stats, you just can't stay on topic. Absolute facepalm.

Good job Tsulan, proving nothing, again.

Could you please stop making this personal? Let's talk like mature people. 
Btw, I don't know if my answers got listed correctly. Since I'm answering from my phone. 

Seanzu

@Tsulan said:
 https://www.google.es/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&ei=YDbwW5TmE4nmsAfPnKxw&ins=false&q=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&oq=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12..0i30l2.4049.42103..43413...3.0..0.169.2197.1j16......0....1j2.......5..35i304i39j30i10j35i39j46i39.0BUQvZGasIY

Not my problem if you can't use Google properly. 

Jesus, I can't even handle you, you LITERALLY typed the quote wrong in the first place, for the love of god if you're going to try and act smart be consistent, don't misquote something and then try and make me look stupid. LOL

Yeah I noticed that you usually don't know what people are talking about. But still comment on it. Maybe it's a attention thing.

Again, still completely avoiding the whole reason this conversation is happening and trying to make it seem like I'm in the wrong.

All i asked you is to prove that they lied about stats, which you were 100% they had, and were 100% you could prove, which you have not done, but you constantly change the subject of this conversation in some way to avoid the embarrassment.

Yeah, that "fix" is taking more than a year. Talk about priorities. 

Yea, they haven't made killers as a whole even stronger and survivors even weaker, it's the same thing with self care whiners.

They nerfed the entirety of healing instead of just one perk, they've nerfed the entirety of surviving and made all killers stronger in the process. Again, no proof the devs lied about anything which is the reason this conversation even started.

As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream. 

Thank God I'm not a killer main and never derank or play swf with low ranks...

Yes, I play SWF with low ranks, I also play SWF with high ranks, I also play SWF without any comms what so ever. I've played rank one killers and had a team of rank 14s. What is your point Tsulan, oh yea, your point is that you can't prove what you've said so you're constantly talking about nothing, like you always do.

Could you please stop making this personal? Let's talk like mature people. 
Btw, I don't know if my answers got listed correctly. Since I'm answering from my phone. 

I can assure you this isn't personal, every topic I'm in, you're in. I asked you one simple question, which was to prove that the devs lied about statistics. All you've done is lie and post some links to some streams that proved you wrong because you were too lazy to watch them yourself.

Stop spreading lies because you have issues with the devs because they don't pander to your every whim, it's embarrassing.

Let's move on from this conversation because once again Tsulan, you have proved nothing.

Tsulan

SenzuDuck said:

@Tsulan said:
 https://www.google.es/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gj-rev1&ei=YDbwW5TmE4nmsAfPnKxw&ins=false&q=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&oq=The+only+statistics+you+can+trust+are+those+you+falsified+yourself&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.12..0i30l2.4049.42103..43413...3.0..0.169.2197.1j16......0....1j2.......5..35i304i39j30i10j35i39j46i39.0BUQvZGasIY

Not my problem if you can't use Google properly. 

Jesus, I can't even handle you, you LITERALLY typed the quote wrong in the first place, for the love of god if you're going to try and act smart be consistent, don't misquote something and then try and make me look stupid. LOL

Yeah I noticed that you usually don't know what people are talking about. But still comment on it. Maybe it's a attention thing.

Again, still completely avoiding the whole reason this conversation is happening and trying to make it seem like I'm in the wrong.

All i asked you is to prove that they lied about stats, which you were 100% they had, and were 100% you could prove, which you have not done, but you constantly change the subject of this conversation in some way to avoid the embarrassment.

Yeah, that "fix" is taking more than a year. Talk about priorities. 

Yea, they haven't made killers as a whole even stronger and survivors even weaker, it's the same thing with self care whiners.

They nerfed the entirety of healing instead of just one perk, they've nerfed the entirety of surviving and made all killers stronger in the process. Again, no proof the devs lied about anything which is the reason this conversation even started.

As others pointed out, ranks don't mean anything, because people derank or play with lower ranks on their stream. 

Thank God I'm not a killer main and never derank or play swf with low ranks...

Yes, I play SWF with low ranks, I also play SWF with high ranks, I also play SWF without any comms what so ever. I've played rank one killers and had a team of rank 14s. What is your point Tsulan, oh yea, your point is that you can't prove what you've said so you're constantly talking about nothing, like you always do.

Could you please stop making this personal? Let's talk like mature people. 
Btw, I don't know if my answers got listed correctly. Since I'm answering from my phone. 

I can assure you this isn't personal, every topic I'm in, you're in. I asked you one simple question, which was to prove that the devs lied about statistics. All you've done is lie and post some links to some streams that proved you wrong because you were too lazy to watch them yourself.

