take off Bubba's mask against hate ok but also take off the t-bag
the t-bag is an act of toxic person, when there is a bad MMR and in addition you make yourself t-bag I find that it is also hateful
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the t-bag is an act of toxic person, when there is a bad MMR and in addition you make yourself t-bag I find that it is also hateful
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Oh right, you mean where it wasn't proven, based on records it was just BS, he got suspended without any proof and best is that saying to him that "he is monkey" got punished more than actually grouping,beating someone and sending him to hospital.
I am 100% sure that is not Czech racism issue, we wouldn't care.
I think you mean one is targeting killers and the other is targeting survivors... even less of an issue when it's so specific that you have to say only targeting certain survivors of color. If you put both of them on a scale, the amount of toxicity that survivors have towards killers is insurmountably greater than the chance that your next killer is a bigoted racist.
Why the ######### are you making this a killer vs survivor thing? Maybe you should be blaming racist players for getting the mask taken away, rather than the survivors who have had nothing to do with it.
Thing is, Have anyone even used it actually this way?
Or someone got offended just because they got face-camped by a killer with free skin?
Grow up. Using an in game cosmetic is not racist.
Of course they have, if these accusations didn't have any evidence to back them up, they wouldn't have removed the masks.
Never heard of this happening, but okay. Flashlights are an integral part of gameplay at the current time, and I'm sure if the game is an issue, the persons affected have every right to complain themselves, or heed warnings and seek medical attention or not play.
Generators have flashing lights above them and flashing sparks come from them while being repaired. Doctor has flashing in his power. Why is this not being mentioned? Oh. Right, because fellow killers are only mad at flashlights.
Even so, we are talking about ACTUAL HATE BEHAVIOR, and to compare that to features that may cause adverse MEDICAL reactions is still asinine. These are different issues that need to be addressed differently.
Literally turned a topic of racism in a gaming community into a Us vs Them comment lmao stop huffing so much copium
And cyber bullying isn't hate behaviour?
Placing a lock on flashlights like "1.5 second interval between flashlight uses" is just enough. I can't see situations in which this would be detrimental to actual gameplay.
And as I said it would happen, you just said those people shouldn't play. Why didn't you say that to PoCs getting bullied by racists? In both cases it is an absolutely embarassing argument, considering simple fixes can come from the developers' side.
But anyway, if we are on the subject of epilepsy, there are people for whom situations like bullying can cause seizures. My best friend has such a condition, she is very sensible to harassment, for she immediately has seizures in such cases.
You literally said its "just a bunch of crouching"
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I dont think I need to say anything more than that. Hypocrisy is not your ally here
It literally is though, you can't determine if crouching in a game is toxic, you can definitely determine when someone is acting racist and saying racist remarks lmao
Yet you announced the removal as a result of harassement and targetting. Dont be hypocrit and remove all forms of harassement. Its subjective, dont you know??
What if you're a PoC killer streamer that's getting targeted with teabags and macro flashlight clicks???
I'm not one who normally insults, but with the amount of absolute craziness about Bubba, has the SCP Foundation dropped a memetic IQ bomb in the algorhythm, rendering some people completely idiotic?
And now teabags are being compared to racism.... I've heard it all now. And I'll regret saying that, because guaranteed someone is gonna better this trash.
In the words of Stanley Hudson from The Office: "That's not what a hate crime is."
Teabagging is not harassment. Clicking flashlights is not harassment. It's annoying behavior, and bad manners, but it's not harassment, and it's not "cyberbullying".
To continue to compare these actions to racist in-game behavior just signifies you think your discomfort in game at someone taunting you is just as bad as ACTUAL RACIALLY MOTIVATED HATE BEHAVIOR.
Disgusting.
You're right you cant know for sure. Almost like until someone speaks up and says something you just never know what their intentions are... and yet here we are talking about very specific scenarios of racism.
When survivor toxicity is still a much bigger problem.
Except killer can also be toxic, stop with the Us vs Them mindset, it isn't even an argument discussion lmao you are just hating survivor players because something used in a racist way is gone lmaoo mad cope
I despise tbagging but I'm completely fine with removing Claudette's face. Racist slurs are much worse than just being told to go f.. yourself. This does raise two questions for me though:
(1) Why not remove just Claudette's face and add in a cosmetic with Ace's cap or Jeff's beard or something similar? Claudette's face was the most distinct so it was the most widely used by people who didn't have racist intentions. So stuff the racists, get rid of Claudette's face, but provide something that is obvious such as Ace's cap instead.
