Is removing Bubba's masks can really prevent the hateful behaviors?
Firstly, I don't support any hateful or unsportable behaviors ingame. For me, game is the place for getting fun after works.
But I really concern about some points after reading the recent dev notes:
- Do you really think the BMs can not find other ways to spread the their hatefulness?
- If I play some killer likes Spirit / Oni / Trickster, should I hook or sacrifice Jack / Feng / Yun-Jin or any Asian related survivors?
- If I play as Feng / Jack / Claudette / Elodie / Tapp / Adam / Yun-Jin, may I report someone who camped me as racist behavior? Will they get banned?
- Will I get banned if I miss to mention any PoC or Asian killers or survivors on above points
- 6000 iri shards compensation, wow, so generous. We literally lost 4 pieces of cosmetic in-game, one piece might cost 400 auric cells. So with 6000 shards, may we buy any single piece of Bubba's cosmetic as a COMPENSATION? And hold on, can we use iri shard to purchase license content?
Tbh, I think the report system is the first thing which should be improved than any other.
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Sorry, havent been on here in a while. I just kinda wanted to say my opinion and didn't really see any others.
to add to this, continue to get mad at the racist pricks. do not get mad at the people who were racially harassed and so asked for the tool to be removed. be angry at those who racially harassed in the first place.
Sure, regardless of how it's being used it is still an issue. That is the point we're trying to make here. It is still an issue because the major problem still exists. The masks are gone, fine. Leave the masks. They'll never come back.
Where did the racists go? Did they just up and leave the game now that all of Bubbas masks are gone?
"Well our jobs done here, let's move on to another game"
The answer to your question, why I don't just accept 'lived experiences' as evidence with no actual evidence.
'Its innocent until proven guilty', not 'guilty because my experiences said so'.
Don't care. Not outsourcing the discussion. Is it blackface? No. It's all about personal experience, which is nebulous and malleable.
lgbt+ people: this isn't offensive, it's actually really welcome and i personally appreciate the gestu-
non-lgbt+ people: SO ANYWAY GUYS THIS IS INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE AND RUDE AND WE'RE GONNA SCREAM ABOUT HOW OFFENSIVE IT IS ARE WE GOOD ALLIES YET LOOK AT US REMOVE IT BECAUSE HOMOPHOBES OR SOMETHING IDK OFFENSIVE ARE WE BEING GOOD ALLIES YET GUYS THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULDN'T GET RID OF LITERAL BLACKFACE DESPITE THESE TWO THINGS HAVING VERY DIFFERENT CONNOTATIONS AND NOT BEING COMPARABLE IN THE SLIGHTEST BEST,,, IDK HOMOPHOBIA IT'S OFFENSIVE
just stop. before you embarass yourself further.
(this is on the assumption about the pride charm bc that's all that ever gets brought up in terms of lgbt+ and blackface bubba + i really cannot be asked to read 5 pages of the same bullshit we all dealt with yesterday for over half a day)
I'm trans and that skin is offensive to me. So why do you think your opinion matters more than mine?
I could say the same to you
then say it. everyone already knows you have a hate boner for me, so get it all out of your system.
though of course, do keep mandy's warning in mind.
I just wouldnt want you to get the wrong idea and embarrass yourself. In front of a community of people. Some that might look up to you. I'd hate for someone else to get the wrong idea and for a bad reason.
if people look up to me thats their loss lol i literally couldnt care
get all that anger off your chest, i know youre just seething to tell me all about how much you despise me. why else do you keep interacting with me whilst doing nothing but attempting to (and failing to) insult my character?
Theres no anger here. You're getting the wrong idea...
A serial killer, wearing clothes that are associated with women, it's stereotypical. This can also be observed in other movies like Gumb in Silence of the Lambs. It shapes a negative perspective of transgender people, specially transgender women, by associating them with this kind of deranged characters.
then go ahead and spell out to me exactly what issue you have with me
You're being a hypocrite and telling someone else to be quiet and stop embarrassing themselves...
I'd rather believe a potential liar than a potential racist. But each to their own.
is that all? oh no, anyway
Then why are you bothering to tell someone else the same thing?
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why not
Because they dont care either...
thats great
last i checked the forums were public and i could say whatever i wanted to whoever i wanted to within the forums rules
Ok and I guess I pretty much did the same thing, so here we are
Pointing out the lunacy got me jailed. So much for these forums being a place to discuss the game.
Wait and see what happens when you label everything as offensive and remove it.
yeah you can discuss the game
you were not discussing the game
I was discussing the game. Criticizing the Devs stance on a topic is against the rules.
Saying that will probably get me another warning because that's are apparently how forums work now.
i ran into one that might have facecamped me because i was playing claudette but the other ones just camped me because i was the first survivor they found even though I was playing Claudette those time too. All using the "gentlemen" set. I thought it was just a meme based on some facecamping streamer.
Because people choose to believe liars than these other things they deem to be 'worse'. Like racists.
So then they believe the liars, weaponize the law against their victims, and ruin lives. All because "guilty because my feelings said so" instead of "innocent until proven guilty".
If you are going to jump into the middle of a comment chain, be sure to read it all.
Please show me when it was established that Leatherface was canonically a transgender character? Because I'm fairly certain Leatherface is just someone who dresses up as their victims.
So I don't see how you're managing to jump to their cosmetic being a trans stereotype.
considering how many times ive shittalked the devs and got away with it i doubt that's the case lmao
you clearly weren't discussing the game, because if you were you wouldn't get punished. there's always something extra people don't say.
Everything isnt offensive, but that's the point. Bubbas masks were by all accounts an extension of his lore. They were not designed to be used as tools for racism. People are using in game content as tools for racism so we decided to remove in game content. Mandy already said racism is unstoppable. Yet we're removing content... does anyone see the problem? No? I kind of figured...
And here we are again...what a surprise! Still unable to discuss something civilly without resorting to personal attacks - I thought after yesterday we were past the petty digs at each other, appears I was wrong.