Stop spreading lies because you have issues with the devs because they don't pander to your every whim, it's embarrassing.

Let's move on from this conversation because once again Tsulan, you have proved nothing.

I agree! Discussing with you leads nowhere. Have a lovely day!

NMCKE

Visionmaker said:

@Nickenzie said:
@Visionmaker

"They removed Lighthouse Totems a few patches ago FYI.Now they're hidden within the base of the rock, and are actually difficult to cleanse because you need to be at the right elevation to get the prompt."

I still know it's there, that's not gonna change until they make more hills or make new types of hills with multiple totem spots. In every game, you can guarantee that a totem will be on a hill just like a chest is always in the basement, it's a static location.

"And they're still buffing weak killers. Hence why Hag isn't absolute trash anymore, why the Spirit has been buffed like 50 times, and why they've been working to buff Freddy. They get the message, clearly."

I never said they didn't get the message, the developers are doing a great job at making killers more viable. I was saying that a few more killers could use some love such as Trapper, Leather Face, Doctor, and Freddy.

"Honestly, there's not much to complain about in terms of balance anymore. These stats have been telling us the same thing since the stats they released in the Pig chapter, but salty people don't really care to see the reality of it."

I wouldn't say these stats are the same since the Saw DLC had pallet vacuum, no healing nerf, scratch marks were screwed up, and there was perks on both sides that was exactly like the old Déjà vu. Currently, Dead by Daylight is starting to become a asymmetrical horror game, I have no doubts that the developers will fail us again.

Right, but that kills the glaring weakness of the lighthouse totems. It is basically stronger than most totems now. We can't even call them lighthouse totems anymore.

Eventually.

Yeah, there are probably fewer survivals now with all of the survivor nerfs. Um, I highly doubt it. I don't see any reason to be cynical when they have had nearly a year of progress.

"Right, but that kills the glaring weakness of the lighthouse totems. It is basically stronger than most totems now. We can't even call them lighthouse totems anymore."

Well, it depends what direction you are facing the rock. Hex totems are really bright and can be easily seen, I don't struggle to find totems on hills since ya know, a totem is always gonna spawn on one of the hills in the first place.

"Eventually. Yeah, there are probably fewer survivals now with all of the survivor nerfs. Um, I highly doubt it. I don't see any reason to be cynical when they have had nearly a year of progress."

Honestly, the developers have been doing a great job with their project regardless of the few bumps on the road. However, telling me I'm cynical is not fair since you don't know what the developers will do next which is the scary part. Just like they said with the DS changes, they told us it will be coming on the next PTB but it never came, they should've said it might be on the next PTB since it wouldn't have disappointed as many people including myself. I don't judge, the developers obviously have a lot of things on their hands and it's definitely hard for them to provide us a great game. I'm thankful for what we have currently and would love to see what's next, hopefully nothing bad.

ACEvHEARTS

Ffs, if I never hear the term “straw man” again for as long as I live, I can die happy. 

Half of if you don’t even know what it means. You just throw the term out when someone has you cornered. 

Wolf74

To read an correctly interpret graphs and stats, you need to understand mathematics.^^

Seanzu

@Wolf74 said:
To read an correctly interpret graphs and stats, you need to understand mathematics.^^

Yea it’s weird, every killer seems to be having a hard time understanding that survivors die more than they survive, despite having the data infront of them.

Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other. Why don’t you go and reply to the other post you spoke about this in where you’ve not replied to my breakdown where it’s more beneficial but have replied to everyone else. Let’s not forget to point out you replied to me every comment up until that breakdown.

-insert hurr durr maffs lol

Wolf74

@SenzuDuck said:>

Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.

No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.

Seanzu

@Wolf74 said:

@SenzuDuck said:>

Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.

No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.

-says no need to speak in the past, constantly brings up that I did maths wrong in a comments about a month ago LOL

Oh my god, another goal post change! Of course a perk creates for survivors isn’t beneficial for survivor but more time is wasted when self caring than healing each other. But you can go ahead and blame survivors for losing the killer. In all the scenarios you give the killer is losing injured players left and right.

Just goes to show what kind of matches you have given the silly little scenarios you always bring up. I’d much rather survivors self care for an entire match than heal each other 😂😂😂

Wolf74

@SenzuDuck said:

@Wolf74 said:

@SenzuDuck said:>

Also, I may have done the maths wrong but my point was still correct. It’s more beneficial to heal each other.

No need to speak in the past… you are still not getting math right if you think self healing is beneficial to the killer.

-says no need to speak in the past, constantly brings up that I did maths wrong in a comments about a month ago LOL

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That's not a month ago… you just did it again… you still do it wrong, that's the fun part why I keep mentioning it.^^