Dramatic but this is how I feel now...
@Almo @Peanits @not_Queen @MandyTalk @Gay Myers (Luzi) (Community Managers, Rely this to the Devs. Not blaming the community managers at all. Just tell the Devs what they have done.)
I can't believe you did it. Good job. You have successfully made me lose all faith in BHVR and any hope that you listened to your community. All of this feed back and what do we get? The Deep Wound Changes... the Legion getting all that taken from them with just some movement speed to try and make up for it... even the Oni nerf in a small way, since you gave him no time to settle in like you said you would. Giving Legion the movement speed while removing all threat of Deep Wound... what? It's like you are giving us maggots to eat and expecting us to be happy cause "At least it's something." Are we supposed to be happy about the movement speed cause "At least it's something"? All these "Buffs" are just nerfs you slapped on Legion for no reason and are reverting. The Add-on changes are negligible.
Survivors can get hit with Feral Frenzy and just run around. Something that is supposed to be them bleeding out from a wound deep enough they have to put pressure on it to stop the bleeding... and they can run around no problem. Survivors run around anyway in matches so this is literally harmless, it's basically a free health state. You didn't even reduce Deep Wound Timer, You didn't even revert the reduction to mend times... You made Legion even weaker, cause none of you know how to handle their power or the Deep Wound mechanic which was flawed to begin with. You couldn't just replace Deep Wound. No, you just made Legion's power literally a punishment to ever use. You made walking after people and M1ing the best strategy.
So yea.... You did it. You made me give up. You killed The Fanatical Legion Main. Congratulations. I no longer want to play. I no longer want to support this game at all.
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Same goes for nurse
Yeah... same.
Yeah I'm trying to help keep them alive through the massive bugs the new update brought out.
What good does a feature that encourages lobby dodging do? Just because it is popular doesn’t mean it is healthy for the game.
Oh yeah... I saw that. Made me sad.
Yeah I was in that thread when it was posted, my mind broke a little when I read that.
Is it better to force purple ranks to play with grey ranks? You seem to just have zero foresight as to why people want the feature back
The timer from Deep Wounds is longer than opening a exit gate. You can literally open a exit gate while you have Deep Wounds and you won't go down from it, unless the timer was already at half when you started to open the exit gate. So yeah, Deep Wounds is even more useless now.
and now it broke worse. Reality will break before Legion gets love or help it feels like.
Don't forget you can happily run to the exit gate with no issue now.
Actually yeah it is. Rank shouldn't even be a thing since it does nothing mechanically. It gives no rewards, it gives no bonus. A rankless system that just pairs people together makes for a more casual and fun experience overall.
You know.. playing with people that is not around your rank is not fun for every players in that match.
Also, it served as a manual matchmaking when the matchmaking went wrong.
Sounds about right. Its weird though, I still have some hope (or maybe an addiction), because I'm still on these forums trying to get things changed.
I've lost faith completely. I hope I am wrong and that Legion gets the help/rework they need... but I don't see it happening. I'm still here too.
Sure, you can run to the Exit Gates freely, that is why I don't like how it pauses.
They should've make DW distance based, and made survivors unable to see their DW timer. 🤗😁
They should also let the killer see the timer because it's not like the timer accurately gives away the survivor's position either.
However, I feel like y'all aren't giving BHVR enough credit because they did buff frenzy speed, increased vault speed, and made the pin add-ons a little better. Most of these changes are not add-on related, so this is making him just a little less add-on reliant in the long run. 😁
I’ve seen several grey ranks preform better than purple ranks. Those players are also usually in swf anyway.I had absolutely no problem playing with people from lower ranks than me while we could see ranks.
I need to be clearer at times...my mistake
You went to peanits stream. Peanits is not a dev, I believe peanits is a community manager. I also didn't mean the dev streams bhvr does when talking about new chapters and stuff...again, I should clarify more.
The "buff" was a reverted nerf. All of the other nerfs are still there with more piled on. Legion's power is more of a punishment to Legion than it is to survivors. So no, I'm not gonna be happy cause "At least it's something." They need to just remove Deep Wounds from Legion and give them something else. The whole power was flawed from the start and it's too insane to balance around. It's that simple. Remove Deep Wounds from Legion and Buff/Rework them (a Freddy style rework.)
I have no problem with playing with people at different ranks. Rank hardly means anything anyway.
