Just The Absolute Worst Killer?
What the title says: Which Killer do you think is the worst in the game right now?
While i normally give freedom in your reason as to why you choose a certain option, this time i'd like you to choose which you think is the worst in efficiency overall.
Y'know, take into account how quickly they can end a chase, the power of their Killer Power, how easily they can find Survivors, their Add-on arsenal, their synergies with Perks, etc. etc.
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Cannibal.
He's really good at one very specific tactic.
With practically all other tactics, practically all other Killers are better.
Also, 50% of his Add-ons are copy-pasted, and 2 of them still barely do anything.
You can love Cannibal all you want, but he really needs a change.
I'm going to have to go with Legion, they may be fun to play as and I have gotten a good amount of 4ks playing as them, but their power is just probably objectively the weakest. Though that may just be my own personal experience with them.
I can get kills easier with Clown and Leatherface, but Legion I kinda struggle a bit. Yeah he can injure everyone in one go, but that requires them to be nearby to him, plus he also gets stunned for 5 seconds after using his power, and not only that but using M1 just resets your power for some reason.
I'm pretty sure that isn't a thing for Freddy, Spirit, Nurse, Doctor or other cooldown-based killers in the game.
The clown. He really can't do anything. and the little situations he is okay, there are other killer that do it a million times better
I would say Clown is the weakest Killer. At least Leatherface has an Instadown.
However, I think Leatherface is the worst. He is quite lazy designed, has only one really useful Line of Add Ons (Charge Time), his unique Add Ons are 100% useless (with the purple one even worse than the yellow one due to the penalty) and the ones he shares with Hillbilly make no sense on him (except Chargetime). Cooldown reduction is meh, Speed is useless... Things which are good on Billy are not helpful for Leatherface.
I am really looking forward to his Rework to make him a better Killer AND more important - a unique Killer.
Clown is by far the weakest killer, his power isn't impactful enough at most loops to really make him a threat. At least legion has decent tracking and can get easier injures, and Bubba has the Instadown and multi-hit potential. Although Bubba's addons are definitely worse, that isn't enough to push him to the same level as Clown. Bubba actually has synergy with perks like PWYF, clown doesn't have any aside from the basic M1 killer ones.
Clown is the only killer in the game that has no real reason to play them instead of another killer. Why would I play clown when Freddy exists? Hag is more mobile and adaptable than Trapper. Bubba has actual mindgames with the Chainsaw that Billy doesn't, Bubba's also easier to pick up and play. Oni's got the flick, Billy doesn't. Ghostface plays more stealthily than Myers. Freddy is both easier to play, more fun, AND more effective, so why would I play Clown?
In concept, Clowns power sounds great. Survivors slow down allowing hits. His power I'd negated however because survivors just drop the pallet if they're at the loop, and it's been proven that if you're not at a loop, you don't save any time by throwing a bottle.
@Acromio Just out of curiosity, why The Nurse/The Shape?
Poor CLOWN bro! The Big Belly Boi has Been Beaten and Bullied for YEARS.
He needs a full rework, the slowdown just isn't drastic enough to have an effect on most loops and sure the devs may have answered this indirectly through the map reworks we will get to see literally today in about an hour or two (as of writing), when the mid-chapter patch goes live. But this still doesn't make Clown as interesting to play
I wish, wish, wish, wish, WISH there was some more nuance to his ability but there really isn't. It's a 15% slow, survivors in the haze get dazed, can't perform fast vaults, and cough, that is literally about it that is all he has. It sucks because I love the character: his lore, his aesthetic, his theme, he has some pretty great cosmetics (especially Mr. Puddles) but I can't enjoy any of them because he's so awful. Plus he's literally a Clown, clown's are ######### creepy as fuc and if I saw that in real life I would literally be booking it in the opposite direction. There's so much to like about this character, but his power is so woefully ineffective, and the gameplay isn't unique enough to set him apart from an m1 killer that these two reasons alone dampen the entire experience. I would play him so much more if he was better than he is now
Because the Clown is one of my favorites I took the liberty of creating / putting together a few ideas because a lot of people don't know what to do with the Clown when it comes to reworks.
Solutions for Big Boi Clown
NOTES - I'm not expecting all of these to go through at the same time, if they did the Clown might be unbalanced (or maybe not, maybe he could just be a powerful, viable killer who knows) this is merely a list of proposed changes that can be made that can be picked from or chosen specifically to stand on their own or in conjunction with one or two of the others.
If I were to chose a single idea from my list, I'd have to go with #3, I feel this is legitimately the most important change that should be made to the Clown because it solves one of the most important problems he has. Lack of map pressure. As a killer with no means to move any faster or apply a large amount of damage at one time (through injuring multiple at once or instadowns), the ability to interrupt and briefly halt survivors who are healing, or repairing a generator at 90%, or cleansing an important Hex: Totem from a distance I think is an incredible idea and truly a saving grace. This allows the Clown to cross distance and close that gap without feeling hopeless that he can do nothing before he actually gets there and that his gas does nothing.