(2) Why not also beef up moderation in-game and provide a moderation system that works to prevent toxic behaviour? Nothing is stopping both from being done at the same time. The quick fix is removing Claudette's face but what is being done to stop toxic people from being toxic? A beefed up reporting and moderation system would help.
No... I dont even care about the removal of the masks. I don't even have Bubba but I wish I did because I want to get BBQ&C.
I care about problems with the game. Like toxicity, which is still a bigger problem than a mask that could possibly be racist depending on how certain people portray themselves.
A growing problem with the game that Behavior even supports... they've made comments saying dont report people for toxic comments. That is a fundamental issue. Racism is just not in the same scale or even close.
show me where they said not to report people for toxic comments, even just today the mods have said they have banned people in the past for hateful speech. You can care about toxicity and want it to be over, sweet and most feel the same, but when something that was used for it is now gone, the play isn't to say "well survivors can still crouch" Ok? both sides have bm they can do, it isn't the same as something used for racism
I think this is it here. Toxicity comes in all forms, not just hate speech against certain groups of people. Yet we are openly allowing everyone to trash talk each other like it's going to help resolve such a tremendous problem with this game.
But do take notice that even they said they already ban players for racist comments. Meaning if those players were being reported for racism they should already be banned. Not sure why this should include removing in-game content or why it's even merited, when there are other more pressing concerns with the game.
in order to ban someone for a racist comment one must first receive the racist comment. in order to ban someone for racially-targeted abuse of any kind, including harassment using the cosmetic, one must receive lots of the same racially-targeted abuse towards themselves from that person. therefore, by removing one of the tools used for the ratially-targeted harassment it causes less people to receive as much racially-targeted harassment, which is a plus.
If they were being racist and being reported then they should have already been banned. And if they make new accounts then those accounts will be reported and banned as well.
You're right, removing the problem item is one solution. That's a pretty easy choice to make and an easy mistake to make too. What else can be considered racist now? Sexist? Homophobic? Transphobic?
Do we continue this cycle of removing content from the game? Do we remove people of color from the game so that they aren't targeted for playing people of color?
Where do the easy choices stop?
instead of removing Leatherface's Mask why not just make a STREAMER MODE!!!
WOW FIXED!!!
No wait it doesnt make BHVR money so its better to remove something.
No slippery slope fallacies, please. :P
considering the time it took- this was first raised in 2018, btw- between bhvr saying they were looking into removing it (Sistas of the Fog Podcast with not_Queen is where this was mentioned) and now, then I can hardly say it was an easy decision to make, and since a lot of the content in the game can't be used in the same way i doubt we'll see much more removals (since the only other content we've lost from DBD- being the Stranger Things chapter- was almost certainly due to licensing issues).
It's already a slippery slope, or we wouldn't be here... talking about a literal in game mask that ties in with killer lore being used and abused by certain people, targeting certain players, and likely being openly racist while doing so.
Tell me what slippery slope have I gone down that we havent already seen
The one you just described.
The one I described that is an exact scenario as the one we are currently discussing...? The one that actually happened?
Let me ask you something... do you think removing a mask will prevent racism?
We are removing people of color from this game? That actually happened?
We removed in game content in favor of curbing racism?
Did we just forget that or
You said that the scenario you described actually happened. Are we removing people of color from this game now?
Yes the one we are currently talking about... the removal of in game content in favor of exonerating racism from the game. I can only assume we've done that or we wouldn't be talking about it.
You were talking about the removal of people of color from the game. That is what I am intentionally zeroing in on. Did that or did that not happen?
You're not going to win a war of words my friend... better go somewhere else for that
You did not answer my question. :P
I did but you seem to be avoiding my answer.
Quote the answer to the question I posted.
We just had this conversation so I'm going to have good faith in you to remember what I've said so far
I don't know which post is meant to be the answer because from my point of view, none of them directly answer my question. Hence why I am asking you to quote it.
That's when I told you that you weren't going to win a war of words...
Does that ring a bell?
Yes, which does not answer my question. So which one does?
both of those things are hurtful so...
It did answer your question... it may not be the answer you want, but it is an answer to your question
It does not actually answer my question. It is a quote to my post, but it is not an answer to my question. An answer to my question is either "Yes" or "No."
You simply cannot dictate the answers. You gave a question, and I answered it to the best of my ability. You simply will not win on semantics alone
I don't have to dictate any answers. A factual yes/no question by default can only be answered with yes or no, assuming that the answer is indeed known.
You dictated to me what answers you were expecting.
Yes, I am expecting the only answers that fundamentally answer the question. You are not obligated to provide that answer if you do not wish to, of course. But that doesn't mean that any other response you give actually answers the question.
Theres no single answer for any question... your expectations do not have to be met by anyone