Yes. I was commenting on the thread that was posted in. I asked him about it, got that as a response and then dropped talking about it as soon as he said he wasn't at work, as I don't want to bug him on his off day. I can't help what he said to my questions, and how it made me feel even more strongly that BHVR doesn't care. I asked "Have you seen all the threads talking about Legion being worse now?" and "Did you see my thread? Alot of people have commented in it." And that was it. I know you aren't trying to make me look bad or anything, but that's the 100% truth. That's not "Harassing" or "Abusing." it's asking a company for answers, as a customer.
I'm anal about things but not anal about things...in this instance i'm not trying to be an ass but I still may come off as an ass...ppl love/hate me in meetings....
naw. Just clarifying the intent and all. You are fine.
But that already happened, unless you were in chase with someone right next to the gen their bar went down. Now you can run across the map, go for a save, and then get healed in 8 seconds. Not to mention if the Legion hits someone else in frenzy that person who didn't bother mending won't even be seen by killer instinct. It's not a positive change for Legion whatsoever. If someone is about to pop a gen and they get hit with the frenzy it's not like they have to stop immediately, they have 30 seconds to do gens/heal/open a gate.
Yes, rank hardly matters but it becomes a problem when people who just bought the game join your red rank matches. Basically a 3v1 match.
That can happen even with only red rank players.
Was told to also post this here, so here it goes :
While the reverted nerfs are welcome on Legion , the deep wound nerf makes Legion even more of a joke . The main problem right now is that there is no difference for Legion between chasing an injured survivor, or chasing a survivor with deep wound on. the power itself serves no purpose in the chase once the survivor is not healthy. In SOME cases , sometimes you will inflict deep wound on an injured survivor for the detection ability, but this is rare, usually you will, like all killers, want to chase down the person you inflicted deep wound on , especially if killer instinct is not revealing anyone near. then you have to stun yourself for 4 seconds (3 seconds base was fine btw) before starting the chase again. And like I said, once the chase restarts there is no difference for Legion between chasing an injured survivor and a survivor with deep wound active. You just have to be a m1 killer (albeit one with a 4 second stun between the first hit and being able to chase again) and eat every pallet, every vault like a m1 killer, which is NOT fun.
If you at BHVR hate the deep wound mechanic on Legion, I do agree it could be replaced with a debuff, and I'll even be more precise : it should be replaced by a debuff that MATTERS in a chase, such that Legion has incentive to use his power on injured survivors , which is NOT the case right now , right now if you stab an injured survivor with deep wound and nothing shows up in killer istinct, congratulations you just offered the survivor 4 seconds of free distance from you, because you have to stun yourself for those 4 whole seconds to restart the chase and actually be threatening to the survivor now. (and IF you want to go stab someone else ? Then the survivor you were chasing wins the chase, and you just gave up a lot of time for maybe another chase where this will happen all over again) Deep Wound right now is not a threat, which makes no sense for the killer. You have to suffer some kind of penalty that matters in a chase if you have deep wound, else why even bother with it once survivors start to work on gens while injured ?
On the subject of add-ons now :
I hope someone from BHVR read this post to the end, and if you could tell me that I did not write this huge wall of text for nothing , even a simple "I read this post" would be really nice to me. I'm really hoping this helps.
First of all i would say you are right for complaining about this
Legion is the only killer i p3ed and seeing them like this is painfull
Do realise that this is obviously not the final change to the legion
Their focus was on Oni and all the new stuff so they just did some quick tweaking to the Legion
DW being changed made sense, not saying it's a good change, but it made sense, it will be really hard to cheese now
The FF no longer counting as basic attacks seems weird but maybe this was just a prevention tweak because the next chapter has a perk that would be problematic with it, or maybe they found something the community hasen't yet
Most likely i think their was a bug with it and they just disabled it for now so they get more time to fix the bug
All in all i think the atrocious Legion changes come from a lack of time rather then what they think is best for the character
I feel they should start making the time between chapters 4 months, 3 months is clearly not enough time as seen with the basement bug and everything
When is the stream when they read out the questions anyway? I saw a couple for legion and bringing ranks back (theyll probably avoid them) but im hoping they at least answer.
You are not wrong.
You have more faith then me at this point. I hope you are right.
No it isn't at all, ranks do matter because it shows the growth of a player in how they consistently play the game, making no ranks and mashing everyone together would have baby killers with sweaty swf's and baby survivors with ultra slowdown meta killers... how do you think that would go? As expected when you pair purple ranks with grey ranks... this seems to be more of a mechanical problem with their current system than anything else.
Us - gives decent ideas to make Legion better
BHVR - Nerfs deep wounds, and returned old legion.
Us -
Yeah... I had those threads and all, I thought putting it all together would help them see it.