I deliberately left the reloading "solutions" for last because I think they are the most boring changes we can make to buff the Clown, and I also think they're the most well known / talked about ideas. Don't get me wrong, those changes probably would help if his core ability wasn't changed at all (meaning nothing from changes #1-3) but I think even with changing how quick the Clown reloads the core issues of his ability not having a big enough effect or impact on the survivors remains. If only the reloading / base capacity changes were made (which I think is the bare minimum of what you would want to do and this killer deserves more than the base minimum) he would still be a lower tier killer. He needs a solid rework with significant changes to be made to be both more fun and more viable, which is what solution numbers 1-3 are for.
TL;DR - Clown needs some big changes. His power has very little impact and effect on survivors who are completely unafraid to simply ignore or tank his gas clouds at face value, on top of having hardly any map pressure this means he doesn't even succeed in the chase like he is originally supposed to. If you would like to see some of my suggestions I've put them in a bulleted list and bolded them, the following paragraph explains the change, and sub points go into greater detail behind the mindset / reasoning and other pieces of extraneous information that you don't necessarily need to read to understand. The bolded title of each change should give you a rough idea of what I mean and the explanation that follows paints that picture well enough.
This comment also became way longer than I intended and because of that I'm going to copy and paste this into a new thread / discussion for people to talk about the Clown specifically.
Not only is Clown's power of limited usefulness; he's also the only Killer that is as annoying to face as they are to play.
He's easily just the absolute worst.
The Clown / The Spirit. These should not have been put together because The Spirit is OP.
Trust me I want my legion buffed but come on man with Freddy's rework clowns bottles were a joke and Freddy had similar to that plus more. His 115% speed would be fine if he didn’t slow down when throwing a bottle where Freddy has no slowdown putting up his traps and can have more traps down at a time than clown. Maybe the cloud from the clown could cause survivors FOV to shrink for a time for better reliable mind games at pallets along with slowdown to actually have it matter. The addons other than exhaust don’t mean anything even with a high visual effect the pink clouds are so opaque you can tell exactly where clown is.
Clicked the wrong option?
Oh no, nevermind, you meant something else.
Anyway, i put them in the order of their release days.
And Trapper has his own cause he's the icon.
Man, clown is taking a beating in here tonight. I have to say Legion, they could remove the whole chapter and I would be fine, perks, Jeff, ski lodge the whole kit and kaboodle. I hate the mending and healing, that all matches take 7 hours (maybe closer to 20-30 min) and everytime you get mended bam here that bro is again. Ugghh I hate it so much.
Legion without a shadow of a doubt. Their power almost works against them most of the time. Clown and Bubba are bad, but at least their power helps them get kills. Legion's Frenzy typically just lets survivors get a huge speed boost, then they eat a 5 second stun, then they can chase them with M1. It's literally the worst killer in the game.
I think it's a the Pig. Just a walking killer, like a trapper without traps. Before nerf traps with EGC, it was not so bad and represented a certain danger at the endgame, but not now.
About mr. Сlown. I am a main Clown and please don't need to change his power. I love him throwing bottles. He counters palletloop very well. Just need to learn more, to be able to throw bottles correctly, I spent a lot of time on this and I know how to do this in order to get a hit in many situations. Maybe he needs a some buff, but not change power. He is similar to the Doctor, but does not have a blast for detection and does not slow down the game to reset madness. It worst. But in chase there are some situations where he is better than a Doctor (sometimes and vice versa).
>The addons other than exhaust don’t mean anything even with a high visual effect the pink clouds are so opaque you can tell exactly where clown is.
Dude, really? I think you played a little for him, if you say so.
Low/Mid tier addons.
Robin and Starling Feather. Eliminate slowdown when throwing bottles, giving to get closer faster. They also allow you to quickly throw a lot of bottles around the pallet, so the survivor will run around it slowly and poorly seeing, which will give a high chance of a hit.
Thick Cork Stopper & Fingerless Parade Gloves. They allow you to save a lot of time by accelerating the recharge, with two at once this can be done directly in chase.
Ether 5 Vol%. A little longer is the poisoning time, which allows you to get closer faster. Even this addon can be enough to give a hit where the survivor without addon would have jumped out the window.
Smelly Inner Soles & VHS Porn. Allows recharging in chase, saving time. Little useful.
Sticky Soda Bottle. An extra bottle allows you to throw more in one chase before reloading, which may be crucial to complete the chase. Or, if you put survivor quickly, go for the next one without recharging. Cheap Gin Bottle - stronger analogue.
Solvent Jug. Everything is simple here, just counters the acceleration perks.
Kerosene Can. The most useless, 30 seconds is too short for at least some significant benefit in most situations.
Sulphuric Acid Vial. An analogue of a sloppy butcher to slow down healing. Need try to throw at the wounded, before the hit or after, especially if you stop chasing him.
Mid/high tier addons.
Bottle Of Chloroform. It makes the gas cloud larger, allowing you to cover a large area around the pallets, there by increasing the chances of slowing down the survivor and causing a hit. Also, when throwing in front of him, while reducing the distance, the survivor will have to run through the cloud longer, which will slow him down more.
Ether 10 Vol% & Ether 15 Vol%. Slowing much longer, greatly simplifying and shortening the chase. If you aptly throw bottles, survivor will not run far from you.
Flask of Bleach. One of the best. Slows down the running speed even more, which helps with palletloops.
Garish Make-up Kit. Two green addons in one - Bottle Of Chloroform and Ether 10 Vol%.
Cigar Box. Weaker analogue Bottle Of Chloroform, but blurred vision more. Need more information on the effectiveness of this addon, I think it's not bad in combination with another average. If you make the survivor be in the cloud, this disorientates him more.
Tattoo's Middle Finger. Good for mindgames and trick with survivors when they don't see you (for example, behind a wall). Better combined with addons for a larger cloud of gas.
Redhead's Pinky Finger. One hit addon. Difficult to implement, but the result is worth it. It's better to combine with a large number of bottles, or a quick reload, or Flask of Bleach (it will be easier to hit directly by a bottle), or Starling Feather (will give instantly time to hit after a throw, for example, right before the survivor jumps out the window) or hard Ether (will make build more versatile).
I like the fact that Wraith hasn't been voted for yet.
Thanks, Tru3. 😜
bubba is the worse killer in the game in my opinion the way i judge killers to determine if they are strong or weak is by playing the killer with no add-ons but running any perks i want since add-ons like huntress insta down hatchets are really strong but to judge her off of her strongest add-ons is a bad idea since that would mean most killers in the game are over powered. but instead when i look at huntress without her insta downs she looks like a normal balanced killer which is what i am looking for.
so when i play bubba without add-ons and only perks this is what happens. i try to use my power on a survivor but then they have a window or pallet in order to make me not hit them and either break the pallet of hit the window causing a tantrum. or my power breaks and cancels it's self even though on my end is shows as fully charged which shows how bad his controls are for something like that to happen. then when i finally have the survivor in the middle of the map with no defenses and try to use my power i hit air and go into a tantrum. then 4 gens pop so i am forced to basic attack twice. but now i can use bubbas greatest strength face camp since i cant really do any anything else.
now that situation i just made up is a list of things that happen when playing bubba this killer has so many issues that if you are unlucky enough, you could encounter all of said issues and lose the game because of it. now when i play clown or legion i dont have half the issues with them when playing as these two killers in fact when i play clown or legion they actually are very good and allow me to win games pretty easily. this is because their powers both have a common purpose or use which is to end chases quickly. i have found that in order to play legion most effectively i should hit a survivor with my power then if someones near by go for them if not then run up to the survivor i just stabbed and get as close as possible then cancel the power so that they get very little distance and can go down easy. but sometimes i down them faster then that since i usually use brutal strength, fired up, enduring, and spirit fury on him i can sometimes hit a survivor and they will drop the pallet on me so that i can instantly follow up with a hit and down them which if you haven't tried i heavily recommend because of how fun it is.
also i noticed someone said that if clown throws a bottle at a survivor running in a direct path then the bottles slow will not be effective enough to catch the survivor quicker or something like that but when i play clown i throw my bottles at survivors running directly and catch up a lot quicker even to the point were they barley have any time to react. also since clown is so good at anti loop since his power is like Freddy's but with a bigger area of effect he can catch lots of survivors at loops that are normally really strong like killer shack or if you dont catch them you force a pallet out of them. which sometimes is better because once you remove most of the pallets in the game it only get easier for you to catch them since a survivor with out defenses is like a bubba with out a sledge hammer. it's what makes clown great the ability to make survivors waste all the pallets.
for one final note if you do want to play bubba i recommended using anti chase perks like brutal strength, fired up, enduring, and spirit fury it makes a killer who is trash actually have something in order to attack the survivors other wise if you use any other perks that are not like these to slow down the game like ruin or dying light you will lose against decent survivors since base bubba has nothing to offer.
TL;DR;CR: bubba bad. clown good. legion good.
So I play PS4 thus my answer is guaranteed to be a minority here.
Nurse.
While she may be incredibly powerful if you pump time into learning and playing nothing but Nurse on PS4, the fact that you are fighting against controller sensitivity (haven't played with updated sensitivity from patch yet) terrible frame rate, maps that see random performance drops, countless bugs that plague the Nurse every patch, etc etc.
Its the reason you see maybe 1 Nurse every 200 games on console and the ones you do see are often the sad lot who thought a quick Nurse daily wouldn't break them emotionally.
The Clown / The Spirit
Definitely clown his power just kinda sucks